Has Radio 2 started to use the RDS flags for Travel News?

I was driving up the A82 alongside Loch Lomond on Monday. A Travl News
report came on, it seemed to be for somewhere near Stoke so I thought it
must just be a bit of ANAPROP.

But then looked across at the radio and I am sure it read something like
"Radio 2 Travel Information".

Also realised I was sure it was the irritating, camp Travel News reader
from Radio 2.

A bit later it briefly indicated "Radio 2 Travel News Information" again
but failed to switch over properly.

On Wed 26/07/2023 09:36, MB wrote:
> Has Radio 2 started to use the RDS flags for Travel News?
>
> I was driving up the A82 alongside Loch Lomond on Monday.  A Travl News
> report came on, it seemed to be for somewhere near Stoke so I thought it
> must just be a bit of ANAPROP.
>
> But then looked across at the radio and I am sure it read something like
> "Radio 2 Travel Information".
>
> Also realised I was sure it was the irritating, camp Travel News reader
> from Radio 2.
>
> A bit later it briefly indicated "Radio 2 Travel News Information" again
> but failed to switch over properly.
>

More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
data).
We drove from Harrogate to Frome a few weeks ago. We got Greatest Hits
Yorkshire travel bulletion just as we got onto the A1(M) at J47 (A59)
then not a sausage until we heard BBC Wilts then BBC Somerset. Coming
back a few days later exactly the same (opposite sequence of course) but
with just one C&W thrown in.

Today we have been up to Bishop Auckland and we got just one bulletin
from BBC York just before we got home. Normally here we can get York,
Leeds, often Sheffield, and Tees - so where have the rest gone??

On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
> On Wed 26/07/2023 09:36, MB wrote:
>> Has Radio 2 started to use the RDS flags for Travel News?
>>
>> I was driving up the A82 alongside Loch Lomond on Monday.  A Travl
>> News report came on, it seemed to be for somewhere near Stoke so I
>> thought it must just be a bit of ANAPROP.
>>
>> But then looked across at the radio and I am sure it read something
>> like "Radio 2 Travel Information".
>>
>> Also realised I was sure it was the irritating, camp Travel News
>> reader from Radio 2.
>>
>> A bit later it briefly indicated "Radio 2 Travel News Information"
>> again but failed to switch over properly.
>>
>
> More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus
> DAB data).
> We drove from Harrogate to Frome a few weeks ago. We got Greatest Hits
> Yorkshire travel bulletion just as we got onto the A1(M) at J47 (A59)
> then not a sausage until we heard BBC Wilts then BBC Somerset. Coming
> back a few days later exactly the same (opposite sequence of course)
> but with just one C&W thrown in.
>
> Today we have been up to Bishop Auckland and we got just one bulletin
> from BBC York just before we got home. Normally here we can get York,
> Leeds, often Sheffield, and Tees - so where have the rest gone??
>
>
BBC Local Radio has been emasculated of localness, and is being turned
into a quasi national service.
Hence all the recent strikes at the stations, and BBC regional TV

Mark Carver wrote:

> strikes at the stations, and BBC regional TV

Had genuinely not noticed ...

<https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource/keepbbclocalradiolocal.html>

On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
> More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
> data).

I hear them occasionally but not often.

Not sure about DAB data, a text message is not much use when driving.

In article <u9s0lv$1janb$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
> > More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
> > data).

> I hear them occasionally but not often.

> Not sure about DAB data, a text message is not much use when driving.

My Skoda reads text messages to me.

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charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <u9s0lv$1janb$1@dont-email.me>,
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
>>> More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
>>> data).
>
>
>> I hear them occasionally but not often.
>
>> Not sure about DAB data, a text message is not much use when driving.
>
>
> My Skoda reads text messages to me.
>

DAB carries traffic information for Sat nav devices. My Ford’s integrated
sat nav uses it. If anything, it has become too informative in the last
year or so, popping up messages about some rather trivial roadworks in
addition to the normal traffic jams.

