Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <ulsrvb$654a$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:46:51 on Tue, 19 Dec
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 19/12/2023 19:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <ulsled$509r$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:25 on Tue, 19 Dec
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>>> I'm  sure in  this newsgroup we've heard tales of people
>>>>>>> gatecrashing the  BBC canteen  at Broadcasting House.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, that won't get you a free meal. Pre-security
>>>>>> theatre days it wouldn't have been that difficult to get into the
>>>>>> canteen, after all it's there to serve all and sundry who may have
>>>>>> business there.
>>>
>>>>>  No meals in that canteen?
>>>>
>>>> Please read what is written.
>>> So what did it serve, just tea and biscuits?
>>
>> It didn't serve FREE meals.
>
> I didn't say it would.

What was this supposed to mean then?

“Back in the day the best place to get a free lunch in Central London was
to gatecrash the working class canteen of a random donor. I'm sure in this
newsgroup we've heard tales of people gatecrashing the BBC canteen at
Broadcasting House.”

GH

On 19/12/2023 22:23, ColinR wrote:
> During a summer holiday job when at school I experienced the same three
> tier canteen at Pirelli cable factory in Eastleigh. Now part of the
> Prysmian Group they still have their UK HQ in Eastleigh. No idea about
> canteen arrangement though!

Nothing wrong with different levels of service, most of the people will
not want a 'fancy' meal and not want to pay more to get 'free' wine with
their meal.

Depends on how it is done, we used to have a higher allowance rate for
senior staff but if you were working and staying with a senior manager
then you could claim his allowance rates.

On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:15:12 -0000 (UTC)
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> What a load of crap. God knows where you work (probably more like worked) but
>
>> the days of putting in 40 years at a company to earn a golden clock at the
>end
>> are long gone. These days employees are just "resources" to be booted out the
>
>> minute profits drop so frankly anyone who shows loyalty to an employer these
>> days is a total mug.
>>
>>
>
>You have my sympathy in the IT industry, but in other some other industries
>decent employees are targeted to be retained. I’m in year 36 of gainful
>employment with the same employer in a branch of engineering with an
>employer who values me. My younger son in another branch of engineering, is
>well renumerated, and expects to remain with that employer for quite a
>number of years, if not through to retirement. Salary progression and
>career progression with that employer is designed to retain the staff they
>value. Not every employer is evil.

Lets be honest , in certain niche industries you can probably count the
number of potential employers on one hand so someone has little choice but
to stick it out whether they like the job/company or not unless they go off
and do something completely different. But lets be honest, most of us in the
white collar world don't because we're only good enough at one thing to do it
professionally and earn money from it.

On 20/12/2023 06:53, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <ulsrvb$654a$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:46:51 on Tue, 19 Dec
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 19/12/2023 19:30, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <ulsled$509r$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:25 on Tue, 19 Dec
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>>> I'm  sure in  this newsgroup we've heard tales of people
>>>>>>> gatecrashing the  BBC canteen  at Broadcasting House.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, that won't get you a free meal. Pre-security
>>>>>> theatre  days it wouldn't have been that difficult to get into the
>>>>>> canteen,  after all it's there to serve all and sundry who may
>>>>>> have business  there.
>>>
>>>>>  No meals in that canteen?
>>>>
>>>> Please read what is written.
>>>  So what did it serve, just tea and biscuits?
>>
>> It didn't serve FREE meals.
>
> I didn't say it would.

Note the careful snipping to remove the context where you clearly
implied that it did.
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<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:15:12 -0000 (UTC)
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> What a load of crap. God knows where you work (probably more like worked) but
>>
>>> the days of putting in 40 years at a company to earn a golden clock at the
>> end
>>> are long gone. These days employees are just "resources" to be booted out the
>>
>>> minute profits drop so frankly anyone who shows loyalty to an employer these
>>> days is a total mug.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You have my sympathy in the IT industry, but in other some other industries
>> decent employees are targeted to be retained. I’m in year 36 of gainful
>> employment with the same employer in a branch of engineering with an
>> employer who values me. My younger son in another branch of engineering, is
>> well renumerated, and expects to remain with that employer for quite a
>> number of years, if not through to retirement. Salary progression and
>> career progression with that employer is designed to retain the staff they
>> value. Not every employer is evil.
>
> Lets be honest , in certain niche industries you can probably count the
> number of potential employers on one hand so someone has little choice but
> to stick it out whether they like the job/company or not unless they go off
> and do something completely different. But lets be honest, most of us in the
> white collar world don't because we're only good enough at one thing to do it
> professionally and earn money from it.
>
>

I’ve just done a straw poll amongst my school peer group (we keep in
touch). These are folk who are 60 years old. In general they’ve had around
three different employers during their career. One outlier has had 41!
Quite a number have spent half their career with one single employer.

