On 01/06/2023 13:58, Davey wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:44:06 +0100
> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 01/06/2023 11:04, Davey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 09:23:57 +0100
>>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, the Sky Broadband hub has a *DSL connector, (an RJ-11 socket)
>>>> that connects to an 'analogue' phone line. This supports ASDL and
>>>> VDSL connections, (depending upon what package has been selected
>>>> (or is possible from Openreach)
>>>>
>>> They are only using the ADSL connection. Then it broadcasts WiFi,
>>> presently to the PC upstairs. This does the same as the old BT Hub
>>> did.
>>>> It also has a WAN socket (an RJ-45) for punters that have FTTP
>>>> (this connects to Openreach's ONT)
>>>>
>>>> None of that differs at all to any other ISP supplied router. You
>>>> plug it in to whatever connection you have available, and it self
>>>> configures.
>>>>
>>>> I think you're getting bogged down with it being supplied by Sky,
>>>> it's basically a device that connects to the internet, and
>>>> generates a WiFi network
>>> And that makes sense. As far as the Broadband Hub is concerned, it
>>> talks WiFi to the PC, and hopefully it can talk WiFi to the Humax.
>>> it tries, but needed the Password. Hopefully that is now (soon?)
>>> available.
>>>
>>> When the old system, with roof-mounted antenna, became pretty
>>> useless, they contacted Sky, who provided a new set of boxes to give
>>> them a working setup, but there is no Sky subscription paid, so no
>>> Sky-specific services. So they have two different Sky boxes, one a
>>> broadband Hub, the other fed by a Sky Dish, that have a failure to
>>> communicate, the major problem being lack of any Streaming ability,
>>> not even BBC iPlayer being available.
>>>
>>> The Sky Dish, figure-of-eight cables, and Sky Box are connected to
>>> the TV set, (as is the Humax), but have no known connection to the
>>> Broadband Hub.
>>>
>>> The Sky Dish provides basic channels, such as one would get on
>>> Freeview, but with no streaming abilities, and no Sky Channels, as
>>> there is no subscription. It is functionally similar to a Freesat
>>> setup.
>>>
>>> Hopefully this describes the layout and history.
>>>
>> It sounds to me that the Sky 'TV' box is the older Sky+ box, (which
>> has no facilities for streaming anyway) so it's of no consequence
>> anyway in this scenario.
>>
> Agreed. They are not interested in going down that route.
>
>> What may well be a consideration is if the broadband connection is
>> only ADSL, then that might be limiting for any sustained use of
>> streaming.
>>
>> It depends however. ADSL maxes out at about 19 Mb/s if you are next
>> door to the exchange, (in which case fine) or can go as low as less
>> than 1 Mb/s if you are 5 or 6 miles from the exchange (non starter
>> for streaming)
> I am on ADSL, and I can stream TV with no problem. My friends used to,
> when there was an internet connection to the Humax. They just want to
> get that back. As for proximity to the exchange, they are in a town,
> rather than out in the sticks, like me, but mine is still fine.
>
Yes, you can get away with 7 or 8 Mb/s for 4K/UHD streaming (if it's
multi-pass non real time encoded) i.e. non live content, and 2-3 Mb/s for HD

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> >> What may well be a consideration is if the broadband connection is
> >> only ADSL, then that might be limiting for any sustained use of
> >> streaming.
> >>
> >> It depends however. ADSL maxes out at about 19 Mb/s if you are next
> >> door to the exchange, (in which case fine) or can go as low as less
> >> than 1 Mb/s if you are 5 or 6 miles from the exchange (non starter
> >> for streaming)
> > I am on ADSL, and I can stream TV with no problem. My friends used
> > to, when there was an internet connection to the Humax. They just
> > want to get that back. As for proximity to the exchange, they are
> > in a town, rather than out in the sticks, like me, but mine is
> > still fine.
> Yes, you can get away with 7 or 8 Mb/s for 4K/UHD streaming (if it's
> multi-pass non real time encoded) i.e. non live content, and 2-3 Mb/s
> for HD

And I do not stream anything remotely HD.
--
Davey.

