In message <78855d68e198de287862fbdf6e9fe324@www.novabbs.com>, dnorth
<usenet@lanefarm.plus.com> writes
>John Hall wrote:
>
>> In message <1e7a1949b32f4d1558308bfa56cfe73d@www.novabbs.com>, miked
>><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>
>>>trivia test again - warwicks made 490-1 on the 1st day, is this a record
>>>for runs in the CC on 1 day?
>
>> I'd be surprised if it was, given that a number of individual batsmen
>>have scored 300 in a day. I know in 1948 the touring Australians made
>>721 all out on the first day against Essex. I think Essex claimed that
>>they were the only side to bowl out Australia with a day!
>
>721 is the FC record. The CC record for both sides is 666 (Surrey 12-1
>to 619-5d, Northants 59-2) at Northampton in 1920.
>
>http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1920S/1920/ENG_LOCAL/CC/NORTHA
>NTS_SURREY_CC_25-27AUG1920.html
>
>For one side, the CC record is also by Surrey - 645-4 v Hampshire at
>The Oval in 1909.
>
>http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1900S/1909/ENG_LOCAL/CC/SURREY
>_HANTS_CC_06-08MAY1909.html
>
>https://stats.acscricket.com/Records/First_Class/Overall/Team/Most_Runs_
>in_Day_Both_Sides.html
>
>>>
>>>Also Lawrence opening the bowling and batting for surrey, been done many
>>>a time i'm sure, but i couldnt think of anyone called dan/daniel who'd
>>>had played for england before. Is there another?
>>>
>>>mike
>
>> I can't think of one. In fact the only other Dan/Daniel I could think
>>of who played Test cricket is NZ's Dan Vettori.
>
>Also Daniel Flynn (NZ), Dan Cullen (Aus), Danny Morrison (NZ), Dan
>Taylor (SA) ... and, of course, Wayne Daniel (WI), but no others for
>England.

Thanks, David. I should have remembered Danny Morrison, but (discounting
Wayne Daniel) the others are fairly obscure. It's a little surprising
that Lawrence is the first for England, given it's a reasonably common
name.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

John Hall wrote:

> In message <78855d68e198de287862fbdf6e9fe324@www.novabbs.com>, dnorth
> <usenet@lanefarm.plus.com> writes
>>John Hall wrote:
>>
>>> In message <1e7a1949b32f4d1558308bfa56cfe73d@www.novabbs.com>, miked
>>><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>
>>>>trivia test again - warwicks made 490-1 on the 1st day, is this a record
>>>>for runs in the CC on 1 day?
>>
>>> I'd be surprised if it was, given that a number of individual batsmen
>>>have scored 300 in a day. I know in 1948 the touring Australians made
>>>721 all out on the first day against Essex. I think Essex claimed that
>>>they were the only side to bowl out Australia with a day!
>>
>>721 is the FC record. The CC record for both sides is 666 (Surrey 12-1
>>to 619-5d, Northants 59-2) at Northampton in 1920.
>>
>>http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1920S/1920/ENG_LOCAL/CC/NORTHA
>>NTS_SURREY_CC_25-27AUG1920.html
>>
>>For one side, the CC record is also by Surrey - 645-4 v Hampshire at
>>The Oval in 1909.
>>
>>http://static.espncricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/1900S/1909/ENG_LOCAL/CC/SURREY
>>_HANTS_CC_06-08MAY1909.html

impressive, wonder what they called bazball back then?

as to the kball xperiment, i think its 4 rounds but in 2 rounds each, with
the 2nd set at the end of august. I've read that key/ecb also ordered groundsmen
to cut more of the grass off this april, which may account for the very flat pitches
in some matches. howver with 8pts for a draw now, its left both divs very even: did
essex get fined/docked for kushys big bat?

mike

In message <ce3a5c56236529f8ab92a34dddf6588e@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>as to the kball xperiment, i think its 4 rounds but in 2 rounds each,
>with the 2nd set at the end of august. I've read that key/ecb also
>ordered groundsmen to cut more of the grass off this april, which may
>account for the very flat pitches
>in some matches. howver with 8pts for a draw now, its left both divs
>very even: did essex get fined/docked for kushys big bat?

