In article <xn0oje6fr4ya1i400c@news.individual.net>, Jeff Gaines
<jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 16/03/2024 in message <5b42849e4fbob@sick-of-spam.invalid> Bob Latham
> wrote:

> >Remember, we now live in a state where one woman standing alone in
> >silent prayer (no banners, no placards) opposite an abortion clinic can
> >be arrested but a whole hoard of muslims in full, on their knees prayer
> >in the street is perfectly fine.

> The same state was up in arms when the Palestinian flag was raised at a
> football match (in Scotland) and at a junior league match - where
> apparently one Israeli family complained so the match was abandoned.

> Frankly knowing who our government treats as the goodies and who the
> baddies is impossible to tell.

My impression is that our current 'government' (sic) judge by the pound
(sterling) donated.

Odd, though, to regard people praying as something that *must* be 'bad'.
That said, I'd suspect that many who seek an abortion are already in
sensitive state of mind. So may need treating with some tact and care.
Including a context which may be omitted by reports... and usenet rants or
whines.

Beyond, that wrt 'faith systems', etc, maybe just another case of people
not being able (or willing) to distinguish between issues like 'anti
semitism' and 'anti zionism', etc. In reality circumstances affect cases.

I'd usually say "devil in the (omitted) details' but perhaps not the ideal
way to put it in the above context. Perhaps some level of "two point paper"
reporting might be a better way to indicate that... Can't tell from such
brief - cherry-picked - assertions by Bob.

Surprised that you'd need a Panny 24-inch TV to know about it, though. :-)

Jim

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In article <l5lcfgFprutU1@mid.individual.net>, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com>
wrote:
> > I'm concerned about the 'big tech' companies and the ultra-wealthy
> > doing this via their 'commerical' apps, devices, software, etc. Can't
> > say it would concern me for the UK Gov to know I watch the BBC.

> Keeping in mind that "If you give me six lines written by the hand of
> the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang
> him", any detective constable worth his salt would use your BBC-watching
> against you.

To which, apply what I said above. :-)

Then add in the deep-fakery which is now becoming common via big-tech
non-UK platforms like twerper, etc.

Jim

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In article <5b42849e4fbob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
<bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
> I'm sure people would be quite safe watching the propaganda channels put
> out by the elite so BBC, Sky, C4 no issues for certain. What about GB
> news (or others), that trigger the offcom-munists on a regular basis who
> like to make sure that the media stay well left of centre or else.
> Interesting indeed to see where all of those people came from, no prizes
> for guessing.

Get back to me on that when you've shown you can understand why your '2
point paper' was dribble. Or even dare to read a book I suggested. :-)

Jim

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Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <l5lcfgFprutU1@mid.individual.net>, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com>
> wrote:
>>> I'm concerned about the 'big tech' companies and the ultra-wealthy
>>> doing this via their 'commerical' apps, devices, software, etc. Can't
>>> say it would concern me for the UK Gov to know I watch the BBC.
>
>> Keeping in mind that "If you give me six lines written by the hand of
>> the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang
>> him", any detective constable worth his salt would use your BBC-watching
>> against you.
>
> To which, apply what I said above. :-)

> Then add in the deep-fakery which is now becoming common via big-tech
> non-UK platforms like twerper, etc.

> Jim

Oh, quite so. Perhaps one way to judge what one sees, reads, or hears, is
to apply the ‘cui bono’ test to the reporting in question.

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Spike

In article <l5ntulF74c7U1@mid.individual.net>, Spike <aero.spike@mail.com>
wrote:
> > To which, apply what I said above. :-)

> > Then add in the deep-fakery which is now becoming common via big-tech
> > non-UK platforms like twerper, etc.

> > Jim

> Oh, quite so. Perhaps one way to judge what one sees, reads, or hears,
> is to apply the 'cui bono' test to the reporting in question.

Given the rise in the weathy, etc, using 'Artificial Intellegence' to
replace mere people I have begun to wonder if we should tax the use of AI
on the basis that otherwise they'd have paid someone to do the work, and
that payment would attract tax. Thus the 'pro' use of AI loses both
emplyoment and tax which could benefit those who might need it to aid their
ability to work. (e.g. pay for education and health and make people more
able to work than if this isn't provided.)

