Is it possible to qb ROT13 in recent thunderguts? I'm migrating to an arj
putery thing.

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On 22-Jan-24 21:48, me9 wrote:
> Is it possible to qb ROT13 in recent thunderguts? I'm migrating to an arj
> putery thing.

Dunno. I gave up trying, and just use https://rot13.com.

Less convenient than something built in, but it jbexes.

--
Sam Plusnet

me9 wrote:

> Is it possible to qb ROT13 in recent thunderguts?

I goove the various add-ons that used to do it (leetkey, mnenhy) are too
far adrift now ...

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 00:27:34 +0000
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 22-Jan-24 21:48, me9 wrote:
> > Is it possible to qb ROT13 in recent thunderguts? I'm migrating to an arj
> > putery thing.
>
> Dunno. I gave up trying, and just use https://rot13.com.
>
> Less convenient than something built in, but it jbexes.
>
>
Simply run a DoSBox (r?) and my New!(ish)improved! rot13 decoder written
in pure x86!
(grdb hexdump of rotp1b)

-> d 100 l3F
1634:0100 BA E6 0D A1-82 00 2D 30-30 72 04 86-E0 D5 0A 3C ......-00r.....<
1634:0110 00 76 02 88-C6 B4 3F B5-C3 CD 21 91-E3 FA 89 D6 .v....?...!.....
1634:0120 51 AC 24 DF-2C 41 2C 1A-18 E4 00 F0-D6 21 D0 00 Q.$.,A,......!..
1634:0130 E0 00 44-FF E2 EB 59-43 B4 40 CD-21 4B EB D6 ..D...YC.@.!K..
-> q

As you can see (exercise for reader) it accepts a parameter for the
rotamt, default is 13.

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"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:20240123101150.b206972830c361cdd4facb05@127.0.0.1:

> Simply run a DoSBox (r?) and my New!(ish)improved! rot13 decoder
> written in pure x86!
> (grdb hexdump of rotp1b)
>
> -> d 100 l3F
> 1634:0100 BA E6 0D A1-82 00 2D 30-30 72 04 86-E0 D5 0A 3C
> ......-00r.....< 1634:0110 00 76 02 88-C6 B4 3F B5-C3 CD 21 91-E3 FA
> 89 D6 .v....?...!..... 1634:0120 51 AC 24 DF-2C 41 2C 1A-18 E4 00
> F0-D6 21 D0 00 Q.$.,A,......!.. 1634:0130 E0 00 44-FF E2 EB 59-43 B4
> 40 CD-21 4B EB D6 ..D...YC.@.!K.. -> q
>
> As you can see (exercise for reader) it accepts a parameter for the
> rotamt, default is 13.

"Simply.." <raises eyebrow>

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Peter
-----

On 23/01/2024 09:45, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> me9 wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to qb ROT13 in recent thunderguts?
>
> I goove the various add-ons that used to do it (leetkey, mnenhy) are too
> far adrift now ...
>
Ah Leetkey those were the days did; Rot13, Morse, leet speak all
sorts, well in the past now though.

Peter said:
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
> news:20240123101150.b206972830c361cdd4facb05@127.0.0.1:
>
>> Simply run a DoSBox (r?) and my New!(ish)improved! rot13 decoder
>> written in pure x86!
>> (grdb hexdump of rotp1b)
>>
>> -> d 100 l3F
>> 1634:0100 BA E6 0D A1-82 00 2D 30-30 72 04 86-E0 D5 0A 3C
>> ......-00r.....< 1634:0110 00 76 02 88-C6 B4 3F B5-C3 CD 21 91-E3 FA
>> 89 D6 .v....?...!..... 1634:0120 51 AC 24 DF-2C 41 2C 1A-18 E4 00
>> F0-D6 21 D0 00 Q.$.,A,......!.. 1634:0130 E0 00 44-FF E2 EB 59-43 B4
>> 40 CD-21 4B EB D6 ..D...YC.@.!K.. -> q
>>
>> As you can see (exercise for reader) it accepts a parameter for the
>> rotamt, default is 13.
>
> "Simply.." <raises eyebrow>

A B C D E F G H I J K L M
N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.

