How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
could harm the observers ...

On 26/01/2024 09:11, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
> isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
> oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
> could harm the observers ...

It is the same type of ignorance that led to a large percentage of
people in a survey agreeing that dihydrogen monoxide should be banned
after they had been told that 100% of all serial killers had consumed it
less than 24 hours before they committed the crime.

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On 26/01/2024 09:11, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
> isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
> oxygen removed?  Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
> could harm the observers ...

Would've been cheaper to just put a plastic bag over his head.
Who cares if he squirms in discomfort for a few mins.

OK so I woke up grumpy this morning.

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On 26/01/2024 09:22, nev young wrote:
> On 26/01/2024 09:11, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen
>> itself isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with
>> all the
>> oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak,
>> it could harm the observers ...
>
> Would've been cheaper to just put a plastic bag over his head.
> Who cares if he squirms in discomfort for a few mins.
>
The report on the BBC this morning said he did that anyway.

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John.

In article <l1hbpjFfo7vU1@mid.individual.net>, John Williamson
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> on Fri, 26 Jan 2024 at 09:19:47 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 26/01/2024 09:11, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
>> isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
>> oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
>> could harm the observers ...
>
>It is the same type of ignorance that led to a large percentage of
>people in a survey agreeing that dihydrogen monoxide should be banned
>after they had been told that 100% of all serial killers had consumed it
>less than 24 hours before they committed the crime.
>
It is denied to people on the Liverpool pathway.
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 09:11:32 +0000
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
> isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
> oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
> could harm the observers ...

At my PPOE they have many environmental test chambers used to
torture servers before sale, among other things they have a nitrogen feed
from a GBFO liquid nitrogen tank outside. The route to the canteen passes
by all of this (and past the loading bay so watch out for forklifts).
There's a leak detection system that triggers a loud alarm and orange
flashy light, it's one of the first things pointed out to new employees
during disorientation. We're told that if the alarm goes off we should
leave the area quickly and that without it we wouldn't notice anything
until we passed out and died shortly afterwards because there's no CO2
build up to trigger distress.

It occurred to be then that if there must be a death penalty
(something I strongly disagree with) then execution by sealing the cell and
flooding it with nitrogen without warning while the prisoner is asleep
would be the most humane method possible.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
news:20240126101022.0e7505a7b450668cc2f4e90e@eircom.net:

>
> It occurred to be then that if there must be a death penalty
> (something I strongly disagree with) then execution by sealing the
> cell and flooding it with nitrogen without warning while the prisoner
> is asleep would be the most humane method possible.

I suppose that if people dislike someone enough to kill them they won't be
worried if the person feels a bit of discomfort on their way out.

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Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in
news:0RudnbYDAdnZ6i74nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:

> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
> isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
> oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
> could harm the observers ...

I noticed that as well, on the beeb news yesterday. But journos in general
are not known for their grasp of science.

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-----

On 26/01/2024 10:10, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> At my PPOE they have many environmental test chambers used to
> torture servers before sale, among other things they have a nitrogen feed
> from a GBFO liquid nitrogen tank outside. The route to the canteen passes
> by all of this (and past the loading bay so watch out for forklifts).
> There's a leak detection system that triggers a loud alarm and orange
> flashy light, it's one of the first things pointed out to new employees
> during disorientation. We're told that if the alarm goes off we should
> leave the area quickly and that without it we wouldn't notice anything
> until we passed out and died shortly afterwards because there's no CO2
> build up to trigger distress.
>
It has killed many lorry drivers when they use it to chill the freezer
compartment and they don't leave the door open for long enough for the
oxygen outside to permeate in.

> It occurred to be then that if there must be a death penalty
> (something I strongly disagree with) then execution by sealing the cell and
> flooding it with nitrogen without warning while the prisoner is asleep
> would be the most humane method possible.
>
Carbon monoxide is completely painless and very effective. They call it
the silent killer, and you don't need much. My alarm on the boat goes
off at 20 parts per million, 100 ppm is guaranteed fatal before you
realise what is going on.
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John.

In article <l1hbpjFfo7vU1@mid.individual.net>,
johnwilliamson@btinternet.com says...
>
> On 26/01/2024 09:11, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> > How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
> > isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
> > oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
> > could harm the observers ...
>
> It is the same type of ignorance that led to a large percentage of
> people in a survey agreeing that dihydrogen monoxide should be banned
> after they had been told that 100% of all serial killers had consumed it
> less than 24 hours before they committed the crime.

Try not to use it 'Fishes make love in it' (W.C.Fields)

--
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On 26/01/2024 09:22, nev young wrote:
> On 26/01/2024 09:11, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen
>> itself isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with
>> all the
>> oxygen removed?  Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak,
>> it could harm the observers ...
>
> Would've been cheaper to just put a plastic bag over his head.
> Who cares if he squirms in discomfort for a few mins.
>
> OK so I woke up grumpy this morning.

You should have let him have a long lie.

Yes they would suffocate. I often wonder why smokers get so crotchety, I
reckon its all the carbon monoxide and dioxide they get with their nitrogen
and oxygen. Do you realise you can use helium with your oxygen and no harm
willcome to you except you will sound like a chipmunk.
Brian

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> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
> isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
> oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
> could harm the observers ...