Not yet, AFAIK.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

John Hall wrote:

> In message <ce3a5c56236529f8ab92a34dddf6588e@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>as to the kball xperiment, i think its 4 rounds but in 2 rounds each,
>>with the 2nd set at the end of august. I've read that key/ecb also
>>ordered groundsmen to cut more of the grass off this april, which may
>>account for the very flat pitches

more on the kball; Broad said that in UK due to the "very different weather conditions, ground conditions
and moisture levels, the Kookaburra ball swells and goes soft very quickly with any moisture".

given how damp april usually is, it would be wiser to use it during say june july or august.
But Key thinks its been a success and wants to use it all season!

I've read that mahmood is finally fit and may play for lancs, hopefully hes still
the bowler he looked like in the windies so long ago. and apparently Vaughan jnr
is playing for the yorks 2nds. How quickly time goes by!

mike

In message <65a4c097fe333a714a473ca42016de30@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>John Hall wrote:
>
>> In message <ce3a5c56236529f8ab92a34dddf6588e@www.novabbs.com>, miked
>><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>as to the kball xperiment, i think its 4 rounds but in 2 rounds each,
>>>with the 2nd set at the end of august. I've read that key/ecb also
>>>ordered groundsmen to cut more of the grass off this april, which may
>>>account for the very flat pitches
>
>more on the kball; Broad said that in UK due to the "very different
>weather conditions, ground conditions and moisture levels, the
>Kookaburra ball swells and goes soft very quickly with any moisture".
>
>given how damp april usually is, it would be wiser to use it during say
>june july or august.
>But Key thinks its been a success and wants to use it all season!

Michael Vaughan is also in favour, pointing out that 43% (I think it
was) of overs have been bowled by spinners in the two rounds of the
Championship so far, compared to a far smaller percentage for the same
period last year.

>I've read that mahmood is finally fit and may play for lancs, hopefully
>hes still
>the bowler he looked like in the windies so long ago. and apparently
>Vaughan jnr
>is playing for the yorks 2nds. How quickly time goes by!
>
>mike

Indeed.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

In message <T7JrRZCSwBImFwzx@jhall_nospamxx.co.uk>, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> writes
>In message <65a4c097fe333a714a473ca42016de30@www.novabbs.com>, miked
><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>John Hall wrote:
>>
>>> In message <ce3a5c56236529f8ab92a34dddf6588e@www.novabbs.com>, miked
>>><dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>>>as to the kball xperiment, i think its 4 rounds but in 2 rounds
>>>>each, with the 2nd set at the end of august. I've read that key/ecb
>>>>also ordered groundsmen to cut more of the grass off this april,
>>>>which may account for the very flat pitches
>>
>>more on the kball; Broad said that in UK due to the "very different
>>weather conditions, ground conditions and moisture levels, the
>>Kookaburra ball swells and goes soft very quickly with any moisture".
>>
>>given how damp april usually is, it would be wiser to use it during
>>say june july or august.
>>But Key thinks its been a success and wants to use it all season!
>
>Michael Vaughan is also in favour, pointing out that 43% (I think it
>was) of overs have been bowled by spinners in the two rounds of the
>Championship so far, compared to a far smaller percentage for the same
>period last year.

Back to the Dukes ball today, and back to "normal" as far as the scores
are concerned it would seem.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

In message <19e8f599df2b543bccc0f7dc19415761@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>starts today.
>Still see Surrey as the strongest county [must be the richest too now]
>since they will have [barring injury] Pope Foakes Lawrence until July,
>plus a choice
>of seamers from Roach Atkinson Joverton Lawes Clark Worral Abbot as
>well as Jordan
>and Topley [although they prob wont play much FC cricket], even if
>Curran misses
>most of their CC games again.

Apparently the ECB asked Surrey to rest both Pope and Atkinson, though,
so Atkinson will have played only one of the first three matches.
Worrall is fit again, though, which is a big plus.

>However Durham could put out a very strong side too if all their
>players were available, Hants too but their batting looks a little weak.
>
>Wonder if both Somerset and Lancs have been told to play Bash and
>Hartley as often
>as possible in the CC and how Lyons arrival will affect selection?

Lancashire didn't play Hartley in their second match and he's not
playing again today, Lyon being the only spinner. I think Bashir has
played in all three of Somerset's matches.

