On 28/07/2023 11:00, charles wrote:
> In article <sKtN656$c4wkFwuL@255soft.uk>,
> J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> In message <kihbp2Fm80kU3@mid.individual.net> at Fri, 28 Jul 2023
>> 09:15:30, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>>> MB wrote:
>>>
>>>> Most seem to do it my linking to their mobile phone so the vehicle
>>>> itself does not have a connection to the Internet.
>>> I think I have the option to do the reverse (let the car use the
>>> phone's SIM) but there was a downside to that, something like Android
>>> Auto could no longer use data, can't remember now, so yes I mostly use
>>> the phone's data not the car's. I use google maps on the car's screen
>>> most of the time, but do have the option of using the car's own satnav,
>>> but it's clunkier.
>>>
>> Does the "car's own satnav" get updates, traffic info., etc., or is it
>> just preloaded maps like you get with any cheap satnav unit?
> On my Skoda I get live traffic info on the built-in SatNav
>
It might be obtaining the data from the TMC streams that are carried on
Classic FM transmitters, and also the D1 national mux, I've never quite
worked out in my car whether it's coming from that, or the embedded 4G
device, or from my phone being tethered (or a mixture of all) !

Modern car radios have multiple SDR based receivers, so you don't need
to be listening to the broadcasts or muxes the the TMC data is carried on

On Fri 28/07/2023 10:34, MB wrote:
> On 28/07/2023 10:15, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>> Does the "car's own satnav" get updates, traffic info., etc., or is it
>> just preloaded maps like you get with any cheap satnav unit?
>
>
>
>
> My VW does not get map updates online, I believe that was added on a
> later version.
>
> You can download the maps free from their website and then transfer to
> the car Sat Nav but I never managed to get it to work.  You also can
> only transfer to a genuine VW memory card so if you screw things up then
> you could lose your maps.
>
>

It took me a while to fix it, but I got round it (using a Discover Media.)
You just download the file but it comes with instructions - which if you
follow them exactly it will work. Alternatively you can get an updated
SD card on eBay for a tenner of so. The code on the card label will
change - the first three characters (one number, two letters) - but the
following six numbers (919866?) should be the same.

J. P. Gilliver wrote:

> Does the "car's own satnav" get updates

It previously got the annual map updates over 4G, but it's no longer
entitled to those.

> traffic info

It can display google's red/amber traffic status overlay, I don't
remember if it ever did offer re-routing around problems.

> etc., or is it just preloaded maps like you get with any cheap satnav
> unit?
It's a couple of years out of date now, some of its speed-limits are now
wrong, but I don't drive anywhere than new roads are missing yet.

In message <kiju8vF4rfaU4@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 29 Jul 2023
08:43:28, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
>J. P. Gilliver wrote:
>
>> Does the "car's own satnav" get updates
>
>It previously got the annual map updates over 4G, but it's no longer
>entitled to those.

Ah, so it has the hardware; that's what I was trying to establish.
>
>> traffic info
>
>It can display google's red/amber traffic status overlay, I don't
>remember if it ever did offer re-routing around problems.

So the link is still operational (unless it's getting that information
from DAB or RDS which I think unlikely).
>
>> etc., or is it just preloaded maps like you get with any cheap satnav
>> unit?
>It's a couple of years out of date now, some of its speed-limits are
>now wrong, but I don't drive anywhere than new roads are missing yet.
>
Have you been told they could be if you pay a limb?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

No. I demur. Let it [the Royal Variety Performance] glitter ridiculously on, to
affirm that other people's pleasures, even ghastly ones, are part of the great
mouldy patchwork clown-trouser of the nation. - Libby Purves, rt 2022/12/17-23

Vào lúc 02:27:12 UTC+7 ngày Thứ Sáu, 28 tháng 7, 2023, Andy Burns đã viết:
> John Williamson wrote:
>
> > I use the traffic information overlay on Google Maps on my phone to
> > avoid severe holdups, and I have noticed that a lot of drivers seem to
> > be doing the same as the rat runs it comes up with are now approaching
> > the same journey times as the delayed routes.
> >
> > The info is live, and updated every minute or so from location data
> > automatically supplied by users.
> Or you can use a bunch of phones to fake a snarl-up ...
>
> <https://www.boredpanda.com/fake-traffic-jam-99-smartphones-google-maps-simon-weckert>
<https://aubtu.biz/22-weird-yet-funny-things-found-on-google-maps-thatll-make-you-burst-into-laughter>

