Oh dear, all change again. I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see if
anyone can see me?

Kosmo

On 25/03/2024 15:06, Kosmo wrote:
> Oh dear, all change again.  I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see if
> anyone can see me?
>
> Kosmo
<waves languidly>

On 25.3.24 15:29, BrritSki wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 15:06, Kosmo wrote:
>> Oh dear, all change again.  I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see
>> if anyone can see me?
>>
>> Kosmo
> <waves languidly>
>

Ah I just hope that the rest of the transition goes as well!

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> Oh dear, all change again. I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see if
> anyone can see me?
>
> Kosmo
>

But that is a river innit?

--
Toodle Pip, Mike McMillan

In message <uts3ug$15chm$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:06:56,
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>Oh dear, all change again. I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see if
>anyone can see me?
>
>Kosmo

(Obviously I can.) Who have you gone to/with?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By most scientific estimates sustained, useful fusion is ten years in
the future - and will be ten years in the future for the next fifty
years or more. - "Hamadryad", ~2016-4-4

On 25/03/2024 17:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <uts3ug$15chm$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024 15:06:56,
> Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>> Oh dear, all change again.  I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see
>> if anyone can see me?
>>
>> Kosmo
>
> (Obviously I can.) Who have you gone to/with?

If I read the headers correctly he's moved to eternal-september as his
nntp host having previously used giganews through PlusNet.

john

In message <utscbu$17g95$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:30:38,
john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>On 25/03/2024 17:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <uts3ug$15chm$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024
>>15:06:56, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>> Oh dear, all change again.  I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see
>>>if anyone can see me?
>>>
>>> Kosmo
>> (Obviously I can.) Who have you gone to/with?
>
>If I read the headers correctly he's moved to eternal-september as his
>nntp host having previously used giganews through PlusNet.
>
>john

Ah, I took it to mean he was leaving PlusNet as broadband supplier, not
just usenet provider.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

By most scientific estimates sustained, useful fusion is ten years in
the future - and will be ten years in the future for the next fifty
years or more. - "Hamadryad", ~2016-4-4

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:39:07 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> In message <utscbu$17g95$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:30:38,
> john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>>On 25/03/2024 17:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> In message <uts3ug$15chm$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024
>>>15:06:56, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>>> Oh dear, all change again.  I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see
>>>>if anyone can see me?
>>>>
>>>> Kosmo
>>> (Obviously I can.) Who have you gone to/with?
>>
>>If I read the headers correctly he's moved to eternal-september as his
>>nntp host having previously used giganews through PlusNet.
>
> Ah, I took it to mean he was leaving PlusNet as broadband supplier, not
> just usenet provider.

I took it to mean both, but as you can't have one without the other some
preparation is possible and precautionary.

--
Jim <http://www.jim-easterbrook.me.uk/>
1959/1985? M B+ G+ A L- I- S- P-- CH0(p) Ar++ T+ H0 Q--- Sh0

It's IPL season so no serious Tests going on. A not-serious one that
ended three days ago ended with Sri Lanka giving Bangladesh a serious
shellacking.

Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes:

> Oh dear, all change again. I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see
> if anyone can see me?

Oh, I see! Loud and clear, MOPMOB, loud and clear.

Rosie

On 25.3.24 17:30, john ashby wrote:
> On 25/03/2024 17:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <uts3ug$15chm$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024
>> 15:06:56, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>> Oh dear, all change again.  I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see
>>> if anyone can see me?
>>>
>>> Kosmo
>>
>> (Obviously I can.) Who have you gone to/with?
>
> If I read the headers correctly he's moved to eternal-september as his
> nntp host having previously used giganews through PlusNet.
>
> john

True as far as usenet goes.

The aim is to replace Plusnet with Zzoomm who have a termination box at
the edge of the pavement and are offering speeds more than 10 times faster.

As far as I can tell they do not provide anything much apart from the
connection so I have to replace Plusnet for usenet, I have to find a way
of authenticating smtp for sending emails, I have to investigate VOIP to
replace the landline and anything else which Plusnet does which I have
forgotten about.