>
>But as usual it looks wet and windy everywhere for at least the first 2 days.
>
>mike

Not the pleasantest day at Canterbury, by the look of it.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

John Hall wrote:

[i put both your posts together]

> Back to the Dukes ball today, and back to "normal" as far as the scores
> are concerned it would seem.

yes the usual order has been restored. but i dont think more 550-3 or 600
innings is going to make better england bowlers. i think tremain didnt
get many wkts in the 2 kball matches, whereas in the oz season just ended
i think he took 50 at 15 with them. if he cant master it in england, then
it might be the wrong ball for the english season.

> Apparently the ECB asked Surrey to rest both Pope and Atkinson, though,
> so Atkinson will have played only one of the first three matches.
> Worrall is fit again, though, which is a big plus.

clearly they want gus to be fit for the T20 but he hasnt played many
cricket matches since the WC [did he play once?], and i would think
pope needs as many innings as poss. Duckett rested too it seems, at least
hes not playing, but robbo back for sussex and crawley for kent although
worral got him early. Does worrall play in oz anymore?

>>However Durham could put out a very strong side too if all their
>>players were available, Hants too but their batting looks a little weak.
>>
>>Wonder if both Somerset and Lancs have been told to play Bash and
>>Hartley as often
>>as possible in the CC and how Lyons arrival will affect selection?

> Lancashire didn't play Hartley in their second match and he's not
> playing again today, Lyon being the only spinner. I think Bashir has
> played in all three of Somerset's matches.

i read that CA only let Lancs have Lyon for 7 games, so i expect he'll
play in all the early matches. rather ironic that england spinner is kept
out by an oz. perhaps lancs could loan out hartley!

meanwhile rocky flintoff excites the media with 50 on debut in the lancs 2nds
including 3 legside 6s.

mike

In message <938f3bda968cb8763754a18dbbb41699@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>John Hall wrote:
>
>
>[i put both your posts together]
>
>> Back to the Dukes ball today, and back to "normal" as far as the
>>scores are concerned it would seem.
>
>yes the usual order has been restored. but i dont think more 550-3 or 600
>innings is going to make better england bowlers. i think tremain didnt
>get many wkts in the 2 kball matches, whereas in the oz season just ended
>i think he took 50 at 15 with them. if he cant master it in england, then
>it might be the wrong ball for the english season.

I confess Tremain has slipped under my radar, and I know nothing about
him. Who is he playing for and what does he bowl?

>
>> Apparently the ECB asked Surrey to rest both Pope and Atkinson,
>>though, so Atkinson will have played only one of the first three
>>matches. Worrall is fit again, though, which is a big plus.
>
>
>clearly they want gus to be fit for the T20 but he hasnt played many
>cricket matches since the WC [did he play once?],

I'd have thought that playing too little would be just as much of a risk
to a player's fitness when he does finally play as playing too much
would be.

> and i would think
>pope needs as many innings as poss.

Me too.

> Duckett rested too it seems, at least
>hes not playing, but robbo back for sussex and crawley for kent although
>worral got him early. Does worrall play in oz anymore?

Looking on Cricinfo, he doesn't seem to have played in Australia in
2023-4, but played T20 in South Africa and then in the UAE.
>
>>>However Durham could put out a very strong side too if all their
>>>players were available, Hants too but their batting looks a little weak.
>>>
>>>Wonder if both Somerset and Lancs have been told to play Bash and
>>>Hartley as often
>>>as possible in the CC and how Lyons arrival will affect selection?
>
>> Lancashire didn't play Hartley in their second match and he's not
>>playing again today, Lyon being the only spinner. I think Bashir has
>>played in all three of Somerset's matches.
>
>i read that CA only let Lancs have Lyon for 7 games, so i expect he'll
>play in all the early matches. rather ironic that england spinner is kept
>out by an oz.

Apparently CA have told Lancashire that, as there was so little play in
their first match, they can have Lyon for one extra game.

> perhaps lancs could loan out hartley!

Could well happen.
>
>meanwhile rocky flintoff excites the media with 50 on debut in the lancs 2nds
>including 3 legside 6s.
>mike

Ah, he must have failed to excite the Telegraph, as I didn't know that.
:)
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

John Hall wrote:

> In message <938f3bda968cb8763754a18dbbb41699@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>John Hall wrote:
>>
>>
>>[i put both your posts together]
>>
>>> Back to the Dukes ball today, and back to "normal" as far as the
>>>scores are concerned it would seem.
>>
>>yes the usual order has been restored. but i dont think more 550-3 or 600
>>innings is going to make better england bowlers. i think tremain didnt
>>get many wkts in the 2 kball matches, whereas in the oz season just ended
>>i think he took 50 at 15 with them. if he cant master it in england, then
>>it might be the wrong ball for the english season.

