Tim+ said:
> Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>> In article <20231117130349.058fa1b3b2a99eb8166b5a98@eircom.net>, Ahem A
>> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 13:03:49 awoke
>> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 12:34:31 +0000
>>> Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/11/2023 11:44, vickiebee wrote:
>>>>> this dinosaur still uses a desktop
>>>>
>>>> Nowt wrong with that. I've got two on the go.
>>>
>>> Makes three of us using desktops - at least (although my desktop is a tower
>>> under the desk).
>
> I am so far ahead of you all in the dotage stage apparently. I only boot up
> my PC if I absolutely have to, otherwise I use my iPad or phone. Can’t
> imagine waiting to boot up a PC to read and post a few newsgrope massages,
> buying stuff, booking tickets, sending e-men, general web browsing etc,
> etc.

You leave your other gadgets running ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Hymermut wrote:
[desktops]
>
> Got 2.72 TB on one of them.1.36 on t'other.
>
> Should be enuff for me music.
>
> Tone
I guess so! What do you like best? Folk and rock? I also collect music,
but have more vinyl than terabytes... everything from Beethoven, Billie
Holiday, Brubeck, and the Beatles.

Hey, did your see? Vinyl is coming back! I think it sounds richer than
digital.
v

--
https://www.thefarside.com/

Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <20231117130349.058fa1b3b2a99eb8166b5a98@eircom.net>, Ahem
> A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Fri, 17 Nov 2023 at 13:03:49
> awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 12:34:31 +0000 Hymermut <tone@email.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/11/2023 11:44, vickiebee wrote:
>>>> this dinosaur still uses a desktop
>>>
>>> Nowt wrong with that. I've got two on the go.
>>
>> Makes three of us using desktops - at least (although my desktop is
>> a tower under the desk).
>>
> Makes 4 of us. I have a topflat only for lounging with when in bed.
> It has nothing stored on it or applications worth talking about.
>
> A tower is so much more versatile, particularly when home built, and
> is capable of having more, so much more, peripherals hanging off
> them.
>
~~~
My last PC was a HP - 21.5" All-In-One - Intel Celeron - 4GB Memory.

I really like it, no tower to mess with. My needs are simple, I'm not a
gamer (except for Cryptograms and crossword puzzles). I do a lot of
research, keep a journal, used to write a political blog (back when I
thought George W. Bush was the worst we could do), pay bills online,
family email.

I don't bank online, and I backup a lot of stuff on paper - addys,
passwords. I still like to look at family pictures in a old-fashioned
album. Cell phones drive me crazy. I still have a landline... which my
neighbors came over to use when an ice storm knocked our power out for days.
v --
https://www.thefarside.com/

Adrian wrote:
> In message <uj7jnc$2pfrj$1@dont-email.me>, vickiebee
> <prairiedove73505@aol.com> writes
>
> <waves to V>
>
>> v - when I fall off the radar, it's usually because my PC died.
>> Yes, this dinosaur still uses a desktop.
>
> Some of us resemble that remark. Actually, it's three desktops if
> anyone is keeping count.
>
> Adrian
~~~
Way to go, Adrian. I hope the world is treating you well. At the risk of
sounding like a 'you kids get off my lawn' grump, I must say it bothers
me how the world is changing... like when the record stores closed down,
we lost the experience of getting in our cars, driving to the music
store, walking around and browsing... when I was a kid they'd let me
listen to little 45's in a sound-proof booth. I also miss book stores,
and my city library is slowly dying... I love books, the way they smell
and feel in your hands.

