Has the UK enacted any regulation of its own to implement the coming EU
replaceable battery directive for phones?

Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has the UK enacted any regulation of its own to implement the coming EU
> replaceable battery directive for phones?

Lol no. Not under this government. Maybe under the next but they've got a
lot damage to fix first.

On Wed 28/02/2024 07:36, Chris wrote:
> Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Has the UK enacted any regulation of its own to implement the coming EU
>> replaceable battery directive for phones?
>
> Lol no. Not under this government. Maybe under the next but they've got a
> lot damage to fix first.
>

Question: how many mobile phones do we manufacture in this country?
Zero? So legislation will not be needed here if the EU imposes
regulations as phones made for the EU are likely the same phones that we
have here - and <they> will come with a replacement facility built-in.

The problem is that if you can replace batteries the useful life of a
phone will dramatically increase, so I would suggest you are likely to
see more and more software that is OS dependent and thus become obsolete
(and the phone with it) in many cases long before the battery needs to
be changed.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 08:35:49 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

>On Wed 28/02/2024 07:36, Chris wrote:
>> Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Has the UK enacted any regulation of its own to implement the coming EU
>>> replaceable battery directive for phones?
>>
>> Lol no. Not under this government. Maybe under the next but they've got a
>> lot damage to fix first.
>>
>
>Question: how many mobile phones do we manufacture in this country?
>Zero? So legislation will not be needed here if the EU imposes
>regulations as phones made for the EU are likely the same phones that we
>have here - and <they> will come with a replacement facility built-in.

Is it now the case that new phones come without chargers? Does this
mean a UK phone is the same as an EU phone or are there different
frequencies to contend with?

On 28/02/2024 09:25, Scott wrote:
>
> Is it now the case that new phones come without chargers?

Whether or not to include a charger in the UK does NOT alter the basic
manufacture of the phone, so is irrelevant to Woody's point, which ...

> Does this
> mean a UK phone is the same as an EU phone or are there different
> frequencies to contend with?

[Why are you asking others to do research that *YOU* should be doing
before posting?]

.... you've now had explained to you multiple times, most recently when,
as widely predicted by everyone - except yourself who refused to
believe it would happen based, as usual, on zilch evidence - Apple
changed their connectors on new phones to USB-C:

On 07/09/2023 12:05, Scott wrote:
>
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 11:55:33 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>>
>> If you want to continue arguing go and find evidence that recently Apple
>> have used different charging connectors over regional variations of the
>> same model of phone.
>
> Of course they have not. The situation has only now arisen because of
> a regulation made by the EU.

Regardless of regulation, they have always had the choice to use
different charging connectors in different parts of the world, but have
never done so, because manufacturers of globally available equipment try
to keep as much of their products as possible the same across all
regional variations, in order to keep costs to a minimum. That basic
economic rule has not changed, and henceforth Apple will make all their
phones with USB-C sockets, because nothing else will make economic sense
for them. That is why there was ever a BBC article for me to quote from
to begin this thread, while you have produced zilch evidence to the
contrary. So, as I said before, if you want to continue arguing, go and
find some *EVIDENCE*.

[Stet.]

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Am 27/02/2024 um 18:43 schrieb Pamela:
> Has the UK enacted any regulation of its own to implement the coming EU
> replaceable battery directive for phones?
>

Why are you asking? Does the UK have any obligations to implement EU
directives?

I thought the whole point of Brexit was to allow the UK to bend over
backwards to monopolist multinational corporations.

--
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On 08:35 28 Feb 2024, Woody said:
> On Wed 28/02/2024 07:36, Chris wrote:
>> Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Has the UK enacted any regulation of its own to implement the coming
>>> EU replaceable battery directive for phones?
>>
>> Lol no. Not under this government. Maybe under the next but they've
>> got a lot damage to fix first.
>>
>
> Question: how many mobile phones do we manufacture in this country?
> Zero? So legislation will not be needed here if the EU imposes
> regulations as phones made for the EU are likely the same phones that
> we have here

The EU is a huge market but maybe smartphone manufacturers will choose
to make non-compliant handsets for the rest of the world (which now
includes the UK).

> - and <they> will come with a replacement facility built-in.
>
> The problem is that if you can replace batteries the useful life of a
> phone will dramatically increase, so I would suggest you are likely to
> see more and more software that is OS dependent and thus become
> obsolete (and the phone with it) in many cases long before the battery
> needs to be changed.

