I have bought a Panasonic TX-24MS480B 24 inch TV:
https://www.johnlewis.com/panasonic-tx-24ms480b-2023-led-hdr-hd-ready-720p-smart-android-tv-24-inch-with-freeview-play-black/p110545244
The sound is not too good. I have played around with all the settings
(and read the manual) but I cannot find any settings for treble, bass
or equalisation. Does this seem correct? Do other manufacturers offer
these settings? Am I expecting too much from a small TV? Has a sound
bar become a necessity these days?

On Fri 08/03/2024 22:08, Scott wrote:
> I have bought a Panasonic TX-24MS480B 24 inch TV:
> https://www.johnlewis.com/panasonic-tx-24ms480b-2023-led-hdr-hd-ready-720p-smart-android-tv-24-inch-with-freeview-play-black/p110545244
> The sound is not too good. I have played around with all the settings
> (and read the manual) but I cannot find any settings for treble, bass
> or equalisation. Does this seem correct? Do other manufacturers offer
> these settings? Am I expecting too much from a small TV? Has a sound
> bar become a necessity these days?

Settings > Device Settings > Sound? (Use the Menu key on the remote.)

I have a 32MS360B also from JLP and had to take it back as it forgot
settings overnight even though it was on standby.

Pity as it had satellite as well which could be helpful on occasion. By
chance I picked up a Manhattan satbox for a song and that does a superb job.

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 23:11:59 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>On Fri 08/03/2024 22:08, Scott wrote:
>> I have bought a Panasonic TX-24MS480B 24 inch TV:
>> https://www.johnlewis.com/panasonic-tx-24ms480b-2023-led-hdr-hd-ready-720p-smart-android-tv-24-inch-with-freeview-play-black/p110545244
>> The sound is not too good. I have played around with all the settings
>> (and read the manual) but I cannot find any settings for treble, bass
>> or equalisation. Does this seem correct? Do other manufacturers offer
>> these settings? Am I expecting too much from a small TV? Has a sound
>> bar become a necessity these days?
>
>Settings > Device Settings > Sound? (Use the Menu key on the remote.)
>
>I have a 32MS360B also from JLP and had to take it back as it forgot
>settings overnight even though it was on standby.
>
>Pity as it had satellite as well which could be helpful on occasion. By
>chance I picked up a Manhattan satbox for a song and that does a superb job.

What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
is better to install an aerial?

PS Sound style, balance, sound surround and equaliser detail all
greyed out. I have no idea what system sounds means. Surely you can
only set up the sound when the programme is playing?

On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
Scott wrote:

>What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
>moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
>keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
>is better to install an aerial?

I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Remember, the Flat Earth Society has members all around the globe.

On 9 Mar 2024 10:25:52 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

>On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
>Scott wrote:
>
>>What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
>>moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
>>keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
>>is better to install an aerial?
>
>I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
>is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?

Yes - it shows connected and displays Sky News and BBC iPlayer without
difficulty. I could not get Channel 4 News live and I am still having
problems with STV. All the time it asks me to scan channels. I have
tried this but of course no channels are found and the message
returns. Feeding in a coaxial cable would be a challenge.

On 09/03/2024 in message <eqiouipm6i1s4ig4utbtcedeq28setngk6@4ax.com>
Scott wrote:

>On 9 Mar 2024 10:25:52 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
>>Scott wrote:
>>
>>>What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
>>>moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
>>>keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
>>>is better to install an aerial?
>>
>>I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
>>is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?
>
>Yes - it shows connected and displays Sky News and BBC iPlayer without
>difficulty. I could not get Channel 4 News live and I am still having
>problems with STV. All the time it asks me to scan channels. I have
>tried this but of course no channels are found and the message
>returns. Feeding in a coaxial cable would be a challenge.

I've just looked at the manual, you need a degree nowadays!

My Panasonic TV isn't smart but the Panasonic DVD player is and its main
menu gives a Freeview Play/Catch up option where things like iPlayer,
ITVX, 4 etc. live that provide access to streaming services.

