On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 16:03:43 +0000
"chrisnd@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

> For info, I installed claws after installing sylpheed. As I said in
> another post sylpheed did not want to connect to my server. However,
> when installing claws, not only did it find the sylpheed installation
> but offered to copy the configuration across - so I gave it a go - just
> to see what would happen. Apart from a query about certification, it
> just worked!

A lot of people move from Sylpheed to Claws, including the author
of Claws - so that path is beaten smooth.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
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Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

On 08/01/2024 16:37, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 16:03:43 +0000
> "chrisnd@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> For info, I installed claws after installing sylpheed. As I said in
>> another post sylpheed did not want to connect to my server. However,
>> when installing claws, not only did it find the sylpheed installation
>> but offered to copy the configuration across - so I gave it a go - just
>> to see what would happen. Apart from a query about certification, it
>> just worked!
>
> A lot of people move from Sylpheed to Claws, including the author
> of Claws - so that path is beaten smooth.
>
Any particular reason for this?
I'm using Betterbird at the mo' and it seems fine beyond being heavy on
memory. It allows multiple address books and syncs to Google Calendar
(both essential for me)
--
Jim the Geordie

On 08/01/2024 16:08, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
> On 06/01/2024 18:14, John Williamson wrote:
>> On 06/01/2024 17:01, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>> Previously I used Pegasus Mail - which would do everything one asked of
>>> it (and still does: www.pmail.com) except that there is no linux version
>>> - Just windoze & Mac. It is the windoze prog I miss the most (followed
>>> by Gravity newsreader) having decamped to Ubuntu a couple of years ago.
>>>
>> Have you tried them under WINE?
>
> Well WINE installed (apparently) fine following the instructions here:
> https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
>
> Now what? I have no icon or anything (even after an overnight reboot)
> Is it there or isn't it? How do I use it?
> The concept looked promising but obviously I'm missing something...
>
As said by Teaze'n'Seize, open and run the .exe file and things "just work".

If it is in a .zip file,you need to extract it first, as you would under
'Doze.

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Tciao for Now!

John.

On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 17:17:47 +0000
Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:

> On 08/01/2024 16:37, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 16:03:43 +0000
> > "chrisnd@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >> For info, I installed claws after installing sylpheed. As I said in
> >> another post sylpheed did not want to connect to my server. However,
> >> when installing claws, not only did it find the sylpheed installation
> >> but offered to copy the configuration across - so I gave it a go - just
> >> to see what would happen. Apart from a query about certification, it
> >> just worked!
> >
> > A lot of people move from Sylpheed to Claws, including the
> > author of Claws - so that path is beaten smooth.
> >
> Any particular reason for this?

The original reason for Claws was that Paul wanted to add features
and Hiroyuki wanted to keep Sylpheed very light and kept rejecting Paul's
patches, eventually Paul split Claws off initially as sylpheed-claws
tracking changes in sylpheed but eventually as Claws-Mail independently
developed.

That difference remains to this day - Claws has plugins and lots of
features while Sylpheed is very light and only does email, no plugins.
Historically Claws was far more prone to problems, but it's had a long time
to mature since the split now.

Sylpheed development has pretty much ground to a halt though (the
Oauth2 support is in 3.8beta released Nov 2022 and there hasn't been a 3.8
yet. I hadn't noticed as I use my own IMAP server). If it ever breaks for
me I'll probably switch to Claws, meanwhile it works and doesn't annoy me so
it stays (it's been my mail/news client for 20 years now - I led the
stampede from XFMail to Sylpheed when that stopped being developed.

> I'm using Betterbird at the mo' and it seems fine beyond being heavy on
> memory. It allows multiple address books and syncs to Google Calendar
> (both essential for me)

That would rule out Sylpheed for you, not sure about Claws.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/
Host: Beautiful Theory meet Inconvenient Fact
Obit: Beautiful Theory died today of factual inconsistency

