Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council housing',
>>>> which they don't have.
>>>
>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>
>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>
>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>
>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread so he
> can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff this
>> morning.
>
> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
> public housing (provided by the local City Council).

Nobody said it doesn't.

In message <kdr22jl499rsfin98tjkh79seo7jf7t9sj@4ax.com>, at 20:05:23 on
Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:26:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>In message <UXOTN.457597$7uxe.299747@fx09.ams1>, at 12:07:16 on Wed, 17
>>Apr 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <uvo2j0$1glcn$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:51:44 on Wed, 17 Apr
>>>> 2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>> Also, I suspect there would be some NIMBY types would would not like an
>>>>>> invasion by hordes of tourist cars or pollution-causing lorries.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remember asking a B&B owner in Skye what difference the bridge had
>>>>> made. "More petty crime" she said.
>>>>
>>>> A common complaint. When I lived in the outer suburbs of Atlanta the
>>>> main (and successful) pressure group against the extension of their
>>>> metro system, was based on the fear of Chavs from the inner city using
>>>> it as a means to facilitate a smash-and-grab on their homes.
>>>
>>>I assume by Chavs you mean blacks?
>>
>>No, it stands for "Council House and Violent", and central Atlanta was
>>riddled with council housing (which they call "The [housing] Projects").
>>
>Chav comes from the Romany word "chavo/chavi" which means a boy or
>youth.
>See also the backslang "yob" with comparable connotations.
><snip>

Lots of words start off life for one reason, then language evolves. cf
"decimate" and "gay".
--
Roland Perry

In message <_s5UN.28677$jC2.16186@fx06.ams1>, at 09:11:22 on Thu, 18 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <o%4UN.42157$MP2.7135@fx05.ams1>, at 08:39:48 on Thu, 18 Apr
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <78l12jt5c3sshisr2vrpv3nru2d1dpnu1o@4ax.com>, at 09:10:41 on
>>>> Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:26:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it stands for "Council House and Violent", and central Atlanta was
>>>>>> riddled with council housing (which they call "The [housing] Projects").
>>>>>>
>>>>> That's cod etymology. No more accurate than Port Out Starboard Home or
>>>>> Orl Korrect.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_false_etymologies_of_Engl
>>>>> ish_words
>>>>
>>>> Whatever the derivation, it's in common parlance. But more to the point
>>>> there's no hint of racism.
>>>
>>> Chav isn't a term known in the US.
>>
>> That's OK, because I'm writing for a UK audience.
>
>We were discussing the local racist definition of MARTA.

Actually we were discussing why outer suburban residents object to
extensions to MARTA. That's MARTA trains; they quite like the MARTA
buses because that's how their minimum wage employees get to work in
the morning, and even the poshest shopping mall needs cleaners.

>Chavs don't come
>into it, as there aren't any in Atlanta.

There are when one is writing for a UK audience.
--
Roland Perry

In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council housing',
>>>>> which they don't have.
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>
>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>
>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>
>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread so he
>> can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff this
>>> morning.
>>
>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>
>Nobody said it doesn't.

Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:

>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>> housing', which they don't have.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council housing',
>>>>>> which they don't have.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>
>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>
>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread so he
>>> can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff this
>>>> morning.
>>>
>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>
>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>
> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:
>
>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>> housing', which they don't have.

I think he meant the Americans don’t have the term council housing, not
that they don’t have social housing.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <_s5UN.28677$jC2.16186@fx06.ams1>, at 09:11:22 on Thu, 18 Apr
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <o%4UN.42157$MP2.7135@fx05.ams1>, at 08:39:48 on Thu, 18 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <78l12jt5c3sshisr2vrpv3nru2d1dpnu1o@4ax.com>, at 09:10:41 on
>>>>> Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:26:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it stands for "Council House and Violent", and central Atlanta was
>>>>>>> riddled with council housing (which they call "The [housing] Projects").
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's cod etymology. No more accurate than Port Out Starboard Home or
>>>>>> Orl Korrect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_false_etymologies_of_Engl
>>>>>> ish_words
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever the derivation, it's in common parlance. But more to the point
>>>>> there's no hint of racism.
>>>>
>>>> Chav isn't a term known in the US.
>>>
>>> That's OK, because I'm writing for a UK audience.
>>
>> We were discussing the local racist definition of MARTA.
>
> Actually we were discussing why outer suburban residents object to
> extensions to MARTA. That's MARTA trains; they quite like the MARTA
> buses because that's how their minimum wage employees get to work in
> the morning, and even the poshest shopping mall needs cleaners.
>
>> Chavs don't come
>> into it, as there aren't any in Atlanta.
>
> There are when one is writing for a UK audience.

