Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470

"Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.

Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.

It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
when travelling.

Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
take to limit roaming-related charges.

Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
than half a billion pounds a year.

Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
day to use their phone abroad.

It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
mobile providers six months to implement them."

Ofcom months behind the problem as always.

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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>
> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>
> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>
> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
> when travelling.
>
> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>
> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
> than half a billion pounds a year.
>
> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
> day to use their phone abroad.
>
> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>
> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.

I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?

I've been abroad three times this year so far and planning two more. Not a
single charge yet.

My family are a mix of ID mobile and plusnet.

On 22/07/2023 13:42, Chris wrote:
> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>
>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>
>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>
>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>> when travelling.
>>
>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>
>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>
>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>
>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>
>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>
You might get away with it in the EU, on O2 (or a derivative network),
but go further afield, and you WILL be charged, and charged a lot. No
exceptions

On 22/07/2023 at 13:15, Java Jive wrote:
> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>
> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>
> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>
> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
> when travelling.
>
> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>
> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
> than half a billion pounds a year.
>
> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
> day to use their phone abroad.
>
> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>
> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>

Indeed. We all knew that our exit from the EU would lead to this (even
people who denied it), at least with respect to roaming in Europe, but
Ofcom has only just discovered it and now wants to take a year to do
anything about it?

--
Wilf

On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 17:25:35 UTC+1, Wilf wrote:
> On 22/07/2023 at 13:15, Java Jive wrote:
> > Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
> > https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
> >
> > "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
> > using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
> >
> > Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
> > using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
> >
> > It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
> > when travelling.
> >
> > Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
> > take to limit roaming-related charges.
> >
> > Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
> > than half a billion pounds a year.
> >
> > Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
> > day to use their phone abroad.
> >
> > It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
> > mobile providers six months to implement them."
> >
> > Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
> >
> Indeed. We all knew that our exit from the EU would lead to this (even
> people who denied it), at least with respect to roaming in Europe, but
> Ofcom has only just discovered it and now wants to take a year to do
> anything about it?
>
> --
> Wilf

None more than Three who painted their [now broken] promise not to bring back EU roaming charges on the side of a bus
https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/three-brexit-bus-warns-potential-roaming-fees/1578960
https://www.threemediacentre.co.uk/content/go-roam-after-brexit/

Double suckers moved to Three thinking this would save them from roaming charges.

Some suckers [like me] bought Three 3-2-1 SIMs for tablets and spare phones, only to have them devalued by >90% when Three put up P&G charges 1,200%+.

notya...@gmail.com <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, 22 July 2023 at 17:25:35 UTC+1, Wilf wrote:
>> On 22/07/2023 at 13:15, Java Jive wrote:
>>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>>
>>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>>
>>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>>
>>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>>> when travelling.
>>>
>>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>>
>>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>>
>>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>>
>>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>>
>>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>>>
>> Indeed. We all knew that our exit from the EU would lead to this (even
>> people who denied it), at least with respect to roaming in Europe, but
>> Ofcom has only just discovered it and now wants to take a year to do
>> anything about it?
>>
>> --
>> Wilf
>
> None more than Three who painted their [now broken] promise not to bring
> back EU roaming charges on the side of a bus
> https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/three-brexit-bus-warns-potential-roaming-fees/1578960
> https://www.threemediacentre.co.uk/content/go-roam-after-brexit/
>
> Double suckers moved to Three thinking this would save them from roaming charges.
>
> Some suckers [like me] bought Three 3-2-1 SIMs for tablets and spare
> phones, only to have them devalued by >90% when Three put up P&G charges 1,200%+.
>

1p mobile seems to be a good bet. It still has European roaming (up to 14
Gb per month) and includes Switzerland which many do not. It’s on EE here
and seems to work well. I’ve recently purchased a 4G MiFi unit to cover a
house move. It came with a Smarty SIM (Three network and Three owned) which
I tried out. Data throughput barely managed a few Megabits/sec despite me
trying many different locations and potential cells. I was beginning to
think the unit was faulty. I then tried a 1p mobile SIM and got around 50
Mbit/sec down, 15 up.

