I see 1548 kHz (194 metres) in London is to be switched off:
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.

Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?

Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
would be a far cheaper option.

I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
I notice nearly all French transmitters have gone now as at night it is
mostly Spanish stuff you hear.
It does seem a waste though.
Brian

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"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:n4aeeipiqrv0er3vtfpr62nv79q2t2qlbv@4ax.com...
>I see 1548 kHz (194 metres) in London is to be switched off:
> https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
> I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
> end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
> urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
> need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.
>
> Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?
>
> Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
> could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
> Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
> would be a far cheaper option.

On 24/08/2023 11:02, Scott wrote:
> I see 1548 kHz (194 metres) in London is to be switched off:
> https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
> I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
> end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
> urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
> need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.
>
> Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?
>
> Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
> could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
> Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
> would be a far cheaper option.
Saffron Green is a very expensive site to run and maintain. Global Radio
will have performed a cost benefit analysis, and decided it's better to
close the service. I wouldn't be surprised if LBC News on 1152 kHz goes
soon too. It won't have anything to do with ULEZ.

Because the propagation at the top end of the MF band is far worse than
the bottom end, a large amount of power would still be required if sited
at Crystal P (or wherever). Also Saffron Green is a highly directional
site, using four masts (imagine it being a 4 element vertical pol yagi
!) to protect the use of 1548 (and 1152) elsewhere in the UK, though
many of those services have already ceased. 1548 only remains in use at
Sheffield and Edinburgh. 1152 only remains in use in Newcastle and Glasgow.

On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it
> was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone
> to interference.

So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.

How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!

On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
>> prone to interference.
>
>
> So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
> receivers in use or even available.
>
> How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
> one!
DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
countries. Even France is making a move.

https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
>>> prone to interference.
>>
>>
>> So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
>> receivers in use or even available.
>>
>> How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
>> one!
> DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
> countries. Even France is making a move.
>
> https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
>

But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
technology.

On 24/08/2023 13:21, Tweed wrote:
> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
>>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
>>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
>>>> prone to interference.
>>>
>>>
>>> So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
>>> receivers in use or even available.
>>>
>>> How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
>>> one!
>> DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
>> countries. Even France is making a move.
>>
>> https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
>>
>
> But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
> the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
> allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
> where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
> business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
> technology.
>
DRM is an alternative to DAB, and as a country, we chose DAB a long time
ago. Unfortunately, the decoding software requirements in the receiver
are not the same.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
> interference.
>
We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.

It's called DAB

What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?

Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>> interference.
>>
> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>
> It's called DAB
>
> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>

You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
>>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
>>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
>>>> prone to interference.
>>>
>>>
>>> So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
>>> receivers in use or even available.
>>>
>>> How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
>>> one!
>> DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
>> countries. Even France is making a move.
>>
>> https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
>>
>But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
>the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
>allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
>where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
>business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
>technology.

I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
perspective that is).

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>> interference.
>>
>We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>
>It's called DAB

Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>> interference.
>>>
>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>
>> It's called DAB
>>
>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>
>
>You need something for the cricket :)
>Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>broadcast on low frequencies.

Could 198 kHz support DRM?

On 24/08/2023 17:50, Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>> interference.
>>>
>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>
>> It's called DAB
> Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
> is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London
Yes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
doing the same on Jan 1)

On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>> interference.
>>>>
>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>
>>> It's called DAB
>>>
>>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>>
>> You need something for the cricket :)
>> Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>> broadcast on low frequencies.
> Could 198 kHz support DRM?
Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:40 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 24/08/2023 17:50, Scott wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark Carver
>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>> interference.
>>>>
>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>
>>> It's called DAB
>> Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
>> is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London
>Yes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
>doing the same on Jan 1)

Do we know the bitrate yet?

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>>> interference.
>>>>>
>>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>>
>>>> It's called DAB
>>>>
>>>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>>>
>>> You need something for the cricket :)
>>> Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
>> Could 198 kHz support DRM?
>Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?