I do not use Plusnet for emails (apart from authenticating smtp) as I
already have my own domain.

But there is bound to be something else I cannot remember.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 25.3.24 18:33, Jim Easterbrook wrote:
> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:39:07 +0000, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> In message <utscbu$17g95$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024 17:30:38,
>> john ashby <johnashby20@yahoo.com> writes
>>> On 25/03/2024 17:20, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>>> In message <uts3ug$15chm$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024
>>>> 15:06:56, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>>>>> Oh dear, all change again.  I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see
>>>>> if anyone can see me?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kosmo
>>>> (Obviously I can.) Who have you gone to/with?
>>>
>>> If I read the headers correctly he's moved to eternal-september as his
>>> nntp host having previously used giganews through PlusNet.
>>
>> Ah, I took it to mean he was leaving PlusNet as broadband supplier, not
>> just usenet provider.
>
> I took it to mean both, but as you can't have one without the other some
> preparation is possible and precautionary.
>

Precisely. This was the first tiny step on what will probably be a
convoluted road (see other post).

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 25.3.24 19:49, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
> It's IPL season so no serious Tests going on. A not-serious one that
> ended three days ago ended with Sri Lanka giving Bangladesh a serious
> shellacking.

Once upon a time I used to be interested in cricket but the last 50
years has seen the interest dwindle. I am not sure why - but having
been so keen on cricket my father took me to some Hampshire matches - my
interests in recent years turned to football. I now think it is because
I have a much shorter attention span.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 23:29:04 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

>On 25.3.24 19:49, Rosie Mitchell wrote:
>> It's IPL season so no serious Tests going on. A not-serious one that
>> ended three days ago ended with Sri Lanka giving Bangladesh a serious
>> shellacking.
>
>Once upon a time I used to be interested in cricket but the last 50
>years has seen the interest dwindle. I am not sure why - but having
>been so keen on cricket my father took me to some Hampshire matches - my
>interests in recent years turned to football. I now think it is because
>I have a much shorter attention span.

It was the Indian Betting Scandal that did it for me and I never
really recovered my interest after that. All those afternoons on the
edge of my seat, just willing those few extra runs/wickets. All those
sleepless nights when play was on the other side of the world.

Then to discover that results had been stage managed to the benefit of
a betting syndicate....

Nick

In message <utt169$1cftf$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 25 Mar 2024 23:26:01,
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
[]
>The aim is to replace Plusnet with Zzoomm who have a termination box at
>the edge of the pavement and are offering speeds more than 10 times
>faster.

(I'm happy with my speed, but certainly don't have any option like that
anyway.)
>
>As far as I can tell they do not provide anything much apart from the
>connection so I have to replace Plusnet for usenet, I have to find a
>way of authenticating smtp for sending emails, I have to investigate
>VOIP to replace the landline and anything else which Plusnet does which
>I have forgotten about.
>
>I do not use Plusnet for emails (apart from authenticating smtp) as I
>already have my own domain.

Your hosting provider may well have - or offer - mail facilities.
Presumably you have them forward them all to somewhere (PlusNet? Gmail?)
as otherwise you wouldn't get emails sent to whitnet.uk .
>
>But there is bound to be something else I cannot remember.
>
Until too late )-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

We're just collections of atoms that can think
- Professor Brian Cox, RT 2021/10/23-29

On 26.3.24 02:53, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Your hosting provider may well have - or offer - mail facilities.
> Presumably you have them forward them all to somewhere (PlusNet? Gmail?)
> as otherwise you wouldn't get emails sent to whitnet.uk .

My domain mail record points at the server hosting whitnet.uk so they go
nowhere near Plusnet on the inward journey. It is the outward journey
which is more difficult.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

In message <utu02q$1mok0$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 26 Mar 2024 08:13:13,
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 26.3.24 02:53, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Your hosting provider may well have - or offer - mail facilities.
>>Presumably you have them forward them all to somewhere (PlusNet?
>>Gmail?) as otherwise you wouldn't get emails sent to whitnet.uk .
>
>My domain mail record points at the server hosting whitnet.uk so they
>go nowhere near Plusnet on the inward journey. It is the outward
>journey which is more difficult.
>
Ah yes. The server relay.plus.net seems very forgiving: I can use it
when not connected via a PlusNet connection, and with any From: header
(at least, I've used <assorted>@255soft.uk). Does not either your
hosting provider or your new broadband provider provide an outgoing mail
server?