On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:31:50 +0100
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 01/06/2023 13:58, Davey wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 11:44:06 +0100
> > Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> On 01/06/2023 11:04, Davey wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 09:23:57 +0100
> >>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well, the Sky Broadband hub has a *DSL connector, (an RJ-11
> >>>> socket) that connects to an 'analogue' phone line. This supports
> >>>> ASDL and VDSL connections, (depending upon what package has been
> >>>> selected (or is possible from Openreach)
> >>>>
> >>> They are only using the ADSL connection. Then it broadcasts WiFi,
> >>> presently to the PC upstairs. This does the same as the old BT Hub
> >>> did.
> >>>> It also has a WAN socket (an RJ-45) for punters that have FTTP
> >>>> (this connects to Openreach's ONT)
> >>>>
> >>>> None of that differs at all to any other ISP supplied router. You
> >>>> plug it in to whatever connection you have available, and it self
> >>>> configures.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think you're getting bogged down with it being supplied by Sky,
> >>>> it's basically a device that connects to the internet, and
> >>>> generates a WiFi network
> >>> And that makes sense. As far as the Broadband Hub is concerned, it
> >>> talks WiFi to the PC, and hopefully it can talk WiFi to the Humax.
> >>> it tries, but needed the Password. Hopefully that is now (soon?)
> >>> available.
> >>>
> >>> When the old system, with roof-mounted antenna, became pretty
> >>> useless, they contacted Sky, who provided a new set of boxes to
> >>> give them a working setup, but there is no Sky subscription paid,
> >>> so no Sky-specific services. So they have two different Sky
> >>> boxes, one a broadband Hub, the other fed by a Sky Dish, that
> >>> have a failure to communicate, the major problem being lack of
> >>> any Streaming ability, not even BBC iPlayer being available.
> >>>
> >>> The Sky Dish, figure-of-eight cables, and Sky Box are connected to
> >>> the TV set, (as is the Humax), but have no known connection to the
> >>> Broadband Hub.
> >>>
> >>> The Sky Dish provides basic channels, such as one would get on
> >>> Freeview, but with no streaming abilities, and no Sky Channels, as
> >>> there is no subscription. It is functionally similar to a Freesat
> >>> setup.
> >>>
> >>> Hopefully this describes the layout and history.
> >>>
> >> It sounds to me that the Sky 'TV' box is the older Sky+ box, (which
> >> has no facilities for streaming anyway) so it's of no consequence
> >> anyway in this scenario.
> >>
> > Agreed. They are not interested in going down that route.
> >
> >> What may well be a consideration is if the broadband connection is
> >> only ADSL, then that might be limiting for any sustained use of
> >> streaming.
> >>
> >> It depends however. ADSL maxes out at about 19 Mb/s if you are next
> >> door to the exchange, (in which case fine) or can go as low as less
> >> than 1 Mb/s if you are 5 or 6 miles from the exchange (non starter
> >> for streaming)
> > I am on ADSL, and I can stream TV with no problem. My friends used
> > to, when there was an internet connection to the Humax. They just
> > want to get that back. As for proximity to the exchange, they are
> > in a town, rather than out in the sticks, like me, but mine is
> > still fine.
> Yes, you can get away with 7 or 8 Mb/s for 4K/UHD streaming (if it's
> multi-pass non real time encoded) i.e. non live content, and 2-3 Mb/s
> for HD

Zen have just sent me a message about upgrading to fibre, and it
includes this current data:

"6 Mbps Average download speed^
0.4 Mbps Average upload speed"

--
Davey.

Whatever, it does what I need.

On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 23:09:48 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>Zen have just sent me a message about upgrading to fibre, and it
>includes this current data:
>
>"6 Mbps Average download speed^
>0.4 Mbps Average upload speed"

If those are your current speeds and you have the option of upgrading
to fibre, then go for it. You really will notice the difference.

Rod.

On Sat, 03 Jun 2023 09:53:27 +0100
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jun 2023 23:09:48 +0100, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Zen have just sent me a message about upgrading to fibre, and it
> >includes this current data:
> >
> >"6 Mbps Average download speed^
> >0.4 Mbps Average upload speed"
>
> If those are your current speeds and you have the option of upgrading
> to fibre, then go for it. You really will notice the difference.
>
> Rod.

While I don't doubt that fibre would be faster, what could be better
than streaming that never falters or shows the dreaded rotating wheel?
As I say, I don't stream anything HD.

I will take fibre when I have to, and my copper line is finally
disconnected.

--
davey.