Sorry to ramble on so...
v

--
https://www.thefarside.com/

Hymermut wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 19:37, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On 17 Nov 2023 19:24:33 GMT Tim+ <tim.downie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am so far ahead of you all in the dotage stage apparently. I
>>> only boot up my PC if I absolutely have to, otherwise I use my
>>> iPad or phone.
>>
>> I never shut mine down, it only gets rebooted for kernel updates.
>>
>
> I don't ever shut mine down. I don't do updates either.
>
> Tone
~~~
Eek, I only plug mine in for 2 or 3 hours a day. Is that bad? I got into
the habit because we have sudden leckky storms with big lightning boomers.
v --
https://www.thefarside.com/

On 18/11/2023 00:31, vickiebee wrote:
>> I don't ever shut mine down. I don't do updates either.
>>
>> Tone
> ~~~
> Eek, I only plug mine in for 2 or 3 hours a day. Is that bad? I got into
> the habit because we have sudden leckky storms with big lightning boomers.

I was told by somebody that knows these things that more wear and tear
is likely to be done to 'puters by shutting them down and restarting
them than by leaving them on, or in sleep mode.

I'm sure knowledgeable sheddi will either confirm or poo poo this.

Tone

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 01:19:34 +0000
Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:

> > Eek, I only plug mine in for 2 or 3 hours a day. Is that bad? I got into
> > the habit because we have sudden leckky storms with big lightning
> > boomers.

Probably the best thing you can do.

> I was told by somebody that knows these things that more wear and tear
> is likely to be done to 'puters by shutting them down and restarting
> them than by leaving them on, or in sleep mode.

This is certainly true if you use spinning rust for storage, with
SSDs not so much.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 17/11/2023 12:34, Hymermut wrote:
> On 17/11/2023 11:44, vickiebee wrote:
>> this dinosaur still uses a desktop

> Nowt wrong with that. I've got two on the go.

Glad to hear arRusty's OK.

One desktop and one flotpat here still in jbexvat beqre; both are
penguin homes.

--
Regards,
Andrew.

On 18/11/2023 00:02, vickiebee wrote:

> Hey, did your see? Vinyl is coming back! I think it sounds richer than
> digital.
> v
A common feeling. From personal experience of recording and editing
choral and orchestral music, I know that CD can give a more accurate
rendition of what was played at the session than any analogue device.
This is not the same as a "rich" or "warm" sound.

When mastering for any analogue output, I need to be vary careful about
what I put on the master, due to the physical limitations of the
recording cutter and the playback device, (Or the heads and the magnetic
material on the tape) and this results in a more mellow sound than the
real thing. The frequency response is more limited, especially at the
high end, and the signal on CD is less distorted. Vinyl is also less
capable of providing a wide dynamic range, though there is a regrettable
tendency to reduce the range when editing a CD to make it sound louder.
Even conductors and musicians prefer the limited dynamic range that
results from mastering for vinyl or squishing the dynamic range on CD.
They play from ppp, to fff, but like to listen between p and ff, with
the high frequency edginess at least reduced.

Another aspect that makes people prefer vinyl is the ritual of cleaning
the disc, and setting up the system, rather than the digital experience
of just putting the disc in the slot or selecting the file and playing
it. Making the effort makes it seem more worthwhile.

MP3 and other lossy compressed digital formats are the modern equivalent
of the cassette. You can get some very impressive sounds, but they are
nothing like the real thing.

Our corroded mutual friend, does, of course, disagree with me, and has
made and sold some very good playback equipment to get the best possible
result out of vinyl playback.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 2023-11-18, Hymermut <tone@email.com> wrote:
> On 18/11/2023 00:31, vickiebee wrote:
>>> I don't ever shut mine down. I don't do updates either.
>>>
>>> Tone
>> ~~~
>> Eek, I only plug mine in for 2 or 3 hours a day. Is that bad? I got into
>> the habit because we have sudden leckky storms with big lightning boomers.
>
> I was told by somebody that knows these things that more wear and tear
> is likely to be done to 'puters by shutting them down and restarting
> them than by leaving them on, or in sleep mode.
>
> I'm sure knowledgeable sheddi will either confirm or poo poo this.
>
> Tone

IMHO, yes, I am more afraid of the batteries causing trouble when
leaving on all night. Laptop, Thinkpad.

--
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BringBack(Bonking)Boris..

On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 18:24:42 -0600
vickiebee <prairiedove73505@aol.com> wrote:

> Adrian wrote:
> > In message <uj7jnc$2pfrj$1@dont-email.me>, vickiebee
> > <prairiedove73505@aol.com> writes
> >
> > <waves to V>
> >
> >> v - when I fall off the radar, it's usually because my PC died.
> >> Yes, this dinosaur still uses a desktop.
> >
> > Some of us resemble that remark. Actually, it's three desktops if
> > anyone is keeping count.
> >
> > Adrian
> ~~~
> Way to go, Adrian. I hope the world is treating you well. At the risk of
> sounding like a 'you kids get off my lawn' grump, I must say it bothers
> me how the world is changing... like when the record stores closed down,
> we lost the experience of getting in our cars, driving to the music
> store, walking around and browsing... when I was a kid they'd let me
> listen to little 45's in a sound-proof booth. I also miss book stores,
> and my city library is slowly dying... I love books, the way they smell
> and feel in your hands.
>
> Sorry to ramble on so...
> v
I recently (re-)read My Bryson's /Lost Continent/. It has that nostalgic
look at the US he was growing up in. I (UK) never got to see or use a
record booth, or twirl on a stool at a drugstore counter. WIWAL the
nearest we had was the 'Ice-cream Parlour' that also had an impressive
espresso machine (and gossipy mums smoking a lot).

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:40:51 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> The frequency response is more limited, especially at the
> high end, and the signal on CD is less distorted. Vinyl is also less
> capable of providing a wide dynamic range, though there is a regrettable
> tendency to reduce the range when editing a CD to make it sound louder.
> Even conductors and musicians prefer the limited dynamic range that
> results from mastering for vinyl or squishing the dynamic range on CD.
> They play from ppp, to fff, but like to listen between p and ff, with
> the high frequency edginess at least reduced.

It's been a long time but back when my ears were young and I owned
high end record playing gear I had a few half speed mastered records that
had noticeably greater dynamic range and high frequency fidelity than CDs.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Hymermut wrote:
> On 18/11/2023 00:31, vickiebee wrote:
>>> I don't ever shut mine down. I don't do updates either.
>>>
>>> Tone
>> ~~~ Eek, I only plug mine in for 2 or 3 hours a day. Is that bad? I
>> got into the habit because we have sudden leckky storms with big
>> lightning boomers.
>
> I was told by somebody that knows these things that more wear and
> tear is likely to be done to 'puters by shutting them down and
> restarting them than by leaving them on, or in sleep mode.
>
> I'm sure knowledgeable sheddi will either confirm or poo poo this.
>
> Tone
~~~
Welluh, I checked with a techie over in Quora:

"Should a PC always be plugged in?
Depends on the computer. If it is a laptop I wouldn't leave it plugged
in, unless you want to ruin the battery. If it was a desktop then sure,
but I would recommend having surge protector even a battery backup with
surge protector as well (even for laptops) so that way you wouldn't risk
frying or bricking them."

Frying? Bricking? I think I'm wandering too far out into the weeds...
;) My brian isn't wired that way.
v --
https://www.thefarside.com/

John Williamson wrote:
> On 18/11/2023 00:02, vickiebee wrote:
>
>> Hey, did your see? Vinyl is coming back! I think it sounds richer
>> than digital. v
> A common feeling. From personal experience of recording and editing
> choral and orchestral music, I know that CD can give a more accurate
> rendition of what was played at the session than any analogue
> device. This is not the same as a "rich" or "warm" sound.
>
> When mastering for any analogue output, I need to be vary careful
> about what I put on the master, due to the physical limitations of
> the recording cutter and the playback device, (Or the heads and the
> magnetic material on the tape) and this results in a more mellow
> sound than the real thing. The frequency response is more limited,
> especially at the high end, and the signal on CD is less distorted.
> Vinyl is also less capable of providing a wide dynamic range, though
> there is a regrettable tendency to reduce the range when editing a CD
> to make it sound louder. Even conductors and musicians prefer the
> limited dynamic range that results from mastering for vinyl or
> squishing the dynamic range on CD. They play from ppp, to fff, but
> like to listen between p and ff, with the high frequency edginess at
> least reduced.
>
> Another aspect that makes people prefer vinyl is the ritual of
> cleaning the disc, and setting up the system, rather than the digital
> experience of just putting the disc in the slot or selecting the file
> and playing it. Making the effort makes it seem more worthwhile.
>
> MP3 and other lossy compressed digital formats are the modern
> equivalent of the cassette. You can get some very impressive sounds,
> but they are nothing like the real thing.
>
> Our corroded mutual friend, does, of course, disagree with me, and
> has made and sold some very good playback equipment to get the best
> possible result out of vinyl playback.
>
>
~~~~
Wow John, you really sound like you know what you're talking about. I
went to Google for more:

"There are paradigmatic differences between the sound quality of vinyl
records and digital formats. The former tends to be deeper, richer,
warmer, and of a more rounded quality. The latter tends to be more
clean, polished, and slick, of a more trebly, high-end quality."

That word "paradigmatic" almost stopped me in my tracks... but the rest
of it sums up how I feel.

v - stocked up on enough stylusses - styli? - to last my lifetime

--
https://www.thefarside.com/

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 10:26:50 +0000
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> I recently (re-)read My Bryson's /Lost Continent/. It has that nostalgic
> look at the US he was growing up in. I (UK) never got to see or use a
> record booth, or twirl on a stool at a drugstore counter.

I recall using headphones in open soundproofed booths (like the
minimalist phone booths) to listen to singles in a record shop sometime in
the 1970s and enclosed booths to try out guitars in a music shop around the
same time but never twirling on a stool at a drugstore counter.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 04:44:08 -0600
vickiebee <prairiedove73505@aol.com> wrote:

> Welluh, I checked with a techie over in Quora:
>
> "Should a PC always be plugged in?
> Depends on the computer. If it is a laptop I wouldn't leave it plugged
> in, unless you want to ruin the battery. If it was a desktop then sure,

That's good advice - although some laptops (the work Macbook for
example) do their own battery protection by turning off the charging
circuitry from time to time.

> but I would recommend having surge protector even a battery backup with
> surge protector as well (even for laptops) so that way you wouldn't risk

This is good advice, especially in areas subject to frequent
lightning.

> frying or bricking them."
>
> Frying? Bricking? I think I'm wandering too far out into the weeds...

Frying: Power surge damaged components due to excess voltage being applied.

Bricking: Anything that turns an expensive piece of electronics into a
non-functional object that might as well be brick. More commonly used to
describe the outcome of inadvisable software updates on phones and the like.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

In article <20231118101404.81ea01a4bd12dbb3e34a478a@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Sat, 18 Nov 2023 at 10:14:04 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 08:40:51 +0000