Well if that is the case, I'll have to investigate further.
Brian

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"Chris Elvidge" <chris@mshome.net> wrote in message
news:uncerb$ofhl$2@dont-email.me...
> On 06/01/2024 13:18, Chris Elvidge wrote:
>> On 06/01/2024 08:48, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> I guess I'm a special case due to the need for an accessible client.
>>> There
>>> really is only Thunderbird left, and if I cannot fix this issue that has
>>> got
>>> to be installed and set up on my multiple accounts. The reason why I
>>> like OE
>>> is identities. I can keep all my addresses completely separate and only
>>> download the one which pertains to the hat I'm wearing. I think most
>>> other
>>> clients tend to download all accounts all the time and then present each
>>> in
>>> another inbox. Its distracting from the audio dings point of view and
>>> for
>>> the fact you can almost see the other tasks trying to distract you from
>>> the
>>> current one.
>>>
>>> Also getting all my address books over into the right account is going
>>> to
>>> be a real pain, never mind all the different hot keys and learning them
>>> and
>>> trying to customise Tbird to work around the inaccessible bits. The
>>> latest
>>> version has even more problems as it is a complete rewrite where some
>>> single
>>> key stuff no longer works.
>>> Obviously I'll have to go with something, since I'll soon have to use
>>> Win
>>> Doze 10 and 11, prospects that do not fill me with great enthusiasm I
>>> have
>>> to say, but programmers just don't support win 7 any more due to
>>> compilers
>>> having dropped it. Brian
>>>
>>
>> This might (or might not) help.
>> TBird can be set up with multiple profiles. Call it with
>> "path\to\thunderbird.exe" -profile "path\to\profilename"
>> eg: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Thunderbird\thunderbird.exe" -profile
>> "C:\Users\celvi\AppData\Roaming\Thunderbird\Profiles\d33v3d9r.celvi.52"
>> So you could possibly use different profiles for different identities.
>>
>> Older versions of TBird can be found here:
>> https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/
>> You should be able to find one that works with Win7
>>
>> As you can see, I still use version 52(.2.1) 32-bit as my main useful
>> add-ons are not available for newer versions - specifically Thunderbrowse
>> and Adblock Plus/Element Hiding Helper for Adblock Plus.
>>
>>
>
> Forgot to mention 'thunderbird -P' (that's a capital P) starts TBird with
> the profile editor where you can make new profiles.
>
>
> --
> Chris Elvidge, England
> I AM SO VERY TIRED

On 08/01/2024 17:35, John Williamson wrote:
> On 08/01/2024 16:08, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>> On 06/01/2024 18:14, John Williamson wrote:
>>> On 06/01/2024 17:01, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> Previously I used Pegasus Mail - which would do everything one asked of
>>>> it (and still does: www.pmail.com) except that there is no linux
>>>> version
>>>> - Just windoze & Mac.  It is the windoze prog I miss the most (followed
>>>> by Gravity newsreader) having decamped to Ubuntu a couple of years ago.
>>>>
>>> Have you tried them under WINE?
>>
>> Well WINE installed (apparently) fine following the instructions here:
>> https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
>>
>> Now what?  I have no icon or anything (even after an overnight reboot)
>> Is it there or isn't it?  How do I use it?
>> The concept looked promising but obviously I'm missing something...
>>
> As said by Teaze'n'Seize, open and run the .exe file and things "just
> work".
>
> If it is in a .zip file,you need to extract it first, as you would under
> 'Doze.

Ok, I've tried a couple of exes and can't get either of them to work. I
saw that the option 'Open With..' had gained a 'Run with Wine..' and
tried that. A small box appeared briefly on screen indicating that Wine
needed something else to run properly* and there was an 'Install' button
- briefly! The whole box disappeared too quickly for me to click
anything and I haven't seen it since.

The Ubuntu page mentioned above appears to consist of what might as well
be lorum ipsum for all that it means to me.

Any ideas please?

Chris
* something akin to .NET ? (!)

chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:

> The whole box disappeared too quickly for me to click anything and I
> haven't seen it since.

start a terminal window and run it from within there "wine whatever.exe"

then it'll either jbex, or the window with error details won't disappear
if there's a promble,

On 16/01/2024 11:34, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> The whole box disappeared too quickly for me to click anything and I
>> haven't seen it since.
>
> start a terminal window and run it from within there "wine whatever.exe"
>
> then it'll either jbex, or the window with error details won't disappear
> if there's a promble,

"wine: could not load kernel32.dll, status c0000135"

Let's try a different prog...

Nope - same error - but at least I think we've gone a stage further...?