Note that you'll probably need to add the new server to a configuration
at your hosting supplier (krystal in my case) to keep gmail happy; I was
getting bounces, but only for emails I was sending to people with gmail
addresses (and those only some of the time, which is why I initially
assumed it was something about the content; PlusNet's email
subcontractor do bounce some things based on content, which is
irritating), because the bounce message was similar (I think it said
"suspected spam" or the like). Eventually I worked out - with the help
of others - that it was gmail's incoming email server that was doing the
bouncing; apparently it occasionally checks with the configuration
settings at <host> when it receives emails from <address>@<host> that
they're allowed to come via <relay>. I've got details if you need them.
You've probably already done this, come to think of it, as you'll be
sending via relay.plus.net at the moment, same as me (note that what has
to be added to the configuration setting is not relay.plus.net but
something similar).
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The thing about smut is it harms no one and it's rarely cruel. Besides, it's a
gleeful rejection of the dreary and the "correct".
- Alison Graham, RT 2014/10/25-31

On 26.3.24 10:43, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <utu02q$1mok0$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 26 Mar 2024 08:13:13,
> Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>> On 26.3.24 02:53, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>>> Your hosting provider may well have - or offer - mail facilities.
>>> Presumably you have them forward them all to somewhere (PlusNet?
>>> Gmail?)  as otherwise you wouldn't get emails sent to whitnet.uk .
>>
>> My domain mail record points at the server hosting whitnet.uk so they
>> go nowhere near Plusnet on the inward journey.  It is the outward
>> journey which is more difficult.
>>
> Ah yes. The server relay.plus.net seems very forgiving: I can use it
> when not connected via a PlusNet connection, and with any From: header
> (at least, I've used <assorted>@255soft.uk). Does not either your
> hosting provider or your new broadband provider provide an outgoing mail
> server?
>
> Note that you'll probably need to add the new server to a configuration
> at your hosting supplier (krystal in my case) to keep gmail happy; I was
> getting bounces, but only for emails I was sending to people with gmail
> addresses (and those only some of the time, which is why I initially
> assumed it was something about the content; PlusNet's email
> subcontractor do bounce some things based on content, which is
> irritating), because the bounce message was similar (I think it said
> "suspected spam" or the like). Eventually I worked out - with the help
> of others - that it was gmail's incoming email server that was doing the
> bouncing; apparently it occasionally checks with the configuration
> settings at <host> when it receives emails from <address>@<host> that
> they're allowed to come via <relay>. I've got details if you need them.
> You've probably already done this, come to think of it, as you'll be
> sending via relay.plus.net at the moment, same as me (note that what has
> to be added to the configuration setting is not relay.plus.net but
> something similar).

gmail (and yahoo I believe) have recently implemented yet another round
of protective settings to enable their users to receive emails - it is
an ongoing battle to keep up. I know that it was a pain for a while as
I have one (irregular) correspondent and I was getting my first email
bounced every time I sent one - but if I resent it gmail accepted it.
Eventually I tracked it down to these extra settings.

As far as I can tell Zzoomm do not have an email service - they simply
provide a connection. So a very basic ISP service.
--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

In message <uu0qdd$2p40s$1@dont-email.me> at Wed, 27 Mar 2024 09:54:56,
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
[]
>gmail (and yahoo I believe) have recently implemented yet another round
>of protective settings to enable their users to receive emails - it is
>an ongoing battle to keep up. I know that it was a pain for a while as
>I have one (irregular) correspondent and I was getting my first email
>bounced every time I sent one - but if I resent it gmail accepted it.
>Eventually I tracked it down to these extra settings.

