Mark Carver wrote:

> I'm completely and utterly unimpressed with my Sipgate Starter/Basic
> service.

I thought I'd kept one of my sipgate accounts active, but it seems to
have lapsed ...

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 23/01/2024 14:12, Chris Green wrote:
> > David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 23/01/2024 12:22, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> >>> I've been thinking about that: I presume the BBC will have no
> >>> significant constraints on their network connections, yet I contantly
> >>> hear phone-ins from UK contributors with huge delays or where the speech
> >>> is broken up by drop-outs.
> >>
> >> That's not a sound quality issue, although it may cause one; it is a
> >> network problem.
> >
> > If the sound is so bad you can't understand it then it's a sound
> > quality problem. What causes the problem (latency, dropouts, wrong or
> > mis-matched codecs) is another matter.
> >
> >
> I suspect it is video calls to skype etc over a seriously low bandwidth
> line.

These are audio phone-ins, mainly Radio 4.

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Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 23/01/2024 14:12, Chris Green wrote:
>>> David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 23/01/2024 12:22, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>> I've been thinking about that: I presume the BBC will have no
>>>>> significant constraints on their network connections, yet I contantly
>>>>> hear phone-ins from UK contributors with huge delays or where the speech
>>>>> is broken up by drop-outs.
>>>>
>>>> That's not a sound quality issue, although it may cause one; it is a
>>>> network problem.
>>>
>>> If the sound is so bad you can't understand it then it's a sound
>>> quality problem. What causes the problem (latency, dropouts, wrong or
>>> mis-matched codecs) is another matter.
>>>
>>>
>> I suspect it is video calls to skype etc over a seriously low bandwidth
>> line.
>
> These are audio phone-ins, mainly Radio 4.
>
>
User with a poor signal is the usual cause. Either a low signal strength
from/to the cell site, user using WiFi calling at home on the limit of
their WiFi, contended WiFi because they are on the same channel as their
neighbour, or low speed or contended uplink on their domestic broadband.
The average user has little understanding of how any of this works

Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 22/01/2024 19:26, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> As an aside (which should maybe be a new thread) how does VOIP compare
>>> with mobile and 'landline'.
>>
>> depends what the phones negotiate, if both ends have G.722 codec it
>> should be better than PSTN quality
>
> I must say, I'm completely and utterly unimpressed with my Sipgate
> Starter/Basic service.
>
> I've had it for 18 months, but recently received my first 'real' phone
> call. The call quality (from within the UK, on a BT Landline with hard
> wired phone) was diabolical. In fact so diabolical my friend tried
> ringing back twice. He then called me on my POTs landline and all was
> good. Other calls from outside of Sipgate are similarly crap.
>
> If I do the various echo tests to 10005, both the received quality of Mr
> Sipgate's voice, and my own recordings are fine, in fact really good.
> Codec G.722.
>
> Also, initiated calls don't cleardown until 35 to 40 seconds after I
> hang up,
>
> For instance, if I call my mobile, let it ring once, then hang up (the
> Sipgate phone) the mobile carries on ringing for 35 seconds, the
> mobile's voicemail kicks in, and kerching, 15p gone.
>
> Is this the future ?
>

I have a VOIP DECT phone connected to a VDSL router supplied by Andrews and
Arnold, broadband and voip service all provided by Andrews and Arnold.
Works very well with none of the issues you describe.

On 23/01/2024 17:52, Tweed wrote:
> Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 22/01/2024 19:26, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> As an aside (which should maybe be a new thread) how does VOIP compare
>>>> with mobile and 'landline'.
>>>
>>> depends what the phones negotiate, if both ends have G.722 codec it
>>> should be better than PSTN quality
>>
>> I must say, I'm completely and utterly unimpressed with my Sipgate
>> Starter/Basic service.
>>
>> I've had it for 18 months, but recently received my first 'real' phone
>> call. The call quality (from within the UK, on a BT Landline with hard
>> wired phone) was diabolical. In fact so diabolical my friend tried
>> ringing back twice. He then called me on my POTs landline and all was
>> good. Other calls from outside of Sipgate are similarly crap.
>>
>> If I do the various echo tests to 10005, both the received quality of Mr
>> Sipgate's voice, and my own recordings are fine, in fact really good.
>> Codec G.722.
>>
>> Also, initiated calls don't cleardown until 35 to 40 seconds after I
>> hang up,
>>
>> For instance, if I call my mobile, let it ring once, then hang up (the
>> Sipgate phone) the mobile carries on ringing for 35 seconds, the
>> mobile's voicemail kicks in, and kerching, 15p gone.
>>
>> Is this the future ?
>>
>
> I have a VOIP DECT phone connected to a VDSL router supplied by Andrews and
> Arnold, broadband and voip service all provided by Andrews and Arnold.
> Works very well with none of the issues you describe.
>

Well clearly (no pun intended) you get what you pay for, (even if, as
with A&A it doesn't cost not very much) !

Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 23/01/2024 17:52, Tweed wrote:
>> Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 22/01/2024 19:26, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As an aside (which should maybe be a new thread) how does VOIP compare
>>>>> with mobile and 'landline'.
>>>>
>>>> depends what the phones negotiate, if both ends have G.722 codec it
>>>> should be better than PSTN quality
>>>
>>> I must say, I'm completely and utterly unimpressed with my Sipgate
>>> Starter/Basic service.
>>>
>>> I've had it for 18 months, but recently received my first 'real' phone
>>> call. The call quality (from within the UK, on a BT Landline with hard
>>> wired phone) was diabolical. In fact so diabolical my friend tried
>>> ringing back twice. He then called me on my POTs landline and all was
>>> good. Other calls from outside of Sipgate are similarly crap.
>>>
>>> If I do the various echo tests to 10005, both the received quality of Mr
>>> Sipgate's voice, and my own recordings are fine, in fact really good.
>>> Codec G.722.
>>>
>>> Also, initiated calls don't cleardown until 35 to 40 seconds after I
>>> hang up,
>>>
>>> For instance, if I call my mobile, let it ring once, then hang up (the
>>> Sipgate phone) the mobile carries on ringing for 35 seconds, the
>>> mobile's voicemail kicks in, and kerching, 15p gone.
>>>
>>> Is this the future ?
>>>
>>
>> I have a VOIP DECT phone connected to a VDSL router supplied by Andrews and
>> Arnold, broadband and voip service all provided by Andrews and Arnold.
>> Works very well with none of the issues you describe.
>>
>
> Well clearly (no pun intended) you get what you pay for, (even if, as
> with A&A it doesn't cost not very much) !
>

I’ve learnt over the years to avoid services that appear to be free or are
priced at unrealistically low rates.

On 23/01/2024 18:21, Tweed wrote:
> Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 23/01/2024 17:52, Tweed wrote:
>>> Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 22/01/2024 19:26, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> Scott wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As an aside (which should maybe be a new thread) how does VOIP compare
>>>>>> with mobile and 'landline'.
>>>>>
>>>>> depends what the phones negotiate, if both ends have G.722 codec it
>>>>> should be better than PSTN quality
>>>>
>>>> I must say, I'm completely and utterly unimpressed with my Sipgate
>>>> Starter/Basic service.
>>>>
>>>> I've had it for 18 months, but recently received my first 'real' phone
>>>> call. The call quality (from within the UK, on a BT Landline with hard
>>>> wired phone) was diabolical. In fact so diabolical my friend tried
>>>> ringing back twice. He then called me on my POTs landline and all was
>>>> good. Other calls from outside of Sipgate are similarly crap.
>>>>
>>>> If I do the various echo tests to 10005, both the received quality of Mr
>>>> Sipgate's voice, and my own recordings are fine, in fact really good.
>>>> Codec G.722.
>>>>
>>>> Also, initiated calls don't cleardown until 35 to 40 seconds after I
>>>> hang up,
>>>>
>>>> For instance, if I call my mobile, let it ring once, then hang up (the
>>>> Sipgate phone) the mobile carries on ringing for 35 seconds, the
>>>> mobile's voicemail kicks in, and kerching, 15p gone.
>>>>
>>>> Is this the future ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have a VOIP DECT phone connected to a VDSL router supplied by Andrews and
>>> Arnold, broadband and voip service all provided by Andrews and Arnold.
>>> Works very well with none of the issues you describe.
>>>
>>
>> Well clearly (no pun intended) you get what you pay for, (even if, as
>> with A&A it doesn't cost not very much) !
>>
>
> I’ve learnt over the years to avoid services that appear to be free or are
> priced at unrealistically low rates.
>
If an offer is too good to be true, then it probably really is !

Having dabbled around with VoIP for 18 months, it's certainly not
something for even the technically minded to be playing around with,
unless they are moderately au fait with networking practices and
fundamentals.