On 28/02/2024 09:25, Scott wrote:

> Is it now the case that new phones come without chargers? Does this
> mean a UK phone is the same as an EU phone or are there different
> frequencies to contend with?

The phones sold in the European region (that includes us) are equipped
the same RF features, and pretty much equipped for all RF
characteristics world wide. Otherwise, everyone would have trouble
roaming, (even if you did allow for the madness of producing
country/region specific phones)

All that said, our son ended up living and working in the middle of the
Austrian outback about 10 years ago. There he had to buy a local
(Asia/Pacific Region) phone because the available, and only available
network (Telstra I think) used (probably still do) 700 MHz in the
outback.

>
> All that said, our son ended up living and working in the middle of the
> Austrian outback about 10 years ago. There he had to buy a local
> (Asia/Pacific Region) phone because the available, and only available
> network (Telstra I think) used (probably still do) 700 MHz in the outback.
>

theres an Austrian outback ?

>
> I thought the whole point of Brexit was to allow the UK to bend over
> backwards to monopolist multinational corporations.
>

The UK was doing that before Brexit

Mark Carver wrote:

> The phones sold in the European region (that includes us) are equipped
> the same RF features, and pretty much equipped for all RF
> characteristics world wide.

or at least they vary on a continental scale, e.g. USA phones tend to
enable mmWave for 5G, but European models tend to just be sub-6GHz (not
sure about RoW models).

> Otherwise, everyone would have trouble
> roaming, (even if you did allow for the madness of producing
> country/region specific phones)

On 28/02/2024 13:18, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>
> theres an Austrian outback ?

G'day, Hans, where you been?

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He's waxing his Sheilah too!"

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Am 28/02/2024 um 13:10 schrieb Mark Carver:
> On 28/02/2024 09:25, Scott wrote:
>
>> Is it now the case that new phones come without chargers? Does this
>> mean a UK phone is the same as an EU phone or are there different
>> frequencies to contend with?
>
> The phones sold in the European region (that includes us) are equipped
> the same RF features, and pretty much equipped for all RF
> characteristics world wide. Otherwise, everyone would have trouble
> roaming, (even if you did allow for the madness of producing
> country/region specific phones)

You haven't got a clue.
>
> All that said, our son ended up living and working in the middle of the
> Austrian outback about 10 years ago. There he had to buy a local
> (Asia/Pacific Region) phone because the available, and only available
> network (Telstra I think) used (probably still do) 700 MHz in the outback.
>

You are confusing Austria with Australia.

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Am 28/02/2024 um 13:18 schrieb Abandoned Trolley:
>
>>
>> All that said, our son ended up living and working in the middle of
>> the Austrian outback about 10 years ago. There he had to buy a local
>> (Asia/Pacific Region) phone because the available, and only available
>> network (Telstra I think) used (probably still do) 700 MHz in the
>> outback.
>>
>
>
> theres an Austrian outback ?

Yes, it's near West Bromwich.

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On 28/02/2024 13:18, Abandoned Trolley wrote:
>
>>
>> All that said, our son ended up living and working in the middle of
>> the Austrian outback about 10 years ago. There he had to buy a local
>> (Asia/Pacific Region) phone because the available, and only available
>> network (Telstra I think) used (probably still do) 700 MHz in the
>> outback.
>>
>
>
> theres an Austrian outback ?

Ha !!!

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On 28/02/2024 08:35, Woody wrote:
>
> The problem is that if you can replace batteries the useful life of a
> phone will dramatically increase, so I would suggest you are likely to
> see more and more software that is OS dependent and thus become obsolete
> (and the phone with it) in many cases long before the battery needs to
> be changed.

My experience, as a low user of Android phones, is that either OS (and
app) bloat leaves no room for apps, and/or security fixes cease, before
the battery becomes an issue.

Also, it seems to me (having opened an Android up to replace a display)
that the main problem with making batteries replaceable by someone able
to replace a fuse (how many of those are left?) is the use of glue, but
the glued construction helps to make the phones waterproof and shock
resistant. High quality re-gluing needs pre-cut adhesive which costs
about half as much as the new battery.

