Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On 5 Feb 2024 15:35:46 GMT
> Tim+ <timdownieuk@yahoo.co.youkay> wrote:
>
> > Consciousness isn't lost instantly when blood flow stops. Quickly yes, but
> > not instantly. I imagine those guillotined saw the approach of the basket
> > as their heads fell. Probably didn't think about it for long though.
>
> Hopefully not long enough to think "Ow my nose!".

<http://www.strangehistory.net/2011/02/06/lavoisier-blinks/>

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On 05-Feb-24 15:14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Feb 2024 14:49:04 -0000 (UTC)
> Richard Robinson <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> Nicholas D. Richards said:
>
>>> I am told that the French guillotine was a bloody affair.
>>
>> How would cutting major blood-vessels not be ?
>>
> Freeze first.
>
Exsanguinate! Exsanguinate!

(Where's that sink plunger?)

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On 2024-02-04, Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:

>>
>> Deterrents will never work as most criminals believe they won't get
>> caught.
>
> I wonder if you have that backwards: deterrents work in most cases except
> in the case of those who believe they won't get caught?

The US policy of deterring suicide bombers by threatening to kill them has
not been a huge success.

--
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bap@shrdlu.com
Wigan

On 2024-02-04, Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Deterrents will never work as most criminals believe they won't get caught.
>>
>
>
> Regardless of my views on capital punishment, "common sense" tells me
> that it DOES work as a deterrent, insofar as it deters the offender from
> committing any further crime.

Yes. Common-sense works like that.

>
> However, there’s a worrying large number of murders committed by people
> who have already been convicted of murder and then released, having
> served their "life" sentence.

It's rare. Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
for any other type of crime.

--
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bap@shrdlu.com
Wigan

>>
>> However, there’s a worrying large number of murders committed by people
>> who have already been convicted of murder and then released, having
>> served their "life" sentence.
>
> It's rare. Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
> for any other type of crime.
>
>

Well "common sense" might suggest that the main reason for that would be
the relatively long sentences given to offenders, leaving them with less
opportunity to commit the crimes.

How many life sentences could you realistically fit in to a life of crime ?

On 2024-02-05, Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> However, there’s a worrying large number of murders committed by people
>>> who have already been convicted of murder and then released, having
>>> served their "life" sentence.
>>
>> It's rare. Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
>> for any other type of crime.
>>
>>
>
> Well "common sense" might suggest that the main reason for that would be
> the relatively long sentences given to offenders, leaving them with less
> opportunity to commit the crimes.
>
> How many life sentences could you realistically fit in to a life of crime ?
>

depends on what is meant by life sentances, sometimes it only means ten
years. The prison population is mostly poor people. Hang them high!

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Bernard Peek wrote:

> Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
> for any other type of crime.

Well yes, if you succeeded in killing the person(s) who pissed you off,
there's no obvious "next victim" ... unless you developed a taste for it.

>
> It's rare. Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
> for any other type of crime.
>

Although another variable in the equation would be the relatively high
conviction rates for murders, which in the normal course of events, will
not get "screened out" by bone idle police officers

On 2024-02-06, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> Bernard Peek wrote:
>
>> Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
>> for any other type of crime.
>
> Well yes, if you succeeded in killing the person(s) who pissed you off,
> there's no obvious "next victim" ... unless you developed a taste for it.

Or you need to cover your tracks.

It's a staple of whodunnits but it appears to be rare outside a few isolated
communities. Notably around St Mary Mede, Midsommer and Denton.

Criminologists should have noticed by now that the statistics point to a
causal relationship. Those areas must each have someone who commits many
murders and frames different innocent people for them. I'm told that there
is a new outbreak developing in parts of Northumberland.

--
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com
Wigan

On 6 Feb 2024 12:17:44 GMT
Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> wrote:

> On 2024-02-06, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
> > Bernard Peek wrote:
> >
> >> Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
> >> for any other type of crime.
> >
> > Well yes, if you succeeded in killing the person(s) who pissed you off,
> > there's no obvious "next victim" ... unless you developed a taste for it.
>
> Or you need to cover your tracks.
>
> It's a staple of whodunnits but it appears to be rare outside a few isolated
> communities. Notably around St Mary Mede, Midsommer and Denton.
>
> Criminologists should have noticed by now that the statistics point to a
> causal relationship. Those areas must each have someone who commits many
> murders and frames different innocent people for them. I'm told that there
> is a new outbreak developing in parts of Northumberland.
>
Never go to those places or accept an invite to stay the night at any
place where Hercule Poirot is on the guest list.

Recently I have been put off visiting Brokenwood, Shetland, Northern
Ireland, Denmark, Saint-Marie, Van der Valks' hometown, and, a couple of
decades (is it that long? ) ago, Mid-Wales. Obv NY is off-limits at all
times.

My SO has been discovering the Spooks at MI5 are a) understaffed b) a
quite sloppy at protecting people.

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In message <20240206123340.e6cbf167123a785b828cb3ac@127.0.0.1>,
"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes
>Never go to those places or accept an invite to stay the night at any
>place where Hercule Poirot is on the guest list.
>

I goove you should be safe these days, I think he closed his shed door
many years ago.

>Recently I have been put off visiting Brokenwood, Shetland, Northern
>Ireland, Denmark, Saint-Marie, Van der Valks' hometown, and, a couple of
>decades (is it that long? ) ago, Mid-Wales. Obv NY is off-limits at all
>times.
>

Mid Whales ?

What of the land of Oxen and fords, not long ago that seemed to be
rather hazardous. Particularly if you were of an academic disposition.