The way forward for general public use, is definitely the embedded
systems within ISP routers (BT, Sky, Zen etc)

On 23/01/2024 17:29, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 23/01/2024 14:12, Chris Green wrote:
>>> David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 23/01/2024 12:22, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>> I've been thinking about that: I presume the BBC will have no
>>>>> significant constraints on their network connections, yet I contantly
>>>>> hear phone-ins from UK contributors with huge delays or where the speech
>>>>> is broken up by drop-outs.
>>>>
>>>> That's not a sound quality issue, although it may cause one; it is a
>>>> network problem.
>>>
>>> If the sound is so bad you can't understand it then it's a sound
>>> quality problem. What causes the problem (latency, dropouts, wrong or
>>> mis-matched codecs) is another matter.
>>>
>>>
>> I suspect it is video calls to skype etc over a seriously low bandwidth
>> line.
>
> These are audio phone-ins, mainly Radio 4.
>
>
Well no one who still listens to Radio 4 is capable of even replacing a
battery.

--
"I guess a rattlesnake ain't risponsible fer bein' a rattlesnake, but ah
puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 23/01/2024 17:29, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 23/01/2024 14:12, Chris Green wrote:
> >>> David Woolley <david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid> wrote:
> >>>> On 23/01/2024 12:22, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> >>>>> I've been thinking about that: I presume the BBC will have no
> >>>>> significant constraints on their network connections, yet I contantly
> >>>>> hear phone-ins from UK contributors with huge delays or where the speech
> >>>>> is broken up by drop-outs.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's not a sound quality issue, although it may cause one; it is a
> >>>> network problem.
> >>>
> >>> If the sound is so bad you can't understand it then it's a sound
> >>> quality problem. What causes the problem (latency, dropouts, wrong or
> >>> mis-matched codecs) is another matter.
> >>>
> >>>
> >> I suspect it is video calls to skype etc over a seriously low bandwidth
> >> line.
> >
> > These are audio phone-ins, mainly Radio 4.
> >
> >
> Well no one who still listens to Radio 4 is capable of even replacing a
> battery.

That's most unfair. Not only can I change a battery, I can charge the
accumulators and even fit a new valve if the need arises.

--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
> I must say, I'm completely and utterly unimpressed with my Sipgate
> Starter/Basic service.
>
> I've had it for 18 months, but recently received my first 'real' phone
> call. The call quality (from within the UK, on a BT Landline with hard
> wired phone) was diabolical. In fact so diabolical my friend tried
> ringing back twice. He then called me on my POTs landline and all was
> good. Other calls from outside of Sipgate are similarly crap.
>
> If I do the various echo tests to 10005, both the received quality of Mr
> Sipgate's voice, and my own recordings are fine, in fact really good.
> Codec G.722.
>
> Also, initiated calls don't cleardown until 35 to 40 seconds after I
> hang up,
>
> For instance, if I call my mobile, let it ring once, then hang up (the
> Sipgate phone) the mobile carries on ringing for 35 seconds, the
> mobile's voicemail kicks in, and kerching, 15p gone.
>
> Is this the future ?

One of the problems with cheapskate VOIP companies is they use
bargain-basement wholesale routes for outgoing calls, which can compress the
voice to death in order to carry more traffic. Especially to international
destinations it can be a lottery as to how the calls get routed.

I'm not seeing how this could affect incoming calls, unless they farm that
out to somebody else who also does such compression, or apply it themselves?

Also there could be something in how your phone negotiates with Sipgate. eg
you say you want to do G722, the other end can't do G722, so you settle
on GSM or some other terrible codec as the lowest common denominator. Do
you have other codecs enabled?

