On Tuesday, 27 June 2023 at 16:53:57 UTC+1, Tweed wrote:
> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply49...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 26/06/2023 18:38, Pamela wrote:
> >> On 17:55 16 Jun 2023, Jack Harry Teesdale said:
> >>
> >>> On 16/06/2023 17:40, Tweed wrote:
> >>>> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply49...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>> I had a text from Vodafone today reminding that my 3G Vodafone
> >>>>> branded PAYG smart-phone will revert to 2G only soon thus losing
> >>>>> the ability to use t'internet.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> As a sop Vodafone are offering a 10% discount on an upgraded phone
> >>>>> and kindly provided a link, however when I tried the link it
> >>>>> directed me to their page 404, doh. Anyone would think it was
> >>>>> deliberate?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think I'll try another network, any recommendations?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> All the remaining networks claim they will turn off 3G in 2024.
> >>>>
> >>> Vodafone claim they a shutting down their 3G in 2023!
> >>
> >> Some old smartphones which use only 3G or lower will stop working. How
> >> many years back do you have to go to when such phones were on sale?
> >
> > My smartphone is *only* 7 yrs old purchased new 1n 2016, so not exactly
> > ancient!
> >
> It’s very ancient in the context of a rapidly changing technology..

Indeed. My phones: -

Year Tech Description Fate
1986 1G Technophone Kept; no 1G after ~2001, on loan to MOSI 2006 - 2016
1992 1G Motorola Elite Internal corrosion (sweat) Px'ed
1999 2G Motorola P7389 Damaged on loan, still works with externally charged battery, locked.
2000 2G Motorola P7389 Still works. BT *unlocked* SOGA replacement for above. Used by my partner until I bought her a Mot' RAZR.
2000 2G Motorola Ti250 Still works. BT accidental free upgrade.
2009 3G Samsung N79 Still works - retained for use by my partner. Superceded by
2011 3G Samsung N8 Still works. Lens cover cracked.
2017 4G Samsung S7edge SOGA return, refund + compo'
2018 4G Samsung S8 Minor fault, tired battery Px'ed for
2023 5G Samsung S23 ultra

for reference in the UK
1G 1985
2G 1993
3G 2003
4G 2012
5G 2019

Scott wrote:

> 3G smartphones are compatible with 2G and 2G is continuing for
> another 10 years.

A maximum of 10 years, they could decide to pull the plug sooner

Three were the first to offer 3G, but as that was their first offering,
the y had no legacy 2G, initially they offered fallback onto a Orange's
2G network, but they eventually killed-of that arrangement ...

On 27/06/2023 16:53, Tweed wrote:
> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 26/06/2023 18:38, Pamela wrote:
>>> On 17:55 16 Jun 2023, Jack Harry Teesdale said:
>>>
>>>> On 16/06/2023 17:40, Tweed wrote:
>>>>> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> I had a text from Vodafone today reminding that my 3G Vodafone
>>>>>> branded PAYG smart-phone will revert to 2G only soon thus losing
>>>>>> the ability to use t'internet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a sop Vodafone are offering a 10% discount on an upgraded phone
>>>>>> and kindly provided a link, however when I tried the link it
>>>>>> directed me to their page 404, doh. Anyone would think it was
>>>>>> deliberate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think I'll try another network, any recommendations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the remaining networks claim they will turn off 3G in 2024.
>>>>>
>>>> Vodafone claim they a shutting down their 3G in 2023!
>>>
>>> Some old smartphones which use only 3G or lower will stop working. How
>>> many years back do you have to go to when such phones were on sale?
>>
>> My smartphone is *only* 7 yrs old purchased new 1n 2016, so not exactly
>> ancient!
>>
>
> It’s very ancient in the context of a rapidly changing technology.
>

My 2016 phone which is in pristine condition and works perfectly should
not become obsolete after 7 years just because Vodafone decide to switch
off their 3G network early.

Conversely, why should I have to pay anywhere from £500 upwards just to
get back to the position I am in now?

Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:

> Tweed wrote:
>
>> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>>
>>> My smartphone is *only* 7 yrs old purchased new 1n 2016, so not exactly
>>> ancient!
>>
>> It’s very ancient in the context of a rapidly changing technology.
>
> My 2016 phone which is in pristine condition and works perfectly should
> not become obsolete after 7 years

In 2016, 4G would have been pretty normal for a smartphone?

