On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:37:43 +0100
Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:

> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:53:43 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>
> >I have read that high denomination Eure notes now have RFID
> >incorporated. I don't know if that's true but in any case it's trivial
> >for ATM holes in the walls to record the serial number of every note
> >dispensed.
> >
> ><https://www.fleur-de-coin.com/eurocoins/banknote-rfid>
>
> From the link, no, "no banknotes in the world today employ such
> technology":

The text of that (undated!) article makes it clear that it was
written before 2005 which is when the ECB were expected to start putting
them in. I have not been able to find anything definitive from after 2005,
but the ECB state that they do not and will not describe all the security
features in the Euro notes publicly.#
> And any such chip could be disabled in bulk by a quick microwave.

I did come across an article by someone claiming to have done just
that to €5 notes and been rewarded with a bnag and a small hole in the note.

[!] One of the most irritating things about the WWW is that 90%+ of it is
undated.

--
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On 25/01/2024 09:37, Thomas Prufer wrote:

> From the link, no, "no banknotes in the world today employ such technology":
>
> "According to the banking community and chip suppliers, the integration of an
> RFID antenna and chip on a banknote is technically possible, but no banknotes in
> the world today employ such a technology."
>
> And any such chip could be disabled in bulk by a quick microwave.
>
Which would result in immediate refusal of that note as a forgery by any
shop sensible enough to have an RFID reader next to the till. More
reliable than the current marker pen and UV light type thingies in use
now, Also, banks would be reluctant to let them into their systems.

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On 2024-01-24, Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
> Sam Plusnet said:
>> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
>>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>>
>> Gosh!
>> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
>> Are there any more things you can use it for?
>
> You can make little gliders that fall to the floor halfway across the
> room.
>
>

Such a good way of putting it, almost spit out my tea! :-)
--
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RLU: 222126

In article <20240124224302.f8a5270d839a11a7e1af0b26@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 24 Jan 2024 at 22:43:02 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 24 Jan 2024 17:59:53 -0400
>Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> You can use it for money! No computer, no electricity, no telecom
>> network, no built-in surveillance
>
> There are persistent rumours of RFID chips being embedded in some
>banknotes, the ECB did say they were planning them for some Euro
>denominations from 2005 but I've not seen it confirmed.
>
I did wonder about the latest 1 GBP which is described as having a
hidden security feature.
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in news:l1do08Fn4alU4
@mid.individual.net:

> On 23/01/2024 18:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
>>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>>
>> Gosh!
>> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
>> Are there any more things you can use it for?
>
> You can stick it up your nefr.

Might bring tears to your eyes.

--
Peter
-----

On 25/01/2024 09:37, Thomas Prufer wrote:
>
> And any such chip could be disabled in bulk by a quick microwave.
>
Just as any unchipped notes can be rendered useless by throwing them
into a bonfire.

--
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It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>
> [!] One of the most irritating things about the WWW is that 90%+ of it is
> undated.

YES !

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 25/01/2024 00:23, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 23/01/2024 18:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:

>> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
>> Are there any more things you can use it for?
>
> You can stick it up your nefr.
Many folk do use it to wipe their nefr.

--
Nev
It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

Simon said:
> On 2024-01-24, Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>> On 23-Jan-24 13:27, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A B C D E F G H I J K L M
>>>> N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z
>>>> Print, and blutack somewhere handhi.
>>>
>>> Gosh!
>>> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
>>> Are there any more things you can use it for?
>>
>> You can make little gliders that fall to the floor halfway across the
>> room.
>
> Such a good way of putting it, almost spit out my tea! :-)

I found one in my backyard last summer. The kids next door, I guess, it
was v. sloppily folded, so I thought I could do better & then noticed I
hadn't done it for 60 years or so ... it made it back over the wall, but
nosedived just as badly as theirs.

I Love The Internet, one more time :-
https://www.foldnfly.com/

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Nicholas D. Richards wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> There are persistent rumours of RFID chips being embedded in some
>> banknotes
>
> I did wonder about the latest 1 GBP which is described as having a
> hidden security feature.

1zu coin rather a low value to molish it worthwhile?

In article <pNednd5wRfhU8y_4nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid.?> on Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at
14:23:03 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>
>>> There are persistent rumours of RFID chips being embedded in some
>>> banknotes
>>
>> I did wonder about the latest 1 GBP which is described as having a
>> hidden security feature.
>
>1zu coin rather a low value to molish it worthwhile?