Hmm. I didn't pin it down to "first one bounced, subsequent OK" -
probably as I tried to tweak them, so didn't just re-send.
>
>As far as I can tell Zzoomm do not have an email service - they simply
>provide a connection. So a very basic ISP service.

I fear that's the way many ISPs are going - certainly email is something
most have ditched for new users, expecting them to go gmail.

Don't the people who host whitnet.uk for you offer an email provision?
Krystal do for me, though I've never used the outgoing part and have the
incoming all just redirected (to PlusNet at the moment). When I joined
them, it was a shared amount - I think 500M then (I took their lowest
provision, amethyst) - that was shared between website and email; since
my website was only my old Demon one (originally 5 IIRR, then 25 MB!),
and I have all email forwarded anyway, that was more than enough. (The
arrangement may have changed - and the amount, almost certainly
increased - since I joined them; what doesn't break, I usually don't
fix.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"You _are_ Zaphod Beeblebrox? _The_ Zaphod Beeblebrox?"
"No, just _a_ Zaphod Beeblebrox. I come in six-packs." (from the link episode)

On 27.3.24 11:53, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Don't the people who host whitnet.uk for you offer an email provision?
> Krystal do for me, though I've never used the outgoing part and have the
> incoming all just redirected (to PlusNet at the moment). When I joined
> them, it was a shared amount - I think 500M then (I took their lowest
> provision, amethyst) - that was shared between website and email; since
> my website was only my old Demon one (originally 5 IIRR, then 25 MB!),
> and I have all email forwarded anyway, that was more than enough. (The
> arrangement may have changed - and the amount, almost certainly
> increased - since I joined them; what doesn't break, I usually don't fix.)

namesco host whitnet and handle incoming mail but want to charge a
proverbial arm and a leg for authenticating outgoing mail. I nearly
moved from them (possibly to Krystal) when the last renewal bill landed
but it was a busy period and I did not want the additional workload
between receiving the renewal notice and expiry date and you must never
interrupt the wife's email service as you will never hear the last of
it. I do not know now if Krystal charge for authenticating smtp - but
need to ensure I have the time to make a web move next time around.

Also talking of the good lady wife does anyone understand passports? I
spent a good hour this morning trying to explain the difference between
the expiry of the 10 years since issue and the expiry date on her
passport and the rules for different countries - but I am sure she
simply does not believe me. Why have they made it so complicated?

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 27/03/2024 12:49, Kosmo wrote:
> On 27.3.24 11:53, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Don't the people who host whitnet.uk for you offer an email provision?
>> Krystal do for me, though I've never used the outgoing part and have
>> the incoming all just redirected (to PlusNet at the moment). When I
>> joined them, it was a shared amount - I think 500M then (I took their
>> lowest provision, amethyst) - that was shared between website and
>> email; since my website was only my old Demon one (originally 5 IIRR,
>> then 25 MB!), and I have all email forwarded anyway, that was more
>> than enough. (The arrangement may have changed - and the amount,
>> almost certainly increased - since I joined them; what doesn't break,
>> I usually don't fix.)
>
> namesco host whitnet and handle incoming mail but want to charge a
> proverbial arm and a leg for authenticating outgoing mail.  I nearly
> moved from them (possibly to Krystal) when the last renewal bill landed
> but it was a busy period and I did not want the additional workload
> between receiving the renewal notice and expiry date and you must never
> interrupt the wife's email service as you will never hear the last of
> it.  I do not know now if Krystal charge for authenticating smtp - but
> need to ensure I have the time to make a web move next time around.

I really don't understand what benefits all this gives you. I have been
using Gmail for over 20 years now and have access to all the emails I
wanted to keep, from any device that is linked to the web, anywhere. It
has good spam filters and I have setup rules to automatically intercept
any particular emails that I either delete immediately or archive before
I read them. Other emails are automatically labelled according to my
rules. I can change internet providers seamlessly.
>
> Also talking of the good lady wife does anyone understand passports?  I
> spent a good hour this morning trying to explain the difference between
> the expiry of the 10 years since issue and the expiry date on her
> passport and the rules for different countries - but I am sure she
> simply does not believe me.  Why have they made it so complicated?
>
I think this is an EU rule rather than a British one (BIMBAM). It is
needed according to them because if I travel tomorrow to e.g. France on
a passport with only a few days validity left on it, I could stay for
180 days at which point the passport is long out of date. Why that makes
any difference to the EU is beyond anyone's comprehension as they will
still know the date of entry from the stamp in it and can stamp it again
to show you have left.

