In message <gYCoyVAG7EfkFw3f@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
>In message <180d0b81-e7d5-4389-aa8a-f0f2a3033786n@googlegroups.com>,
>mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
<snip>
>>
>>i thought leach was disappointing. he spent the day aiming at the
>>rough outside leg but just got carted. so many runs went through the
>>leg side as they wernt any fielders in the deep there for much of the day,
>>they had a free hit.
>
>I wondered if he was unwell, as he went off the field a couple of
>times. With his medical problems, that will always be a bit of a
>concern. The possibility of losing Leach is perhaps even more of a
>concern than losing a seamer; there are plenty more seamers to choose
>from, but ATM there's no credible replacement for Leach.

It's been revealed that Leach has now been diagnosed with a stress
fracture of the back and is out for the series.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 5:40:00 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <gYCoyVAG7EfkFw3f@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
> <john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
> >In message <180d0b81-e7d5-4389...@googlegroups.com>,
> >mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> <snip>
> >>
> >I wondered if he was unwell, as he went off the field a couple of
> >times. With his medical problems, that will always be a bit of a
> >concern. The possibility of losing Leach is perhaps even more of a
> >concern than losing a seamer; there are plenty more seamers to choose
> >from, but ATM there's no credible replacement for Leach.
> It's been revealed that Leach has now been diagnosed with a stress
> fracture of the back and is out for the series.

yes another piece of bad luck for england and leach. i dont remember
a spinner getting stress back fractures b4! i dunno who they replace
him with. Dawsons a decent bat but not really upto it as a test spinner,
ahmeds not bowled much this season so far, and both he and bess
average about 50 in the CC.

mike

In message <ee6dee06-852d-4311-ae8f-48ba6ccf25ebn@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 5:40:000 >> In message <gYCoyVAG7EfkFw3f@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
>> <john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
>> >In message <180d0b81-e7d5-4389...@googlegroups.com>,
>> >mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>> <snip>
>> >>
>> >I wondered if he was unwell, as he went off the field a couple of
>> >times. With his medical problems, that will always be a bit of a
>> >concern. The possibility of losing Leach is perhaps even more of a
>> >concern than losing a seamer; there are plenty more seamers to choose
>> >from, but ATM there's no credible replacement for Leach.
>> It's been revealed that Leach has now been diagnosed with a stress
>> fracture of the back and is out for the series.
>
>yes another piece of bad luck for england and leach. i dont remember
>a spinner getting stress back fractures b4!

No, I can't remember it happening either. It's usually quick bowlers.

> i dunno who they replace
>him with. Dawsons a decent bat but not really upto it as a test spinner,
>ahmeds not bowled much this season so far, and both he and bess
>average about 50 in the CC.

Lacking a plausible candidate, they may decide that they might as well
pick another quick bowler, with Root providing any spin that's needed.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 8:20:06 PM UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <ee6dee06-852d-4311...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 5:40:000 >> In message <gYCoyVAG7EfkFw3f@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
> >> <john_...@jhall.co.uk> writes
> >> >In message <180d0b81-e7d5-4389...@googlegroups.com>,
> >> >mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >> <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >I wondered if he was unwell, as he went off the field a couple of
> >> >times. With his medical problems, that will always be a bit of a
> >> >concern. The possibility of losing Leach is perhaps even more of a
> >> >concern than losing a seamer; there are plenty more seamers to choose
> >> >from, but ATM there's no credible replacement for Leach.
> >> It's been revealed that Leach has now been diagnosed with a stress
> >> fracture of the back and is out for the series.
> >
> >yes another piece of bad luck for england and leach. i dont remember
> >a spinner getting stress back fractures b4!
> No, I can't remember it happening either. It's usually quick bowlers.

on another forum it was suggested it might be down to all the big hitting
leach has been doing in the CC. apparently quite a strike rate!

> > i dunno who they replace
> >him with. Dawsons a decent bat but not really upto it as a test spinner,
> >ahmeds not bowled much this season so far, and both he and bess
> >average about 50 in the CC.
> Lacking a plausible candidate, they may decide that they might as well
> pick another quick bowler, with Root providing any spin that's needed.

in that case we might expect the edgbaston wkt to have a green tinge.

mike

In message <97803bfc-256c-4470-828e-c2ab50105fe9n@googlegroups.com>,
mike <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>On Sunday, June 4, 2023 at 8:20:060 <snip>
>> Lacking a plausible candidate, they may decide that they might as well
>> pick another quick bowler, with Root providing any spin that's needed.

