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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 04:13 UTC

On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>> headphonesi
>>
>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>> incorrect post.
>
> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?
>
> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled wireless
> setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of comprehension.

Here is his entire first post on the subject:

'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy an
Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high
fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
from an Apple fan. '

Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.

That would be great!

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:16 UTC

On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>
>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>> headphonesi
>>>
>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
>>> factually incorrect post.
>>
>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
>> knew?
>>
>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>> wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>> comprehension.
>
> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>
> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
> 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
> high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>
> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>
> That would be great!

He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
are mental weaklings.

--
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JR

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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:33 UTC

On 11/22/2023 3:31 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 14:52, John wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 2:34 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-22 14:27, John wrote:
>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:54 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-22 13:02, John wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing
>>>>>>>>>> will...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack
>>>>>>>>>> is more
>>>>>>>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone
>>>>>>>>>> is less
>>>>>>>>>> functional by definition)...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
>>>>>>>>>> important safety
>>>>>>>>>> feature in a phone during an emergency...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
>>>>>>>>>> disagree that
>>>>>>>>>> it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from
>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet
>>>>>>>>>> this standard.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
>>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
>>>>>>>>>> portable-memory slot.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
>>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
>>>>>>>>>>   AUX
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>   FM
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>   SD
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In summary, the choices for Android are:
>>>>>>>>>> a. 75% AUX
>>>>>>>>>> b. 50% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>> c. 71% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
>>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
>>>>>>>>>> b. 0% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>> c. 0% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
>>>>>>>>>> another reason
>>>>>>>>>> why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
>>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
>>>>>>>>> Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves
>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless
>>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec
>>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
>>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
>>>>>>>> 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.  Apple
>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which
>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
>>>>>>> playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides.  My FIIO
>>>>>>> player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot
>>>>>>> fucking better.  A lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple
>>>>>> uses to connect to its devices is just plain crude.   Airpods Max
>>>>>> do not support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like crap
>>>>>> compared to capable headphones like B and W PX8s.   Its obvious
>>>>>> Alan has absolutely ZERO audio background.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Your claim was that:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but
>>>>> iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.'
>>>>>
>>>>> And nothing you've replied with supports that claim, whereas my
>>>>> quote utterly refutes it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are an idiot.  I am referring to the ability to get lossless
>>>> support to the headphones.
>>>
>>> Then you should have said that.
>>>
>>>>   Apple codecs do NOT support transfer of lossless. Apple provides
>>>> only a crude bluetooth capability.  To get true high fidelity to the
>>>> headphones requires AptX HD or something better OTHER than Apples
>>>> Bluetooth.  My FIIO player can take the lossless 192/24 bit from
>>>> Apple Music and get it LOSSLESSLY to the the headphones.  Which are
>>>> something other than Apple products which do not support it.
>>>
>>> So when you said that the IPHONE did not support 192/24 lossless...
>>>
>>> ...you were just wrong...
>>>
>>> ...twice.
>>>
>>> Once for making the claim.
>>>
>>> Again, for not clearly stating what you now claim you meant.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>    More lies.  The iphone DOES NOT support lossless music because it
>> has no way to get audio to the headphones by something other than
>> lossy bluetooth.
>
> How about wired earbuds?
>
> 'You can listen to lossless on an iPhone or iPad updated to the latest
> version of iOS or iPadOS using:
>
> A wired connection to headphones, receivers, or powered speakers'
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT212183>
>
> Ooops: wrong again!