Theo

On 24/01/2024 11:24, Theo wrote:
> Mark Carver <mark@invalid.com> wrote:
>> I must say, I'm completely and utterly unimpressed with my Sipgate
>> Starter/Basic service.
>>
>> I've had it for 18 months, but recently received my first 'real' phone
>> call. The call quality (from within the UK, on a BT Landline with hard
>> wired phone) was diabolical. In fact so diabolical my friend tried
>> ringing back twice. He then called me on my POTs landline and all was
>> good. Other calls from outside of Sipgate are similarly crap.
>>
>> If I do the various echo tests to 10005, both the received quality of Mr
>> Sipgate's voice, and my own recordings are fine, in fact really good.
>> Codec G.722.
>>
>> Also, initiated calls don't cleardown until 35 to 40 seconds after I
>> hang up,
>>
>> For instance, if I call my mobile, let it ring once, then hang up (the
>> Sipgate phone) the mobile carries on ringing for 35 seconds, the
>> mobile's voicemail kicks in, and kerching, 15p gone.
>>
>> Is this the future ?
>
> One of the problems with cheapskate VOIP companies is they use
> bargain-basement wholesale routes for outgoing calls, which can compress the
> voice to death in order to carry more traffic. Especially to international
> destinations it can be a lottery as to how the calls get routed.
>
> I'm not seeing how this could affect incoming calls, unless they farm that
> out to somebody else who also does such compression, or apply it themselves?
>
> Also there could be something in how your phone negotiates with Sipgate. eg
> you say you want to do G722, the other end can't do G722, so you settle
> on GSM or some other terrible codec as the lowest common denominator. Do
> you have other codecs enabled?

I have no idea where I might set the Codec parameters ? All that happens
is G.722 lights up in the Phone's LCD display when on a call
(Grandstream GXP1610)

As I say, Mr Sipgate's menu announcements (on 10XXX etc) are crystal
clear, as is my own voice on an Echo test

"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uoou3m$1ck8k$1@dont-email.me...
> User with a poor signal is the usual cause. Either a low signal strength
> from/to the cell site, user using WiFi calling at home on the limit of
> their WiFi, contended WiFi because they are on the same channel as their
> neighbour, or low speed or contended uplink on their domestic broadband.
> The average user has little understanding of how any of this works

At least they *have* mobile signal. Our village has been without mobile
reception on O2, EE and Vodafone for several days, with no forecast as to
when it will be fixed. I'm hoping I don't get challenged to complete
two-factor authentication for anything, otherwise I'll have to get in the
car, drive to where there might be reception, and then drive back at the
speed of light to complete the transaction before the 2FA timeout occurs.

And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone said
that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings | Connections
(this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a Samsung A54G which I
bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone with an ancient version of
Android.

Our local village shop is unable to take payments by card, so they are
having to rely on people happening to have cash on them in the correct
denominations to pay, because it's an honesty-box system so there's no-one
to give you change from a fiver.

I wonder if it's a casualty of the storms or whether it's a cockup due to
the closing of 3G. Certainly the mast is enabled for 4G because my phone
normally connects as 4G.

NY wrote:

> when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone said
> that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast.

The on/off toggle is hidden if your provider hasn't provisioned your SIM
for wifi calling, which in turn varies depending on the combination of
MNO/MVNO and model of phone.

To check go into your dialler and call *#*#4636#*#*, then pick phone
info, you can see (but not alter) various provisioning sliders.

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uoou3m$1ck8k$1@dont-email.me...
>> User with a poor signal is the usual cause. Either a low signal strength
>> from/to the cell site, user using WiFi calling at home on the limit of
>> their WiFi, contended WiFi because they are on the same channel as their
>> neighbour, or low speed or contended uplink on their domestic broadband.
>> The average user has little understanding of how any of this works
>
> At least they *have* mobile signal. Our village has been without mobile
> reception on O2, EE and Vodafone for several days, with no forecast as to
> when it will be fixed. I'm hoping I don't get challenged to complete
> two-factor authentication for anything, otherwise I'll have to get in the
> car, drive to where there might be reception, and then drive back at the
> speed of light to complete the transaction before the 2FA timeout occurs.
>
> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone said
> that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings | Connections
> (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a Samsung A54G which I
> bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone with an ancient version of
> Android.
>
> Our local village shop is unable to take payments by card, so they are
> having to rely on people happening to have cash on them in the correct
> denominations to pay, because it's an honesty-box system so there's no-one
> to give you change from a fiver.
>
> I wonder if it's a casualty of the storms or whether it's a cockup due to
> the closing of 3G. Certainly the mast is enabled for 4G because my phone
> normally connects as 4G.
>
>

Does your mobile operator support WiFi calling?

On 24/01/2024 19:12, NY wrote:
> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone with
> an ancient version of Android.

I had this. It turned out that unless I bought the phone from 3, the
feature was absent.

--
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and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, one’s
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
one’s suitability to be taken seriously.”