Though even if they end up not picking one in the XI, I suppose they
will want one in the squad, just in case they encounter a pitch that
looks like it's going to turn square.

>
>in that case we might expect the edgbaston wkt to have a green tinge.
>
>mike

Though England have said they want hard, fast, good batting pitches -
though whether given our weather it's possible to produce those
consistently is another matter. Such pitches are certainly the best if
you want to play Bazball, but I fear that they might play into
Australia's hands, as their players are a lot more accustomed to playing
on them than ours are.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

On Saturday, 3 June 2023 at 21:13:49 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:

> Though I'm a Surrey fan and a great admirer of Pope, I thought that
> Duckett should have won the Player of the Match award. I was mightily
> impressed by him. He hardly played a false shot, whereas until he
> reached 40 or so Pope was a bit more fallible..

Pope fallible? I see what you did there.

On Sunday, 4 June 2023 at 09:52:41 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
> In message <180d0b81-e7d5-4389...@googlegroups.com>,
> mike <dmik...@yahoo.co.uk> writes
> >On Saturday, June 3, 2023 at 9:13:490 >> In message <ke161i...@mid.individual.net>, David North
> >> <nos...@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
> >> >On 03/06/2023 10:46, mike wrote:
> >> >> On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 8:28:210 <snip>
> >> >>> It's a shame Tongue didn't get a bat.
> >> >>>
> >> >> IF he does in this match, england will have lost and it will be one
> >> >>of the greatest
> >> >> victorys ever.
> >> England could still have won by one wicket, and it would have been one
> >> of the most exciting Tests ever!
> >> >> Tector and tucker or someother will have to bat all day.
> >> MacBrine and Adair made a pretty good attempt at it. It's a pity neither
> >> got their hundred.
> >> >> Even though its only 4 days, and even if stokes didnt want to bat
> >> >> himself, he should have let brook and bairstow have a go.
> >> >As mentioned by Andy Zaltzman on TMS, Stokes is the first captain in
> >> >Test history not to bat, bowl or keep wicket in a match that his team
> >> >won.
> >
> >more significantly when he took the catch off root he clearly jarred
> >his knee. wasnt a good sign. afterwards when isa was interviewing
> >him alongside vaughn and cook, he seemed very defensive, played
> >down the importance of the ashes, didnt answer any qs directly.
> >it seemed very awkward and was even uncomfortable to watch.
> >he claimed his knee was ok, was never planning to bowl in this
> >match but didnt say whether he could in the ashes.
> IIRC, when he was interviewed on Sky he didn't seem particularly
> defensive and said he would be bowling in the Ashes.
> > he turned
> >his arm over in the warmup b4 the start, well barely. perhaps he
> >can be a non playing captain like in the ryder cup. when asked
> >what they planned to do until the 1st test, he mentioned golf,
> >which seeing what happened to bairstow, seems a bit dodgy.
> Bairstow's was very much a freak accident that could have happened
> almost anywhere. I don't regard golf as a high-risk activity. Now if
> they were planning to go sky-diving or bungee jumping... :)

Indeed. While only an England cricketer could break his leg playing golf, a repetition seems pretty unlikely.

In message <2e919403-a81a-4a25-90d6-cd19ea060f3an@googlegroups.com>,
David North <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On Sunday, 4 June 2023 at 09:52:41 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
<snip>
>> Bairstow's was very much a freak accident that could have happened
>> almost anywhere. I don't regard golf as a high-risk activity. Now if
>> they were planning to go sky-diving or bungee jumping... :)
>
>Indeed. While only an England cricketer could break his leg playing
>golf, a repetition seems pretty unlikely.
>

ISTR that Derek Pringle once missed a Test because he pulled a muscle
while writing a letter.
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"

In message <42a1aa7c-edfe-47a8-8d40-338b30c678d4n@googlegroups.com>,
David North <nospam@lane-farm.fsnet.co.uk> writes
>On Saturday, 3 June 2023 at 21:13:49 UTC+1, John Hall wrote:
>
>> Though I'm a Surrey fan and a great admirer of Pope, I thought that
>> Duckett should have won the Player of the Match award. I was mightily
>> impressed by him. He hardly played a false shot, whereas until he
>> reached 40 or so Pope was a bit more fallible..
>
>Pope fallible? I see what you did there.

On this occasional it was accidental, I must confess (to keep the
religious them going).
--
John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps,
like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed
its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps."
Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place"