On 27/03/2024 21:22, Iain Archer wrote:
> My LA's recent communication about the London Mayoral election has a long
> list of qualifying photo documents, which includes the like of Freedom Pass
> and Oyster 60+ card. Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
> outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence) as long as
> the photo is a good likeness. I've not seen any other demander being
> that permissive.

Certainly not the NHS!

I have been making good use of the My Health Online (Wales version) for
some time to order prescriptions, check on appointments, etc. Recently
it was announced that MHOL was being shut down and one had to use an NHS
App. I tried to get the App but discovered that I needed to provide
photo ID. I think there were 3 acceptable forms of photo ID, none of
which I have. Then I found a section saying "if you don't have photo ID
...." but this turned out to provide a solution that was only available
if one's GP was in England

I went round and round the website in ever decreasing circles trying to
find out what I could do. Help was no help at all and there was no
"Contact us" so I gave up. Then I picked up a new prescription which
had a page on the front saying "We're now live on the NHS app ..." and
providing URLs for logging on and for "further help." The latter turned
out to be marginally helpful because it basically said "if you don't
have photo ID - tough! We can't do anything about that just now but
we're working on it."

Might it not be a good idea of they had worked on it *before* closing
the website?
--
Jenny M Benson
Wrexham, UK

On 28-Mar-24 0:08, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> On 27/03/2024 21:22, Iain Archer wrote:
>> My LA's recent communication about the London Mayoral election has a long
>> list of qualifying photo documents, which includes the like of Freedom
>> Pass
>> and Oyster 60+ card.  Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
>> outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence)  as
>> long as
>> the photo is a good likeness.  I've not seen any other demander being
>> that permissive.
>
> Certainly not the NHS!
>
> I have been making good use of the My Health Online (Wales version) for
> some time to order prescriptions, check on appointments, etc.  Recently
> it was announced that MHOL was being shut down and one had to use an NHS
> App.  I tried to get the App but discovered that I needed to provide
> photo ID.  I think there were 3 acceptable forms of photo ID, none of
> which I have.  Then I found a section saying "if you don't have photo ID
> ..." but this turned out to provide a solution that was only available
> if one's GP was in England
>
> I went round and round the website in ever decreasing circles trying to
> find out what I could do.  Help was no help at all and there was no
> "Contact us" so I gave up.  Then I picked up a new prescription which
> had a page on the front saying "We're now live on the NHS app ..." and
> providing URLs for logging on and for "further help."  The latter turned
> out to be marginally helpful because it basically said "if you don't
> have photo ID - tough!  We can't do anything about that just now but
> we're working on it."
>
> Might it not be a good idea of they had worked on it *before* closing
> the website?

I thought the 'Government Gateway' (or whatever it is/was called) was
supposed to take care of all these problems?

I managed to get the NHS(Wales) app to work and was about to say that I
didn't supply any photo ID - but maybe I did have to photograph my
driving licence.
I did have to turn the phone onto my own face and gurn at it for a
period of time (probably not a security measure, just some programmer
laughing his socks off).
Once set up, it does let me re-order prescriptions, which is the only
thing I use it for.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 27-Mar-24 21:22, Iain Archer wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:47:14 +0000, Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:26:43 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>> (Tight old retired scrooges who have to have a passport to vote).
>>
>> This tight old retired Scrooge has had a postal vote for several years
>> now and has never been asked to produce a passport.
>>
> My LA's recent communication about the London Mayoral election has a long
> list of qualifying photo documents, which includes the like of Freedom Pass
> and Oyster 60+ card. Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
> outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence) as long as
> the photo is a good likeness. I've not seen any other demander being
> that permissive.
>
It seems like a sensible approach.
As a general means of identification it is difficult to forge and
carries an 'official' photograph. The expiry date is rather arbitrary,
and ought to be good enough as long as the photograph is a reasonable
resemblance.

Could it be a left wing response to a right wing scheme which was
designed to hinder poor people who might try to vote?

Certainly some people will cast it in that light.

--
Sam Plusnet

In message <8S4NN.170263$hN14.106263@fx17.iad> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024
02:46:27, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>On 27-Mar-24 21:22, Iain Archer wrote:
[]
>> and Oyster 60+ card. Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
>> outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence) as long as
>> the photo is a good likeness. I've not seen any other demander being
>> that permissive.
>>
>It seems like a sensible approach.
>As a general means of identification it is difficult to forge and
>carries an 'official' photograph. The expiry date is rather arbitrary,
>and ought to be good enough as long as the photograph is a reasonable
>resemblance.