On Wed 26/07/2023 21:45, MB wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
>> More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
>> data).
>
>
> I hear them occasionally but not often.
>
> Not sure about DAB data, a text message is not much use when driving.
>
>
>

Traffic News is broadcast on FM, so if it is relevant in terms of area
there is a data message within the DAB stream that instructs the radio
to change to the FM broadcast of a specific local radio station.

On 26/07/2023 17:34, Andy Burns wrote:
> Mark Carver wrote:
>
>> strikes at the stations, and BBC regional TV
>
> Had genuinely not noticed ...
>
> <https://www.nuj.org.uk/resource/keepbbclocalradiolocal.html>

 Few have to be honest, the public are not as obsessed by the BBC as
the BBC would like to think

Economised out of the picture I'd imagine.
Everyone assumes you get it from other sources these days as most cars have
the internet.
Brian

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"Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed 26/07/2023 09:36, MB wrote:
>> Has Radio 2 started to use the RDS flags for Travel News?
>>
>> I was driving up the A82 alongside Loch Lomond on Monday. A Travl News
>> report came on, it seemed to be for somewhere near Stoke so I thought it
>> must just be a bit of ANAPROP.
>>
>> But then looked across at the radio and I am sure it read something like
>> "Radio 2 Travel Information".
>>
>> Also realised I was sure it was the irritating, camp Travel News reader
>> from Radio 2.
>>
>> A bit later it briefly indicated "Radio 2 Travel News Information" again
>> but failed to switch over properly.
>>
>
> More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
> data).
> We drove from Harrogate to Frome a few weeks ago. We got Greatest Hits
> Yorkshire travel bulletion just as we got onto the A1(M) at J47 (A59) then
> not a sausage until we heard BBC Wilts then BBC Somerset. Coming back a
> few days later exactly the same (opposite sequence of course) but with
> just one C&W thrown in.
>
> Today we have been up to Bishop Auckland and we got just one bulletin from
> BBC York just before we got home. Normally here we can get York, Leeds,
> often Sheffield, and Tees - so where have the rest gone??
>
>
>

Yes the excellent night shows that run from 10pm to 1 AM are going sometime
in August and already many of the presenters are on commercial stations or
retired or doing the cruises rounds.

Brian

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"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
>> On Wed 26/07/2023 09:36, MB wrote:
>>> Has Radio 2 started to use the RDS flags for Travel News?
>>>
>>> I was driving up the A82 alongside Loch Lomond on Monday. A Travl News
>>> report came on, it seemed to be for somewhere near Stoke so I thought it
>>> must just be a bit of ANAPROP.
>>>
>>> But then looked across at the radio and I am sure it read something like
>>> "Radio 2 Travel Information".
>>>
>>> Also realised I was sure it was the irritating, camp Travel News reader
>>> from Radio 2.
>>>
>>> A bit later it briefly indicated "Radio 2 Travel News Information" again
>>> but failed to switch over properly.
>>>
>>
>> More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
>> data).
>> We drove from Harrogate to Frome a few weeks ago. We got Greatest Hits
>> Yorkshire travel bulletion just as we got onto the A1(M) at J47 (A59)
>> then not a sausage until we heard BBC Wilts then BBC Somerset. Coming
>> back a few days later exactly the same (opposite sequence of course) but
>> with just one C&W thrown in.
>>
>> Today we have been up to Bishop Auckland and we got just one bulletin
>> from BBC York just before we got home. Normally here we can get York,
>> Leeds, often Sheffield, and Tees - so where have the rest gone??
>>
>>
> BBC Local Radio has been emasculated of localness, and is being turned
> into a quasi national service.
> Hence all the recent strikes at the stations, and BBC regional TV
>

In message <u9tk5v$1s7ln$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 12:24:44,
Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
>Economised out of the picture I'd imagine.
> Everyone assumes you get it from other sources these days as most cars have
>the internet.
> Brian
>
For some value of "most". Like "most" people have a smartphone and an
always-on infinite data contract.

I think all _new_ cars have at least a (G2 is it?) tracker, but the
proportion of cars on the road older than when that became true I would
imagine is more than 50% (I don't know what year it became true).
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On 27/07/2023 12:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Everyone assumes you get it from other sources these days as most cars have
> the internet.