On Wed, 20 Dec 2023 09:44:18 -0000 (UTC)
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:15:12 -0000 (UTC)
>> Lets be honest , in certain niche industries you can probably count the
>> number of potential employers on one hand so someone has little choice but
>> to stick it out whether they like the job/company or not unless they go off
>> and do something completely different. But lets be honest, most of us in the
>> white collar world don't because we're only good enough at one thing to do
>it
>> professionally and earn money from it.
>>
>>
>
>I’ve just done a straw poll amongst my school peer group (we keep in
>touch). These are folk who are 60 years old. In general they’ve had around
>three different employers during their career. One outlier has had 41!
>Quite a number have spent half their career with one single employer.

Different generation, different attitude maybe. The longest job I ever did was
5 years and I was climbing up the walls to get out by then. I think my brain
would turn to mush working for the same company for decades.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 19/12/2023 10:27, Tweed wrote:
>>>> There’s still no substitute for an element of management by walking about.
>>>> You catch the things that the reporting structures fail to communicate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wasn't there a BBC TV series many years ago where a very senior manager
>>> would spend a day or days on the shop floor. They all learnt a lot!
>>>
>>> Years ago we had a visit from a senior manager who was taken around the
>>> area by our local boss but he was taken ill and the senior manager
>>> dropped him off at his home and came to our base. We spent the
>>> afternoon just chatting in the workshop and I think I was able to bypass
>>> the BS and get a few things over to him!
>>
>> I have a friend who used to work designing test instruments for
>> Hewlett-Packard. One lunchtime he was sitting in his lab in Scotland
>> eating a sandwich and reading the paper when a big American walks in and
>> says, “Hi, I’m Dave Packard, who are you?”
>>
>> Sam
>>
> Hewlett and Packard were great advocates of management by walking about.

Yes indeed. The conversation about that particular event was when I first
heard the term.

Sam

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Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <ut53oi1ugavlolfminco8ouahk8d8ntfn6@4ax.com>, at 13:25:14 on
> Tue, 19 Dec 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>
>> all the staff share common facilities. So there's a shared car
>> park, with no reserved places, shared canteens, and so on
>
> I remember going to a meeting at ICI in Runcorn, and they had three
> canteens. One for the working classes, one for management, and another
> for senior management (silver service and free wine).

Back in the late 1970s I had an industrial placement at ICI Corporate Lab
at Runcorn Heath. ICI had an interest in the field I was doing my PhD in
and partly sponsored me. They kicked off a series of meetings in a
panelled dining room with silver service. It was slightly bizarre.

I’m struggling to remember where people lunched routinely. I’m pretty sure
there must have been a canteen in the Heath complex, which also housed
Mond(?) Division, but I can’t visualise it at the moment. I also remember
sometimes going out to Shopping City at lunchtime.

It’ll probably all come crashing back some day at about 3 am…

Sam

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In message <ulud1i$glsp$1@dont-email.me>, at 09:44:18 on Wed, 20 Dec
2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:15:12 -0000 (UTC)
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:

>>>> What a load of crap. God knows where you work (probably more like
>>>>worked) but the days of putting in 40 years at a company to earn
>>>>a golden clock at the end are long gone. These days employees are
>>>>just "resources" to be booted out the
>>>
>>>> minute profits drop so frankly anyone who shows loyalty to an
>>>>employer these days is a total mug.
>>>
>>> You have my sympathy in the IT industry, but in other some other industries
>>> decent employees are targeted to be retained. I’m in year 36 of gainful
>>> employment with the same employer in a branch of engineering with an
>>> employer who values me. My younger son in another branch of engineering, is
>>> well renumerated, and expects to remain with that employer for quite a
>>> number of years, if not through to retirement. Salary progression and
>>> career progression with that employer is designed to retain the staff they
>>> value. Not every employer is evil.
>>
>> Lets be honest , in certain niche industries you can probably count
>>the number of potential employers on one hand so someone has little
>>choice but to stick it out whether they like the job/company or not
>>unless they go off and do something completely different. But lets be
>>honest, most of us in the white collar world don't because we're only
>>good enough at one thing to do it professionally and earn money from it.
>
>I’ve just done a straw poll amongst my school peer group (we keep in
>touch). These are folk who are 60 years old. In general they’ve had around
>three different employers during their career. One outlier has had 41!
>Quite a number have spent half their career with one single employer.

I started off in retail distribution in Brentwood (back when our main
competitor, Maplin, had only one store) with largely radio amateurs as
customers.

Then the Motorola salesman turned up with a 6800 development kit under
his arm, so I got distracted into playing with that, culminating in
opening the third computer shop in the UK, in Reading in 1978. The first
was in Earls Court, the second in Newbury.

We started off selling in effect productionised versions of that 6800
development kit, but moved on to Z80 multiprocessor systems for small
business. And five years later I sold one of those to my former partners
in Brentwood, who offered me a job to go with it. It was almost exactly
like a 1983 version of Screwfix - inventory control, invoicing etc.

Later that year, the man-from-Amstrad turned up to ask us what we could
do with out 'project rescue' hat on. And within a year I went to work
fulltime for them, taking many of the staff with me (the remainder were
relocated to Broxbourne, which was the HQ of a firm who had just
acquired the business).

After about six years with Amstrad I tired of the long commute from my
new home in Oxfordshire, and opened a consultancy. Main clients were in
publishing or telecommunications, and included two ISPs who I worked
with exclusively for a year each, and a putative online ecommerce site
for six months - where I was mainly looking at the comms required by
their clients because it was pre-ADSL but highish (for the day) speeds
were required.

That takes us to 1999, by which time I'd moved to Cambridge and took a
permanent position working on Public Policy issues with LINX. I'd got
involved in legal matters at the two ISPs, a mixture of licencing and
coping with unlawful content perpetrated by customers.

I then moved to RIPE-NCC and did much the same for them five years, this
time Internationally. Since then I've concentrated more on the UK,
supporting the efforts of various charities and pressure groups to
introduce more legal protection from online harms.

And today's my last day working an average of 5hrs a week being a
part-time local tourist attraction guardian. There's regulatory issues
which mean I need to be an employee rather than a volunteer. So starting
tomorrow I'm officially retired, but will probably open a small online
store selling vintage/retro technology.

Anyone want a Binatone TV game console? (Untested so far, but it'll
probably go to film -props company). I did some work for them on
Satellite receivers soon after leaving Amstrad; that time they didn't
like the quotes I got from designers, so I think dropped the project.

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Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 12:05:27 -0000 (UTC)
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> None of her many jobs appears to involve managing civil engineering
>>>> projects until the latest NR one, and she seems to change employers and
>>>> industry rather than being promoted in any job. One suspects that she
>>>> interviews very well, but then consistently fails to deliver.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> In my experience many three year job hoppers (this excludes those who
>>> change jobs within the same organisation) leave a trail of damage behind
>>> them. Three years is about the time it takes the organisation to realise
>>
>> What a load of crap. God knows where you work (probably more like worked) but
>> the days of putting in 40 years at a company to earn a golden clock at the end
>> are long gone. These days employees are just "resources" to be booted out the
>> minute profits drop so frankly anyone who shows loyalty to an employer these
>> days is a total mug.
>>
>>
>
> You have my sympathy in the IT industry, but in other some other industries
> decent employees are targeted to be retained. I’m in year 36 of gainful
> employment with the same employer in a branch of engineering with an
> employer who values me. My younger son in another branch of engineering, is
> well renumerated, and expects to remain with that employer for quite a
> number of years, if not through to retirement. Salary progression and
> career progression with that employer is designed to retain the staff they
> value. Not every employer is evil.
>
>

Someone I know retired five years ago after 40 years with the same employer
(multiple names due to takeovers, but continuous service and I think in the
same location), latterly working on test equipment for power electronics.
He now (and before retirement) applies those skills, in part, to a couple
of preserved Blackpool trams with early Chopper traction control systems.