> I confess Tremain has slipped under my radar, and I know nothing about
> him. Who is he playing for and what does he bowl?

hes opening the bowling for northants, has done for NSW and Victoria in oz
and is medium/fast medium seamer. Most of the oz seamers in the the SS
arnt much faster than MF/FM. The really quick ones like Richardson and
Lance Morris are often injured like ours. I dont think hazel cummins and starc
played in the SS at all last season, so maybe the ECB are following
that plan.

>>
>>> Apparently the ECB asked Surrey to rest both Pope and Atkinson,
>>>though, so Atkinson will have played only one of the first three
>>>matches. Worrall is fit again, though, which is a big plus.
>>
>>
>>clearly they want gus to be fit for the T20 but he hasnt played many
>>cricket matches since the WC [did he play once?],

> I'd have thought that playing too little would be just as much of a risk
> to a player's fitness when he does finally play as playing too much
> would be.

yes agree.

mike

In message <938f3bda968cb8763754a18dbbb41699@www.novabbs.com>, miked
<dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>John Hall wrote:
>
>> Apparently the ECB asked Surrey to rest both Pope and Atkinson,
>>though, so Atkinson will have played only one of the first three
>>matches. Worrall is fit again, though, which is a big plus.
>
>
>clearly they want gus to be fit for the T20 but he hasnt played many
>cricket matches since the WC [did he play once?], and i would think
>pope needs as many innings as poss. Duckett rested too it seems, at least
>hes not playing, but robbo back for sussex and crawley for kent although
>worral got him early. Does worrall play in oz anymore?
<snip>

I've now read somewhere online (so it might not be correct) that the
ECB asked counties to rest their England players from two out of the
first seven rounds of Championship matches, but the counties could
choose which two matches it was. I hope that only applies to batsmen,
quick bowlers and the keeper, as I'd have thought that England's young
spinners need as many matches as they can get to gain experience. At
least Bashir already has a lot of overs under his belt on what look like
good batting pitches.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

John Hall wrote:

> In message <938f3bda968cb8763754a18dbbb41699@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes
>>John Hall wrote:
>>
>>> Apparently the ECB asked Surrey to rest both Pope and Atkinson,
>>>though, so Atkinson will have played only one of the first three
>>>matches. Worrall is fit again, though, which is a big plus.
>>
>>

seeing how many england players surrey have in all forms, its must be a
bit dissapointing that members etc arnt able to see them play the one
time when there arnt any england games til June/July. It didnt stop them
rolling kent over, but a full strength side would be a handful. Yorks
who lost rather tamely to midsex, have to do without root and brooke
i spose, although they might have bairstow back. 5 results in the last
round with the dukes despite the weather.

>>clearly they want gus to be fit for the T20 but he hasnt played many
>>cricket matches since the WC [did he play once?], and i would think
>>pope needs as many innings as poss. Duckett rested too it seems, at least
>>hes not playing, but robbo back for sussex and crawley for kent although
>>worral got him early. Does worrall play in oz anymore?
> <snip>

> I've now read somewhere online (so it might not be correct) that the
> ECB asked counties to rest their England players from two out of the
> first seven rounds of Championship matches, but the counties could
> choose which two matches it was. I hope that only applies to batsmen,
> quick bowlers and the keeper, as I'd have thought that England's young
> spinners need as many matches as they can get to gain experience. At
> least Bashir already has a lot of overs under his belt on what look like
> good batting pitches.

Bash not having much sucess though and Hartley hasnt played yet. I dunno
why it should apply to Foakes.

mike

John Hall wrote:

> In message <938f3bda968cb8763754a18dbbb41699@www.novabbs.com>, miked
> <dmike204@yahoo.co.uk> writes

>>meanwhile rocky flintoff excites the media with 50 on debut in the lancs 2nds
>>including 3 legside 6s.
>>mike

> Ah, he must have failed to excite the Telegraph, as I didn't know that.
> :)

now hes made 100 against warwicks batting for a while with
older bro Corey.

https://live.nvplay.com/ecb/?tab=m_scorecard#m95fcca02-3916-4fad-bd22-aa9c50cf3edf

mike