'Chavs' here are not synonymous with inner city blacks in Atlanta.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council housing',
>>>>>> which they don't have.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>
>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>
>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread so he
>>> can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff this
>>>> morning.
>>>
>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>
>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>
> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:

Oh dear, you have comprehension problems again.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council housing',
>>>>>>> which they don't have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>>
>>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread so he
>>>> can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff this
>>>>> morning.
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>>
>>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>>
>> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:
>>
>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>
> I think he meant the Americans don’t have the term council housing, not
> that they don’t have social housing.
>

Exactly. That's why I put it in quotes.

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 18:37:12 +0100
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>wrote:
>>At 9 foot 8 wide the A stock AFAIK was the UKs widest train so no surprise it
>>had problems fitting on some lines even on the tube. It did make for an
>>extrenely roomy interior with the 3 across seating being a genuine 3 across
>>not a 2.5 across like in most BR stock.
>>
>A stock was wider but ISTR D stock had potential trouble with the
>amount of protrusion of the corners on curves which would have come
>into effect at some platforms or crossovers. The LURS published a list
>of prohibitions/restrictions a few years ago; AFAIR A stock was banned
>from the south side of the Circle Line due to the central bodyside
>being foul to gauge on tight curves.

I wonder if that means it would actual whack something or whether its more
a too close for comfort , just to be on the safe side situation.

In message <uvt3re$2pjae$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:43:58 on Fri, 19 Apr
2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>>housing', which they don't have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>>
>>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread
>>>>>so he can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff
>>>>>this morning.
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>>
>>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>>
>> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:
>>
>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>
>I think he meant the Americans don’t have the term council housing, not
>that they don’t have social housing.

This is uk.railway, and thus polite to use British-English, not
American-English. I'm sure all y'all would start having a fit if
I began posting American-English.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uvt3re$2pjae$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:43:58 on Fri, 19 Apr
> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread
>>>>>> so he can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff
>>>>>> this morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>>>
>>>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>>>
>>> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:
>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>>
>> I think he meant the Americans don’t have the term council housing, not
>> that they don’t have social housing.
>
> This is uk.railway, and thus polite to use British-English, not
> American-English. I'm sure all y'all would start having a fit if
> I began posting American-English.

You often use US spelling, which doesn't confuse anyone. In any case
Americans would never use the terms chav or 'council housing', and suburban
white Americans wouldn't use a synonym of chav when describing the people
they didn't want visiting from downtown.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uvt3re$2pjae$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:43:58 on Fri, 19 Apr
> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread
>>>>>> so he can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff
>>>>>> this morning.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>>>
>>>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>>>
>>> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:
>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>>
>> I think he meant the Americans don’t have the term council housing, not
>> that they don’t have social housing.
>
> This is uk.railway, and thus polite to use British-English, not
> American-English. I'm sure all y'all would start having a fit if
> I began posting American-English.

Absolutely correct. I always find it very convenient to use the Tube when
I’m in Paris.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

On Fri, 19 Apr 2024 08:59:11 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 18:37:12 +0100
>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:30:47 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>wrote:
>>>At 9 foot 8 wide the A stock AFAIK was the UKs widest train so no surprise it
>>>had problems fitting on some lines even on the tube. It did make for an
>>>extrenely roomy interior with the 3 across seating being a genuine 3 across
>>>not a 2.5 across like in most BR stock.
>>>
>>A stock was wider but ISTR D stock had potential trouble with the
>>amount of protrusion of the corners on curves which would have come
>>into effect at some platforms or crossovers. The LURS published a list
>>of prohibitions/restrictions a few years ago; AFAIR A stock was banned
>>from the south side of the Circle Line due to the central bodyside
>>being foul to gauge on tight curves.
>
>I wonder if that means it would actual whack something or whether its more
>a too close for comfort , just to be on the safe side situation.
>
"Too close for comfort" invites something being whacked eventually due
to the increased chance over time of a vehicle bouncing out of gauge
or e.g. simple wear and tear moving track etc. slightly out of
alignment. There are in practice two versions of "foul to gauge",
either too close to the infrastructure or too close to the kinetic
envelope of other trains. The former can sometimes be dealt with by
travelling at cautious speed and the latter by blocking the adjacent
track, neither desirable during normal traffic hours. ISTR there was
an incident some years where some kind of glorious cock-up managed to
put an A stock train westbound on the south side of the Circle Line
which it managed to negotiate without damage to either Ealing or
Wimbledon/Parsons Green but the "escape" had to be made at dead of
night at very slow speed.