The photos themselves also have an expiry date. When I was taken off
insulin, I applied to go back to a driving licence that I didn't have to
renew every three years, but when I got it, it still had an expiry date
before I am 70 (actually not long after it would have been on the
three-year cycle); when I rang up to see why, that was the explanation I
was given.
>
>Could it be a left wing response to a right wing scheme which was
>designed to hinder poor people who might try to vote?
>
>Certainly some people will cast it in that light.
>
The casting applies both ways round.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Democracy is when two wolves and a sheep decide what is for dinner.
(quoted by) Ipraylam, 2015-07-13

Iain Archer wrote:

>My LA's recent communication about the London Mayoral election has a long
>list of qualifying photo documents, which includes the like of Freedom Pass
>and Oyster 60+ card. Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
>outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence) as long as
>the photo is a good likeness. I've not seen any other demander being
>that permissive.

I have to say that the requirements for passport photos is such
that a "good likeness" is not a description I would apply to any
of them.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham
'48/33 M B+ G++ A L(-) I S-- CH0(--)(p) Ar- T+ H0 ?Q
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1
Plant amazing Acers.

On 28.3.24 00:08, Jenny M Benson wrote:
> Might it not be a good idea of they had worked on it *before* closing
> the website?

That sort of thinking is simply not allowed. Once the wrong rules have
been set no-one is allowed to actually do anything useful. This is the
whole point of modernisation - simply because the inventor has a mobile
phone and photo id the whole world must have it as well.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 27/03/2024 17:47, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:26:43 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>> (Tight old retired scrooges who have to have a passport to vote).
>
> This tight old retired Scrooge has had a postal vote for several years
> now and has never been asked to produce a passport.
>

Same with this tight old retired Scrooge, which is fortunate, as I no
longer possess a passport.

I see that blue badges are on the list of acceptable identification
which may well cause an interesting challenge for some voters. If I was
taken to vote in person, I would probably need to use my blue badge to
claim the disabled parking which would make it possible to get into the
polling station.

I did actually have this problem once, when I went into my local bank[1]
to retrieve the deeds to my last house, in order to give them to my
solicitor prior to selling it. I had to tell the woman I dealt with
that, if she wanted to see my photo id, she'd have to go out to check it
in the red van, parked on the double yellows outside. She decided she
didn't need to see it that badly...

[1] This was after a saga where Lloyds had denied that the Bishop's
Waltham branch existed, when I'd tried to phone to arrange to collect my
deeds. After much toing and froing, they eventually found it. It was
all down to the apostrophe. I forget whether it was that the database
included it while the clerk I was talking to didn't, or vice versa.
--
Best wishes, Serena
It is easy to be brave from a safe distance (Aesop)

On 27/03/2024 20:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> We had asked for a postal vote simply for the duration of covid[1], but
> when we received the paperwork it was a permanent arrangement.
> Now that the "Who are you?  Prove it." rules have been put in place, I'm
> happy to stay with a postal vote.

If you ever decide you have a burning desire to vote in person, you can
do so by taking your postal vote and posting it in the ballot box, in
the polling station.

--
Best wishes, Serena
It is bad to suppress laughter. It just goes back down and spreads to
your hips (Fred Allen)

On 28.3.24 10:44, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> This was after a saga where Lloyds had denied that the Bishop's Waltham
> branch existed

My mother and father's bank for many a long year. I assume it is now
long gone. I know the Woolston branch which I used to open my account
is also long gone.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

In message <uu3hqc$3flvr$4@dont-email.me> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 10:46:36,
Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
>On 27/03/2024 20:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> We had asked for a postal vote simply for the duration of covid[1],
>>but when we received the paperwork it was a permanent arrangement.
>> Now that the "Who are you?  Prove it." rules have been put in place,
>>I'm happy to stay with a postal vote.
>
>If you ever decide you have a burning desire to vote in person, you can
>do so by taking your postal vote and posting it in the ballot box, in
>the polling station.
>
If you did that, would the people running the polling station let you do
so _without_ showing a photo ID? Interesting question.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Does Barbie come with Ken?"
"Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous

In message <uu3hm8$3flvr$3@dont-email.me> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 10:44:24,
Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
[]
>I did actually have this problem once, when I went into my local
>bank[1] to retrieve the deeds to my last house, in order to give them
>to my solicitor prior to selling it. I had to tell the woman I dealt
>with that, if she wanted to see my photo id, she'd have to go out to
>check it in the red van, parked on the double yellows outside. She
>decided she didn't need to see it that badly...
>
LOL!
>
>
>[1] This was after a saga where Lloyds had denied that the Bishop's
>Waltham branch existed, when I'd tried to phone to arrange to collect
>my deeds. After much toing and froing, they eventually found it. It
>was all down to the apostrophe. I forget whether it was that the
>database included it while the clerk I was talking to didn't, or vice
>versa.