The thing that pops up asking you to retune is a PITA but hitting Exit
makes it go away.

Can you receive STV (Scottish TV ???) without an aerial? Does it actually
stream live TV?

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
Did you know on the Canary Islands there is not one canary?
And on the Virgin Islands same thing, not one canary.

On 09/03/2024 11:46, Scott wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2024 10:25:52 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>>> What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
>>> moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
>>> keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
>>> is better to install an aerial?
>>
>> I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
>> is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?
>
> Yes - it shows connected and displays Sky News and BBC iPlayer without
> difficulty. I could not get Channel 4 News live and I am still having
> problems with STV. All the time it asks me to scan channels. I have
> tried this but of course no channels are found and the message
> returns. Feeding in a coaxial cable would be a challenge.

What about making the equivalent of a (crap) set-top aerial and just
scanning. Maybe a length of single wire connected to the centre of the
connector will do. Possibly a single channel scanned and stored may make
the message disappear.

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On 9 Mar 2024 13:49:32 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
wrote:

>On 09/03/2024 in message <eqiouipm6i1s4ig4utbtcedeq28setngk6@4ax.com>
>Scott wrote:
>
>>On 9 Mar 2024 10:25:52 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
>>>Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>>What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
>>>>moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
>>>>keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
>>>>is better to install an aerial?
>>>
>>>I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
>>>is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?
>>
>>Yes - it shows connected and displays Sky News and BBC iPlayer without
>>difficulty. I could not get Channel 4 News live and I am still having
>>problems with STV. All the time it asks me to scan channels. I have
>>tried this but of course no channels are found and the message
>>returns. Feeding in a coaxial cable would be a challenge.
>
>I've just looked at the manual, you need a degree nowadays!
>
>My Panasonic TV isn't smart but the Panasonic DVD player is and its main
>menu gives a Freeview Play/Catch up option where things like iPlayer,
>ITVX, 4 etc. live that provide access to streaming services.
>
>The thing that pops up asking you to retune is a PITA but hitting Exit
>makes it go away.
>
>Can you receive STV (Scottish TV ???) without an aerial? Does it actually
>stream live TV?

The manual is a nightmare. As well as a degree, a trip to Specsavers
would be useful.

This is a good question. I thought all TV could be streamed live, but
I could be wrong about that. I know how to do it on BBC and Sky, I
have done it on another TV with Channel 4. Maybe I should try ITV X
instead and put in an English postcode?

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:35:50 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
wrote:

>On 09/03/2024 11:46, Scott wrote:
>> On 9 Mar 2024 10:25:52 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
>>>> moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
>>>> keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
>>>> is better to install an aerial?
>>>
>>> I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
>>> is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?
>>
>> Yes - it shows connected and displays Sky News and BBC iPlayer without
>> difficulty. I could not get Channel 4 News live and I am still having
>> problems with STV. All the time it asks me to scan channels. I have
>> tried this but of course no channels are found and the message
>> returns. Feeding in a coaxial cable would be a challenge.
>
>What about making the equivalent of a (crap) set-top aerial and just
>scanning. Maybe a length of single wire connected to the centre of the
>connector will do. Possibly a single channel scanned and stored may make
>the message disappear.

I thought about that - also whether an indoor aerial would work. (I
know you need a digital aerial not an analogue aerial and it will cost
three times as much -:)

On 09/03/2024 13:49, Jeff Gaines wrote:
> On 09/03/2024 in message <eqiouipm6i1s4ig4utbtcedeq28setngk6@4ax.com>
> Scott wrote:
>
>> On 9 Mar 2024 10:25:52 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
>>> Scott wrote:
>>>
>>>> What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
>>>> moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
>>>> keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
>>>> is better to install an aerial?
>>>
>>> I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
>>> is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?
>>
>> Yes - it shows connected and displays Sky News and BBC iPlayer without
>> difficulty. I could not get Channel 4 News live and I am still having
>> problems with STV. All the time it asks me to scan channels. I have
>> tried this but of course no channels are found and the message
>> returns. Feeding in a coaxial cable would be a challenge.
>
> I've just looked at the manual, you need a degree nowadays!