The snag with 1p mobile and many others is what happens outside of the
European countries. They just go into silly fee territory and offer no
reasonable alternative. If you travel far and wide and don’t want to use an
alternative sim Vodafone seems to be one of the better alternatives with a
£6/day fee for places like USA, India etc

Another one to watch is Turkey, which is expensive on many plans. My son on
a recent trip to Kos (supposedly free Greece roaming) kept finding his
phone on Turkish networks.

On Sat, Jul 22 2023, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/07/2023 13:42, Chris wrote:
>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>>
>>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>>
>>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>>
<snip>
>> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>>
> You might get away with it in the EU, on O2 (or a derivative network),
> but go further afield, and you WILL be charged, and charged a lot. No
> exceptions
>

Or indeed Switzerland, recent trip home via Austria and France (by train) but the
Swiss leg was a wake up!

Robert
--
Robert Marshall twitter: @rajm

Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 22/07/2023 13:42, Chris wrote:
>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>>
>>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>>
>>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>>
>>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>>> when travelling.
>>>
>>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>>
>>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>>
>>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>>
>>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>>
>>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>>
> You might get away with it in the EU, on O2 (or a derivative network),
> but go further afield, and you WILL be charged, and charged a lot. No
> exceptions

That's nothing new, is it? That's why networks now have user-configurable
usage caps and we get a text from the provider every time we enter a
different country.

Was it the late 90s when there were all the reports of people racking up
huge bills.

On 23/07/2023 16:24, Chris wrote:
> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 22/07/2023 13:42, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>>>
>> You might get away with it in the EU, on O2 (or a derivative network),
>> but go further afield, and you WILL be charged, and charged a lot. No
>> exceptions
> That's nothing new, is it? That's why networks now have user-configurable
> usage caps and we get a text from the provider every time we enter a
> different country.
>

You're the one burbling on about moving to a network that doesn't charge
for roaming, not me.

On Sun 23/07/2023 16:24, Chris wrote:
> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 22/07/2023 13:42, Chris wrote:
>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>>>
>>>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>>>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>>>
>>>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>>>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>>>
>>>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>>>> when travelling.
>>>>
>>>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>>>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>>>
>>>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>>>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>>>
>>>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>>>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>>>
>>>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>>>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>>>
>>>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>>> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>>>
>> You might get away with it in the EU, on O2 (or a derivative network),
>> but go further afield, and you WILL be charged, and charged a lot. No
>> exceptions
>
> That's nothing new, is it? That's why networks now have user-configurable
> usage caps and we get a text from the provider every time we enter a
> different country.
>
> Was it the late 90s when there were all the reports of people racking up
> huge bills.
>

I have a different solution. I have a VoIP phone account and an app on
my phone. Find somewhere abroad (McD is a favourite or Tourist
Information centres) that has free wj-fi and make calls through the
wi-fi. It has the advantage that it shows up at the other end as a UK
number and the system thinks you are calling out from the UK.

Equally of course there is the option of WhatsApp.

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:42:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>
>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>
>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>
>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>> when travelling.
>>
>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>
>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>
>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>
>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>
>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>
>I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>
>I've been abroad three times this year so far and planning two more. Not a
>single charge yet.

Unfortunately such a provider doesn't exist.

All networks charge roaming fees for most overseas countries. Some
don't charge in the EU and a few other countries, but even then their
rules can change quickly and some customers may not notice.

Chris

On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 17:25:32 +0100, Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:

>On 22/07/2023 at 13:15, Java Jive wrote:
>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>
>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>
>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>
>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>> when travelling.
>>
>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>
>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>
>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>
>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>
>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>>
>
>Indeed. We all knew that our exit from the EU would lead to this (even
>people who denied it), at least with respect to roaming in Europe, but
>Ofcom has only just discovered it and now wants to take a year to do
>anything about it?

For mobile data I take a Pokefi wireless hotspot with me, which works
almost everywhere in the world. US$15 for 5GB of data in any country.
It seems to last me for ages.