I have noticed that various tooth cleaning appliances come with
instructions for removing batteries at the end of life, but this seems
to be destructive to the device, and is probably aimed at recycling the
battery, rather than prolonging the device's life.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 10:44:09 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

>On 28/02/2024 09:25, Scott wrote:
>>
>> Is it now the case that new phones come without chargers?
>
>Whether or not to include a charger in the UK does NOT alter the basic
>manufacture of the phone, so is irrelevant to Woody's point, which ...
>
>> Does this
>> mean a UK phone is the same as an EU phone or are there different
>> frequencies to contend with?
>
>[Why are you asking others to do research that *YOU* should be doing
>before posting?]
>
>... you've now had explained to you multiple times, most recently when,
>as widely predicted by everyone - except yourself who refused to
>believe it would happen based, as usual, on zilch evidence - Apple
>changed their connectors on new phones to USB-C:
>
>On 07/09/2023 12:05, Scott wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 7 Sep 2023 11:55:33 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> If you want to continue arguing go and find evidence that recently Apple
> >> have used different charging connectors over regional variations of the
> >> same model of phone.
> >
> > Of course they have not. The situation has only now arisen because of
> > a regulation made by the EU.
>
>Regardless of regulation, they have always had the choice to use
>different charging connectors in different parts of the world, but have
>never done so, because manufacturers of globally available equipment try
>to keep as much of their products as possible the same across all
>regional variations, in order to keep costs to a minimum. That basic
>economic rule has not changed, and henceforth Apple will make all their
>phones with USB-C sockets, because nothing else will make economic sense
>for them. That is why there was ever a BBC article for me to quote from
>to begin this thread, while you have produced zilch evidence to the
>contrary. So, as I said before, if you want to continue arguing, go and
>find some *EVIDENCE*.
>
I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a tangent. I
was not referring to the charging port on the phone, but to the socket
in the wall, which you will find is different in the UK to other EU or
European countries. Until recently, when a charger was provided in the
box, a different charger would be needed for the UK (and Irish)
market. Now that a charger is not included in the box, this particular
consideration will no longer apply.

As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
knowledge to research this meaningfully.

But thanks for your comments anyway even if they are irrelevant to my
question. Fortunately, Mark has answered it.

On 28/02/2024 18:33, Scott wrote:
>
> I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a tangent. I
> was not referring to the charging port on the phone, but to the socket
> in the wall, which you will find is different in the UK to other EU or
> European countries. Until recently, when a charger was provided in the
> box, a different charger would be needed for the UK (and Irish)
> market. Now that a charger is not included in the box, this particular
> consideration will no longer apply.

No, this point had already been raised by you as another straw man
earlier in that same thread, as in the following exchange

On 06/09/2023 17:18, Scott wrote:
>
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>>
>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different
>> charging connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what
>> is sold in this country too. Hence my posting it here.
>
> Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
> types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.

But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
appliance end!

> As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
> used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
> not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
> knowledge to research this meaningfully.

Search engines are there to be used.

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Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
> used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
> not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
> knowledge to research this meaningfully.

They vary, but mostly on a region/continent basis. See:
https://www.frequencycheck.com/

Any given carrier only uses a subset of the frequencies used in a particular
country.

Theo

On 28/02/2024 19:46, Theo wrote:
> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
>> used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
>> not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
>> knowledge to research this meaningfully.
>
> They vary, but mostly on a region/continent basis. See:
> https://www.frequencycheck.com/

And, in the UK in particular, during TV DSO, UHF channels 61 to 68 were
taken away from TV broadcasting and given to 4G mobile services
specifically to harmonise the UK's mobile bands with those of the EU and
wider Europe.

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On 28/02/2024 19:53, Java Jive wrote:
> On 28/02/2024 19:46, Theo wrote:
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
>>> used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
>>> not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
>>> knowledge to research this meaningfully.
>>
>> They vary, but mostly on a region/continent basis.  See:
>> https://www.frequencycheck.com/
>
> And, in the UK in particular, during TV DSO, UHF channels 61 to 68 were
> taken away from TV broadcasting and given to 4G mobile services
> specifically to harmonise the UK's mobile bands with those of the EU and
> wider Europe.
>
That's one way of looking at it, but it was something that was applied
in the ITU 'Europe' region, nothing to do with the EU, or UK, or any
individual country per se.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:45:52 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
wrote:

>On 28/02/2024 18:33, Scott wrote:
>>
>> I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a tangent. I
>> was not referring to the charging port on the phone, but to the socket
>> in the wall, which you will find is different in the UK to other EU or
>> European countries. Until recently, when a charger was provided in the
>> box, a different charger would be needed for the UK (and Irish)
>> market. Now that a charger is not included in the box, this particular
>> consideration will no longer apply.
>
>No, this point had already been raised by you as another straw man
>earlier in that same thread, as in the following exchange
>
>On 06/09/2023 17:18, Scott wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
> >> economical to make two models of the same phone with different
> >> charging connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what
> >> is sold in this country too. Hence my posting it here.
> >
> > Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
> > types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.
>
>But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
>countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
>appliance end!