In 2014 the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street reckoned >3% of 1zu coins
were counterfeit. If it was worthwhile counterfeiting in quantity, it
must be worthwhile to counter the counterfeiters, more so because civil
society and business depend on being able to trust the currency.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 2024-01-25, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:37:43 +0100
> Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:53:43 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>
>> >I have read that high denomination Eure notes now have RFID
>> >incorporated. I don't know if that's true but in any case it's trivial
>> >for ATM holes in the walls to record the serial number of every note
>> >dispensed.
>> >
>> ><https://www.fleur-de-coin.com/eurocoins/banknote-rfid>
>>
>> From the link, no, "no banknotes in the world today employ such
>> technology":
>
> The text of that (undated!) article makes it clear that it was
> written before 2005 which is when the ECB were expected to start putting
> them in. I have not been able to find anything definitive from after 2005,
> but the ECB state that they do not and will not describe all the security
> features in the Euro notes publicly.#
>
>> And any such chip could be disabled in bulk by a quick microwave.
>
> I did come across an article by someone claiming to have done just
> that to €5 notes and been rewarded with a bnag and a small hole in the note.
>
> [!] One of the most irritating things about the WWW is that 90%+ of it is
> undated.
>

Agreed.

I noticed recently that the Euro, the ones here anyway, are watermarked
with a picture of Europa, who would have been a Phoenician.

I heard a story of a man that did something with rfid for to get into a
football game in Switzerland, but to get to the turnstiles, he could not
used a plane. Yop, It might come back to me about 2am in the morning.

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Charles I, beheaded, Charles II, killed by doctors, What is happen to Chuck III?

On 25/01/2024 17:37, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <pNednd5wRfhU8y_4nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid.?> on Thu, 25 Jan 2024 at
> 14:23:03 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>
>>>> There are persistent rumours of RFID chips being embedded in some
>>>> banknotes
>>>
>>> I did wonder about the latest 1 GBP which is described as having a
>>> hidden security feature.
>>
>> 1zu coin rather a low value to molish it worthwhile?
>
> In 2014 the Old Lady of Threadneedle Street reckoned >3% of 1zu coins
> were counterfeit. If it was worthwhile counterfeiting in quantity, it
> must be worthwhile to counter the counterfeiters, more so because civil
> society and business depend on being able to trust the currency.

I'm sure someone has done a deep dive into the level of counterfeiting
which starts to have an impact on the economy.

The Old Lady probably sits back and does nothing, until some trigger
level is reached.

On 25/01/2024 10:32, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:37:43 +0100
> Thomas Prufer <prufer.public@mnet-online.de.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 Jan 2024 22:53:43 +0000, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:
>>
>>> I have read that high denomination Eure notes now have RFID
>>> incorporated. I don't know if that's true but in any case it's trivial
>>> for ATM holes in the walls to record the serial number of every note
>>> dispensed.
>>>
>>> <https://www.fleur-de-coin.com/eurocoins/banknote-rfid>
>>
>> From the link, no, "no banknotes in the world today employ such
>> technology":
>
> The text of that (undated!) article makes it clear that it was
> written before 2005 which is when the ECB were expected to start putting
> them in. I have not been able to find anything definitive from after 2005,
> but the ECB state that they do not and will not describe all the security
> features in the Euro notes publicly.#
>
>> And any such chip could be disabled in bulk by a quick microwave.
>
> I did come across an article by someone claiming to have done just
> that to €5 notes and been rewarded with a bnag and a small hole in the note.

Don't (UK) bank notes still have a built-in metallic strip?

On 25/01/2024 14:02, nev young wrote:
> On 25/01/2024 00:23, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 23/01/2024 18:16, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>>> This paper stuff is jolly clever.
>>> Are there any more things you can use it for?
>>
>> You can stick it up your nefr.
> Many folk do use it to wipe their nefr.
>
Bring back the 'sponge onna stick'!

Them Romans knew how to be ecologically sound.

I really want every account separate, but the only way seemingly to do this
is different profiles and pretend to be a different user, Otherwise get the
portable version in several places and operate each on just one account.
Brian

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"Tease'n'Seize" <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in message
news:qJ6dnf71T6cPry_4nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
> Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> I'm still having problems working out what hot keys to use to find the
>> inbox
>> of a second account.
>
> I can't think of any hot key to "jump" to a known position account in the
> folders pane, from where you could probably tab or arrow around.
>
> Have you considered using the unified inbox?
>

On 26/01/2024 13:05, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I really want every account separate, but the only way seemingly to do this
> is different profiles and pretend to be a different user, Otherwise get the
> portable version in several places and operate each on just one account.
> Brian

I use the same profile on two different accounts in TB. I can't offhand
remember how I set it up but I think I basically just added an account
to the original profile....?

....checks...

Yes, I have three email accounts which use the same identity - just put
the same details in each lot of account settings. Or not. As you prefer.

HTH

Chris