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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:35 UTC

On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>> If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing
>>>>>>>>> will...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack
>>>>>>>>> is more
>>>>>>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone is
>>>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>>>> functional by definition)...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
>>>>>>>>> important safety
>>>>>>>>> feature in a phone during an emergency...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
>>>>>>>>> disagree that
>>>>>>>>> it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from 2019
>>>>>>>>> to today...
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet
>>>>>>>>> this standard.
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
>>>>>>>>> portable-memory slot.
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
>>>>>>>>>   AUX
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>   FM
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>   SD
>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In summary, the choices for Android are:
>>>>>>>>> a. 75% AUX
>>>>>>>>> b. 50% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>> c. 71% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
>>>>>>>>> b. 0% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>> c. 0% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
>>>>>>>>> another reason
>>>>>>>>> why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
>>>>>>>> Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves all
>>>>>>> of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless audio
>>>>>>> compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC).
>>>>>>> The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
>>>>>>> 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.  Apple
>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which ARE
>>>>>> REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while playing
>>>>>> back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides.  My FIIO player
>>>>>> does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot fucking
>>>>>> better.  A lot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way
>>>> to get wireless audio to headphones.   You cannot.  Android products
>>>> do.
>>>
>>> I don't have to prove it.
>>>
>>> Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll quote
>>> it for you in its entirety:
>>>
>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>>> Apple from an Apple fan.'
>>>
>>> Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> It is completely accurate.  Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but Apple
>> products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it.  As the iPhone
>> uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external headphones.
>> Completely accurate statement and easily understandable unless one is
>> an idiot.
>
> Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
>
> iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
>
> That's just a fact.
>
> Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same thing.


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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:39 UTC

On 11/22/2023 4:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-11-22, John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>
>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>> headphonesi
>
> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
> incorrect post.
>
>> Completely accurate statement
>
> Nope. Mostly false statement based on a qualifier you failed to mention.
>
>> idiot.
>
> Projection.
>
Nobody uses wired headphones any more. I assumed a certain minimum
level of technical competence. Even using wired headphones the iphone
supports only 48k not 192 k. So my statement was completely accurate.
With Android I can get 192/24 bit to wireless headphones from the
Apple Music Android App. Thats a fact. The improved sound quality is
incredible,.

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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:42 UTC

On 11/22/2023 8:13 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>
>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>> headphonesi
>>>
>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>>> incorrect post.
>>
>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?
>>
>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>> wireless
>> setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>> comprehension.
>
> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>
> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
> Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy an
> Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music high
> fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple
> from an Apple fan. '
>
> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>
> That would be great!

A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
nobody uses wired headphones anymore. Even using wired headphones
192/24 bit is not possible. Only 48k.

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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:43 UTC

On 11/22/2023 9:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>> headphonesi
>>>>
>>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
>>>> factually incorrect post.
>>>
>>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
>>> knew?
>>>
>>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>>> wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>>> comprehension.
>>
>> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>>
>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it. Therefore you have to buy
>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>> high fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate gripe with
>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>
>> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>>
>> That would be great!
>
> He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
> emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
> are mental weaklings.
>
192/24 bit is not possible even with wired headphones. Therefore my
statement was completely accurate.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:58 UTC

On 2023-11-22 21:43, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 9:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>>> headphonesi
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
>>>>> factually incorrect post.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
>>>> knew?
>>>>
>>>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>>>> wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>>>> comprehension.
>>>
>>> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>>>
>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>>
>>> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>>>
>>> That would be great!
>>
>> He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
>> emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
>> are mental weaklings.
>>
> 192/24 bit is not possible even with wired headphones.  Therefore my
> statement was completely accurate.

Nope.

Still wrong!

'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
external digital-to-analog converter'

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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:59 UTC

On 2023-11-22 21:42, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 8:13 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>
>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>> headphonesi
>>>>
>>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>>>> incorrect post.
>>>
>>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?
>>>
>>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>>> wireless
>>> setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>>> comprehension.
>>
>> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>>
>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>
>> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>>
>> That would be great!
>
>
> A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
> nobody uses wired headphones anymore.   Even using wired headphones
> 192/24 bit is not possible.  Only 48k.

You said the PHONE couldn't do it.

It can.

You were wrong.