That length of continuous service is not uncommon on the railways, of
course; but can appear in unusual situations - for example, a well-known
OLE engineer, employed by a firm of consultants, retains BR staff travel
facilities (including FIP [1]), because he's never voluntarily changed
employers.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 12:05:27 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> None of her many jobs appears to involve managing civil engineering
>>>>> projects until the latest NR one, and she seems to change employers and
>>>>> industry rather than being promoted in any job. One suspects that she
>>>>> interviews very well, but then consistently fails to deliver.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my experience many three year job hoppers (this excludes those who
>>>> change jobs within the same organisation) leave a trail of damage behind
>>>> them. Three years is about the time it takes the organisation to realise
>>>
>>> What a load of crap. God knows where you work (probably more like worked) but
>>> the days of putting in 40 years at a company to earn a golden clock at the end
>>> are long gone. These days employees are just "resources" to be booted out the
>>> minute profits drop so frankly anyone who shows loyalty to an employer these
>>> days is a total mug.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You have my sympathy in the IT industry, but in other some other industries
>> decent employees are targeted to be retained. I’m in year 36 of gainful
>> employment with the same employer in a branch of engineering with an
>> employer who values me. My younger son in another branch of engineering, is
>> well renumerated, and expects to remain with that employer for quite a
>> number of years, if not through to retirement. Salary progression and
>> career progression with that employer is designed to retain the staff they
>> value. Not every employer is evil.
>>
>>
>
> Someone I know retired five years ago after 40 years with the same employer
> (multiple names due to takeovers, but continuous service and I think in the
> same location), latterly working on test equipment for power electronics.
> He now (and before retirement) applies those skills, in part, to a couple
> of preserved Blackpool trams with early Chopper traction control systems.
>
> That length of continuous service is not uncommon on the railways, of
> course; but can appear in unusual situations - for example, a well-known
> OLE engineer, employed by a firm of consultants, retains BR staff travel
> facilities (including FIP [1]), because he's never voluntarily changed
> employers.
>
>
> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>
>

Sorry to hijack this thread, but can other people start new threads via
Eternal September? I’ve tried, the post gets submitted without error, but
seemingly vanishes.

On 22/12/2023 08:19, Tweed wrote:
> Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 12:05:27 -0000 (UTC)
>>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> None of her many jobs appears to involve managing civil engineering
>>>>>> projects until the latest NR one, and she seems to change employers and
>>>>>> industry rather than being promoted in any job. One suspects that she
>>>>>> interviews very well, but then consistently fails to deliver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience many three year job hoppers (this excludes those who
>>>>> change jobs within the same organisation) leave a trail of damage behind
>>>>> them. Three years is about the time it takes the organisation to realise
>>>>
>>>> What a load of crap. God knows where you work (probably more like worked) but
>>>> the days of putting in 40 years at a company to earn a golden clock at the end
>>>> are long gone. These days employees are just "resources" to be booted out the
>>>> minute profits drop so frankly anyone who shows loyalty to an employer these
>>>> days is a total mug.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> You have my sympathy in the IT industry, but in other some other industries
>>> decent employees are targeted to be retained. I’m in year 36 of gainful
>>> employment with the same employer in a branch of engineering with an
>>> employer who values me. My younger son in another branch of engineering, is
>>> well renumerated, and expects to remain with that employer for quite a
>>> number of years, if not through to retirement. Salary progression and
>>> career progression with that employer is designed to retain the staff they
>>> value. Not every employer is evil.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Someone I know retired five years ago after 40 years with the same employer
>> (multiple names due to takeovers, but continuous service and I think in the
>> same location), latterly working on test equipment for power electronics.
>> He now (and before retirement) applies those skills, in part, to a couple
>> of preserved Blackpool trams with early Chopper traction control systems.
>>
>> That length of continuous service is not uncommon on the railways, of
>> course; but can appear in unusual situations - for example, a well-known
>> OLE engineer, employed by a firm of consultants, retains BR staff travel
>> facilities (including FIP [1]), because he's never voluntarily changed
>> employers.
>>
>>
>> Anna Noyd-Dryver
>>
>>
>
> Sorry to hijack this thread, but can other people start new threads via
> Eternal September? I’ve tried, the post gets submitted without error, but
> seemingly vanishes.
>