I've had something similar with my address: I like my first line to say
"5, Yew Tree Park", but officially (presumably due to an error when it
was first set up) it's "5, Yew Tree Park Homes". I _have_ had people
insist on the "Homes", though somewhat coyly, as they're not supposed to
prompt - they say something like "is there something more".
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Does Barbie come with Ken?"
"Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous

In message <uu3jp9$3hqfa$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 11:20:17,
Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> writes
>On 28.3.24 10:44, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> This was after a saga where Lloyds had denied that the Bishop's
>>Waltham branch existed
>
>My mother and father's bank for many a long year. I assume it is now
>long gone. I know the Woolston branch which I used to open my account
>is also long gone.
>

I keep wondering what doom is going to descend on me (and others who
live around Ashford, Kent); one hears so much about places where the
last remaining bank branch has closed. I have the choice of Barclays,
Santander, Metro, Lloyds, HSBC, Halifax, NatWest, and maybe others, as
well as a Post Office. (OK, I have to go into Ashford - the village here
hasn't had a bank since I came, and its post office closed recently -
but that's normal for rural. [It does have an ATM or two in the village
shops, not sure whether free - I've never used.])
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Does Barbie come with Ken?"
"Barbie comes with G.I. Joe. She fakes it with Ken." - anonymous

On 28/03/2024 11:20, Kosmo wrote:
> On 28.3.24 10:44, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> This was after a saga where Lloyds had denied that the Bishop's
>> Waltham branch existed
>
> My mother and father's bank for many a long year.  I assume it is now
> long gone.  I know the Woolston branch which I used to open my account
> is also long gone.

Not long gone but yes, it has gone. IIRC, it was at the beginning of
this year that it closed :( It's rumoured that it will be replaced by
some combination of bistro/coffee shop and a beauty salon.

--
Best wishes, Serena
Q. Which dog is the most expensive of all?
A. A deer hound!

On 28/03/2024 12:32, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <uu3hqc$3flvr$4@dont-email.me> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 10:46:36,
> Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
>> On 27/03/2024 20:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> We had asked for a postal vote simply for the duration of covid[1],
>>> but  when we received the paperwork it was a permanent arrangement.
>>> Now that the "Who are you?  Prove it." rules have been put in place,
>>> I'm  happy to stay with a postal vote.
>>
>> If you ever decide you have a burning desire to vote in person, you
>> can do so by taking your postal vote and posting it in the ballot box,
>> in the polling station.
>>
> If you did that, would the people running the polling station let you do
> so _without_ showing a photo ID? Interesting question.

I assume they would (or, at least, should). I'm pretty certain that, if
I realised I had missed the last date for safe posting of my vote, I
could give my postal vote to a neighbour to hand it over when they went
to cast their own vote (or when they happened to be going past the
polling station while walking the dog, or whatever). The postal vote
envelope will include the form where I will have signed that it really
is me who has cast this vote.

--
Best wishes, Serena
What if there were no hypothetical questions?

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:32:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <uu3hqc$3flvr$4@dont-email.me> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 10:46:36,
>Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
>>On 27/03/2024 20:22, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> We had asked for a postal vote simply for the duration of covid[1],
>>>but when we received the paperwork it was a permanent arrangement.
>>> Now that the "Who are you?  Prove it." rules have been put in place,
>>>I'm happy to stay with a postal vote.
>>
>>If you ever decide you have a burning desire to vote in person, you can
>>do so by taking your postal vote and posting it in the ballot box, in
>>the polling station.
>>
>If you did that, would the people running the polling station let you do
>so _without_ showing a photo ID? Interesting question.

Yes, is the answer. Because I did exactly that last year. (I arrived
back in England too late to catch the last post for my vote.) You are
not actually voting at the polling station in that situation, you are
merely availing yourself of a temporary post box which is housed
there. The people at the polling station don't need to do anything
because the people at the count will have the job of checking whether
your vote is genuine or not and they would be doing that even if your
vote came by Royal Mail.

