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As the popularity of e-bikes continues to surge, more tangible benefits are beginning to materialize. An e-bike rider recently crunched the numbers and was blown away by the impact owning an e-bike had on her wallet

Bryn Grunwald, an e-bike commuter and Colorado resident, compared the cost of reaching for her bike for more trips than her car, according to Electrek.. Since 2018, Grunwald has ridden over 11,500 miles on her 2018 Juiced CrossCurrent commuter e-bike.

Grunwald’s CrossCurrent 624 kWh e-bike battery averages 35 miles per charge. Grunwald’s travel mileage translates to 205 kWh of electricity. With electricity in Boulder, Colorado costing $0.15 per kWh, Grunwald’s total fuel cost over the five years cost $30.75.

For comparison’s sake, Grunwald calculated what driving the same distance would cost if she drove her 2010 Toyota Camry. With her car averaging 26 miles per gallon and a gallon of gas averaging $3.50 per gallon over the same five years, Grunwald’s fuel cost to drive the same distance is approximately $1,500.

Electricity for the CrossCurrent would average $6 annually versus $300 to fill up Grunwald’s Camry.

Since both vehicles also require maintenance, Grunwald crunched those numbers as well.

The e-bike required a new battery that cost $600 plus maintenance and accessories added another $500. Grunwald estimates riding her e-bike cost around $1,130.75 over the five years.

The e-bike’s total cost was relatively minimal compared to the car. Car maintenance at a conservative $0.10 per mile totals $1,150. This bumps the cost of driving to $2,650.

Riding an e-bike saved Grunwald over $1,500. These savings do not consider other costs associated with owning a car, such as the total price of a car versus an e-bike or insurance, registration, and inspection.

The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to the cost of a car. Many states and municipalities offer or plan to offer rebates on new e-bikes. Federal legislative proposals have been introduced, but not passed, that would provide federal subsidies for e-bikes. As more e-bike manufacturers enter the market, buying a new e-bike is becoming increasingly more affordable.

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 by: JNugent - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 15:58 UTC

On 11/08/2023 04:47 pm, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

> As the popularity of e-bikes continues to surge, more tangible benefits are beginning to materialize. An e-bike rider recently crunched the numbers and was blown away by the impact owning an e-bike had on her wallet
> Bryn Grunwald, an e-bike commuter and Colorado resident, compared the cost of reaching for her bike for more trips than her car, according to Electrek. Since 2018, Grunwald has ridden over 11,500 miles on her 2018 Juiced CrossCurrent commuter e-bike.

So what?

Most American drivers have covered well more than that since 31st
December 2022.

> Grunwald’s CrossCurrent 624 kWh e-bike battery averages 35 miles per charge. Grunwald’s travel mileage translates to 205 kWh of electricity. With electricity in Boulder, Colorado costing $0.15 per kWh, Grunwald’s total fuel cost over the five years cost $30.75.
> For comparison’s sake, Grunwald calculated what driving the same distance would cost if she drove her 2010 Toyota Camry. With her car averaging 26 miles per gallon and a gallon of gas averaging $3.50 per gallon over the same five years, Grunwald’s fuel cost to drive the same distance is approximately $1,500.
> Electricity for the CrossCurrent would average $6 annually versus $300 to fill up Grunwald’s Camry.
> Since both vehicles also require maintenance, Grunwald crunched those numbers as well.
> The e-bike required a new battery that cost $600 plus maintenance and accessories added another $500. Grunwald estimates riding her e-bike cost around $1,130.75 over the five years.
> The e-bike’s total cost was relatively minimal compared to the car. Car maintenance at a conservative $0.10 per mile totals $1,150. This bumps the cost of driving to $2,650.
> Riding an e-bike saved Grunwald over $1,500. These savings do not consider other costs associated with owning a car, such as the total price of a car versus an e-bike or insurance, registration, and inspection.
> The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to the cost of a car. Many states and municipalities offer or plan to offer rebates on new e-bikes. Federal legislative proposals have been introduced, but not passed, that would provide federal subsidies for e-bikes. As more e-bike manufacturers enter the market, buying a new e-bike is becoming increasingly more affordable.

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 by: Spike - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 16:24 UTC

Someone on cannabis?