I do most of my heavy data stuff (like app updates and other
downloads) using my hotel's wi-fi so don't really need a huge amount
of data when actually out and about. Just for maps, email, instant
messaging, satnav etc.

On 23/07/2023 18:07, Woody wrote:
>
>
> Equally of course there is the option of WhatsApp.
>
>
Everybody (who is just a 'normal' non geeky person) uses that now via
local Wifi, (or Facetime if it's Apple to Apple )

I get an increasing number of Whatsapp calls that are within the UK now,
the idea of using a mobile phone as 'POTs' is fast diminishing.

On 24/07/2023 at 05:05, Chris in Makati wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:42:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>>
>>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>>
>>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>>
>>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>>> when travelling.
>>>
>>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>>
>>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>>
>>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>>
>>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>>
>>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>>
>> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>>
>> I've been abroad three times this year so far and planning two more. Not a
>> single charge yet.
>
> Unfortunately such a provider doesn't exist.
>
> All networks charge roaming fees for most overseas countries. Some
> don't charge in the EU and a few other countries, but even then their
> rules can change quickly and some customers may not notice.
>
> Chris

For many non-EU countries, Vodafone at least makes it more predictable
by charging a fixed £6 per day to use your UK allowances. That's a lot
better than wondering how much a call is costing you per minute or how
much your data is costing you if you use Google Maps or whatever.
Three UK does something similar although they don't cover as many countries.

--
Wilf

On 24/07/2023 05:05, Chris in Makati wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:42:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>>
>>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>>
>>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>>
>>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>>> when travelling.
>>>
>>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>>
>>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>>
>>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>>
>>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>>
>>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>>
>> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>>
>> I've been abroad three times this year so far and planning two more. Not a
>> single charge yet.
>
> Unfortunately such a provider doesn't exist.
>
> All networks charge roaming fees for most overseas countries. Some
> don't charge in the EU and a few other countries, but even then their
> rules can change quickly and some customers may not notice.
>
Chris

O2 have free roaming in the EU.

On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 14:26:16 UTC+1, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
> On 24/07/2023 05:05, Chris in Makati wrote:
> > On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:42:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> >>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
> >>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
> >>>
> >>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
> >>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
> >>>
> >>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
> >>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
> >>>
> >>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
> >>> when travelling.
> >>>
> >>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
> >>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
> >>>
> >>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
> >>> than half a billion pounds a year.
> >>>
> >>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
> >>> day to use their phone abroad.
> >>>
> >>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
> >>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
> >>>
> >>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
> >>
> >> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
> >>
> >> I've been abroad three times this year so far and planning two more. Not a
> >> single charge yet.
> >
> > Unfortunately such a provider doesn't exist.
> >
> > All networks charge roaming fees for most overseas countries. Some
> > don't charge in the EU and a few other countries, but even then their
> > rules can change quickly and some customers may not notice.
> >
> Chris
> O2 have free roaming in the EU.
and EEA (Switzerland).

Cap of 25GB on data.

notya...@gmail.com <notyalckram@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, 24 July 2023 at 14:26:16 UTC+1, Jack Harry Teesdale wrote:
>> On 24/07/2023 05:05, Chris in Makati wrote:
>>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:42:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithi...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Java Jive <ja...@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>>>>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>>>>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>>>>
>>>>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>>>>> when travelling.
>>>>>
>>>>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>>>>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>>>>
>>>>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>>>>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>>>>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>>>>
>>>>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>>>>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>>>>
>>>>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>>>>
>>>> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>>>>
>>>> I've been abroad three times this year so far and planning two more. Not a
>>>> single charge yet.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately such a provider doesn't exist.
>>>
>>> All networks charge roaming fees for most overseas countries. Some
>>> don't charge in the EU and a few other countries, but even then their
>>> rules can change quickly and some customers may not notice.
>>>
>> Chris
>> O2 have free roaming in the EU.
> and EEA (Switzerland).
>
> Cap of 25GB on data.
>

But how is o2 performing as a UK network? Colleagues have left it because
of poor throughput. It seems to have many more users, both its own and
MVNO’s per MHz of licensed spectrum.