In vim, select and 'g?'

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 10:11:50 +0000
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> Simply run a DoSBox (r?) and my New!(ish)improved! rot13 decoder written
> in pure x86!
> (grdb hexdump of rotp1b)
>
> -> d 100 l3F
> 1634:0100 BA E6 0D A1-82 00 2D 30-30 72 04 86-E0 D5 0A
> 3C ......-00r.....< 1634:0110 00 76 02 88-C6 B4 3F B5-C3 CD 21 91-E3 FA
> 89 D6 .v....?...!..... 1634:0120 51 AC 24 DF-2C 41 2C 1A-18 E4 00 F0-D6
> 21 D0 00 Q.$.,A,......!.. 1634:0130 E0 00 44-FF E2 EB 59-43 B4 40 CD-21
> 4B EB D6 ..D...YC.@.!K.. -> q
>
> As you can see (exercise for reader) it accepts a parameter for the
> rotamt, default is 13.

I prefer this implementation:

#!/bin/sh
tr '[A-Za-z]' '[N-ZA-Mn-za-m]'

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Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:16:55 +0000
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 10:11:50 +0000
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>
> > Simply run a DoSBox (r?) and my New!(ish)improved! rot13 decoder written
> > in pure x86!
> > (grdb hexdump of rotp1b)
> >
> > -> d 100 l3F
> > 1634:0100 BA E6 0D A1-82 00 2D 30-30 72 04 86-E0 D5 0A
> > 3C ......-00r.....< 1634:0110 00 76 02 88-C6 B4 3F B5-C3 CD 21 91-E3 FA
> > 89 D6 .v....?...!..... 1634:0120 51 AC 24 DF-2C 41 2C 1A-18 E4 00 F0-D6
> > 21 D0 00 Q.$.,A,......!.. 1634:0130 E0 00 44-FF E2 EB 59-43 B4 40 CD-21
> > 4B EB D6 ..D...YC.@.!K.. -> q
> >
> > As you can see (exercise for reader) it accepts a parameter for the
> > rotamt, default is 13.
>
> I prefer this implementation:
>
> #!/bin/sh
> tr '[A-Za-z]' '[N-ZA-Mn-za-m]'
>

Fair enough; I've implemented a version of 'tr' for DOS that can do that.

-> d 100 l53
16AD:0100 BE 53 01 88-18 FE C3 75-FA BF 83 00-89 FA B0 20 .S.....u.......
16AD:0110 F2 AE F3 AE-89 C5 30 CD-74 02 88 02-95 87 FA 80 ......0.t.......
16AD:0120 3D 2D 75 07-40 3A 45 01-76 EC AF 8A-05 47 3C 27 =-u.@:E.v....G<'
16AD:0130 75 E4 B6 03-B4 3F B5 FD-CD 21 89 D7-91 E3 C7 89 u....?...!......
16AD:0140 F3 51 8A 05-D7 AA E2 FA-59 B4 40 BB-01 00 CD 21 .Q......Y.@....!
16AD:0150 4B EB E1 K..
-> q

> --
> Steve O'Hara-Smith
> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
> For forms of government let fools contest
> Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Peter said:
>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
>> news:20240123101150.b206972830c361cdd4facb05@127.0.0.1:
>>
>>> Simply run a DoSBox (r?) and my New!(ish)improved! rot13 decoder
>>> written in pure x86!
>>> (grdb hexdump of rotp1b)
>>>
>>> -> d 100 l3F
>>> 1634:0100 BA E6 0D A1-82 00 2D 30-30 72 04 86-E0 D5 0A 3C
>>> ......-00r.....< 1634:0110 00 76 02 88-C6 B4 3F B5-C3 CD 21 91-E3 FA
>>> 89 D6 .v....?...!..... 1634:0120 51 AC 24 DF-2C 41 2C 1A-18 E4 00
>>> F0-D6 21 D0 00 Q.$.,A,......!.. 1634:0130 E0 00 44-FF E2 EB 59-43 B4
>>> 40 CD-21 4B EB D6 ..D...YC.@.!K.. -> q
>>>
>>> As you can see (exercise for reader) it accepts a parameter for the
>>> rotamt, default is 13.
>>
>> "Simply.." <raises eyebrow>
>
> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.