Paul Krugman

On Wed 24/01/2024 19:12, NY wrote:
> "Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:uoou3m$1ck8k$1@dont-email.me...
>> User with a poor signal is the usual cause. Either a low signal strength
>> from/to the cell site, user using WiFi calling at home on the limit of
>> their WiFi, contended WiFi because they are on the same channel as their
>> neighbour, or low speed or contended uplink on their domestic broadband.
>> The average user has little understanding of how any of this works
>
> At least they *have* mobile signal. Our village has been without mobile
> reception on O2, EE and Vodafone for several days, with no forecast as
> to when it will be fixed. I'm hoping I don't get challenged to complete
> two-factor authentication for anything, otherwise I'll have to get in
> the car, drive to where there might be reception, and then drive back at
> the speed of light to complete the transaction before the 2FA timeout
> occurs.
>
> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone with
> an ancient version of Android.
>
> Our local village shop is unable to take payments by card, so they are
> having to rely on people happening to have cash on them in the correct
> denominations to pay, because it's an honesty-box system so there's
> no-one to give you change from a fiver.
>
> I wonder if it's a casualty of the storms or whether it's a cockup due
> to the closing of 3G. Certainly the mast is enabled for 4G because my
> phone normally connects as 4G.

O2 often shares masts with VF as they have a joint distribution
operation called Cornerstone. If there is a power failure they will
usually both go off together.
Similarly 3 and EE have shared distribution under MBNL which was set up
between 3 and T-Mob in the olden days, and likewise they will usually go
off together in the event of power failure.
If 3 is off as well it is likely there is a common power failure. If you
can get to the mast(s) there will be a label on the outside of the
cab(s) with contact phone number(s). ISTR the O2 NOC was something like
01753 564333 (or maybe 546333?) but that was some years ago.

"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:

> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone
> with an ancient version of Android.
>

On my Samsung phone the wifi calling was in a different place, i.e. in
the settings for the 'phone app', which is a Samsung app. I also noticed
it in the shortcuts when swiping down on the home screen. But merely
searching in settings did not find it.

Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:

> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:
>
>
>> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
>> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
>> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
>> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone
>> with an ancient version of Android.
>>
>
> On my Samsung phone the wifi calling was in a different place, i.e. in
> the settings for the 'phone app', which is a Samsung app. I also noticed
> it in the shortcuts when swiping down on the home screen. But merely
> searching in settings did not find it.

(Open the Samsung phone app, select the three vertical dots
menu, select settings.)

On 24/01/2024 19:42, Tweed wrote:
> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone said
>> that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings | Connections
>> (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a Samsung A54G which I
>> bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone with an ancient version of
>> Android.

>
> Does your mobile operator support WiFi calling?

Yes. They (Vodafone) even suggested it on their help page as a stop-gap
for while the mast that provides my coverage is broken.

On 24/01/2024 20:34, Richmond wrote:
> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:
>
>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:
>>
>>
>>> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
>>> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
>>> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
>>> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone
>>> with an ancient version of Android.
>>>
>>
>> On my Samsung phone the wifi calling was in a different place, i.e. in
>> the settings for the 'phone app', which is a Samsung app. I also noticed
>> it in the shortcuts when swiping down on the home screen. But merely
>> searching in settings did not find it.
>
> (Open the Samsung phone app, select the three vertical dots
> menu, select settings.)

Thank you. That worked perfectly. I wonder if it also allows texts to be
received or whether it just allows phone calls to be received/made.

Shame that there are so many different variants of Android with
different Settings pages and different apps. You'd think that Samsung's
own web site "wifi calling" for that model of phone would give the
correct information, rather than getting you to look at the phone's
Settings page rather than the phone app's Settings ;-)

NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 24/01/2024 20:34, Richmond wrote:
>> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:
>>
>>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
>>>> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
>>>> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
>>>> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone
>>>> with an ancient version of Android.
>>>>
>>>
>>> On my Samsung phone the wifi calling was in a different place, i.e. in
>>> the settings for the 'phone app', which is a Samsung app. I also noticed
>>> it in the shortcuts when swiping down on the home screen. But merely
>>> searching in settings did not find it.
>>
>> (Open the Samsung phone app, select the three vertical dots
>> menu, select settings.)
>
> Thank you. That worked perfectly. I wonder if it also allows texts to be
> received or whether it just allows phone calls to be received/made.
>
Maybe :)

Vodafone didn’t used to support SMS over WiFi calling, but claim they now
do *on compatible devices*. You probably need to get someone to text you to
experiment.