Adrian
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Adrian said:
> In message <20240206123340.e6cbf167123a785b828cb3ac@127.0.0.1>,
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> writes
>>Never go to those places or accept an invite to stay the night at any
>>place where Hercule Poirot is on the guest list.
>>
>
> I goove you should be safe these days, I think he closed his shed door
> many years ago.

Who dunnit ?

>>Recently I have been put off visiting Brokenwood, Shetland, Northern
>>Ireland, Denmark, Saint-Marie, Van der Valks' hometown, and, a couple of
>>decades (is it that long? ) ago, Mid-Wales. Obv NY is off-limits at all
>>times.
>>
>
> Mid Whales ?
>
> What of the land of Oxen and fords, not long ago that seemed to be
> rather hazardous. Particularly if you were of an academic disposition.
>
>
> Adrian

--
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My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

>
>> Recently I have been put off visiting Brokenwood, Shetland, Northern
>> Ireland, Denmark, Saint-Marie, Van der Valks' hometown, and, a couple of
>> decades (is it that long? ) ago, Mid-Wales. Obv NY is off-limits at all
>> times.
>>
>
> Mid Whales ?
>

Hinterland ?

On Tue, 6 Feb 2024 14:15:48 +0000
Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-smith.co.uk> wrote:

>
> >
> >> Recently I have been put off visiting Brokenwood, Shetland, Northern
> >> Ireland, Denmark, Saint-Marie, Van der Valks' hometown, and, a couple of
> >> decades (is it that long? ) ago, Mid-Wales. Obv NY is off-limits at all
> >> times.
> >>
> >
> > Mid Whales ?
> >
>
>
> Hinterland ?
>
That's the series.
Wow, just the 1 decade(ish)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinterland_(TV_series)

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On 05/02/2024 17:27, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <upqsr9$b269$3@dont-email.me>, Richard Robinson
> <richard@qualmograph.org.uk> on Mon, 5 Feb 2024 at 14:54:33 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>> Hymermut said:
>>> On 05/02/2024 12:43, Sn!pe wrote:
>>>> Peter <myshed@prune.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>>> I am told that the French guillotine was a bloody affair.
>>>>>
>>>>> I imagine that it was relatively painless, though. the sudden loss of
>>>>> blood prssure in the brain would have caused instant unconsciousness,
>>>>> with brain- death following soon after. But, and this is an important "but",
>>>>> I am not volunteering to find out.
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather have a bullet to the bonce, TYVM. Quick, certain, one click
>>>> and it's lights out. Perhaps it would be too gory for an executioner
>>>> with delicate sensibilities to clean up, though.
>>>>
>>>
>>> It is mooted that drowning is quite a pleasant way to go, once you've
>>> given up the struggle to breath air.
>>
>> That could be the tricky bit, though.
>>
>> V'q yvxr gb qvr crnprshyyl va zl fyrrc, yvxr zl sngure.
>> Abg fpernzvat va greebe yvxr uvf cnffratref.
>>
> Isn't that what happened to a Croydon tram driver a few years back,
> except he woke up and discovered he was still alive, unlike some of his
> passengers?

It also happened to an elderly member of my family.
Fortunately for everyone but them, they had just stopped to drop someone
off after a (final) pub visit.

Chris

In article <upt3il$rm7s$1@dont-email.me>, Abandoned Trolley <fred@fred-
smith.co.uk> on Tue, 6 Feb 2024 at 11:01:41 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>
>>
>> It's rare. Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
>> for any other type of crime.
>>
>
>
>Although another variable in the equation would be the relatively high
>conviction rates for murders, which in the normal course of events, will
>not get "screened out" by bone idle police officers
>
The majority of murders appear to be committed by a person well known to
the victim. There is high clear up rate, even for 'bone idle' police
officers.

The minority of murders, so called stranger murders, are not so easily
solved although a hard working unbiased team of officers do have a
reasonable clear up rate.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

> The majority of murders appear to be committed by a person well known to
> the victim. There is high clear up rate, even for 'bone idle' police
> officers.
>
> The minority of murders, so called stranger murders, are not so easily
> solved although a hard working unbiased team of officers do have a
> reasonable clear up rate.

So, as I said, a relatively high conviction rate

On 06/02/2024 12:33, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On 6 Feb 2024 12:17:44 GMT
> Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-06, Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:
>>> Bernard Peek wrote:
>>>
>>>> Murder is a crime where repeat-offenders are much less common than
>>>> for any other type of crime.
>>>
>>> Well yes, if you succeeded in killing the person(s) who pissed you off,
>>> there's no obvious "next victim" ... unless you developed a taste for it.
>>
>> Or you need to cover your tracks.
>>
>> It's a staple of whodunnits but it appears to be rare outside a few isolated
>> communities. Notably around St Mary Mede, Midsommer and Denton.
>>
>> Criminologists should have noticed by now that the statistics point to a
>> causal relationship. Those areas must each have someone who commits many
>> murders and frames different innocent people for them. I'm told that there
>> is a new outbreak developing in parts of Northumberland.
>>
> Never go to those places or accept an invite to stay the night at any
> place where Hercule Poirot is on the guest list.
>
> Recently I have been put off visiting Brokenwood, Shetland, Northern
> Ireland, Denmark, Saint-Marie, Van der Valks' hometown, and, a couple of
> decades (is it that long? ) ago, Mid-Wales. Obv NY is off-limits at all
> times.

I would advise avoiding the dreaming spires of Oxford too. Nightmares,
more like.