Is not nitrogen in many older suspensions of Citroen cars?
I think its also why the sky is blue.
If we put more raw oxygen in the atmosphere the world would burn the next
time a bolt of lightening struck.
Brian

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"Peter" <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote in
> news:0RudnbYDAdnZ6i74nZ2dnZfqnPWdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk:
>
>> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen itself
>> isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with all the
>> oxygen removed? Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak, it
>> could harm the observers ...
>
> I noticed that as well, on the beeb news yesterday. But journos in general
> are not known for their grasp of science.
>
> --
> Peter
> -----
>

Brian Gaff wrote:

> Do you realise you can use helium with your oxygen and no harm
> will come to you except you will sound like a chipmunk.

Do the scubaists call it heliox?

Surprised that the apollo astronauts weren't 'hyper' due to breathing
pure O2?

Peter said:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in
> news:20240126101022.0e7505a7b450668cc2f4e90e@eircom.net:
>
>>
>> It occurred to be then that if there must be a death penalty
>> (something I strongly disagree with) then execution by sealing the
>> cell and flooding it with nitrogen without warning while the prisoner
>> is asleep would be the most humane method possible.
>
> I suppose that if people dislike someone enough to kill them they won't be
> worried if the person feels a bit of discomfort on their way out.

The R4 reporting said it explicitly; there is no legal requirement that
it be painless.

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On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:12:35 -0000
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is not nitrogen in many older suspensions of Citroen cars?

Yes and the same suspension parts got used in some Rolls Royce
cars (it was apparently cheaper to get spares from Rolls Royce than from
Citroen), it's also used to inflate aircraft tyres and sometimes car tyres.
The atmosphere is a little under 80% nitrogen.

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Whate're is best administered is best - Alexander Pope

On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:53:35 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 26 Jan 2024 13:12:35 -0000
>"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is not nitrogen in many older suspensions of Citroen cars?
>
> Yes and the same suspension parts got used in some Rolls Royce
>cars (it was apparently cheaper to get spares from Rolls Royce than from
>Citroen), it's also used to inflate aircraft tyres and sometimes car tyres.
>The atmosphere is a little under 80% nitrogen.

Here-abouts the nitrogen-filled car tires will often sport
a green coloured valve cap.
My memory of long-ago teachings is that we breathed
78 % nitrogen 21 % oxygen 1 % other
John T.

On 26/01/2024 13:39, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Brian Gaff wrote:
>
> Surprised that the apollo astronauts weren't 'hyper' due to breathing
> pure O2?

Pressure inside the capsules was 5 psi, or about a third of normal
atmospheric pressure, except at launch, when it was 16 psi. Most of the
time, the oxygen pressure was about the same as it is at sea level.

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John.

Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> Brian Gaff wrote:
>
>> Do you realise you can use helium with your oxygen and no harm
>> will come to you except you will sound like a chipmunk.
>
> Do the scubaists call it heliox?
>
> Surprised that the apollo astronauts weren't 'hyper' due to breathing
> pure O2?
>

But they were breathing at low pressure as building a craft that ran at
atmospheric pressure would have added weight.

Tim

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> It occurred to be then that if there must be a death penalty
> (something I strongly disagree with) then execution by sealing the cell and
> flooding it with nitrogen without warning while the prisoner is asleep
> would be the most humane method possible.

Indeed, it *could* be the most humane method but the Americans are
determined that those condemned must suffer, hence their use of a totally
cackhanded technique.

Tim

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On 26 Jan 2024 15:15:23 GMT
Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:

> But they were breathing at low pressure as building a craft that ran at
> atmospheric pressure would have added weight.

Yep - also they didn't want to haul the nitrogen and there's less
leakage at low pressure.

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 26 Jan 2024 15:15:23 GMT
> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
>> But they were breathing at low pressure as building a craft that ran at
>> atmospheric pressure would have added weight.
>
> Yep - also they didn't want to haul the nitrogen and there's less
> leakage at low pressure.
>

And what could possibly go wrong with a 100% oxygen atmosphere?

Tim

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On 26/01/2024 17:48, Tim+ wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 26 Jan 2024 15:15:23 GMT
>> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>
>>> But they were breathing at low pressure as building a craft that ran at
>>> atmospheric pressure would have added weight.
>>
>> Yep - also they didn't want to haul the nitrogen and there's less
>> leakage at low pressure.
>>
>
> And what could possibly go wrong with a 100% oxygen atmosphere?
>
Unfortunately, we know the answer to that one.

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On 26/01/2024 17:48, Tim+ wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On 26 Jan 2024 15:15:23 GMT
>> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>>
>>> But they were breathing at low pressure as building a craft that ran at
>>> atmospheric pressure would have added weight.
>>
>> Yep - also they didn't want to haul the nitrogen and there's less
>> leakage at low pressure.
>>
>
> And what could possibly go wrong with a 100% oxygen atmosphere?

Ask the crew of Apollo 1.
Oh you can't.

On 26-Jan-24 9:22, nev young wrote:
> On 26/01/2024 09:11, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
>> How come none of the journalists seem to understand that Nitrogen
>> itself isn't some dreadful poison gas, and it's effectively air with
>> all the
>> oxygen removed?  Someone expressed concern that if there was a leak,
>> it could harm the observers ...
>
> Would've been cheaper to just put a plastic bag over his head.
> Who cares if he squirms in discomfort for a few mins.
>
> OK so I woke up grumpy this morning.
>
If you move around more quietly, Grumpy can get a full nights sleep.

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