Jim

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On 16 Mar 2024 12:15, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <l5lcfgFprutU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
>> Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>> > In article <5b41f85672bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
>> > <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >> No, what bothers me is data gathering by the thought police in
>> >> one guise or another. Unfortunately, we live in a world where
>> >> unhinged people see themselves as virtuous but shutting down
>> >> their political opponents by dirty means whilst claiming it's
>> >> for the greater good.
>
>> > I'm concerned about the 'big tech' companies and the
>> > ultra-wealthy doing this via their 'commerical' apps, devices,
>> > software, etc. Can't say it would concern me for the UK Gov to
>> > know I watch the BBC.
>
>> Keeping in mind that ”If you give me six lines written by the hand
>> of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will
>> hang him•, any detective constable worth his salt would use your
>> BBC-watching against you.
>
> I'm sure people would be quite safe watching the propaganda channels
> put out by the elite so BBC, Sky, C4 no issues for certain. What
> about GB news (or others), that trigger the offcom-munists on a
> regular basis who like to make sure that the media stay well left of
> centre or else. Interesting indeed to see where all of those people
> came from, no prizes for guessing.
>
> Remember, we now live in a state where one woman standing alone in
> silent prayer (no banners, no placards) opposite an abortion clinic
> can be arrested but a whole hoard of muslims in full, on their knees
> prayer in the street is perfectly fine. Or a guy alone carries a
> placard saying that Hamas are terrorists gets forced to the ground
> and arrested. Again, this while Hamas and terrorist supporters can
> climb over and deface monuments and call for (from the river to the
> sea) genocide of the jews - all fine.
>
> The days when the boys in blue could be relied upon to uphold the law
> equally for all are long gone, they've clearly taken a side. I never
> thought Britain could sink this low but it has. That's why snooping
> is now a worry, you cannot predict how much worse things are going to
> get.
>
> The Tories have been truly awful but in the summer we get a Labour
> government - God help us. This isn't a Labour concerned with working
> people and the poor getting a fair crack, oh no. All Labour are
> concerned with now are their luxury belief ideologies. Logic, reason,
> common sense all gone. An emperor's new clothes world where anyone
> with half a brain can see the insanity but you cannot speak against
> the ideologies.
>
> Britain is done, we stand at the gates of hell and there's no way
> back.

If you don't like British values, why don't you leave?

On 16 Mar 2024 12:15, Bob Latham wrote:
> In article <l5lcfgFprutU1@mid.individual.net>,
> Spike <aero.spike@mail.com> wrote:
>> Jim Lesurf <noise@audiomisc.co.uk> wrote:
>> > In article <5b41f85672bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>, Bob Latham
>> > <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> >> No, what bothers me is data gathering by the thought police in
>> >> one guise or another. Unfortunately, we live in a world where
>> >> unhinged people see themselves as virtuous but shutting down
>> >> their political opponents by dirty means whilst claiming it's
>> >> for the greater good.
>
>> > I'm concerned about the 'big tech' companies and the
>> > ultra-wealthy doing this via their 'commerical' apps, devices,
>> > software, etc. Can't say it would concern me for the UK Gov to
>> > know I watch the BBC.
>
>> Keeping in mind that ”If you give me six lines written by the hand
>> of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will
>> hang him•, any detective constable worth his salt would use your
>> BBC-watching against you.
>
> I'm sure people would be quite safe watching the propaganda channels
> put out by the elite so BBC, Sky, C4 no issues for certain. What
> about GB news (or others), that trigger the offcom-munists on a
> regular basis who like to make sure that the media stay well left of
> centre or else. Interesting indeed to see where all of those people
> came from, no prizes for guessing.
>
> Remember, we now live in a state where one woman standing alone in
> silent prayer (no banners, no placards) opposite an abortion clinic
> can be arrested but a whole hoard of muslims in full, on their knees
> prayer in the street is perfectly fine. Or a guy alone carries a
> placard saying that Hamas are terrorists gets forced to the ground
> and arrested. Again, this while Hamas and terrorist supporters can
> climb over and deface monuments and call for (from the river to the
> sea) genocide of the jews - all fine.
>
> The days when the boys in blue could be relied upon to uphold the law
> equally for all are long gone, they've clearly taken a side. I never
> thought Britain could sink this low but it has. That's why snooping
> is now a worry, you cannot predict how much worse things are going to
> get.
>
> The Tories have been truly awful but in the summer we get a Labour
> government - God help us. This isn't a Labour concerned with working
> people and the poor getting a fair crack, oh no. All Labour are
> concerned with now are their luxury belief ideologies. Logic, reason,
> common sense all gone. An emperor's new clothes world where anyone
> with half a brain can see the insanity but you cannot speak against
> the ideologies.
>
> Britain is done, we stand at the gates of hell and there's no way
> back.

If you don't like British values, why don't you leave?

In article <l5qnimFk4h7U1@mid.individual.net>,
Rupert Moss-Eccardt <nin@moss-eccardt.com> wrote:

> If you don't like British values, why don't you leave?

Which British values, the logical sensible ones I grew up with or the
insane ideology driven nonsense being thrust upon people now?

Bob.