Deal with it.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:56 UTC

On 2023-11-22 21:33, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 3:31 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22 14:52, John wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2023 2:34 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-22 14:27, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:54 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 13:02, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 12:57 PM, John wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> will...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX
>>>>>>>>>>> jack is more
>>>>>>>>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone
>>>>>>>>>>> is less
>>>>>>>>>>> functional by definition)...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
>>>>>>>>>>> important safety
>>>>>>>>>>> feature in a phone during an emergency...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
>>>>>>>>>>> disagree that
>>>>>>>>>>> it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from
>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet
>>>>>>>>>>> this standard.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
>>>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
>>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
>>>>>>>>>>> portable-memory slot.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
>>>>>>>>>>>   AUX
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>>   FM
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>>   SD
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In summary, the choices for Android are:
>>>>>>>>>>> a. 75% AUX
>>>>>>>>>>> b. 50% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>>> c. 71% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> choices):
>>>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
>>>>>>>>>>> b. 0% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>>> c. 0% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
>>>>>>>>>>> another reason
>>>>>>>>>>> why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to
>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
>>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
>>>>>>>>>> Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple
>>>>>>>>>> fan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves
>>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless
>>>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec
>>>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
>>>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
>>>>>>>>> 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.  Apple
>>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which
>>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
>>>>>>>> playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides.  My
>>>>>>>> FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot
>>>>>>>> fucking better.  A lot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Further more intelligent people realize the bluetooth codec Apple
>>>>>>> uses to connect to its devices is just plain crude.   Airpods Max
>>>>>>> do not support AptXHD or other advanced codecs and sound like
>>>>>>> crap compared to capable headphones like B and W PX8s.   Its
>>>>>>> obvious Alan has absolutely ZERO audio background.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your claim was that:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but
>>>>>> iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And nothing you've replied with supports that claim, whereas my
>>>>>> quote utterly refutes it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are an idiot.  I am referring to the ability to get lossless
>>>>> support to the headphones.
>>>>
>>>> Then you should have said that.
>>>>
>>>>>   Apple codecs do NOT support transfer of lossless. Apple provides
>>>>> only a crude bluetooth capability.  To get true high fidelity to
>>>>> the headphones requires AptX HD or something better OTHER than
>>>>> Apples Bluetooth.  My FIIO player can take the lossless 192/24 bit
>>>>> from Apple Music and get it LOSSLESSLY to the the headphones.
>>>>> Which are something other than Apple products which do not support it.
>>>>
>>>> So when you said that the IPHONE did not support 192/24 lossless...
>>>>
>>>> ...you were just wrong...
>>>>
>>>> ...twice.
>>>>
>>>> Once for making the claim.
>>>>
>>>> Again, for not clearly stating what you now claim you meant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>    More lies.  The iphone DOES NOT support lossless music because it
>>> has no way to get audio to the headphones by something other than
>>> lossy bluetooth.
>>
>> How about wired earbuds?
>>
>> 'You can listen to lossless on an iPhone or iPad updated to the latest
>> version of iOS or iPadOS using:
>>
>> A wired connection to headphones, receivers, or powered speakers'
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/HT212183>
>>
>> Ooops: wrong again!
>
>
>
> With Android you can listen to lossless from Apple Music App with
> WIRELESS headphones. You truly are an idiot.


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On 2023-11-22 21:35, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing
>>>>>>>>>> will...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX jack
>>>>>>>>>> is more
>>>>>>>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone
>>>>>>>>>> is less
>>>>>>>>>> functional by definition)...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
>>>>>>>>>> important safety
>>>>>>>>>> feature in a phone during an emergency...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
>>>>>>>>>> disagree that
>>>>>>>>>> it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from
>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet
>>>>>>>>>> this standard.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
>>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
>>>>>>>>>> portable-memory slot.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
>>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
>>>>>>>>>>   AUX
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>   FM
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>   SD
>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In summary, the choices for Android are:
>>>>>>>>>> a. 75% AUX
>>>>>>>>>> b. 50% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>> c. 71% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple choices):
>>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
>>>>>>>>>> b. 0% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>> c. 0% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
>>>>>>>>>> another reason
>>>>>>>>>> why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to ignore
>>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
>>>>>>>>> Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves
>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless
>>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec
>>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
>>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
>>>>>>>> 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.  Apple
>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which
>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
>>>>>>> playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides.  My FIIO
>>>>>>> player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot
>>>>>>> fucking better.  A lot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way
>>>>> to get wireless audio to headphones.   You cannot.  Android
>>>>> products do.
>>>>
>>>> I don't have to prove it.
>>>>
>>>> Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll quote
>>>> it for you in its entirety:
>>>>
>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>>>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>>>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to
>>>> buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best
>>>> music high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate
>>>> gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>
>>> It is completely accurate.  Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but Apple
>>> products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it.  As the
>>> iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external headphones.
>>> Completely accurate statement and easily understandable unless one is
>>> an idiot.
>>
>> Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
>>
>> iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
>>
>> That's just a fact.
>>
>> Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same
>> thing.
>
>
> IPhones support up to only 48 K moron.  Read your own Apple support link.