On 28/06/2023 14:53, Andy Burns wrote:
> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>
>> Tweed wrote:
>>
>>> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>>>
>>>> My smartphone is *only* 7 yrs old purchased new 1n 2016, so not exactly
>>>> ancient!
>>>
>>> It’s very ancient in the context of a rapidly changing technology.
>>
>> My 2016 phone which is in pristine condition and works perfectly
>> should not become obsolete after 7 years
>
> In 2016, 4G would have been pretty normal for a smartphone?

Possibly, but who knew 3G would be switched off so soon?

Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 28/06/2023 14:53, Andy Burns wrote:
>> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>>
>>> Tweed wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My smartphone is *only* 7 yrs old purchased new 1n 2016, so not exactly
>>>>> ancient!
>>>>
>>>> It’s very ancient in the context of a rapidly changing technology.
>>>
>>> My 2016 phone which is in pristine condition and works perfectly
>>> should not become obsolete after 7 years
>>
>> In 2016, 4G would have been pretty normal for a smartphone?
>
> Possibly, but who knew 3G would be switched off so soon?
>

Perhaps you are willing to pay Vodafone for their economic losses to keep
3G going for you? 3G compared to 4G is not so efficient for the spectrum
used. Reusing 3G spectrum for 4G uses benefits the users as everyone gets a
better service. The death of your phone is for the greater good.

On 16/06/2023 21:48, Tweed wrote:
> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 16/06/2023 17:40, Tweed wrote:
>>> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> I had a text from Vodafone today reminding that my 3G Vodafone branded
>>>> PAYG smart-phone will revert to 2G only soon thus losing the ability to
>>>> use t'internet.
>>>>
>>>> As a sop Vodafone are offering a 10% discount on an upgraded phone and
>>>> kindly provided a link, however when I tried the link it directed me to
>>>> their page 404, doh. Anyone would think it was deliberate?
>>>>
>>>> I think I'll try another network, any recommendations?
>>>>
>>>
>>> All the remaining networks claim they will turn off 3G in 2024.
>>>
>> Vodafone claim they a shutting down their 3G in 2023!
>>
>
> My point was jumping networks is only going to give your phone another year
> or so.
>

At least that would give me time to sort a more modern phone.

On 28/06/2023 16:35, Tweed wrote:
> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 28/06/2023 14:53, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tweed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My smartphone is *only* 7 yrs old purchased new 1n 2016, so not exactly
>>>>>> ancient!
>>>>>
>>>>> It’s very ancient in the context of a rapidly changing technology.
>>>>
>>>> My 2016 phone which is in pristine condition and works perfectly
>>>> should not become obsolete after 7 years
>>>
>>> In 2016, 4G would have been pretty normal for a smartphone?
>>
>> Possibly, but who knew 3G would be switched off so soon?
>>
>
> Perhaps you are willing to pay Vodafone for their economic losses to keep
> 3G going for you? 3G compared to 4G is not so efficient for the spectrum
> used. Reusing 3G spectrum for 4G uses benefits the users as everyone gets a
> better service. The death of your phone is for the greater good.
>

Not at all, if you'd read my OP, I was asking for recommendations for
alternative networks.

On 27/06/2023 15:46, Scott wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jun 2023 18:38:55 +0100, Pamela
> <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 17:55 16 Jun 2023, Jack Harry Teesdale said:
>>
>>> On 16/06/2023 17:40, Tweed wrote:
>>>> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I had a text from Vodafone today reminding that my 3G Vodafone
>>>>> branded PAYG smart-phone will revert to 2G only soon thus losing
>>>>> the ability to use t'internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a sop Vodafone are offering a 10% discount on an upgraded phone
>>>>> and kindly provided a link, however when I tried the link it
>>>>> directed me to their page 404, doh. Anyone would think it was
>>>>> deliberate?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think I'll try another network, any recommendations?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the remaining networks claim they will turn off 3G in 2024.
>>>>
>>> Vodafone claim they a shutting down their 3G in 2023!
>>
>> Some old smartphones which use only 3G or lower will stop working. How
>> many years back do you have to go to when such phones were on sale?
>
> From other posts (Andy Burns), this seems to be incorrect. 3G
> smartphones are compatible with 2G and 2G is continuing for another 10
> years.

But because of the low bandwidth on 2G their IQ will decease to such a
level where they may be useless...

On 2023-06-27, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Scott wrote:
>>
>> > Can all 3G phones use 2G for calls and texts?
>>
>> I'd be amazed if not ...
>>
>>
>>
>
> Not on the 3 network. That???s a feature of the network, not the phone.

They might get access to Vodafone's 2G in the future...

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