Nick

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 02:46:27 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 27-Mar-24 21:22, Iain Archer wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:47:14 +0000, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 15:26:43 +0000, Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>> (Tight old retired scrooges who have to have a passport to vote).
>>>
>>> This tight old retired Scrooge has had a postal vote for several years
>>> now and has never been asked to produce a passport.
>>>
>> My LA's recent communication about the London Mayoral election has a long
>> list of qualifying photo documents, which includes the like of Freedom Pass
>> and Oyster 60+ card. Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
>> outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence) as long as
>> the photo is a good likeness. I've not seen any other demander being
>> that permissive.
>>
>It seems like a sensible approach.
>As a general means of identification it is difficult to forge and
>carries an 'official' photograph. The expiry date is rather arbitrary,
>and ought to be good enough as long as the photograph is a reasonable
>resemblance.
>
>Could it be a left wing response to a right wing scheme which was
>designed to hinder poor people who might try to vote?
>
>Certainly some people will cast it in that light.

I feel the root problem is that we have managed without photo-id or
identity cards for decades - centuries even - and while it's becoming
more common to require photo-id in many circumstances there are a
goodly number of folk who live their lives and never run into that
sort of requirement and then get caught out by a sudden
once-every-five-years need when they want to vote

I've got nothing against ID cards as such. The Germans - amongst
others - seem to have a nice, de-centralised system where the card
just identifies it's owner - nothing more. The proposed but now
abandoned UK system proposed to facilitate access to everything
anybody had ever known about you and to store all that date in a
single central location. I wasn't the only one who thought that wasn't
very clever and wanted nothing to do with it.

Nick

In message <vmbb0j1c4nomjovj5lrf6lbveof5sjreoj@4ax.com> at Thu, 28 Mar
2024 17:59:45, Nick Odell <nickodell49@yahoo.ca> writes
>On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 12:32:20 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <uu3hqc$3flvr$4@dont-email.me> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024 10:46:36,
>>Serena Blanchflower <nospam@blanchflower.me.uk> writes
[]
>>>If you ever decide you have a burning desire to vote in person, you can
>>>do so by taking your postal vote and posting it in the ballot box, in
>>>the polling station.
>>>
>>If you did that, would the people running the polling station let you do
>>so _without_ showing a photo ID? Interesting question.
>
>Yes, is the answer. Because I did exactly that last year. (I arrived
>back in England too late to catch the last post for my vote.) You are
>not actually voting at the polling station in that situation, you are
>merely availing yourself of a temporary post box which is housed

That is what I see the situation as being. But I can imagine an official
- either jobsworth, or power-crazed (OK, but you know what I mean), or
genuinely not understanding the situation. (_Maybe_ the instructions to
polling station staffers include this specific point.)

>there. The people at the polling station don't need to do anything
>because the people at the count will have the job of checking whether
>your vote is genuine or not and they would be doing that even if your
>vote came by Royal Mail.

Agreed.
>
>Nick
John
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

There should be a place on the ballot paper for 'None of the above', and if
enough people filled that in, the system might start to change. - Jeremy
Paxman in RT, 2014/1/25-31

On 28-Mar-24 8:00, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <8S4NN.170263$hN14.106263@fx17.iad> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024
> 02:46:27, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>> On 27-Mar-24 21:22, Iain Archer wrote:
> []
>>> and Oyster 60+ card.  Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
>>> outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence)  as
>>> long as
>>> the photo is a good likeness.  I've not seen any other demander being
>>> that permissive.
>>>
>> It seems like a sensible approach.
>> As a general means of identification it is difficult to forge and
>> carries an 'official' photograph.  The expiry date is rather
>> arbitrary, and ought to be good enough as long as the photograph is a
>> reasonable resemblance.
>
> The photos themselves also have an expiry date. When I was taken off
> insulin, I applied to go back to a driving licence that I didn't have to
> renew every three years, but when I got it, it still had an expiry date
> before I am 70 (actually not long after it would have been on the
> three-year cycle); when I rang up to see why, that was the explanation I
> was given.

As a driving licence, that's how the system works.

However if you just want to use that driving licence as a general
purpose form of ID (say, for voting) then it ought to be perfectly OK as
long as someone could look at the photo on it, then at your phizog (or
boat race, if you prefer) and say "Yes That's him/her."