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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:59 UTC

On 2023-11-22 21:39, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 4:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22, John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>> headphonesi
>>
>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>> incorrect post.
>>
>>> Completely accurate statement
>>
>> Nope. Mostly false statement based on a qualifier you failed to mention.
>>
>>> idiot.
>>
>> Projection.
>>
>   Nobody uses wired headphones any more.  I assumed a certain minimum
> level of technical competence.  Even using wired headphones the iphone
> supports only 48k not 192 k.   So my statement was completely accurate.
>  With Android I can get 192/24 bit to wireless headphones from the
> Apple Music Android App.  Thats a fact.  The improved sound quality is
> incredible,.

'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
external digital-to-analog converter'

Wrong again!

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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:08 UTC

Am 22.11.23 um 21:57 schrieb John:
> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.

Good morning Arlen. You are socially incompetent as ever. Trying to hide
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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:35 UTC

On 11/22/2023 9:57 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 21:35, John wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
>>>> On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> will...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX
>>>>>>>>>>> jack is more
>>>>>>>>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone
>>>>>>>>>>> is less
>>>>>>>>>>> functional by definition)...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
>>>>>>>>>>> important safety
>>>>>>>>>>> feature in a phone during an emergency...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable memory
>>>>>>>>>>> disagree that
>>>>>>>>>>> it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from
>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet
>>>>>>>>>>> this standard.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
>>>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
>>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
>>>>>>>>>>> portable-memory slot.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Compare those choices Android users have to those of the poor
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple user.
>>>>>>>>>>>   AUX
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>>   FM
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>>   SD
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In summary, the choices for Android are:
>>>>>>>>>>> a. 75% AUX
>>>>>>>>>>> b. 50% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>>> c. 71% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> choices):
>>>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
>>>>>>>>>>> b. 0% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>>> c. 0% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
>>>>>>>>>>> another reason
>>>>>>>>>>> why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to
>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
>>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
>>>>>>>>>> Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple
>>>>>>>>>> fan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves
>>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless
>>>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec
>>>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC in
>>>>>>>>> resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
>>>>>>>>> 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.  Apple
>>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which
>>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
>>>>>>>> playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides.  My
>>>>>>>> FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot
>>>>>>>> fucking better.  A lot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a way
>>>>>> to get wireless audio to headphones.   You cannot.  Android
>>>>>> products do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have to prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll
>>>>> quote it for you in its entirety:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
>>>>> but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore
>>>>> you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to
>>>>> get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a
>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>>> It is completely accurate.  Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but
>>>> Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it.  As
>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>> headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily understandable
>>>> unless one is an idiot.
>>>
>>> Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
>>>
>>> iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
>>>
>>> That's just a fact.
>>>
>>> Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same
>>> thing.
>>
>>
>> IPhones support up to only 48 K moron.  Read your own Apple support link.
>
> No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
>
> ...so maybe YOU should read.
>
> :-)
>
Android does NOT require an external D/A converter. Once again you keep
making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a very
expensive iPhone. Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5 times as
much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from a cheap
Android device. Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
implementation of audio weak?