>John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> The frequency response is more limited, especially at the
>> high end, and the signal on CD is less distorted. Vinyl is also less
>> capable of providing a wide dynamic range, though there is a regrettable
>> tendency to reduce the range when editing a CD to make it sound louder.
>> Even conductors and musicians prefer the limited dynamic range that
>> results from mastering for vinyl or squishing the dynamic range on CD.
>> They play from ppp, to fff, but like to listen between p and ff, with
>> the high frequency edginess at least reduced.
>
> It's been a long time but back when my ears were young

As a sprog I felt there was an inherent injustice in the young not being
able to afford high end replay equipment in order to get the best
enjoyment of my music choices. By the time I could afford such
equipment, my ears were no longer able to give me the best enjoyment of
my music choices.

The Paradox has always been such.

> and I owned
>high end record playing gear I had a few half speed mastered records that
>had noticeably greater dynamic range and high frequency fidelity than CDs.
>

--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 18/11/2023 10:58, vickiebee wrote:
> Wow John, you really sound like you know what you're talking about. I
> went to Google for more:
>
> "There are paradigmatic differences between the sound quality of vinyl
> records and digital formats. The former tends to be deeper, richer,
> warmer, and of a more rounded quality. The latter tends to be more
> clean, polished, and slick, of a more trebly, high-end quality."
>
I can get a deeper, richer, and warmer sound off my CDs by using the
tone controls. I can't get the brighter, more detailed sound of a CD off
vinyl, as the information is not there on the disc. I prefer accurate,
though for a lot of the stuff I listen to, accurate is an illusion, as
it has been recorded over a period of weeks, and, often the musicians
haven't even met each other in the studio. Then the engineer uses
effects on the mix, including, on occasion, an old tape recorder or
simulator thereof to get that warm, mellow, distorted sound that
analogue tape inevitably has.

I know a lot of people prefer analogue, but the figures back me up when
I say CD is a more accurate reproduction. The major distortion in both
cases is where the original sound is turned into an electrical signal
and vice versa. For real High Fidelity, you need excellent speakers (
Allow a couple of grand a pair, minimum) and an acoustically treated
room. (Allow for things like patches of sound absorbing foam in just the
right places on the ceiling and walls, as well as just the right balance
between soft furnishings, and rugs on the uncarpeted floor. Having the
floor and ceiling parallel is not a good idea, not is having airs of
parallel walls. Even then, to hear all the detail on a well recorded CD,
you need to put up with the unnatural listening experience of a pair of
what the professionals call "in ear monitors", which makes the listening
room irrelevant. There is one studio, in New York if I remember
correctly, where on decent equipment, you can hear the subway rumbling
past, and that's a good fifty feet down below the soundproofed,
suspended studio floor in solid rock. Oddly enough, you only hear it on
CDs, not vinyl, and they are using the same master tapes for both.

Some early CDs did have a brittle sound, as well as oddities in quiet
passages, but that was due to the poor quality of even the best analogue
to digital converters of the time.

The one thing I can't understand is that they are stocking cassettes in
supermarkets again, and they aren't even the Chrome Dioxide types, just
plain iron oxide. Presumably, people are using them for some unknown
reason. Maybe they have hearing problems, and the HF response of the
digital stuff hurts their ears?

> That word "paradigmatic" almost stopped me in my tracks... but the rest
> of it sums up how I feel.
>
> v - stocked up on enough stylusses - styli? - to last my lifetime
>
They don't last long, do they? Cartridges also have a limited life.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:59:00 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Some early CDs did have a brittle sound, as well as oddities in quiet
> passages, but that was due to the poor quality of even the best analogue
> to digital converters of the time.

I always assumed it was due to the analogue low pass filters needed
to cut off everything above half the sample rate.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 18/11/2023 13:25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:59:00 +0000
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Some early CDs did have a brittle sound, as well as oddities in quiet
>> passages, but that was due to the poor quality of even the best analogue
>> to digital converters of the time.
>
> I always assumed it was due to the analogue low pass filters needed
> to cut off everything above half the sample rate.
>