On 25/01/2024 06:55, Tweed wrote:
> NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>> On 24/01/2024 20:34, Richmond wrote:
>>> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
>>>>> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
>>>>> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
>>>>> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone
>>>>> with an ancient version of Android.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On my Samsung phone the wifi calling was in a different place, i.e. in
>>>> the settings for the 'phone app', which is a Samsung app. I also noticed
>>>> it in the shortcuts when swiping down on the home screen. But merely
>>>> searching in settings did not find it.
>>>
>>> (Open the Samsung phone app, select the three vertical dots
>>> menu, select settings.)
>>
>> Thank you. That worked perfectly. I wonder if it also allows texts to be
>> received or whether it just allows phone calls to be received/made.
>>
> Maybe :)
>
> Vodafone didn’t used to support SMS over WiFi calling, but claim they now
> do *on compatible devices*. You probably need to get someone to text you to
> experiment.
>
>

My Samdung J3 on three has always supported SMS texts over wifi - it is
the same protocol as used for voice, so why not?

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 25/01/2024 06:55, Tweed wrote:
>> NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> On 24/01/2024 20:34, Richmond wrote:
>>>> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
>>>>>> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
>>>>>> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
>>>>>> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone
>>>>>> with an ancient version of Android.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On my Samsung phone the wifi calling was in a different place, i.e. in
>>>>> the settings for the 'phone app', which is a Samsung app. I also noticed
>>>>> it in the shortcuts when swiping down on the home screen. But merely
>>>>> searching in settings did not find it.
>>>>
>>>> (Open the Samsung phone app, select the three vertical dots
>>>> menu, select settings.)
>>>
>>> Thank you. That worked perfectly. I wonder if it also allows texts to be
>>> received or whether it just allows phone calls to be received/made.
>>>
>> Maybe :)
>>
>> Vodafone didn’t used to support SMS over WiFi calling, but claim they now
>> do *on compatible devices*. You probably need to get someone to text you to
>> experiment.
>>
>>
>
> My Samdung J3 on three has always supported SMS texts over wifi - it is
> the same protocol as used for voice, so why not?
>
>

Is it the same protocol? Originally on 2G SMS was delivered over the
control channel/frequency. I’ve lost track of how it works with 3G and 4G.
3 might have had a head start with having no legacy 2G backend
infrastructure.

On 25/01/2024 08:39, Tweed wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 25/01/2024 06:55, Tweed wrote:
>>> NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>> On 24/01/2024 20:34, Richmond wrote:
>>>>> Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And when I investigated WiFi calling, the info for my model of phone
>>>>>>> said that there should be a WiFi Calling on/off control in Settings |
>>>>>>> Connections (this is Android) but there's no such beast. This is a
>>>>>>> Samsung A54G which I bought last year, so it's not an ancient phone
>>>>>>> with an ancient version of Android.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On my Samsung phone the wifi calling was in a different place, i.e. in
>>>>>> the settings for the 'phone app', which is a Samsung app. I also noticed
>>>>>> it in the shortcuts when swiping down on the home screen. But merely
>>>>>> searching in settings did not find it.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Open the Samsung phone app, select the three vertical dots
>>>>> menu, select settings.)
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. That worked perfectly. I wonder if it also allows texts to be
>>>> received or whether it just allows phone calls to be received/made.
>>>>
>>> Maybe :)
>>>
>>> Vodafone didn’t used to support SMS over WiFi calling, but claim they now
>>> do *on compatible devices*. You probably need to get someone to text you to
>>> experiment.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My Samdung J3 on three has always supported SMS texts over wifi - it is
>> the same protocol as used for voice, so why not?
>>
>>
>
> Is it the same protocol? Originally on 2G SMS was delivered over the
> control channel/frequency. I’ve lost track of how it works with 3G and 4G.
> 3 might have had a head start with having no legacy 2G backend
> infrastructure.
>
Ok I'll be a bit more precise. Its *tunnelled* over the same protocols
that the voice is.
protocol, just carried over IP rather than a radio channel.

Its not VOIP for example. In the normal meaning of the word...
(obviously its over IP carrying voice, but mashed up in radio protocols)

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"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:uot0ki$27a1c$1@dont-email.me...
> Vodafone didn’t used to support SMS over WiFi calling, but claim they now
> do *on compatible devices*. You probably need to get someone to text you
> to
> experiment.

Doesn't seem to work. If I text my wife (both phones on Vodafone, using wifi
calling at the moment) the text appears to send, but it is never received so
I imagine it will either have been saved for later delivery when the
recipient has mobile reception or else it will have gone into a black hole.

Bad news if either of us need to use text for two-factor authorisation.