On Mon, 24 Jul 2023 14:26:08 +0100, Jack Harry Teesdale
<noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On 24/07/2023 05:05, Chris in Makati wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Jul 2023 12:42:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Mobile roaming charges: Ofcom proposes new rules to curb fees
>>>> https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-66256470
>>>>
>>>> "Mobile networks must tell people if they are going to be charged for
>>>> using their phone abroad under new plans from the UK regulator.
>>>>
>>>> Ofcom wants people to be alerted about potential fees for roaming -
>>>> using minutes, texts or data outside the UK.
>>>>
>>>> It says one in five people currently do not realise they face such fees
>>>> when travelling.
>>>>
>>>> Under the plans, customers must also be told about any action they can
>>>> take to limit roaming-related charges.
>>>>
>>>> Consumer groups say they are currently costing British phone users more
>>>> than half a billion pounds a year.
>>>>
>>>> Ofcom says some mobile networks are charging people approximately £2 a
>>>> day to use their phone abroad.
>>>>
>>>> It says it will make a decision on the new rules in 2024, and will give
>>>> mobile providers six months to implement them."
>>>>
>>>> Ofcom months behind the problem as always.
>>>
>>> I mean, just move to a provider that doesn't charge. Is it that hard?
>>>
>>> I've been abroad three times this year so far and planning two more. Not a
>>> single charge yet.
>>
>> Unfortunately such a provider doesn't exist.
>>
>> All networks charge roaming fees for most overseas countries. Some
>> don't charge in the EU and a few other countries, but even then their
>> rules can change quickly and some customers may not notice.
>>
>Chris
>
>O2 have free roaming in the EU.

That's what I said, but there's more to the world than just the EU.

O2 still charge for roaming in most countries.

Chris

On 26/07/2023 at 06:59, Chris in Makati wrote:
> That's what I said, but there's more to the world than just the EU. O2
> still charge for roaming in most countries. Chris

Indeed. Vodafone and Three, while charging for roaming outside the EU
have an arrangement where, for many countries, you play a fixed charge
per day £6 or so and then can use your UK allowance. Then at least you
know what charges you are in for, as opposed to paying per minute, per
text, per MB.
--
Wilf

Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 at 06:59, Chris in Makati wrote:
>> That's what I said, but there's more to the world than just the EU. O2
>> still charge for roaming in most countries. Chris
>
> Indeed. Vodafone and Three, while charging for roaming outside the EU
> have an arrangement where, for many countries, you play a fixed charge
> per day £6 or so and then can use your UK allowance. Then at least you
> know what charges you are in for, as opposed to paying per minute, per
> text, per MB.

And IDmobile, plusnet and others don't charge at all for EU roaming.

On 26/07/2023 11:48, Chris wrote:
> Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 at 06:59, Chris in Makati wrote:
>>> That's what I said, but there's more to the world than just the EU. O2
>>> still charge for roaming in most countries. Chris
>> Indeed. Vodafone and Three, while charging for roaming outside the EU
>> have an arrangement where, for many countries, you play a fixed charge
>> per day £6 or so and then can use your UK allowance. Then at least you
>> know what charges you are in for, as opposed to paying per minute, per
>> text, per MB.
> And IDmobile, plusnet and others don't charge at all for EU roaming.
>
Yes,  we all know that, it's been stated over and over again in here,
it's O-U-T-S-I-D-E the bloody EU where A-L-L mobile networks charge for
roaming, they always have, and they probably always will.