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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:38 UTC

On 11/22/2023 9:58 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 21:43, John wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 9:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>>>> headphonesi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
>>>>>> factually incorrect post.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
>>>>> knew?
>>>>>
>>>>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>>>>> wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>>>>> comprehension.
>>>>
>>>> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>>>>
>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>>>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>>>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>>>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>>>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>>>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>>>
>>>> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>>>>
>>>> That would be great!
>>>
>>> He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
>>> emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
>>> are mental weaklings.
>>>
>> 192/24 bit is not possible even with wired headphones.  Therefore my
>> statement was completely accurate.
>
> Nope.
>
> Still wrong!
>
> 'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
> external digital-to-analog converter'

Android requires NO ADDITIONAL equipment to support 192/24 bit straight
out of the box. You just have provided further demonstration of the
inadequacy of the Apple implantation.

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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:40 UTC

On 11/22/2023 9:59 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 21:42, John wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 8:13 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>>> headphonesi
>>>>>
>>>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>>>>> incorrect post.
>>>>
>>>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?
>>>>
>>>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>>>> wireless
>>>> setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>>>> comprehension.
>>>
>>> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>>>
>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>>
>>> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>>>
>>> That would be great!
>>
>>
>> A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
>> nobody uses wired headphones anymore.   Even using wired headphones
>> 192/24 bit is not possible.  Only 48k.
>
> You said the PHONE couldn't do it.
>
> It can.
>
> You were wrong.
>
> Deal with it.

The iPhone cannot do 192/24 bit without adding additional external
equipment - which Android does not require. Face it you're full of shit.

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 by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:36 UTC

On 11/22/2023 9:59 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 21:39, John wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 4:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-22, John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>> headphonesi
>>>
>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>>> incorrect post.
>>>
>>>> Completely accurate statement
>>>
>>> Nope. Mostly false statement based on a qualifier you failed to mention.
>>>
>>>> idiot.
>>>
>>> Projection.
>>>
>>    Nobody uses wired headphones any more.  I assumed a certain minimum
>> level of technical competence.  Even using wired headphones the iphone
>> supports only 48k not 192 k.   So my statement was completely
>> accurate.   With Android I can get 192/24 bit to wireless headphones
>> from the Apple Music Android App.  Thats a fact.  The improved sound
>> quality is incredible,.
>
> 'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
> external digital-to-analog converter'
>
> Wrong again!

LMAO!! Yeah if you add lots of external equipment you can do what a
cheap Android phone can do audio wise.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:59 UTC

On 2023-11-22 22:38, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 9:58 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22 21:43, John wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2023 9:16 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-23, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>>>>> headphonesi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>>>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial
>>>>>>> factually incorrect post.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
>>>>>> knew?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>>>>>> wireless setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>>>>>> comprehension.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>>>>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>>>>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to buy
>>>>> an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best music
>>>>> high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with
>>>>> Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>>>>
>>>>> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be great!
>>>>
>>>> He won't because he *can't*, because the weak troll is weak. Their
>>>> emotional and intellectual intelligence is woefully inept, because they
>>>> are mental weaklings.
>>>>
>>> 192/24 bit is not possible even with wired headphones.  Therefore my
>>> statement was completely accurate.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Still wrong!
>>
>> 'To listen to songs at sample rates higher than 48 kHz, you need an
>> external digital-to-analog converter'
>
>
> Android requires NO ADDITIONAL equipment to support 192/24 bit straight
> out of the box.  You just have provided further demonstration of the
> inadequacy of the Apple implantation.