Once again, I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a
tangent. I was referring to the continued need to provide variants for
the EU and UK/ROI markets (as was the practice when chargers were
included). Nothing to do with connecting the phone to the charger.
>
>> As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
>> used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
>> not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
>> knowledge to research this meaningfully.
>
>Search engines are there to be used.

And discussion groups are there for discussion. There is no obligation
upon you to participate in any particular thread.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:45:52 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/02/2024 18:33, Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a tangent. I
>>> was not referring to the charging port on the phone, but to the socket
>>> in the wall, which you will find is different in the UK to other EU or
>>> European countries. Until recently, when a charger was provided in the
>>> box, a different charger would be needed for the UK (and Irish)
>>> market. Now that a charger is not included in the box, this particular
>>> consideration will no longer apply.
>>
>> No, this point had already been raised by you as another straw man
>> earlier in that same thread, as in the following exchange
>>
>> On 06/09/2023 17:18, Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>>>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different
>>>> charging connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what
>>>> is sold in this country too. Hence my posting it here.
>>>
>>> Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
>>> types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.
>>
>> But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
>> countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
>> appliance end!
>
> Once again, I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a
> tangent. I was referring to the continued need to provide variants for
> the EU and UK/ROI markets (as was the practice when chargers were
> included). Nothing to do with connecting the phone to the charger.
>>
>>> As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
>>> used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
>>> not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
>>> knowledge to research this meaningfully.
>>
>> Search engines are there to be used.
>
> And discussion groups are there for discussion. There is no obligation
> upon you to participate in any particular thread.
>

It’s easy to have different stock keeping units (sku) for each country and
to pop the correct chargers in the box. It makes less sense to manufacture
lots of different handset versions unless there are strong reasons for
doing so.

In general, as has been said, handsets tend to be regionalised by
continent/ITU region. Frequency band allocation tends to be consistent
across an ITU region (it’s one of the purposes of the ITU).

An advantage of all of this is that a phone should be able to work as you
move between countries.

The use of modulation technique, ie 2/3/4/5 G is no longer tied to a
particular frequency band. In times gone by a particular band was licensed
to use a particular modulation method, but that is no longer the case. In
the UK at least, OfCOM allows the licence holder to decide what sort of G
they want to deploy where, and a modern phone will cope with this.

Back to the original point about user replaceable batteries - it’s a bit of
a double edged sword. It’s a lot harder to make a phone dust and
waterproof, and easily openable battery compartments inevitably lead to a
bulkier phone or less space for a battery and consequently lower operating
time.

On 28/02/2024 20:33, Scott wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:45:52 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 28/02/2024 18:33, Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a tangent. I
>>> was not referring to the charging port on the phone, but to the socket
>>> in the wall, which you will find is different in the UK to other EU or
>>> European countries. Until recently, when a charger was provided in the
>>> box, a different charger would be needed for the UK (and Irish)
>>> market. Now that a charger is not included in the box, this particular
>>> consideration will no longer apply.
>>
>> No, this point had already been raised by you as another straw man
>> earlier in that same thread, as in the following exchange
>>
>> On 06/09/2023 17:18, Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>>>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different
>>>> charging connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what
>>>> is sold in this country too. Hence my posting it here.
>>>
>>> Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
>>> types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.
>>
>> But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
>> countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
>> appliance end!
>
> Once again, I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a
> tangent. I was referring to the continued need to provide variants for
> the EU and UK/ROI markets (as was the practice when chargers were
> included). Nothing to do with connecting the phone to the charger.

No, your memory is conveniently forgetful, but I have the thread history
here in the form of all my replies to you, and therefore know that, just
as in this thread, you were arguing against someone who had bothered to
do some research from a position of having done zilch, raising
irrelevant straw men that didn't even apply to the point at issue, which
was that the EU compelling the use of USB-C connectors within its
borders would at last make Apple introduce them worldwide, because
nothing else would make economic sense for them, and this was proved to
be true the following week when, as had been widely predicted by
everyone except you and one or two others, the latest model of iPhone
was finally unveiled and indeed had a USB-C connector.