Chris

On 16/01/2024 17:12, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
> On 16/01/2024 11:34, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>
>>> The whole box disappeared too quickly for me to click anything and I
>>> haven't seen it since.
>>
>> start a terminal window and run it from within there "wine whatever.exe"
>>
>> then it'll either jbex, or the window with error details won't
>> disappear if there's a promble,
>
> "wine: could not load kernel32.dll, status c0000135"
>
> Let's try a different prog...
>
> Nope - same error - but at least I think we've gone a stage further...?
>
Possible solution here...

https://forum.manjaro.org/t/wine-could-not-load-kernel32-dll-status-c0000135/69811/2

"Thanks I deleted ~/.wine and ran winecfg and it reconfigured itself and
its working now!
I thought I had done this already but I must not have done it fearing
what it would mess up"

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John.

John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:l0nsnnFa3caU1@mid.individual.net:

> On 16/01/2024 17:12, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>> On 16/01/2024 11:34, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>>> chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> The whole box disappeared too quickly for me to click anything and
>>>> I haven't seen it since.
>>>
>>> start a terminal window and run it from within there "wine
>>> whatever.exe"
>>>
>>> then it'll either jbex, or the window with error details won't
>>> disappear if there's a promble,
>>
>> "wine: could not load kernel32.dll, status c0000135"
>>
>> Let's try a different prog...
>>
>> Nope - same error - but at least I think we've gone a stage
>> further...?
>>
> Possible solution here...
>
> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/wine-could-not-load-kernel32-dll-status-c00
> 00135/69811/2
>
> "Thanks I deleted ~/.wine and ran winecfg and it reconfigured itself
> and its working now!
> I thought I had done this already but I must not have done it fearing
> what it would mess up"

This appeared in XKCD today:
https://xkcd.com/2881

--
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-----

On 16/01/2024 17:29, John Williamson wrote:
> On 16/01/2024 17:12, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>> On 16/01/2024 11:34, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>>> chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>
>>>> The whole box disappeared too quickly for me to click anything and I
>>>> haven't seen it since.
>>>
>>> start a terminal window and run it from within there "wine whatever.exe"
>>>
>>> then it'll either jbex, or the window with error details won't
>>> disappear if there's a promble,
>>
>> "wine: could not load kernel32.dll, status c0000135"
>>
>> Let's try a different prog...
>>
>> Nope - same error - but at least I think we've gone a stage further...?
>>
> Possible solution here...
>
> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/wine-could-not-load-kernel32-dll-status-c0000135/69811/2
>
> "Thanks I deleted ~/.wine and ran winecfg and it reconfigured itself and
> its working now!
> I thought I had done this already but I must not have done it fearing
> what it would mess up"
>
Thanks, I'll give it a go...

Chris

On 16/01/2024 21:20, Peter wrote:
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:l0nsnnFa3caU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 16/01/2024 17:12, chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>> On 16/01/2024 11:34, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>>>> chrisnd@privacy.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The whole box disappeared too quickly for me to click anything and
>>>>> I haven't seen it since.
>>>>
>>>> start a terminal window and run it from within there "wine
>>>> whatever.exe"
>>>>
>>>> then it'll either jbex, or the window with error details won't
>>>> disappear if there's a promble,
>>>
>>> "wine: could not load kernel32.dll, status c0000135"
>>>
>>> Let's try a different prog...
>>>
>>> Nope - same error - but at least I think we've gone a stage
>>> further...?
>>>
>> Possible solution here...
>>
>> https://forum.manjaro.org/t/wine-could-not-load-kernel32-dll-status-c00
>> 00135/69811/2
>>
>> "Thanks I deleted ~/.wine and ran winecfg and it reconfigured itself
>> and its working now!
>> I thought I had done this already but I must not have done it fearing
>> what it would mess up"
>
> This appeared in XKCD today:
> https://xkcd.com/2881
>
>
:-)

Chris

In uk.rec.sheds, (Ahem A Rivet's Shot) wrote in
<20240108175222.50ca3761ae4f573c36196740@eircom.net>::