I had a look and there wasn't any mention in the sound setup of
adjusting bass and treble to your liking.

> Can you receive STV (Scottish TV ???) without an aerial? Does it actually
> stream live TV?

My Freeview Panasonic has a streaming app for STV which has been there
for 4 years. I tried it several years ago (when registration wasn't
required) and it worked well.

--

Jeff

On 09/03/2024 in message <u2touidu84qr7qor6bl5sdj556b390en1i@4ax.com>
Scott wrote:

>On 9 Mar 2024 13:49:32 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 09/03/2024 in message <eqiouipm6i1s4ig4utbtcedeq28setngk6@4ax.com>
>>Scott wrote:
>>
>>>On 9 Mar 2024 10:25:52 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
>>>>Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
>>>>>moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
>>>>>keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
>>>>>is better to install an aerial?
>>>>
>>>>I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
>>>>
>>>>is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?
>>>
>>>Yes - it shows connected and displays Sky News and BBC iPlayer without
>>>difficulty. I could not get Channel 4 News live and I am still having
>>>problems with STV. All the time it asks me to scan channels. I have
>>>tried this but of course no channels are found and the message
>>>returns. Feeding in a coaxial cable would be a challenge.
>>
>>I've just looked at the manual, you need a degree nowadays!
>>
>>My Panasonic TV isn't smart but the Panasonic DVD player is and its main
>>menu gives a Freeview Play/Catch up option where things like iPlayer,
>>ITVX, 4 etc. live that provide access to streaming services.
>>
>>The thing that pops up asking you to retune is a PITA but hitting Exit
>>makes it go away.
>>
>>Can you receive STV (Scottish TV ???) without an aerial? Does it actually
>>stream live TV?
>
>The manual is a nightmare. As well as a degree, a trip to Specsavers
>would be useful.
>
>This is a good question. I thought all TV could be streamed live, but
>I could be wrong about that. I know how to do it on BBC and Sky, I
>have done it on another TV with Channel 4. Maybe I should try ITV X
>instead and put in an English postcode?

It's worth a try!

I think you need Freeview Play to stream live TV. If you can talk to it
how about telling it to play various things just to see what it can do. I
did that with a car radio once, pressing buttons, nothing happening, then
a voice said something like "what do you want to do?" and I said something
like "play the radio you b*****d" and it did!

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
If Björn & Benny had been called Syd and Dave then ABBA would have been
called ASDA.

On 09/03/2024 14:42, Scott wrote:

> I thought about that - also whether an indoor aerial would work. (I
> know you need a digital aerial not an analogue aerial and it will cost
> three times as much -:)

There is no such thing as a digital aerial.

The same aerials that worked for analogue TV work with digital TV. There
is no difference in cost unless you fall for the marketing Bull Shit.

What did, or may have, changed between analogue and digital is the
channel frequencies the broadcasters use so, say, a band A aerial may no
longer cover the range of frequencies that are now broadcast in your area.

What tended to happen is that wideband aerials were sold under the term
"digital aerials". In general, these were no different from wideband
aerials sold for analogue TV.

What is now starting to be sold is wideband aerials that do not cover
the frequencies now allocated for the phone network (4G and 5G). These
aerials may also be known as band K aerials.

You should be able to pick up a log periodic band K aerial for under a
tenner or something from a company like blake for £17 to £30.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_Bp7cxZSZ8

--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk

On 09/03/2024 14:40, Scott wrote:
>
> On 9 Mar 2024 13:49:32 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Can you receive STV (Scottish TV ???) without an aerial? Does it actually
>> stream live TV?
>
> This is a good question. I thought all TV could be streamed live, but
> I could be wrong about that. I know how to do it on BBC and Sky, I
> have done it on another TV with Channel 4. Maybe I should try ITV X
> instead and put in an English postcode?