Some of the early "16 bit" converters were lucky to get 14 bits of
accurate conversion.

Now, they use double or higher frequency sampling and do the filtering
in software. 192 kHz sample rate is common in studios.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 18/11/2023 14:06, John Williamson wrote:
> On 18/11/2023 13:25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 12:59:00 +0000
>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Some early CDs did have a brittle sound, as well as oddities in quiet
>>> passages, but that was due to the poor quality of even the best analogue
>>> to digital converters of the time.
>>
>> I always assumed it was due to the analogue low pass filters needed
>> to cut off everything above half the sample rate.
>>
> Some of the early "16 bit" converters were lucky to get 14 bits of
> accurate conversion.
>
> Now, they use double or higher frequency sampling and do the filtering
> in software. 192 kHz sample rate is common in studios.
>
The modern converters are so good, some can even accurately reproduce
the effect of Brownian motion on the microphone diaphragm, as well as
the thermal noise in the preamp stage.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 14:06:15 +0000
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Now, they use double or higher frequency sampling and do the filtering
> in software. 192 kHz sample rate is common in studios.

For sure, you can even get 192kHz, 24 bit on PCs although most only
go to 96kHz.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

In message <uj908d$30td9$1@dont-email.me>, vickiebee
<prairiedove73505@aol.com> writes
>Way to go, Adrian. I hope the world is treating you well. At the risk of
>sounding like a 'you kids get off my lawn' grump, I must say it bothers
>me how the world is changing... like when the record stores closed down,
>we lost the experience of getting in our cars, driving to the music
>store, walking around and browsing... when I was a kid they'd let me
>listen to little 45's in a sound-proof booth. I also miss book stores,
>and my city library is slowly dying... I love books, the way they smell
>and feel in your hands.
>

Same here. We used to have a really good music (largely CD) shop in the
town centre. I used to pop in from time to time, usually when something
had caught my ear. I bumped into the owner one day, and he informed me
that he was having a closing down sale, so I went in and picked up a
several of bargains.

Our last independent book shop went some time ago. In both cases I
suspect (although it wasn't mentioned) that the strong ladies were
largely responsible.

I might be unusual, but I try and ohl locally if I can, only going
online if there isn't a local source, which for anything beyond food and
clothing is becoming more often.

>Sorry to ramble on so...

What else is there to do on a damp Saturday afternoon ?

Adrian
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On 2023-11-18, vickiebee <prairiedove73505@aol.com> wrote:
> Hymermut wrote:
>> On 18/11/2023 00:31, vickiebee wrote:
>>>> I don't ever shut mine down. I don't do updates either.
>>>>
>>>> Tone
>>> ~~~ Eek, I only plug mine in for 2 or 3 hours a day. Is that bad? I
>>> got into the habit because we have sudden leckky storms with big
>>> lightning boomers.
>>
>> I was told by somebody that knows these things that more wear and
>> tear is likely to be done to 'puters by shutting them down and
>> restarting them than by leaving them on, or in sleep mode.
>>
>> I'm sure knowledgeable sheddi will either confirm or poo poo this.
>>
>> Tone
> ~~~
> Welluh, I checked with a techie over in Quora:
>
> "Should a PC always be plugged in?
> Depends on the computer. If it is a laptop I wouldn't leave it plugged
> in, unless you want to ruin the battery."

That was true in the early days of lithium batteries. These days the
electronics can manage batteries better than you can. Leaving a laptop
plugged in will have no adverse effects. The really dangerous thing is to
let the battery go completely flat. Doing that just once can wreck it.

A lot of the battery care advice on the 'net is from the days before NiCd
switched over to NiMH.

--
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com
Wigan

On 2023-11-18, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2023 04:44:08 -0600
> vickiebee <prairiedove73505@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Welluh, I checked with a techie over in Quora:
>>
>> "Should a PC always be plugged in?
>> Depends on the computer. If it is a laptop I wouldn't leave it plugged
>> in, unless you want to ruin the battery. If it was a desktop then sure,
>
> That's good advice - although some laptops (the work Macbook for
> example) do their own battery protection by turning off the charging
> circuitry from time to time.

And every other laptop and phone made in the last ten years or more.

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Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com
Wigan