“Grunwald’s CrossCurrent 624 kWh e-bike battery averages 35 miles per
charge”.

That’s the electric-motor bicycle market finished, then, with only 35 miles
from a 624kWh battery…the normal mileage for an electric car is about 3.5
miles per kWh.

Perhaps Ms Grunwald should get her money back from (Very?)CrossCurrent…

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> As the popularity of e-bikes continues to surge, more tangible benefits
> are beginning to materialize. An e-bike rider recently crunched the
> numbers and was blown away by the impact owning an e-bike had on her wallet
>
> Bryn Grunwald, an e-bike commuter and Colorado resident, compared the
> cost of reaching for her bike for more trips than her car, according to
> Electrek. Since 2018, Grunwald has ridden over 11,500 miles on her 2018
> Juiced CrossCurrent commuter e-bike.
>
> Grunwald’s CrossCurrent 624 kWh e-bike battery averages 35 miles per
> charge. Grunwald’s travel mileage translates to 205 kWh of electricity.
> With electricity in Boulder, Colorado costing $0.15 per kWh, Grunwald’s
> total fuel cost over the five years cost $30.75.
>
> For comparison’s sake, Grunwald calculated what driving the same distance
> would cost if she drove her 2010 Toyota Camry. With her car averaging 26
> miles per gallon and a gallon of gas averaging $3.50 per gallon over the
> same five years, Grunwald’s fuel cost to drive the same distance is approximately $1,500.
>
> Electricity for the CrossCurrent would average $6 annually versus $300 to
> fill up Grunwald’s Camry.
>
> Since both vehicles also require maintenance, Grunwald crunched those numbers as well.
>
> The e-bike required a new battery that cost $600 plus maintenance and
> accessories added another $500. Grunwald estimates riding her e-bike cost
> around $1,130.75 over the five years.
>
> The e-bike’s total cost was relatively minimal compared to the car. Car
> maintenance at a conservative $0.10 per mile totals $1,150. This bumps
> the cost of driving to $2,650.
>
> Riding an e-bike saved Grunwald over $1,500. These savings do not
> consider other costs associated with owning a car, such as the total
> price of a car versus an e-bike or insurance, registration, and inspection.
>
> The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to the
> cost of a car. Many states and municipalities offer or plan to offer
> rebates on new e-bikes. Federal legislative proposals have been
> introduced, but not passed, that would provide federal subsidies for
> e-bikes. As more e-bike manufacturers enter the market, buying a new
> e-bike is becoming increasingly more affordable.
>

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QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to the cost of a car. ENDS

We know - ask anyone in London!

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 by: Spike - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:31 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to
> the cost of a car. ENDS
>
> We know - ask anyone in London!

At 35 miles from a 624kWh battery, how can anyone afford it? A car would
be cheap by comparison.

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 17:43 UTC

On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:32:11 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to the cost of a car. ENDS
>
> We know - ask anyone in London!

Why do London house garages cost more than a house does outside London?
NOWHERE TO PARK OTHERWISE.

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 by: Spike - Fri, 11 Aug 2023 20:55 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, August 11, 2023 at 5:32:11 PM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:

>> QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to
>> the cost of a car. ENDS

Except when the battery explodes and burns down the building.

QUOTE E-bike ignites every two days, says fire brigade

28 June 2023

London Fire Brigade (LFB) has been called to one e-scooter or e-bike fire
every two days this year, an LFB spokesman said.

A lithium-ion battery fire can rip through a double bedroom in 10 to 15
seconds, Dominic Ellis, deputy commissioner at LFB, told City Hall on
Wednesday.

The batteries, which power electric scooters and bicycles, can create
"quick and ferocious" house fires, he explained.

A battery fire may start due to impact damage or short circuiting, the
Fire, Resilience and Emergency Planning Committee heard.

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c88x2y3kr21o>

ENDQUOTE

>> We know - ask anyone in London!

> Why do London house garages cost more than a house does outside London?

> NOWHERE TO PARK OTHERWISE.