To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)

I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver
> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>>>> interference.
>>>>>>
>>>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's called DAB
>>>>>
>>>>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>>>>
>>>> You need something for the cricket :)
>>>> Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
>>> Could 198 kHz support DRM?
>> Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
>
> To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
> commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
>
> I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
> the signal is used for teleswitching.
>

The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver
>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>>>>> interference.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's called DAB
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>>>>>
>>>>> You need something for the cricket :)
>>>>> Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>>>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
>>>> Could 198 kHz support DRM?
>>> Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
>>
>> To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
>> commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
>>
>> I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
>>
>The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024

But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver
>>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>>>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>>>>>> interference.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's called DAB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You need something for the cricket :)
>>>>>> Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>>>>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
>>>>> Could 198 kHz support DRM?
>>>> Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
>>>
>>> To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
>>> commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
>>>
>>> I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
>>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
>>>
>> The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
>
> But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
> extension of the LW service?
>

I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver
>>>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>>>>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>>>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>>>>>>> interference.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's called DAB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You need something for the cricket :)
>>>>>>> Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>>>>>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
>>>>>> Could 198 kHz support DRM?
>>>>> Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
>>>>
>>>> To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
>>>> commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
>>>>
>>>> I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
>>>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
>>>>
>>> The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
>>
>> But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
>> extension of the LW service?
>>
>I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.

What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?

In article <su1fei1l2bs85rmnk51tapm0tk5tjclknd@4ax.com>, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
>On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
><usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
>>>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
>>>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
>>>>> prone to interference.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
>>>> receivers in use or even available.
>>>>
>>>> How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
>>>> one!
>>> DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
>>> countries. Even France is making a move.
>>>
>>> https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
>>>
>>But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
>>the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
>>allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
>>where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
>>business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
>>technology.
>

>I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
>Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
>perspective that is).

Thats cos they are prone to Tunnels and cuttings;!...
--
Tony Sayer

Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver
>>>>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>>>>>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>>>>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>>>>>>>> interference.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's called DAB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You need something for the cricket :)
>>>>>>>> Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>>>>>>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
>>>>>>> Could 198 kHz support DRM?
>>>>>> Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
>>>>>
>>>>> To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
>>>>> commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
>>>>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
>>>>>
>>>> The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
>>>
>>> But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
>>> extension of the LW service?
>>>
>> I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.
>
> What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?
>

Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
battery.

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:30:40 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:

>In article <su1fei1l2bs85rmnk51tapm0tk5tjclknd@4ax.com>, Scott
><newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>><usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>> On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
>>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
>>>>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
>>>>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
>>>>>> prone to interference.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
>>>>> receivers in use or even available.
>>>>>
>>>>> How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
>>>>> one!
>>>> DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
>>>> countries. Even France is making a move.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
>>>>
>>>But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
>>>the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
>>>allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
>>>where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
>>>business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
>>>technology.
>>
>>I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
>>Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
>>perspective that is).
>
>Thats cos they are prone to Tunnels and cuttings;!...

I was responding to the idea that 'Delivery via the Internet is
the future'. Surely the same issues will apply in cars? How can we
rely on the Internet?

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver
>>>>>> <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>>>>>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets
>>>>>>>>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
>>>>>>>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
>>>>>>>>>>> interference.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
>>>>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's called DAB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What would be the advantage of launching DRM  ?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You need something for the cricket :)
>>>>>>>>> Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
>>>>>>>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
>>>>>>>> Could 198 kHz support DRM?
>>>>>>> Yes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
>>>>>> commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
>>>>>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
>>>>
>>>> But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
>>>> extension of the LW service?
>>>>
>>> I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.
>>
>> What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?
>>
>Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
>battery.

And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.

Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:30:40 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In article <su1fei1l2bs85rmnk51tapm0tk5tjclknd@4ax.com>, Scott
>> <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
>>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>>>>> I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
>>>>>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
>>>>>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
>>>>>>> prone to interference.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
>>>>>> receivers in use or even available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
>>>>>> one!
>>>>> DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
>>>>> countries. Even France is making a move.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
>>>>>
>>>> But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
>>>> the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data
>>>> allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
>>>> where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a
>>>> business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
>>>> technology.
>>>
>>> I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
>>> Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
>>> perspective that is).
>>
>> Thats cos they are prone to Tunnels and cuttings;!...
>
> I was responding to the idea that 'Delivery via the Internet is
> the future'. Surely the same issues will apply in cars? How can we
> rely on the Internet?
>

I’ve driven from the Midlands to the Scottish Borders and listened to
Internet radio provided by the cellular network the whole way. In contrast
Times Radio via DAB gives up north of Newcastle due to an inadequate
commercial transmitter rollout.