Stop making excuses for being wrong in the first post.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 07:00 UTC

On 2023-11-22 22:40, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 9:59 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22 21:42, John wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2023 8:13 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-22 19:41, Wally J wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>>>> headphonesi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>>>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>>>>>> incorrect post.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already
>>>>> knew?
>>>>>
>>>>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>>>>> wireless
>>>>> setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>>>>> comprehension.
>>>>
>>>> Here is his entire first post on the subject:
>>>>
>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio codecs.
>>>> Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>>>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore you have to
>>>> buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to get the best
>>>> music high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate
>>>> gripe with Apple from an Apple fan. '
>>>>
>>>> Point out the part that mentions "wireless setup" at all.
>>>>
>>>> That would be great!
>>>
>>>
>>> A certain miniumum level of technical competence was assumed since
>>> nobody uses wired headphones anymore.   Even using wired headphones
>>> 192/24 bit is not possible.  Only 48k.
>>
>> You said the PHONE couldn't do it.
>>
>> It can.
>>
>> You were wrong.
>>
>> Deal with it.
>
>
> The iPhone cannot do 192/24 bit without adding additional external
> equipment - which Android does not require.  Face it you're full of shit.

You were full of shit in the first post.

Just admit it.

You didn't know ANY of the actual facts.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 06:59 UTC

On 2023-11-22 22:35, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 9:57 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22 21:35, John wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
>>>>> On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled, nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> will...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX
>>>>>>>>>>>> jack is more
>>>>>>>>>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the phone
>>>>>>>>>>>> is less
>>>>>>>>>>>> functional by definition)...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
>>>>>>>>>>>> important safety
>>>>>>>>>>>> feature in a phone during an emergency...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable
>>>>>>>>>>>> memory disagree that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a very handy way to privately move data between devices...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models meet
>>>>>>>>>>>> this standard.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
>>>>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
>>>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
>>>>>>>>>>>> portable-memory slot.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than 5%
>>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Compare those choices Android users have to those of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> poor Apple user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>   AUX
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   FM
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>>>   SD
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In summary, the choices for Android are:
>>>>>>>>>>>> a. 75% AUX
>>>>>>>>>>>> b. 50% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>>>> c. 71% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>> choices):
>>>>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
>>>>>>>>>>>> b. 0% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>>>> c. 0% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
>>>>>>>>>>>> another reason
>>>>>>>>>>>> why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
>>>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> fan.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves
>>>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own lossless
>>>>>>>>>> audio compression technology called Apple Lossless Audio Codec
>>>>>>>>>> (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded using ALAC
>>>>>>>>>> in resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to
>>>>>>>>>> 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.  Apple
>>>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which
>>>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
>>>>>>>>> playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides.  My
>>>>>>>>> FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a lot
>>>>>>>>> fucking better.  A lot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a
>>>>>>> way to get wireless audio to headphones.   You cannot.  Android
>>>>>>> products do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have to prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll
>>>>>> quote it for you in its entirety:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
>>>>>> but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore
>>>>>> you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to
>>>>>> get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a
>>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> It is completely accurate.  Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but
>>>>> Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it.  As
>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>> headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily understandable
>>>>> unless one is an idiot.
>>>>
>>>> Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
>>>>
>>>> iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
>>>>
>>>> That's just a fact.
>>>>
>>>> Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same
>>>> thing.
>>>
>>>
>>> IPhones support up to only 48 K moron.  Read your own Apple support
>>> link.
>>
>> No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
>>
>> ...so maybe YOU should read.
>>
>> :-)
>>
> Android does NOT require an external D/A converter.  Once again you keep
> making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a very
> expensive iPhone.  Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5 times as
> much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from a cheap
> Android device.   Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
> implementation of audio weak?