It’s Economics 101: The Law of Supply and Demand

🙄

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QUOTE: Bryn Grunwald, an e-bike commuter and Colorado resident, compared the cost of reaching for her bike for more trips than her car, according to Electrek. Since 2018, Grunwald has ridden over 11,500 miles on her 2018 Juiced CrossCurrent commuter e-bike. ENDS

Amazing - my record was 7500 in a year on my Scott CR1.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: Bryn Grunwald, an e-bike commuter and Colorado resident, compared
> the cost of reaching for her bike for more trips than her car, according
> to Electrek. Since 2018, Grunwald has ridden over 11,500 miles on her
> 2018 Juiced CrossCurrent commuter e-bike. ENDS
>
> Amazing - my record was 7500 in a year on my Scott CR1.

Ms Grunwald’s electric-motor bicycle has a 624kWh battery, though, so can
travel farther than youw.

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QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to the cost of a car. ENDS

And try fitting a dozen cars into a bike hangar.

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 by: Spike - Sat, 12 Aug 2023 10:23 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to
> the cost of a car. ENDS

> And try fitting a dozen cars into a bike hangar.

I know a chap who keeps his 47 motorcycles in a bike hangar.

An electric-motor bicycle with a 624kWh battery is going to take up a
couple of bicycle hangars all on its own.

Let’s see if you can resist the Must Have Last Word (MHLW) syndrome on this
one…

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On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:45:41 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to the cost of a car. ENDS
>
> And try fitting a dozen cars into a bike hangar.

Or even ONE.
See: https://southwarknews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/blur-1-e1678820650684.jpeg

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 by: Spike - Sat, 12 Aug 2023 11:17 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:45:41 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to
>> the cost of a car. ENDS
>>
>> And try fitting a dozen cars into a bike hangar.
>
> Or even ONE.
> See: https://southwarknews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/blur-1-e1678820650684.jpeg

How much better it would have been if the car had been an EV with a 624kWh
battery… It would have flattened (pardon the pun) the bicycle bin.

Over to Mason for a Must Have Last Word (MHLW) posting…

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 12 Aug 2023 12:03 UTC

On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:54:28 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:45:41 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
> > QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison to the cost of a car. ENDS
> >
> > And try fitting a dozen cars into a bike hangar.
> Or even ONE.
> See: https://southwarknews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/blur-1-e1678820650684.jpeg

Hangar's fault for not wearing hi-vis paint.

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 by: Spike - Sat, 12 Aug 2023 13:07 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:54:28 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 9:45:41 AM UTC+1, swldx...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> QUOTE: The cost of owning and operating an e-bike pales in comparison
>>> to the cost of a car. ENDS
>>>
>>> And try fitting a dozen cars into a bike hangar.
>> Or even ONE.
>> See: https://southwarknews.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/blur-1-e1678820650684.jpeg
>
> Hangar's fault for not wearing hi-vis paint.

If that bike bin was a skip, guess how many laws it would break. Quite
appropriate for the bicycle world.

Over to Mason for a Must Have Last Word (MHLW) posting…

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 12 Aug 2023 14:59 UTC

A controversial bike hangar, which incited a furious backlash from outraged motorists in November when it was installed in a car parking space, has been removed by Brighton and Hove City Council after it was crushed and damaged over the weekend by a suspected “large vehicle”.

The cycle hangar in Norfolk Square, one of 60 installed in the city since July 2022, appears to have been damaged while residents’ bikes were stored inside it (a photo of the damage, which seems to show a crack in the unit’s roof, causing the front of the hangar to pop out, can be found on the Argus’ website (link is external)).

However, the council has said that no bikes were damaged or stolen following the “unfortunate incident”, believed to have caused by a motorist, and that a replacement hangar will be delivered “soon”.

The new cycle hangars, which offer secure storage for six bicycles, have proven a somewhat surprising and enduring source of contention in Brighton and Hove in recent months.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> A controversial bike hangar, which incited a furious backlash from
> outraged motorists in November when it was installed in a car parking
> space, has been removed by Brighton and Hove City Council after it was
> crushed and damaged over the weekend by a suspected “large vehicle”.
>
> The cycle hangar in Norfolk Square, one of 60 installed in the city since
> July 2022, appears to have been damaged while residents’ bikes were
> stored inside it (a photo of the damage, which seems to show a crack in
> the unit’s roof, causing the front of the hangar to pop out, can be found
> on the Argus’ website (link is external)).
>
> However, the council has said that no bikes were damaged or stolen
> following the “unfortunate incident”, believed to have caused by a
> motorist, and that a replacement hangar will be delivered “soon”.
>
> The new cycle hangars, which offer secure storage for six bicycles, have
> proven a somewhat surprising and enduring source of contention in
> Brighton and Hove in recent months.