--
Sam Plusnet

On 28.3.24 13:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
> On 28/03/2024 11:20, Kosmo wrote:
>> On 28.3.24 10:44, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>> This was after a saga where Lloyds had denied that the Bishop's
>>> Waltham branch existed
>>
>> My mother and father's bank for many a long year.  I assume it is now
>> long gone.  I know the Woolston branch which I used to open my account
>> is also long gone.
>
> Not long gone but yes, it has gone.  IIRC, it was at the beginning of
> this year that it closed :(  It's rumoured that it will be replaced by
> some combination of bistro/coffee shop and a beauty salon.
>

An attractive building as I recall. My last visit was over 10 years ago
as I had a drive through the area shortly before my mother died showing
my wife some of the area where I grew up. Most notably the wide open
countryside between Swanmore and Bishop's Waltham appeared to have vanished.

--
Kosmo Richard W
www.travelswmw.whitnet.uk
https://tinyurl.com/KRWpics

On 29/03/2024 13:34, Kosmo wrote:
> On 28.3.24 13:23, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>> On 28/03/2024 11:20, Kosmo wrote:
>>> On 28.3.24 10:44, Serena Blanchflower wrote:
>>>> This was after a saga where Lloyds had denied that the Bishop's
>>>> Waltham branch existed
>>>
>>> My mother and father's bank for many a long year.  I assume it is now
>>> long gone.  I know the Woolston branch which I used to open my
>>> account is also long gone.
>>
>> Not long gone but yes, it has gone.  IIRC, it was at the beginning of
>> this year that it closed :(  It's rumoured that it will be replaced by
>> some combination of bistro/coffee shop and a beauty salon.
>>
>
> An attractive building as I recall.  My last visit was over 10 years ago
> as I had a drive through the area shortly before my mother died showing
> my wife some of the area where I grew up.  Most notably the wide open
> countryside between Swanmore and Bishop's Waltham appeared to have
> vanished.
>

Yes, it is. As is the building which used to house Barclays, just
across the road from it. The Barclays building has been empty for a
year or so longer but I haven't heard anything about what that will turn
into. You're right that there's no real gap left, between BW and
Swanmore :(

--
Best wishes, Serena
It was such a lovely day I thought it a pity to get up. (W. Somerset
Maugham)

Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
> Oh dear, all change again. I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see if
> anyone can see me?
>
> Kosmo
>

I can, Kosmo.

Mrs McT

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 28-Mar-24 8:00, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> In message <8S4NN.170263$hN14.106263@fx17.iad> at Thu, 28 Mar 2024
>> 02:46:27, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> writes
>>> On 27-Mar-24 21:22, Iain Archer wrote:
>> []
>>>> and Oyster 60+ card.  Remarkably they also say that they'll accept an
>>>> outdated one (which would include a passport or driving licence)  as
>>>> long as
>>>> the photo is a good likeness.  I've not seen any other demander being
>>>> that permissive.
>>>>
>>> It seems like a sensible approach.
>>> As a general means of identification it is difficult to forge and
>>> carries an 'official' photograph.  The expiry date is rather
>>> arbitrary, and ought to be good enough as long as the photograph is a
>>> reasonable resemblance.
>>
>> The photos themselves also have an expiry date. When I was taken off
>> insulin, I applied to go back to a driving licence that I didn't have to
>> renew every three years, but when I got it, it still had an expiry date
>> before I am 70 (actually not long after it would have been on the
>> three-year cycle); when I rang up to see why, that was the explanation I
>> was given.
>
> As a driving licence, that's how the system works.
>
> However if you just want to use that driving licence as a general
> purpose form of ID (say, for voting) then it ought to be perfectly OK as
> long as someone could look at the photo on it, then at your phizog (or
> boat race, if you prefer) and say "Yes That's him/her."
>
>

Too many can’t/won’t/prefer not to drive that the driving licence needs
something else. Had we not been pressed into needing a passport as
executors of late stepmum’s will, I’d have been very happy with the
citizen’s passport as my ID proof - though as we’re postal voters by
choice, we’d probably still not need it

Mrs McT

On Fri, 29 Mar 2024 14:58:24 -0000 (UTC), Chris
<chris.mcmillan@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>Kosmo <krw@whitnet.uk> wrote:
>> Oh dear, all change again. I will be leaving Plusnet so need to see if
>> anyone can see me?
>>
>> Kosmo
>>
>
>I can, Kosmo.
>
>Mrs McT

I can too.