On 27.3.24 13:05, BrritSki wrote:
> I really don't understand what benefits all this gives you. I have been
> using Gmail

Personal choice. I have a gmail account for various historic reasons
but for about 10 years or so have had my own domain and used the email
resource it provides - and also use it for the good lady wife. But each
to their own and most of the time it does not require much attention.

The passport rules are complex because different countries take a
different view of expiry dates and the last time around for reasons long
forgotten (I think the passport office delays were high) we renewed
early so will lose a huge chunk of extra months for which we have paid.
(Tight old retired scrooges who have to have a passport to vote).

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:26:43 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:

<snip>
>(Tight old retired scrooges who have to have a passport to vote).

This tight old retired Scrooge has had a postal vote for several years
now and has never been asked to produce a passport.

Nick

On 27-Mar-24 17:47, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:26:43 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> (Tight old retired scrooges who have to have a passport to vote).
>
> This tight old retired Scrooge has had a postal vote for several years
> now and has never been asked to produce a passport.

LW

We had asked for a postal vote simply for the duration of covid[1], but
when we received the paperwork it was a permanent arrangement.
Now that the "Who are you? Prove it." rules have been put in place, I'm
happy to stay with a postal vote.

[1] IIRC there was an option to have a postal vote for a limited period
of time - but maybe that caused them too much paperwork, so they ignored
that part.

--
Sam Plusnet

In message <l6ijrsFaekoU1@mid.individual.net> at Wed, 27 Mar 2024
13:05:00, BrritSki <rtilburyTAKEOUT@gmail.com> writes
>On 27/03/2024 12:49, Kosmo wrote:
[]
>> Also talking of the good lady wife does anyone understand
>>passports?  I spent a good hour this morning trying to explain the
>>difference between the expiry of the 10 years since issue and the
>>expiry date on her passport and the rules for different countries -
>>but I am sure she simply does not believe me.  Why have they made it
>>so complicated?
>>
>I think this is an EU rule rather than a British one (BIMBAM). It is
>needed according to them because if I travel tomorrow to e.g. France on
>a passport with only a few days validity left on it, I could stay for
>180 days at which point the passport is long out of date. Why that
>makes any difference to the EU is beyond anyone's comprehension as they
>will still know the date of entry from the stamp in it and can stamp it
>again to show you have left.
>
There are two aspects: the
we-won't-let-you-in-if-you-have-less-time-left-than-your-proposed-leave-date
(plus maybe something), which applies regardless of when your passport
was issued, and the one that has got a lot of publicity today. The
latter one is - AIUI - that passports last ten (or whatever it is - ten
I think) years from the date of issue, and this is internationally
agreed, but before some point in 2018, the British authorities allowed
you to carry over up to nine months from an old one (much like the one
month you can get on the MOT for a car), meaning if you have a passport
issued before that date, it could show an expiry date up to 10y9m from
the date of issue (also shown on it) - which some other countries are
now not accepting. (I _think_ that means it currently only applies to
ones issued 2013/2014, but will roll on until 2028.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

We're not poor, we just don't have any money.
- Brenda Blethyn's mother quoted in RT 2021/8/28-9/3

On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:47:14 +0000, Nick Odell wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:26:43 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>(Tight old retired scrooges who have to have a passport to vote).
>
> This tight old retired Scrooge has had a postal vote for several years
> now and has never been asked to produce a passport.
>
My LA's recent communication about the London Mayoral election has a long
list of qualifying photo documents, which includes the like of Freedom Pass
and Oyster 60+ card. Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence) as long as
the photo is a good likeness. I've not seen any other demander being
that permissive.