Vào lúc 19:12:50 UTC+7 ngày Thứ Bảy, 29 tháng 7, 2023, J. P. Gilliver đã viết:
> In message <kiju8v...@mid.individual.net> at Sat, 29 Jul 2023
> 08:43:28, Andy Burns <use...@andyburns.uk> writes
> >J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> >
> >> Does the "car's own satnav" get updates
> >
> >It previously got the annual map updates over 4G, but it's no longer
> >entitled to those.
> Ah, so it has the hardware; that's what I was trying to establish.
> >
> >> traffic info
> >
> >It can display google's red/amber traffic status overlay, I don't
> >remember if it ever did offer re-routing around problems.
> So the link is still operational (unless it's getting that information
> from DAB or RDS which I think unlikely).
> >
> >> etc., or is it just preloaded maps like you get with any cheap satnav
> >> unit?
> >It's a couple of years out of date now, some of its speed-limits are
> >now wrong, but I don't drive anywhere than new roads are missing yet.
> >
> Have you been told they could be if you pay a limb?
> --
> J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
> No. I demur. Let it [the Royal Variety Performance] glitter ridiculously on, to
> affirm that other people's pleasures, even ghastly ones, are part of the great
> mouldy patchwork clown-trouser of the nation. - Libby Purves, rt 2022/12/17-23

Vào lúc 03:45:53 UTC+7 ngày Thứ Năm, 27 tháng 7, 2023, MB đã viết:
> On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
> > More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
> > data).
> I hear them occasionally but not often.
>
> Not sure about DAB data, a text message is not much use when driving.
And me too....I also heard this news
<https://aubtu.biz/22-weird-yet-funny-things-found-on-google-maps-thatll-make-you-burst-into-laughter>

On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
> More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus DAB
> data).
> We drove from Harrogate to Frome a few weeks ago. We got Greatest Hits
> Yorkshire travel bulletion just as we got onto the A1(M) at J47 (A59)
> then not a sausage until we heard BBC Wilts then BBC Somerset. Coming
> back a few days later exactly the same (opposite sequence of course) but
> with just one C&W thrown in.

Certainly seem to be less being heard from Radio Scotland, this was a
week ago from a friend.

"The A82, A83 & A85 are all closed due to flooding / landslips but Radio
Scot only mentioned a few restricted roads in Ayrshire and around Glasgow.
R. Scot is supposed to be the source of information in adverse weather
but there will be no more travel bulletins for the rest of the afternoon
(even if they are a waste of time)."

"Everything in Argyll south of Loch Creran and west of Loch Fyne
including Jura & Islay has been cut off for over 24 hours now but hardly
a word in the news.
A national emergency would have been declared if it happened south of
Watford!"

I certainly did not hear any travel news that weekend even though I had
to stay in a hotel overnight because of a blocked road.

On Tue 17/10/2023 09:57, JMB99 wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 16:57, Woody wrote:
>> More to the point, what has happened to travel via RDS and EON (plus
>> DAB data).
>> We drove from Harrogate to Frome a few weeks ago. We got Greatest Hits
>> Yorkshire travel bulletion just as we got onto the A1(M) at J47 (A59)
>> then not a sausage until we heard BBC Wilts then BBC Somerset. Coming
>> back a few days later exactly the same (opposite sequence of course)
>> but with just one C&W thrown in.
>
>
> Certainly seem to be less being heard from Radio Scotland, this was a
> week ago from a friend.
>
>
> "The A82, A83 & A85 are all closed due to flooding / landslips but Radio
> Scot only mentioned a few restricted roads in Ayrshire and around Glasgow.
> R. Scot is supposed to be the source of information in adverse weather
> but there will be no more travel bulletins for the rest of the afternoon
> (even if they are a waste of time)."
>
> "Everything in Argyll south of Loch Creran and west of Loch Fyne
> including Jura & Islay has been cut off for over 24 hours now but hardly
> a word in the news.
> A national emergency would have been declared if it happened south of
> Watford!"
>
>
> I certainly did not hear any travel news that weekend even though I had
> to stay in a hotel overnight because of a blocked road.
>
>
>

Curious:
I sent a mail to BBC Complaints and their attitude was that it had to be
a receiver fault despite the fact that (1) I told them I am a retired
broadcast transmitter engineer so I know what I am talking about, and
(2) that it was the same in our last car (Passat Estate) as it is now in
our Skoda Karoq (new 9/22.)

Curiously traffic news on both BBC R York and BBC R Leeds (our locals)
seem to have suddenly reappeared.

Hmmm.......

On 17/10/2023 12:44, Woody wrote:
> I sent a mail to BBC Complaints and their attitude was that it had to be
> a receiver fault despite the fact that (1) I told them I am a retired
> broadcast transmitter engineer so I know what I am talking about, and
> (2) that it was the same in our last car (Passat Estate) as it is now in
> our Skoda Karoq (new 9/22.)
>
> Curiously traffic news on both BBC R York and BBC R Leeds (our locals)
> seem to have suddenly reappeared.

Before I retired, RDS switched travel news stopped working several times
and even then it was difficult to get it fixed!