In message <uvuld8$36ngd$1@dont-email.me>, at 20:49:44 on Fri, 19 Apr
2024, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uvt3re$2pjae$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:43:58 on Fri, 19 Apr
>> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>>>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread
>>>>>>> so he can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff
>>>>>>> this morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>>>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>>>
>>> I think he meant the Americans don’t have the term council housing, not
>>> that they don’t have social housing.
>>
>> This is uk.railway, and thus polite to use British-English, not
>> American-English. I'm sure all y'all would start having a fit if
>> I began posting American-English.
>
>Absolutely correct. I always find it very convenient to use the Tube when
>I’m in Paris.

"Tube" is a bit of an exception, because that's peculiarly
London-English [and lots of out of towners are very confused about
whether it includes the subsurface lines, let alone the Lizzy], while
the word "Metro" is in common parlance in numerous countries (and of
course several other UK cities). Nice try, but no cigar!

Other fun can be had with "What's the question if the answer is 'I
prefer the subway' ", the alternatives being pizza or a burger.
--
Roland Perry

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 01:13:19 +0100
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>an incident some years where some kind of glorious cock-up managed to
>put an A stock train westbound on the south side of the Circle Line

Presumably routed onto the through running platform at Aldgate instead of the
dead end centre tracks where the Met line terminates?

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 09:08:17 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 01:13:19 +0100
>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>an incident some years where some kind of glorious cock-up managed to
>>put an A stock train westbound on the south side of the Circle Line
>
>Presumably routed onto the through running platform at Aldgate instead of the
>dead end centre tracks where the Met line terminates?
>
I think this was around 30-40 years ago. On a 2009 TfL Intra Infraco
Track Boundaries map there is a northbound route available from the
southbound through platform back to the anticlockwise Circle Line so
either that wasn't there at the time or was maybe fouled by a
following train?

In message <XLpUN.75862$Rt2.4559@fx10.ams1>, at 08:16:55 on Fri, 19 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <_s5UN.28677$jC2.16186@fx06.ams1>, at 09:11:22 on Thu, 18 Apr
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <o%4UN.42157$MP2.7135@fx05.ams1>, at 08:39:48 on Thu, 18 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <78l12jt5c3sshisr2vrpv3nru2d1dpnu1o@4ax.com>, at 09:10:41 on
>>>>>> Thu, 18 Apr 2024, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 15:26:43 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it stands for "Council House and Violent", and central Atlanta was
>>>>>>>> riddled with council housing (which they call "The [housing]
>>>>>>>>Projects").
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's cod etymology. No more accurate than Port Out Starboard Home or
>>>>>>> Orl Korrect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_common_false_etymologies_of_Engl
>>>>>>> ish_words
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Whatever the derivation, it's in common parlance. But more to the point
>>>>>> there's no hint of racism.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chav isn't a term known in the US.
>>>>
>>>> That's OK, because I'm writing for a UK audience.
>>>
>>> We were discussing the local racist definition of MARTA.
>>
>> Actually we were discussing why outer suburban residents object to
>> extensions to MARTA. That's MARTA trains; they quite like the MARTA
>> buses because that's how their minimum wage employees get to work in
>> the morning, and even the poshest shopping mall needs cleaners.
>>
>>> Chavs don't come
>>> into it, as there aren't any in Atlanta.
>>
>> There are when one is writing for a UK audience.
>
>'Chavs' here are not synonymous with inner city blacks in Atlanta.

They aren't just "blacks" (as you put it).
--
Roland Perry

In message <YLpUN.75863$Rt2.4469@fx10.ams1>, at 08:16:56 on Fri, 19 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>>housing',
>>>>>>> which they don't have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>>
>>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread
>>>>>so he can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff
>>>>>this morning.
>>>>
>>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>>
>>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>>
>> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:
>
>Oh dear, you have comprehension problems again.

I'm certainly having difficulty comprehending why, having recently
stated you didn't want arguments, you seem to doing your best to
prolong one you lost days ago. It's beginning to annoy the natives.
--
Roland Perry

In message <%tAUN.70583$lu2.30074@fx15.ams1>, at 20:28:43 on Fri, 19 Apr
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uvt3re$2pjae$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:43:58 on Fri, 19 Apr
>> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <DefUN.69067$lu2.24640@fx15.ams1>, at 20:18:43 on Thu, 18 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <l8ccthF4c80U1@mid.individual.net>, at 11:02:09 on Thu, 18
>>>>>> Apr 2024, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the contrary, countrywide you have HUD doing the policy and
>>>>>>>> co-ordination, and in most cities "public housing".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.hud.gov/program_offices/public_indian_housing/pha/contacts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Public Housing and Indian Housing, not just Indian that's public.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ohh look , Rolands getting bored and trying to start a sub thread
>>>>>>> so he can have an argument, daytime television must be a bit naff
>>>>>>> this morning.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, I'm simply debunking the preposterous idea that the USA doesn't have
>>>>>> public housing (provided by the local City Council).
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody said it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Whoever it was hacked your account and impersonated you said:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> In any case, Americans wouldn't define a term based on 'council
>>>>>>>> housing', which they don't have.
>>>
>>> I think he meant the Americans don’t have the term council housing, not
>>> that they don’t have social housing.
>>
>> This is uk.railway, and thus polite to use British-English, not
>> American-English. I'm sure all y'all would start having a fit if
>> I began posting American-English.
>
>You often use US spelling,

That's just the spell-checker.