Since you raised the topic, the obvious rejoinder to that is ‘no sh1t,
Sherlock’.

Over to Mason for a Must Have Last Word (MHLW) posting…

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 by: swldx...@gmail.com - Sat, 12 Aug 2023 16:37 UTC

An eleven-month-old baby was hospitalised last week after a driver collided with a roadside cycle hangar – and a local residents’ group has blamed the crash on the destroyed storage unit.

The collision, which we featured on last week’s live blog, saw a motorist drive straight into the back of the green bike container located on Grove Lane in the Denmark Hill area of London, in what the Southwark News reports (link is external) was the second time a motorist has collided with the unit in just over three months.

Following the crash, which took place at around 2.30pm on 6 March, a woman and an eleven-month-old baby were taken to hospital. No arrests were made and the baby is believed to be fine, though neighbours have told the local newspaper that the child’s mother is “beyond distraught”.

A similar collision, which saw a driver knock the hangar sideways onto the pavement, occurred on the evening of 2 December 2022. No one was hurt.

The hangar has been removed since last week’s collision, with one local cyclist noting on Twitter that, yesterday evening at least, the space it formerly occupied was being taken up by a parked lorry.

While the two collisions may raise concerns about the standard of driving in the area (considering the unit was placed in a car parking space), a local residents’ group has argued this week that the hangar was “dangerously” positioned and have criticised the council for not acting sooner to prevent motorists from colliding with it.

According to the Southwark News (link is external), the local council was warned about the hangar’s placement by the Grove Lane Area Residents’ Association (GLARA) soon after it was installed in October 2021.

In that meeting, the group expressed concerns about the sight lines along Grove Lane for pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers, with Southwark Council’s cabinet member for leisure, parks, streets, and clean air, Catherine Rose, promising to review aspects of the road layout, including the hangar’s placement.

However, until last week’s collision, the unit had been kept in its initial position, with the original container replaced after it was destroyed in December.

The complaints about the hangar have also coincided with concerns from some residents that Grove Lane has become “more dangerous” in recent years thanks to the introduction of low traffic neighbourhoods and restrictions in nearby areas.

Anti-LTN activists say these schemes have displaced more traffic onto main roads such as Grove Lane – though analysis carried out by Southwark Council has shown that traffic on the road has fallen by 12.7 percent compared to pre-Covid levels.

Following last week’s crash, a spokesperson for the Grove Lane Area Residents’ Association pointed to the increased traffic on the road in a statement which claimed that incidents involving the bike hangar were “foreseeable”.

“We as residents are ready and willing to work with the council to make improvements to Grove Lane and we want to see the council honour its manifesto commitments to reduce traffic on main roads – because this was foreseeable given it was the second accident on Grove Lane involving the bike hangar in the last three months,” the spokesperson said.

The placement of cycle hangars – a growing presence in British cities thanks to the demand for safe and secure bike parking – has become something of a constant talking point in recent months.

In Brighton and Hove, where the council is planning to introduce the units across the city, the hangars have proven a somewhat surprising and enduring source of contention in the south coast city.

With 150 hangars expected to be rolled out across Brighton and Hove in the next few months, and a waiting list stretching into the hundreds, they have proven hugely popular with many residents looking for somewhere to securely store their bikes. However, the units have also attracted the ire of some locals who claim that they are an eyesore and take up too much space, despite the hangars being able to fit in a space usually reserved for one car.

In November, a new cycle hangar in Norfolk Square, one of 60 already installed in the city since July 2022, was met with outrage after residents pointed out that it was hanging over two permit car parking spaces, prompting the council to investigate the hangar’s positioning.

Later that month, a Hove woman successfully persuaded the council not to put one of the new hangars outside her home because it was “unattractive” – leading one councillor to observe that people opposed to them do not seem to have a problem with “Range Rovers that are half parked on the pavement”.