>On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 17:17:47 +0000
>Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 08/01/2024 16:37, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 16:03:43 +0000
>> > "chrisnd@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> For info, I installed claws after installing sylpheed. As I said in
>> >> another post sylpheed did not want to connect to my server. However,
>> >> when installing claws, not only did it find the sylpheed installation
>> >> but offered to copy the configuration across - so I gave it a go - just
>> >> to see what would happen. Apart from a query about certification, it
>> >> just worked!
>> >
>> > A lot of people move from Sylpheed to Claws, including the
>> > author of Claws - so that path is beaten smooth.
>> >
>> Any particular reason for this?
>
> The original reason for Claws was that Paul wanted to add features
>and Hiroyuki wanted to keep Sylpheed very light and kept rejecting Paul's
>patches, eventually Paul split Claws off initially as sylpheed-claws
>tracking changes in sylpheed but eventually as Claws-Mail independently
>developed.
>
> That difference remains to this day - Claws has plugins and lots of
>features while Sylpheed is very light and only does email, no plugins.
>Historically Claws was far more prone to problems, but it's had a long time
>to mature since the split now.
>
> Sylpheed development has pretty much ground to a halt though (the
>Oauth2 support is in 3.8beta released Nov 2022 and there hasn't been a 3.8
>yet. I hadn't noticed as I use my own IMAP server). If it ever breaks for
>me I'll probably switch to Claws, meanwhile it works and doesn't annoy me so
>it stays (it's been my mail/news client for 20 years now - I led the
>stampede from XFMail to Sylpheed when that stopped being developed.
>
>> I'm using Betterbird at the mo' and it seems fine beyond being heavy on
>> memory. It allows multiple address books and syncs to Google Calendar
>> (both essential for me)
>
> That would rule out Sylpheed for you, not sure about Claws.

Another little-known but effective mail/news client is Interlink. Once
I work out how to migrate my Agent archives to it, it will be my new
client - I've accepted that Agent is never going to do IMAP.
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On Wed, 24 Jan 2024, Znep wrote:

> In uk.rec.sheds, (Ahem A Rivet's Shot) wrote in
> <20240108175222.50ca3761ae4f573c36196740@eircom.net>::
>
>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 17:17:47 +0000
>> Jim S <jim@jimXscott.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/01/2024 16:37, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 16:03:43 +0000
>>>> "chrisnd@privacy.net" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For info, I installed claws after installing sylpheed. As I said in
>>>>> another post sylpheed did not want to connect to my server. However,
>>>>> when installing claws, not only did it find the sylpheed installation
>>>>> but offered to copy the configuration across - so I gave it a go - just
>>>>> to see what would happen. Apart from a query about certification, it
>>>>> just worked!
>>>>
>>>> A lot of people move from Sylpheed to Claws, including the
>>>> author of Claws - so that path is beaten smooth.
>>>>
>>> Any particular reason for this?
>>
>> The original reason for Claws was that Paul wanted to add features
>> and Hiroyuki wanted to keep Sylpheed very light and kept rejecting Paul's
>> patches, eventually Paul split Claws off initially as sylpheed-claws
>> tracking changes in sylpheed but eventually as Claws-Mail independently
>> developed.
>>
>> That difference remains to this day - Claws has plugins and lots of
>> features while Sylpheed is very light and only does email, no plugins.
>> Historically Claws was far more prone to problems, but it's had a long time
>> to mature since the split now.
>>
>> Sylpheed development has pretty much ground to a halt though (the
>> Oauth2 support is in 3.8beta released Nov 2022 and there hasn't been a 3.8
>> yet. I hadn't noticed as I use my own IMAP server). If it ever breaks for
>> me I'll probably switch to Claws, meanwhile it works and doesn't annoy me so
>> it stays (it's been my mail/news client for 20 years now - I led the
>> stampede from XFMail to Sylpheed when that stopped being developed.
>>
>>> I'm using Betterbird at the mo' and it seems fine beyond being heavy on
>>> memory. It allows multiple address books and syncs to Google Calendar
>>> (both essential for me)
>>
>> That would rule out Sylpheed for you, not sure about Claws.
>
> Another little-known but effective mail/news client is Interlink. Once
> I work out how to migrate my Agent archives to it, it will be my new
> client - I've accepted that Agent is never going to do IMAP.
>

I use alpine and recommend it for a zen-like terminal based email
experience. I sync all my mails to my laptop with isync, so can access
everything everywhere I go without internet.