Don't forget that for the major five channels, all these channel-bespoke
solutions seem set to disappear, and be replaced by a single common
platform:

https://www.techradar.com/streaming/what-is-freely-the-new-bbc-itv-and-channel-4-smart-tv-platform-explained

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 09/03/2024 15:28, alan_m wrote:
>
> On 09/03/2024 14:42, Scott wrote:
>>
>> I thought about that - also whether an indoor aerial would work. (I
>> know you need a digital aerial not an analogue aerial and it will cost
>> three times as much -:)
>
> There is no such thing as a digital aerial.
>
> [snip]

Whoosh! Someone didn't spot the smiley!

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

In article <48toui5osjlcehbt7jdbq104v9ckcigv18@4ax.com>,
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 14:35:50 +0000, alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk>
> wrote:

> >On 09/03/2024 11:46, Scott wrote:
> >> On 9 Mar 2024 10:25:52 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 09/03/2024 in message <jgdoui1u0brine3inrh04atgenktgp5t7d@4ax.com>
> >>> Scott wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> What settings did it forget? Also, I don't have an aerial at the
> >>>> moment. I wanted to see if I could run it via Wi-Fi instead, but I
> >>>> keep getting a message to retune the channels. Can I avoid this or is
> >>>> is better to install an aerial?
> >>>
> >>> I am streaming most things now, can you be sure from the settings that it
> >>> is definitely connected to your home network by WiFi or network cable?
> >>
> >> Yes - it shows connected and displays Sky News and BBC iPlayer without
> >> difficulty. I could not get Channel 4 News live and I am still having
> >> problems with STV. All the time it asks me to scan channels. I have
> >> tried this but of course no channels are found and the message
> >> returns. Feeding in a coaxial cable would be a challenge.
> >
> >What about making the equivalent of a (crap) set-top aerial and just
> >scanning. Maybe a length of single wire connected to the centre of the
> >connector will do. Possibly a single channel scanned and stored may make
> >the message disappear.

> I thought about that - also whether an indoor aerial would work. (I
> know you need a digital aerial not an analogue aerial and it will cost
> three times as much -:)

There's no such thing as a digital aerial. The only difference is you might
need it to cover different channels than before.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:20:35 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

>Don't forget that for the major five channels, all these channel-bespoke
>solutions seem set to disappear, and be replaced by a single common
>platform:
>
>https://www.techradar.com/streaming/what-is-freely-the-new-bbc-itv-and-channel-4-smart-tv-platform-explained

Interesting. On that web page it's described as "a new smart TV
streaming service that will allow users to watch live TV via the
internet for free".

I wonder if that means we wouldn't need a licence to watch it, because
that's what the words imply. Aside from the need to buy a licence,
with a Freeview receiver we can watch live TV for free anyway, so what
else would be changed by putting it on a streaming system?

Personally I don't see the appeal of going back to the olden days when
you could only watch TV programmes to somebody else's timetable
instead of your own, but if people want it that's up to them. It
certainly makes sense from a practical point of view for those with
fibre connections to use the same equipment for all their TV viewing.

Rod.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 09:47:16 +0000, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:20:35 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>Don't forget that for the major five channels, all these channel-bespoke
>>solutions seem set to disappear, and be replaced by a single common
>>platform:
>>
>>https://www.techradar.com/streaming/what-is-freely-the-new-bbc-itv-and-channel-4-smart-tv-platform-explained
>
>Interesting. On that web page it's described as "a new smart TV
>streaming service that will allow users to watch live TV via the
>internet for free".
>
>I wonder if that means we wouldn't need a licence to watch it, because
>that's what the words imply. Aside from the need to buy a licence,
>with a Freeview receiver we can watch live TV for free anyway, so what
>else would be changed by putting it on a streaming system?
>
>Personally I don't see the appeal of going back to the olden days when
>you could only watch TV programmes to somebody else's timetable
>instead of your own, but if people want it that's up to them. It
>certainly makes sense from a practical point of view for those with
>fibre connections to use the same equipment for all their TV viewing.
>
I may be missing something but I want to watch Channel 4 News at 7 pm
and I cannot find Channel 4 live on the Channel 4 app. Likewise, I
cannot get STV but I can get Sky News and BBC iPlayer (live). This is
a Panasonic TV running with Android so I am wondering if there are
other options. At the moment I don't have an aerial and I thought it
could all be done via broadband, but the descriptions I have read are
confused (or at least the reader is confused).