And in January, things became even more heated when the council was accused of misleading the public after it claimed that a group of “unhappy” residents “surrounded” contractors tasked with installing one of the new hangars.

According to the council, staff from parking enforcement contractors NSL were in the process of implementing a parking suspension, in preparation for the installation of a second bike hangar on Cissbury Road, Hove, when they were “surrounded by a lot of unhappy residents”.

However, a Cissbury Road resident criticised the council’s account, branding it “misleading”, and claimed that he “had barely gotten a word out before I was threatened with the police”.

But, even in Brighton and Hove it seems, the hangars have yet to be blamed for the inattentiveness and carelessness of motorists driving into them (as far as we can tell).

As one cyclist noted on Twitter (link is external) this week, “is there anything that can’t be blamed on cycling infrastructure and cyclists?”

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The obvious solution is to treat bicycle bins as if they were -
appropriately enough -rubbish skips, with lights, hi viz, reflectors, etc
etc.

Oh…wait a minute…in what sector of the road-user community has that been a
dismal failure…

Over to Mason for a Must Have Last Word (MHLW) posting…

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
> An eleven-month-old baby was hospitalised last week after a driver
> collided with a roadside cycle hangar – and a local residents’ group has
> blamed the crash on the destroyed storage unit.
>
> The collision, which we featured on last week’s live blog, saw a motorist
> drive straight into the back of the green bike container located on Grove
> Lane in the Denmark Hill area of London, in what the Southwark News
> reports (link is external) was the second time a motorist has collided
> with the unit in just over three months.
>
> Following the crash, which took place at around 2.30pm on 6 March, a
> woman and an eleven-month-old baby were taken to hospital. No arrests
> were made and the baby is believed to be fine, though neighbours have
> told the local newspaper that the child’s mother is “beyond distraught”.
>
> A similar collision, which saw a driver knock the hangar sideways onto
> the pavement, occurred on the evening of 2 December 2022. No one was hurt.
>
> The hangar has been removed since last week’s collision, with one local
> cyclist noting on Twitter that, yesterday evening at least, the space it
> formerly occupied was being taken up by a parked lorry.
>
> While the two collisions may raise concerns about the standard of driving
> in the area (considering the unit was placed in a car parking space), a
> local residents’ group has argued this week that the hangar was
> “dangerously” positioned and have criticised the council for not acting
> sooner to prevent motorists from colliding with it.
>
> According to the Southwark News (link is external), the local council was
> warned about the hangar’s placement by the Grove Lane Area Residents’
> Association (GLARA) soon after it was installed in October 2021.
>
> In that meeting, the group expressed concerns about the sight lines along
> Grove Lane for pedestrians, cyclists, and drivers, with Southwark
> Council’s cabinet member for leisure, parks, streets, and clean air,
> Catherine Rose, promising to review aspects of the road layout, including
> the hangar’s placement.
>
> However, until last week’s collision, the unit had been kept in its
> initial position, with the original container replaced after it was destroyed in December.
>
> The complaints about the hangar have also coincided with concerns from
> some residents that Grove Lane has become “more dangerous” in recent
> years thanks to the introduction of low traffic neighbourhoods and
> restrictions in nearby areas.
>
> Anti-LTN activists say these schemes have displaced more traffic onto
> main roads such as Grove Lane – though analysis carried out by Southwark
> Council has shown that traffic on the road has fallen by 12.7 percent
> compared to pre-Covid levels.
>
> Following last week’s crash, a spokesperson for the Grove Lane Area
> Residents’ Association pointed to the increased traffic on the road in a
> statement which claimed that incidents involving the bike hangar were “foreseeable”.
>
> “We as residents are ready and willing to work with the council to make
> improvements to Grove Lane and we want to see the council honour its
> manifesto commitments to reduce traffic on main roads – because this was
> foreseeable given it was the second accident on Grove Lane involving the
> bike hangar in the last three months,” the spokesperson said.
>
> The placement of cycle hangars – a growing presence in British cities
> thanks to the demand for safe and secure bike parking – has become
> something of a constant talking point in recent months.
>
> In Brighton and Hove, where the council is planning to introduce the
> units across the city, the hangars have proven a somewhat surprising and
> enduring source of contention in the south coast city.
>
> With 150 hangars expected to be rolled out across Brighton and Hove in
> the next few months, and a waiting list stretching into the hundreds,
> they have proven hugely popular with many residents looking for somewhere
> to securely store their bikes. However, the units have also attracted the
> ire of some locals who claim that they are an eyesore and take up too
> much space, despite the hangars being able to fit in a space usually reserved for one car.
>
> In November, a new cycle hangar in Norfolk Square, one of 60 already
> installed in the city since July 2022, was met with outrage after
> residents pointed out that it was hanging over two permit car parking
> spaces, prompting the council to investigate the hangar’s positioning.
>
> Later that month, a Hove woman successfully persuaded the council not to
> put one of the new hangars outside her home because it was “unattractive”
> – leading one councillor to observe that people opposed to them do not
> seem to have a problem with “Range Rovers that are half parked on the pavement”.
>
> And in January, things became even more heated when the council was
> accused of misleading the public after it claimed that a group of
> “unhappy” residents “surrounded” contractors tasked with installing one of the new hangars.
>
> According to the council, staff from parking enforcement contractors NSL
> were in the process of implementing a parking suspension, in preparation
> for the installation of a second bike hangar on Cissbury Road, Hove, when
> they were “surrounded by a lot of unhappy residents”.
>
> However, a Cissbury Road resident criticised the council’s account,
> branding it “misleading”, and claimed that he “had barely gotten a word
> out before I was threatened with the police”.
>
> But, even in Brighton and Hove it seems, the hangars have yet to be
> blamed for the inattentiveness and carelessness of motorists driving into
> them (as far as we can tell).
>
> As one cyclist noted on Twitter (link is external) this week, “is there
> anything that can’t be blamed on cycling infrastructure and cyclists?”
>