You glibly suggested up thread, that to avoid all roaming charges,
simply change to a network that doesn't charge for roaming

Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 11:48, Chris wrote:
> > Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:
> >> On 26/07/2023 at 06:59, Chris in Makati wrote:
> >>> That's what I said, but there's more to the world than just the EU. O2
> >>> still charge for roaming in most countries. Chris
> >> Indeed. Vodafone and Three, while charging for roaming outside the EU
> >> have an arrangement where, for many countries, you play a fixed charge
> >> per day £6 or so and then can use your UK allowance. Then at least you
> >> know what charges you are in for, as opposed to paying per minute, per
> >> text, per MB.
> > And IDmobile, plusnet and others don't charge at all for EU roaming.
> >
> Yes,  we all know that, it's been stated over and over again in here,
> it's O-U-T-S-I-D-E the bloody EU where A-L-L mobile networks charge for
> roaming, they always have, and they probably always will.
>
'Like at home' roaming regions aren't always only EU, however they
vary according to provider, so it can be worth shopping around.

--
Chris Green
·

On 26/07/2023 12:32, Chris Green wrote:
> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 11:48, Chris wrote:
>>> Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 26/07/2023 at 06:59, Chris in Makati wrote:
>>>>> That's what I said, but there's more to the world than just the EU. O2
>>>>> still charge for roaming in most countries. Chris
>>>> Indeed. Vodafone and Three, while charging for roaming outside the EU
>>>> have an arrangement where, for many countries, you play a fixed charge
>>>> per day £6 or so and then can use your UK allowance. Then at least you
>>>> know what charges you are in for, as opposed to paying per minute, per
>>>> text, per MB.
>>> And IDmobile, plusnet and others don't charge at all for EU roaming.
>>>
>> Yes,  we all know that, it's been stated over and over again in here,
>> it's O-U-T-S-I-D-E the bloody EU where A-L-L mobile networks charge for
>> roaming, they always have, and they probably always will.
>>
> 'Like at home' roaming regions aren't always only EU, however they
> vary according to provider, so it can be worth shopping around.
>
Three's 'Like at Home' roaming for countries outside the EU are now
subject to a 2 or 5 quid surcharge, and only applies (and only ever did)
to a limited number of non EU countries, notably those with Hutchinson
owned networks

Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 12:32, Chris Green wrote:
> > Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 26/07/2023 11:48, Chris wrote:
> >>> Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:
> >>>> On 26/07/2023 at 06:59, Chris in Makati wrote:
> >>>>> That's what I said, but there's more to the world than just the EU. O2
> >>>>> still charge for roaming in most countries. Chris
> >>>> Indeed. Vodafone and Three, while charging for roaming outside the EU
> >>>> have an arrangement where, for many countries, you play a fixed charge
> >>>> per day £6 or so and then can use your UK allowance. Then at least you
> >>>> know what charges you are in for, as opposed to paying per minute, per
> >>>> text, per MB.
> >>> And IDmobile, plusnet and others don't charge at all for EU roaming.
> >>>
> >> Yes,  we all know that, it's been stated over and over again in here,
> >> it's O-U-T-S-I-D-E the bloody EU where A-L-L mobile networks charge for
> >> roaming, they always have, and they probably always will.
> >>
> > 'Like at home' roaming regions aren't always only EU, however they
> > vary according to provider, so it can be worth shopping around.
> >
> Three's 'Like at Home' roaming for countries outside the EU are now
> subject to a 2 or 5 quid surcharge, and only applies (and only ever did)
> to a limited number of non EU countries, notably those with Hutchinson
> owned networks

Yes, but Three isn't the only cheap roaming option. I just used 'like
at home' as a label, not to mean only Three.

--
Chris Green
·

On 26/07/2023 11:48, Chris wrote:
> Wilf <wilf@postingx.uk> wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 at 06:59, Chris in Makati wrote:
>>> That's what I said, but there's more to the world than just the EU. O2
>>> still charge for roaming in most countries. Chris
>>
>> Indeed. Vodafone and Three, while charging for roaming outside the EU
>> have an arrangement where, for many countries, you play a fixed charge
>> per day £6 or so and then can use your UK allowance. Then at least you
>> know what charges you are in for, as opposed to paying per minute, per
>> text, per MB.
>
> And IDmobile, plusnet and others don't charge at all for EU roaming.
>

I feel £6.00/day is total rip off. So over a two week holiday that is
£84 or perhaps £90 depending on what they call a day....

Dave