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 09:47:16 +0000
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:20:35 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Don't forget that for the major five channels, all these
> >channel-bespoke solutions seem set to disappear, and be replaced by
> >a single common platform:
> >
> >https://www.techradar.com/streaming/what-is-freely-the-new-bbc-itv-and-channel-4-smart-tv-platform-explained
>
> Interesting. On that web page it's described as "a new smart TV
> streaming service that will allow users to watch live TV via the
> internet for free".
>
> I wonder if that means we wouldn't need a licence to watch it, because
> that's what the words imply. Aside from the need to buy a licence,
> with a Freeview receiver we can watch live TV for free anyway, so what
> else would be changed by putting it on a streaming system?
>
> Personally I don't see the appeal of going back to the olden days when
> you could only watch TV programmes to somebody else's timetable
> instead of your own, but if people want it that's up to them. It
> certainly makes sense from a practical point of view for those with
> fibre connections to use the same equipment for all their TV viewing.
>
> Rod.

Maybe they mean:

> "... a new smart TV streaming service that will allow users to watch
> SOME specific live TV via the internet for free".

And bear in mind that the BBC requires you to have a license to watch
BBC TV, irrespective of how it gets to you. How much you obey that is
up to you.

--
Davey.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:28:56 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 09:47:16 +0000
>Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:20:35 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Don't forget that for the major five channels, all these
>> >channel-bespoke solutions seem set to disappear, and be replaced by
>> >a single common platform:
>> >
>> >https://www.techradar.com/streaming/what-is-freely-the-new-bbc-itv-and-channel-4-smart-tv-platform-explained
>>
>> Interesting. On that web page it's described as "a new smart TV
>> streaming service that will allow users to watch live TV via the
>> internet for free".
>>
>> I wonder if that means we wouldn't need a licence to watch it, because
>> that's what the words imply. Aside from the need to buy a licence,
>> with a Freeview receiver we can watch live TV for free anyway, so what
>> else would be changed by putting it on a streaming system?
>>
>> Personally I don't see the appeal of going back to the olden days when
>> you could only watch TV programmes to somebody else's timetable
>> instead of your own, but if people want it that's up to them. It
>> certainly makes sense from a practical point of view for those with
>> fibre connections to use the same equipment for all their TV viewing.
>>
>> Rod.
>
>Maybe they mean:
>
>> "... a new smart TV streaming service that will allow users to watch
>> SOME specific live TV via the internet for free".

Or maybe it is the NHS formulation 'free at the point of delivery'.
Medical treatment is not 'free' but paid for by tax and National
Insurance.
>
>And bear in mind that the BBC requires you to have a license to watch
>BBC TV, irrespective of how it gets to you. How much you obey that is
>up to you.

Technically I believe the licence is to watch *any* television channel
not just the BBC. Otherwise, people would have argued over the years
'I only watch ITV' to claim exemption from the TV licence.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:48:55 +0000
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

> Technically I believe the licence is to watch *any* television channel
> not just the BBC. Otherwise, people would have argued over the years
> 'I only watch ITV' to claim exemption from the TV licence.

Quite possibly.

--
Davey.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 12:26:11 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:48:55 +0000
>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Technically I believe the licence is to watch *any* television channel
>> not just the BBC. Otherwise, people would have argued over the years
>> 'I only watch ITV' to claim exemption from the TV licence.
>
>Quite possibly.

The exemption is that you can watch anything other than the BBC as
long as it's not "live", which effectively rules out conventional
broadcasts from a transmitter.

This assumes the modern meaning of "live", which apparently no longer
means "as the events you are watching are actually happening and are
not a recording", but "as the events you are watching are actually
being transmitted by one of the mainstream broadcasting channels, even
if it is a recording".