I doubt very much whether most cars have the Internet.

MB wrote:

> I doubt very much whether most cars have the Internet.

You might be surprised, since 2018 cars are required to detect
collisions and make an automatic call to an emergency assistance centre
(e-Call), my 2017 car has it.

To do that, cars have a 4G "phone" built in (hopefully none have 3G
only), once you have that you can have 4G data capability essentially
for free, and cars tend to have a MiFi equivalent included as a feature
(you see, the vauxhall mokka adverts weren't just about making boys with
cars popular with girls hanging around in car-parks).

On 27/07/2023 19:42, MB wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 12:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Everyone assumes you get it from other sources these days as most cars
>> have
>> the internet.
>
>
>
> I doubt very much whether most cars have the Internet.

Very many drivers now have access to the internet. I use the traffic
information overlay on Google Maps on my phone to avoid severe holdups,
and I have noticed that a lot of drivers seem to be doing the same as
the rat runs it comes up with are now approaching the same journey times
as the delayed routes.

The info is live, and updated every minute or so from location data
automatically supplied by users. You can actually watch the jams as they
progress along the motorways. As a joke, I have been known to tell
foreign guides and tourists what the live traffic is like in their home
town.

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John Williamson wrote:

> I use the traffic information overlay on Google Maps on my phone to
> avoid severe holdups, and I have noticed that a lot of drivers seem to
> be doing the same as the rat runs it comes up with are now approaching
> the same journey times as the delayed routes.
>
> The info is live, and updated every minute or so from location data
> automatically supplied by users.

Or you can use a bunch of phones to fake a snarl-up ...

<https://www.boredpanda.com/fake-traffic-jam-99-smartphones-google-maps-simon-weckert>

On 27/07/2023 20:27, Andy Burns wrote:
> John Williamson wrote:
>
>> I use the traffic information overlay on Google Maps on my phone to
>> avoid severe holdups, and I have noticed that a lot of drivers seem to
>> be doing the same as the rat runs it comes up with are now approaching
>> the same journey times as the delayed routes.
>>
>> The info is live, and updated every minute or so from location data
>> automatically supplied by users.
>
> Or you can use a bunch of phones to fake a snarl-up ...
>
> <https://www.boredpanda.com/fake-traffic-jam-99-smartphones-google-maps-simon-weckert>
>
I saw that when the story first came out.

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John.

On 27/07/2023 20:05, Andy Burns wrote:
> You might be surprised, since 2018 cars are required to detect
> collisions and make an automatic call to an emergency assistance centre
> (e-Call), my 2017 car has it.

My car has that (I pushed the button once when trying to find the light
switch). But it is not the same as 'having the Internet'.

VW cars have Car-Net which gives limited access to a few things but
never been able to find what network it uses, occasionally there is a
message to indicate that it is connected to something but most of the
time not connected. It also connects to my WiFi when parked outside so
I can send locations to the Sat Nav - it is a poor system though, it
appears to store the location in the car and on their server but when
you delete one, the other is left which can mean the memory is full even
if only a handful of locations stored. Deleting locations is a real PITA!

On 27/07/2023 20:07, John Williamson wrote:
> Very many drivers now have access to the internet. I use the traffic
> information overlay on Google Maps on my phone to avoid severe holdups,
> and I have noticed that a lot of drivers seem to be doing the same as
> the rat runs it comes up with are now approaching the same journey times
> as the delayed routes.

Most seem to do it my linking to their mobile phone so the vehicle
itself does not have a connection to the Internet.