>which doesn't confuse anyone.

It'd be a sad day if the occasional /s/z/ substitution confused people.

>In any case
>Americans would never use the terms chav or 'council housing',

Indeed, because those are British-English. They'd use the
American-English equivalent, which *would* risk confusing people.

>and suburban white Americans wouldn't use a synonym of chav when
>describing the people they didn't want visiting from downtown.

Of course they would, I've lived there and heard them!
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry wrote:

> In message <%tAUN.70583$lu2.30074@fx15.ams1>, at 20:28:43 on Fri, 19 Apr
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>>You often use US spelling,

> That's just the spell-checker.

Which cannot be switched to BE?

Regards, ULF

In message <c20abc08d94c1b3f05fe9e21cd2dc327@www.novabbs.org>, at
06:44:07 on Tue, 23 Apr 2024, ulf_kutzner <Ulf.Kutzner@web.de> remarked:
>Roland Perry wrote:
>
>> In message <%tAUN.70583$lu2.30074@fx15.ams1>, at 20:28:43 on Fri, 19
>>Apr 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>>>You often use US spelling,
>
>> That's just the spell-checker.
>
>Which cannot be switched to BE?

The one I use for Usenet only has an American-English dictionary,
although I can easily add British-English entries if I want to. Also I
can reject individual attempts to correct to American-English.

Occasionally one slips through, and apparently that makes me a very bad
person (or is it the only quibble available to those desperate to find
anything at all to start an argument).
--
Roland Perry

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 02:28:19 +0100
Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 09:08:17 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 01:13:19 +0100
>>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>an incident some years where some kind of glorious cock-up managed to
>>>put an A stock train westbound on the south side of the Circle Line
>>
>>Presumably routed onto the through running platform at Aldgate instead of the
>>dead end centre tracks where the Met line terminates?
>>
>I think this was around 30-40 years ago. On a 2009 TfL Intra Infraco
>Track Boundaries map there is a northbound route available from the
>southbound through platform back to the anticlockwise Circle Line so
>either that wasn't there at the time or was maybe fouled by a
>following train?

Beats me. I do know that the gap at Aldwych with the S stock is dangerously
large because of the low floor design requiring it to be narrower at floor
level. Not sure why they had to go for a low floor train when as per the
deep level tube they could simply have had a raised platform area in
certain locations for wheelchair users instead of making entry into the train
dangerous for the infirm at numerous locations.

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 05:51:43 +0100
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>In message <YLpUN.75863$Rt2.4469@fx10.ams1>, at 08:16:56 on Fri, 19 Apr
>2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>Oh dear, you have comprehension problems again.
>
>I'm certainly having difficulty comprehending why, having recently
>stated you didn't want arguments, you seem to doing your best to
>prolong one you lost days ago. It's beginning to annoy the natives.

It must be Pot -> Kettle time again.

In message <v07ntd$1gevi$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:27:41 on Tue, 23 Apr
2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 05:51:43 +0100
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>In message <YLpUN.75863$Rt2.4469@fx10.ams1>, at 08:16:56 on Fri, 19 Apr
>>2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>Oh dear, you have comprehension problems again.
>>
>>I'm certainly having difficulty comprehending why, having recently
>>stated you didn't want arguments, you seem to doing your best to
>>prolong one you lost days ago. It's beginning to annoy the natives.
>
>It must be Pot -> Kettle time again.

Someone else starting a quibble. I'll ignore it.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <v07ntd$1gevi$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:27:41 on Tue, 23 Apr
> 2024, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 05:51:43 +0100
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <YLpUN.75863$Rt2.4469@fx10.ams1>, at 08:16:56 on Fri, 19 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Oh dear, you have comprehension problems again.
>>>
>>> I'm certainly having difficulty comprehending why, having recently
>>> stated you didn't want arguments, you seem to doing your best to
>>> prolong one you lost days ago. It's beginning to annoy the natives.
>>
>> It must be Pot -> Kettle time again.
>
> Someone else starting a quibble. I'll ignore it.

You failed to do that…..