Done
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Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 12:05:27 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> None of her many jobs appears to involve managing civil engineering
>>>>> projects until the latest NR one, and she seems to change employers and
>>>>> industry rather than being promoted in any job. One suspects that she
>>>>> interviews very well, but then consistently fails to deliver.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In my experience many three year job hoppers (this excludes those who
>>>> change jobs within the same organisation) leave a trail of damage behind
>>>> them. Three years is about the time it takes the organisation to realise
>>>
>>> What a load of crap. God knows where you work (probably more like worked) but
>>> the days of putting in 40 years at a company to earn a golden clock at the end
>>> are long gone. These days employees are just "resources" to be booted out the
>>> minute profits drop so frankly anyone who shows loyalty to an employer these
>>> days is a total mug.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> You have my sympathy in the IT industry, but in other some other industries
>> decent employees are targeted to be retained. I’m in year 36 of gainful
>> employment with the same employer in a branch of engineering with an
>> employer who values me. My younger son in another branch of engineering, is
>> well renumerated, and expects to remain with that employer for quite a
>> number of years, if not through to retirement. Salary progression and
>> career progression with that employer is designed to retain the staff they
>> value. Not every employer is evil.
>>
>>
>
> Someone I know retired five years ago after 40 years with the same employer
> (multiple names due to takeovers, but continuous service and I think in the
> same location), latterly working on test equipment for power electronics.
> He now (and before retirement) applies those skills, in part, to a couple
> of preserved Blackpool trams with early Chopper traction control systems.
>
> That length of continuous service is not uncommon on the railways, of
> course; but can appear in unusual situations - for example, a well-known
> OLE engineer, employed by a firm of consultants, retains BR staff travel
> facilities (including FIP [1]), because he's never voluntarily changed
> employers.

I retired at the end of December 2019 after working for the same employer,
in several different roles, since late 1985. Some of my colleagues had
been there for similar lengths of time, others stayed for shorter,
sometimes very short, periods. There was variety.

Sam

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Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry to hijack this thread, but can other people start new threads via
> Eternal September? I’ve tried, the post gets submitted without error, but
> seemingly vanishes.

FWIW I’ve now seen 4 or maybe 5 different thread-starting postings from you
about mobile coverage on the EL.

Sam

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In message <um3p96$1hics$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:43:50 on Fri, 22 Dec
2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:

>I retired at the end of December 2019 after working for the same employer,
>in several different roles, since late 1985. Some of my colleagues had
>been there for similar lengths of time, others stayed for shorter,
>sometimes very short, periods. There was variety.

Academia, a different world. One of my friends sent me an Xmas card
yesterday with amongst other things the message that he's over 70 and
no plans to retire. He works for the Computer Lab in Cambridge, and
still uses the email address he was given fifty years ago.
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Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <um3p96$1hics$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:43:50 on Fri, 22 Dec
> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>
>> I retired at the end of December 2019 after working for the same employer,
>> in several different roles, since late 1985. Some of my colleagues had
>> been there for similar lengths of time, others stayed for shorter,
>> sometimes very short, periods. There was variety.
>
> Academia, a different world. One of my friends sent me an Xmas card
> yesterday with amongst other things the message that he's over 70 and
> no plans to retire. He works for the Computer Lab in Cambridge, and
> still uses the email address he was given fifty years ago.

There’s at least one person still in the Cambridge Computer Lab who was
there when I had dealings with him in the early 1990s. On the other hand
some companies we dealt with had new sales and support people every year,
others you could end up talking to the same staff after 10 years or more.
Variety there as well.

Sam

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Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry to hijack this thread, but can other people start new threads via
>> Eternal September? I’ve tried, the post gets submitted without error, but
>> seemingly vanishes.
>
> FWIW I’ve now seen 4 or maybe 5 different thread-starting postings from you
> about mobile coverage on the EL.
>
> Sam
>

Thanks. My NewsTap must be having a bad hair day. No idea what is wrong.