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Twenty new bike hangars are being installed on streets across the Bath area as part of a two-year trial to provide secure on-street cycle parking. The cycle hangars will provide lockable and secure storage for 120 bikes for residents who don’t have access to private cycle parking, such as a shed or garage.

They will be installed later in August, in a colour in keeping with the location, and maintained and operated by Falco on behalf of Bath & North East Somerset Council.

The hangars are part of a £193,000 two-year trial, which is funded by the government’s Transforming Cities Fund awarded by the West of England Combined Authority (WECA) and Bath Clean Air Zone revenue reserve.

Each hangar can store six bikes, with each space costing £42 a year to rent, during the trial period.

Councillor Sarah Warren, deputy leader and cabinet member for Climate Emergency and Sustainable Travel, said: “Our Journey to Net Zero policy aims to encourage a shift towards active travel methods such as cycling and discussions with residents who took part in the Citizens’ Panel on Active Travel revealed that while bike lanes were needed, it was also important having safe and secure storage for cycles.

“If we can make it easier for residents to store a bike by providing secure cycle parking near their homes, we hope that more people will be encouraged to use a bike for short journeys around Bath.

“This will help to reduce traffic congestion and air pollution and improve public health.”

“I would like to thank the communities who took part in our consultation and came forward with locations.

“People will have another chance to request hangars in their area later in the year when the West of England Combined Authority will be consulting on sites for additional funded hangars.”

Hangars will be installed on The Street in Radstock, Carpenters Lane in Keynsham and at the following locations in Bath:

Grove Street
Railway Place
Camden Road
Portland Place
Cleveland Place
Henry Street
Walcot Street
Vane Street
Lansdown Place West
Park Place
Upper Church Street
South Parade
Henrietta Mews
Catharine Place
Archway Street
Pulteney Gardens
Sydney Mews
Grosvenor Place

The locations were prioritised in areas where there was shown to be the greatest demand through a recent consultation.

Factors such as relative level of deprivation, whether a cycle is a mobility aid for disabled people or for carrying children, the likelihood a cycle could be stolen and feasibility were also considered, according to the local authority.

The hangers can be reconfigured by removing one of the stands to allow additional storage space for non-standard bikes used by people with a disability.

Non-standard bike spaces have not been requested by residents so far, however users are being encouraged to request this in future phases of the scheme.

The cycle hangars are already being trialled in Great Stanhope Street, New King Street and Sydney Buildings.

Residents can find out more about the new hangars or rent a space for their bike at www.rentals.falco.co.uk.