On Fri 28/07/2023 07:39, MB wrote:
> On 27/07/2023 20:05, Andy Burns wrote:
>> You might be surprised, since 2018 cars are required to detect
>> collisions and make an automatic call to an emergency assistance
>> centre (e-Call), my 2017 car has it.
>
>
> My car has that (I pushed the button once when trying to find the light
> switch).  But it is not the same as 'having the Internet'.
>
> VW cars have Car-Net which gives limited access to a few things but
> never been able to find what network it uses, occasionally there is a
> message to indicate that it is connected to something but most of the
> time not connected.  It also connects to my WiFi when parked outside so
> I can send locations to the Sat Nav - it is a poor system though, it
> appears to store the location in the car and on their server but when
> you delete one, the other is left which can mean the memory is full even
> if only a handful of locations stored.  Deleting locations is a real PITA!
>
>
>

Can't speak for VW but Skoda Car-Net is run by Cubic Telecom on the VF
network.

MB wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> since 2018 cars are required to detect collisions and make an
>> automatic call to an emergency assistance centre (e-Call)
>
> My car has that (I pushed the button once when trying to find the light
> switch).  But it is not the same as 'having the Internet'.

All the technology is there, some manufacturers may sell it as an
option, but every brand I searched for has its own name for it.

> VW cars have Car-Net which gives limited access to a few things but
> never been able to find what network it uses

My car uses an eSIM, at one time the T&C screen did show which provider
it used (some pan-european provider a bit like manx or jersey) but then
it changed, now it doesn't say.

> occasionally there is a
> message to indicate that it is connected to something but most of the
> time not connected.  It also connects to my WiFi when parked outside so
> I can send locations to the Sat Nav - it is a poor system though, it
> appears to store the location in the car and on their server but when
> you delete one, the other is left which can mean the memory is full even
> if only a handful of locations stored.  Deleting locations is a real PITA!

The "free" internet access ended after 3 years on mine, but it still
gets google maps and traffic updates, but all other features such as
being able to remotely check how much petrol I have, or unlock the doors
would cost a stupid fee per month.

It's just easier and cheaper to use mobile data hotspot on the phone,
than on the car.

MB wrote:

> Most seem to do it my linking to their mobile phone so the vehicle
> itself does not have a connection to the Internet.

I think I have the option to do the reverse (let the car use the phone's
SIM) but there was a downside to that, something like Android Auto could
no longer use data, can't remember now, so yes I mostly use the phone's
data not the car's. I use google maps on the car's screen most of the
time, but do have the option of using the car's own satnav, but it's
clunkier.

In message <kihbp2Fm80kU3@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 28 Jul 2023
09:15:30, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>MB wrote:
>
>> Most seem to do it my linking to their mobile phone so the vehicle
>>itself does not have a connection to the Internet.
>
>I think I have the option to do the reverse (let the car use the
>phone's SIM) but there was a downside to that, something like Android
>Auto could no longer use data, can't remember now, so yes I mostly use
>the phone's data not the car's. I use google maps on the car's screen
>most of the time, but do have the option of using the car's own satnav,
>but it's clunkier.
>
Does the "car's own satnav" get updates, traffic info., etc., or is it
just preloaded maps like you get with any cheap satnav unit?
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On 28/07/2023 10:15, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> Does the "car's own satnav" get updates, traffic info., etc., or is it
> just preloaded maps like you get with any cheap satnav unit?

My VW does not get map updates online, I believe that was added on a
later version.

You can download the maps free from their website and then transfer to
the car Sat Nav but I never managed to get it to work. You also can
only transfer to a genuine VW memory card so if you screw things up then
you could lose your maps.

In article <sKtN656$c4wkFwuL@255soft.uk>,
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> In message <kihbp2Fm80kU3@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 28 Jul 2023
> 09:15:30, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
> >MB wrote:
> >
> >> Most seem to do it my linking to their mobile phone so the vehicle
> >>itself does not have a connection to the Internet.
> >
> >I think I have the option to do the reverse (let the car use the
> >phone's SIM) but there was a downside to that, something like Android
> >Auto could no longer use data, can't remember now, so yes I mostly use
> >the phone's data not the car's. I use google maps on the car's screen
> >most of the time, but do have the option of using the car's own satnav,
> >but it's clunkier.
> >
> Does the "car's own satnav" get updates, traffic info., etc., or is it
> just preloaded maps like you get with any cheap satnav unit?

On my Skoda I get live traffic info on the built-in SatNav

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