Gosh!
This paper stuff is jolly clever.
Are there any more things you can use it for?

--
Sam Plusnet

On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 18:13:53 +0000
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 14:16:55 +0000
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
> > I prefer this implementation:
> >
> > #!/bin/sh
> > tr '[A-Za-z]' '[N-ZA-Mn-za-m]'
> >
>
> Fair enough; I've implemented a version of 'tr' for DOS that can do that.

I used to have a set of unix utilities for DOS, including a shell,
it made DOS much more tolerable. Pretty much everything worked apart from &

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Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
> > Peter said:
> > > "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
> > > news:20240123101150.b206972830c361cdd4facb05@127.0.0.1:
> >>
> > > > Simply run a DoSBox (r?) and my New!(ish)improved! rot13 decoder
> > > > written in pure x86! (grdb hexdump of rotp1b)
> >>>
> > > > -> d 100 l3F 1634:0100 BA E6 0D A1-82 00 2D 30-30 72 04
> > > > 86-E0 D5 0A 3C ......-00r.....< 1634:0110 00 76 02 88-C6 B4 3F B5-C3
> > > > CD 21 91-E3 FA 89 D6 .v....?...!..... 1634:0120 51 AC 24 DF-2C 41
> > > > 2C 1A-18 E4 00 F0-D6 21 D0 00 Q.$.,A,......!.. 1634:0130 E0 00
> > > > 44-FF E2 EB 59-43 B4 40 CD-21 4B EB D6 ..D...YC.@.!K.. ->
> > > > q
> >>>
> > > > As you can see (exercise for reader) it accepts a parameter for the
> > > > rotamt, default is 13.
> >>
> > > "Simply.." <raises eyebrow>
> >
> > A B C D E F G H I J K L M
> > N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
> > Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>
> Gosh! This paper stuff is jolly clever. Are there any more things you can
> use it for?
>
I did that 500+ fortnights ago, but hfrd pritstick as it was handy.

Any suggestions for a sheddi friendly arjfreader for widnose 11? I
downloaded Pan but it won't connect.

--
braind

Sam Plusnet said:
> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>
>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>
> Gosh!
> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
> Are there any more things you can use it for?

You can make little gliders that fall to the floor halfway across the
room.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:19:35 -0000 (UTC)
Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:

> You can make little gliders that fall to the floor halfway across the
> room.

The best[1] paper gliders I have ever seen were folded out of the
lecture program in the Royal Society and tested in the lecture hall with
its steeply banked seating. Apparently it's a tradition among those with
FRS after their name. Sadly I can no longer recall what the lecture was
about, the paper gliders and the imposing setting made a far more lasting
impression.

[1] Well most sophisticated anyway.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

In article <20240124150200.07e77d840dafac157e149412@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 15:02:00 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 14:19:35 -0000 (UTC)
>Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> You can make little gliders that fall to the floor halfway across the
>> room.
>
> The best[1] paper gliders I have ever seen were folded out of the
>lecture program in the Royal Society and tested in the lecture hall with
>its steeply banked seating. Apparently it's a tradition among those with
>FRS after their name. Sadly I can no longer recall what the lecture was
>about, the paper gliders and the imposing setting made a far more lasting
>impression.

Christmas Lectures given at the Royal Institution perhaps?
>
>[1] Well most sophisticated anyway.
>
Did they not have a model glider competition in one of the old airship
sheds at Cardington, some extremely long duration flights being
achieved. I seem to remember seeing it on the idiots lantern at the
time.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 17:04:33 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> In article <20240124150200.07e77d840dafac157e149412@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 15:02:00 awoke

> > The best[1] paper gliders I have ever seen were folded out of the
> >lecture program in the Royal Society and tested in the lecture hall with
> >its steeply banked seating. Apparently it's a tradition among those with
> >FRS after their name. Sadly I can no longer recall what the lecture was
> >about, the paper gliders and the imposing setting made a far more lasting
> >impression.
>
> Christmas Lectures given at the Royal Institution perhaps?