I'm not sure how much of this definition depends on the technology,
for example if a mainstream broadcaster were to put something *only*
online and not transmit it, would that count as a broadcast, or as a
"livestream"? Apparently online livestreams are also exempt, but only
from online slources that are not also transmitting them, so I'm not
sure if that would include such a thing from a traditional mainstream
broadcaster if it wasn't also transmitting it. The whole scheme is a
confusing mess, and the broadcasters and licence collectors don't seem
to be doing much to clarify it.

Rod.

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 16:20:35 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

>On 09/03/2024 14:40, Scott wrote:
>>
>> On 9 Mar 2024 13:49:32 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you receive STV (Scottish TV ???) without an aerial? Does it actually
>>> stream live TV?
>>
>> This is a good question. I thought all TV could be streamed live, but
>> I could be wrong about that. I know how to do it on BBC and Sky, I
>> have done it on another TV with Channel 4. Maybe I should try ITV X
>> instead and put in an English postcode?
>
>Don't forget that for the major five channels, all these channel-bespoke
>solutions seem set to disappear, and be replaced by a single common
>platform:
>
>https://www.techradar.com/streaming/what-is-freely-the-new-bbc-itv-and-channel-4-smart-tv-platform-explained

Thanks for that. One to watch. I see the guarantee does not cover
availability of future services.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 13:34:57 +0000, Roderick Stewart
<rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 12:26:11 +0000, Davey <davey@example.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:48:55 +0000
>>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Technically I believe the licence is to watch *any* television channel
>>> not just the BBC. Otherwise, people would have argued over the years
>>> 'I only watch ITV' to claim exemption from the TV licence.
>>
>>Quite possibly.
>
>The exemption is that you can watch anything other than the BBC as
>long as it's not "live", which effectively rules out conventional
>broadcasts from a transmitter.
>
>This assumes the modern meaning of "live", which apparently no longer
>means "as the events you are watching are actually happening and are
>not a recording", but "as the events you are watching are actually
>being transmitted by one of the mainstream broadcasting channels, even
>if it is a recording".

So if they show the Coronation again, you need a licence to watch it?
Or the 1966 World Cup. Opening night of ITV?
>
>I'm not sure how much of this definition depends on the technology,
>for example if a mainstream broadcaster were to put something *only*
>online and not transmit it, would that count as a broadcast, or as a
>"livestream"? Apparently online livestreams are also exempt, but only
>from online slources that are not also transmitting them, so I'm not
>sure if that would include such a thing from a traditional mainstream
>broadcaster if it wasn't also transmitting it. The whole scheme is a
>confusing mess, and the broadcasters and licence collectors don't seem
>to be doing much to clarify it.
>
I would have thought 'broadcast' was a more meaningful term than
'transmitted'. Gold (radio) is online only, so is it transmitted at
all (except if it's on satellite then it is transmitted, but is it
transmitted in the UK)? I agree it's big mess.

On 09/03/2024 16:20, Java Jive wrote:
> On 09/03/2024 14:40, Scott wrote:
>>
>> On 9 Mar 2024 13:49:32 GMT, "Jeff Gaines" <jgnewsid@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you receive STV (Scottish TV ???) without an aerial? Does it
>>> actually
>>> stream live TV?
>>
>> This is a good question. I thought all TV could be streamed live, but
>> I could be wrong about that. I know how to do it on BBC and Sky, I
>> have done it on another TV with Channel 4. Maybe I should try ITV X
>> instead and put in an English postcode?
>
> Don't forget that for the major five channels, all these channel-bespoke
> solutions seem set to disappear, and be replaced by a single common
> platform:
>
> https://www.techradar.com/streaming/what-is-freely-the-new-bbc-itv-and-channel-4-smart-tv-platform-explained
>

I'm a little confused... What does Freely give that BBC iPlayer, ITVHub,
4OD and Demand5 doesn't give?

i.e, we can already watch all these channels on iplayer, ITVHub, 4OD and
Demand5 without using Freely?