The West of England Combined Authority has been granted funding from the government’s Active Travel Fund for cycle hangars across the area.

A survey on proposed sites will be launched later this summer and could include up to 20 more cycle hangars across the district.

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swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> Twenty new bike hangars are being installed on streets across the Bath
> area as part of a two-year trial to provide secure on-street cycle parking.

What has Bath done to deserve such a fate?

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The council is cutting the cost of bike hangars spaces in Lambeth to help residents reduce their cost of living and carbon emissions.

The cut will make sure that a family of four will pay less to store their bikes than they pay for any residents parking permit for a car – which is currently just over £120 per year for an electric vehicle.

The on-street cycle storage units are important in helping people who live in flats and other homes with limited space keep their bike safe and secure when they are at home.

The price reduction of £12 per bike for a 12-month permit will come into effect from 10 August 2023.

Cllr Rezina Chowdhury, Lambeth’s Deputy Leader (Sustainable Lambeth and Clean Air), said:

“We know that residents are struggling with the cost of living and that they want to do more to tackle the climate emergency.

“A family that cycles should not pay more to store their vehicles than one that drives, but this was the effect of per-vehicle pricing. Now a family of four will not pay more to cycle than drive, and an individual will pay only a quarter for parking if they cycle.”

“Road traffic is a danger, particularly to children and disabled people, and toxic air hurts everyone. Walking and cycling make our streets safer, our air cleaner and is good for our health.

The council has a role to play in creating the right incentives for people to make greener choices.”

“This new measure supports our wider work to support our communities as we work on improving our neighbourhoods, improving our health and becoming net zero by 2030.”

There are currently 423 bike hangars in Lambeth, providing 2,538 cycle spaces, as part of the council’s commitment to installing 5,000 secure cycle storage spaces by 2026.

As well as annual subscriptions falling from £42 to £30, the council is also currently reviewing its charges for cycle storage on estates with a view to also cutting the cost to help ensure even more residents can afford access to secure bike storage.

These initiatives are part of Lambeth Council’s wider efforts to transform local streets to make them more pleasant, enjoyable public spaces that meet the challenges of a changing climate.

The council’s award-winning Kerbside Strategy will see a quarter of the kerbside reclaimed from car parking spaces, to allow for more community parklets, cycle infrastructure and climate resilient measures.

The council’s Big Shift campaign is also supporting people to make the switch from cars to sustainable forms of travel wherever possible.

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 by: Spike - Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:06 UTC

swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

> The council is cutting the cost of bike hangars spaces in Lambeth to help
> residents reduce their cost of living and carbon emissions.

<snip>

You posted this less than 48 hours ago.

Brain problems, perhaps?

Over to Mason for a Must Have Last Word (MHLW) posting…

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 by: JNugent - Sat, 12 Aug 2023 23:13 UTC

On 12/08/2023 10:06 pm, Spike wrote:
> swldx...@gmail.com <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> The council is cutting the cost of bike hangars spaces in Lambeth to help
>> residents reduce their cost of living and carbon emissions.
>
> <snip>
>
> You posted this less than 48 hours ago.
>
> Brain problems, perhaps?

no "perhaps" about it!
>
> Over to Mason for a Must Have Last Word (MHLW) posting…

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The 100th bike hanger in Enfield borough has been installed, providing secure residential parking space for 600 cyclists.

The bike hangars are on-street cycle storage containers that are accessible by key to those who pay for membership to that hangar.

A lack of space to park and store a bike at home is a barrier for many residents who might otherwise choose to cycle.

Rick Jewell, Enfield Council’s cabinet member for environment, said: “Through the journeys and places programme, the council is working to deliver secure cycle parking for residents across the borough.

“Bike hangars are fantastic as they provide an affordable and safe place for residents to park their bikes. There is more to be done, and we need to ensure we are making the best use of our roads, as the cycle hangars take up less space than a car but can secure up to six bicycles.

“More cycle parking close to homes, along with safe space to cycle on our roads, will enable more of our community to choose this healthy form of travel. I am very proud we have reached this important milestone of one hundred Enfield bike hangars.”

Residents can apply for a space in an existing bike hangar near to their home:
Email cycleparking@enfield.gov.uk

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