No it was something the GFs father got us in to intended for the
fellows, most of the audience were fellows.

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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> writes:

> Sam Plusnet said:
>
>> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
>>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>>
>> Gosh!
>> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
>> Are there any more things you can use it for?

There's a clever use of which many people seem to be unaware:

You can use it for money! No computer, no electricity, no telecom
network, no built-in surveillance or remote digital record, just pass
it from hand to hand and a transaction is complete.

> You can make little gliders that fall to the floor halfway across the
> room.

That, too.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> writes:
>
> > Sam Plusnet said:
> >
> >> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
> >>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
> >>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
> >>
> >> Gosh!
> >> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
> >> Are there any more things you can use it for?
>
> There's a clever use of which many people seem to be unaware:
>
> You can use it for money! No computer, no electricity, no telecom
> network, no built-in surveillance or remote digital record, just pass
> it from hand to hand and a transaction is complete.
>
[...]

I have read that high denomination Eure notes now have RFID
incorporated. I don't know if that's true but in any case it's trivial
for ATM holes in the walls to record the serial number of every note
dispensed.

<https://www.fleur-de-coin.com/eurocoins/banknote-rfid>

--
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My pet rock Gordon just is.

On 24 Jan 2024 17:59:53 -0400
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

> You can use it for money! No computer, no electricity, no telecom
> network, no built-in surveillance

There are persistent rumours of RFID chips being embedded in some
banknotes, the ECB did say they were planning them for some Euro
denominations from 2005 but I've not seen it confirmed.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
For forms of government let fools contest
Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On 2024-01-24, Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
> Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> writes:
>
>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>
>>> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
>>>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>>>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>>>
>>> Gosh!
>>> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
>>> Are there any more things you can use it for?
>
> There's a clever use of which many people seem to be unaware:
>
> You can use it for money! No computer, no electricity, no telecom
> network, no built-in surveillance or remote digital record, just pass
> it from hand to hand and a transaction is complete.

And changable in every shop.```
>
>> You can make little gliders that fall to the floor halfway across the
>> room.
>
> That, too.
>

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Charles I, beheaded, Charles II, killed by doctors, What is happen to Chuck III?

On 23/01/2024 18:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>
>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>
> Gosh!
> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
> Are there any more things you can use it for?

You can stick it up your nefr.

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:53:43 +0000
snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

> I have read that high denomination Eure notes now have RFID
> incorporated.

Also $20 and up.

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Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

I'm still having problems working out what hot keys to use to find the inbox
of a second account. It seems strangely illogical and cluttered when Out
crop distress was so simple.
Brian

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"me9" <me9@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:mpro.s7on9700bml060214.me9@privacy.net...
> Is it possible to qb ROT13 in recent thunderguts? I'm migrating to an arj
> putery thing.
>
>
>
> --
> braind

On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:53:43 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> writes:
>>
>> > Sam Plusnet said:
>> >
>> >> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
>> >>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>> >>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>> >>
>> >> Gosh!
>> >> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
>> >> Are there any more things you can use it for?
>>
>> There's a clever use of which many people seem to be unaware:
>>
>> You can use it for money! No computer, no electricity, no telecom
>> network, no built-in surveillance or remote digital record, just pass
>> it from hand to hand and a transaction is complete.
>>
>[...]
>
>I have read that high denomination Eure notes now have RFID
>incorporated. I don't know if that's true but in any case it's trivial
>for ATM holes in the walls to record the serial number of every note
>dispensed.
>
><https://www.fleur-de-coin.com/eurocoins/banknote-rfid>

From the link, no, "no banknotes in the world today employ such technology":

"According to the banking community and chip suppliers, the integration of an
RFID antenna and chip on a banknote is technically possible, but no banknotes in
the world today employ such a technology."

And any such chip could be disabled in bulk by a quick microwave.

Thomas Prufer

Brian Gaff wrote:

> I'm still having problems working out what hot keys to use to find the inbox
> of a second account.

I can't think of any hot key to "jump" to a known position account in
the folders pane, from where you could probably tab or arrow around.

Have you considered using the unified inbox?