One might have hoped that your being shown to be wrong so conclusively
in that thread might subsequently have taught you the advisability of
researching your replies, but sadly your answer to Woody in this one
showed that you have learnt nothing, and simply peddled more irrelevant
straw men exactly as you had before, inevitably the suspicion being
raised again that this was because some find it impossible to judge
rationally *anything* involving the EU. Be that as it may, Woody's
argument remains entirely valid, that the EU compelling replaceable
batteries within its borders most probably will ensure that in time we
in the UK and everyone in the wider world will have replaceable
batteries also, because it won't make economic sense for manufacturers
to make two base models of each phone, one with replaceable batteries,
one without.

>>> As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
>>> used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
>>> not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
>>> knowledge to research this meaningfully.
>>
>> Search engines are there to be used.
>
> And discussion groups are there for discussion. There is no obligation
> upon you to participate in any particular thread.

However, if you want to participate in a discussion and not make a fool
of yourself by repeating your own previous mistakes, it pays to do some
prior research, but sadly this is something you have still to learn.

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Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote:
> On 28/02/2024 20:33, Scott wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 19:45:52 +0000, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/02/2024 18:33, Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a tangent. I
>>>> was not referring to the charging port on the phone, but to the socket
>>>> in the wall, which you will find is different in the UK to other EU or
>>>> European countries. Until recently, when a charger was provided in the
>>>> box, a different charger would be needed for the UK (and Irish)
>>>> market. Now that a charger is not included in the box, this particular
>>>> consideration will no longer apply.
>>>
>>> No, this point had already been raised by you as another straw man
>>> earlier in that same thread, as in the following exchange
>>>
>>> On 06/09/2023 17:18, Scott wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 16:08:06 +0100, Java Jive <java@evij.com.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple will have to follow EU rules worldwide, because it won't be
>>>>> economical to make two models of the same phone with different
>>>>> charging connectors, hence what the EU has decided will affect what
>>>>> is sold in this country too. Hence my posting it here.
>>>>
>>>> Well, plenty of manufacturers produce products with different plug
>>>> types (and indeed voltage) for different markets.
>>>
>>> But leads with different plugs at the wall end to match different
>>> countries' electrical supplies usually have the *SAME* connector at the
>>> appliance end!
>>
>> Once again, I think you have misunderstood my point and gone off at a
>> tangent. I was referring to the continued need to provide variants for
>> the EU and UK/ROI markets (as was the practice when chargers were
>> included). Nothing to do with connecting the phone to the charger.
>
> No, your memory is conveniently forgetful, but I have the thread history
> here in the form of all my replies to you, and therefore know that, just
> as in this thread, you were arguing against someone who had bothered to
> do some research from a position of having done zilch, raising
> irrelevant straw men that didn't even apply to the point at issue, which
> was that the EU compelling the use of USB-C connectors within its
> borders would at last make Apple introduce them worldwide, because
> nothing else would make economic sense for them, and this was proved to
> be true the following week when, as had been widely predicted by
> everyone except you and one or two others, the latest model of iPhone
> was finally unveiled and indeed had a USB-C connector.
>
> One might have hoped that your being shown to be wrong so conclusively
> in that thread might subsequently have taught you the advisability of
> researching your replies, but sadly your answer to Woody in this one
> showed that you have learnt nothing, and simply peddled more irrelevant
> straw men exactly as you had before, inevitably the suspicion being
> raised again that this was because some find it impossible to judge
> rationally *anything* involving the EU. Be that as it may, Woody's
> argument remains entirely valid, that the EU compelling replaceable
> batteries within its borders most probably will ensure that in time we
> in the UK and everyone in the wider world will have replaceable
> batteries also, because it won't make economic sense for manufacturers
> to make two base models of each phone, one with replaceable batteries,
> one without.
>
>>>> As to research, I was wondering whether the frequencies and protocols
>>>> used in different countries for 2G, 3G, 4G and 5G are the same and -
>>>> not having any electronics background - I do not have the technical
>>>> knowledge to research this meaningfully.
>>>
>>> Search engines are there to be used.
>>
>> And discussion groups are there for discussion. There is no obligation
>> upon you to participate in any particular thread.
>
> However, if you want to participate in a discussion and not make a fool
> of yourself by repeating your own previous mistakes, it pays to do some
> prior research, but sadly this is something you have still to learn.
>

I think you are being unduly harsh. I think it’s entirely appropriate to
discuss whether or not the upcoming EU regulations will impact the UK. You
may have your view, but others may differ.