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On 11/22/2023 10:59 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 22:35, John wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 9:57 PM, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-22 21:35, John wrote:
>>>> On 11/22/2023 3:41 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-22 14:51, John wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 2:35 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 14:29, John wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2023 1:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-22 12:57, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/19/2023 7:33 PM, Alan wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-19 18:09, John wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/17/2023 4:06 PM, Wally J wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If this doesn't convince you the iPhone is crippled,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing will...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a. AUX Jacks are 75% of Android models; *0% choice for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> b. FM Radio is 50% of Android models; *0% choice for iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> c. Portable memory is 71% of Android models; *0% choice for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> iPhones*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given nobody sensible would claim a phone without the AUX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> jack is more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional than a phone without it (as without it, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> phone is less
>>>>>>>>>>>>> functional by definition)...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And given nobody sensible would claim an FM radio isn't an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> important safety
>>>>>>>>>>>>> feature in a phone during an emergency...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nor would anyone who understands the power of portable
>>>>>>>>>>>>> memory disagree that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a very handy way to privately move data between
>>>>>>>>>>>>> devices...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of the total of 2,548 Android models offered for sale from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2019 to today...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the AUX jack, 1,907 (75%) of current Android models
>>>>>>>>>>>>> meet this standard.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for FM Radio, 1,257 Androids (50%) have the FM radio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> emergency feature.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where 1,163 (46%) have both the emergency FM radio & the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> standard AUX jack.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's look at the 1,801 (71%) with the all-important
>>>>>>>>>>>>> portable-memory slot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But only 112 with a removable battery, which is less than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5% unfortunately.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=2&idBatRemovable=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Compare those choices Android users have to those of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> poor Apple user.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   AUX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chk35mm=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   FM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   SD
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?nYearMin=2019&chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1,2&sOSes=3&idCardslot=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In summary, the choices for Android are:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a. 75% AUX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> b. 50% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> c. 71% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's a _lot_ of choices (especially compared to Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> choices):
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a. 0% AUX
>>>>>>>>>>>>> b. 0% FM Radio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> c. 0% SD SLOT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The lack of basic hardware functionality on iPhones is yet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>> why anyone claiming to "compare" the two platforms, has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that makes a phone useful - as the iPhone lacks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> basic hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from
>>>>>>>>>>>> an Apple fan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that preserves
>>>>>>>>>>> all of the original data. Apple has developed its own
>>>>>>>>>>> lossless audio compression technology called Apple Lossless
>>>>>>>>>>> Audio Codec (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog is encoded
>>>>>>>>>>> using ALAC in resolutions ranging from 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD
>>>>>>>>>>> Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.  Apple
>>>>>>>>>> devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like AptxHD which
>>>>>>>>>> ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with headphones while
>>>>>>>>>> playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple Music provides.  My
>>>>>>>>>> FIIO player does support that with Apple Music and sounds a
>>>>>>>>>> lot fucking better.  A lot.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a
>>>>>>>> way to get wireless audio to headphones.   You cannot.  Android
>>>>>>>> products do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have to prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll
>>>>>>> quote it for you in its entirety:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits
>>>>>>> but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.  Therefore
>>>>>>> you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based music player to
>>>>>>> get the best music high fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a
>>>>>>> legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is completely accurate.  Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but
>>>>>> Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it.  As
>>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>>> headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily
>>>>>> understandable unless one is an idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
>>>>>
>>>>> iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's just a fact.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the same
>>>>> thing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IPhones support up to only 48 K moron.  Read your own Apple support
>>>> link.
>>>
>>> No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
>>>
>>> ...so maybe YOU should read.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>>
>> Android does NOT require an external D/A converter.  Once again you
>> keep making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a
>> very expensive iPhone.  Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5
>> times as much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from a
>> cheap Android device.   Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
>> implementation of audio weak?
>
> Again, you keep making excuses for you being wrong.


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On 11/22/23 7:41 PM, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>> headphonesi
>>
>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>> incorrect post.
>
> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?
>
> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled wireless
> setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of comprehension.
>
> It seems "John" made a sensible case, where, yet again, for the umpteenth
> time, the crippled iPhone lacks basic high standards Android always had.

What is really hilarious is that Android works better with Apples own
music service for lossless audio than what Apple products do. That
should be an embarrassment to Apple and means Apple needs to get its act
together.

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On 2023-11-23 09:58, John wrote:
> On 11/22/23 7:41 PM, Wally J wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>>
>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>> headphonesi
>>>
>>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>>> incorrect post.
>>
>> Why are you trying to make excuses for what everyone else already knew?
>>
>> It was clear from the start he was talking about Apple's crippled
>> wireless
>> setup, Jolly Roger - so don't blame "John" for your lack of
>> comprehension.
>>
>> It seems "John" made a sensible case, where, yet again, for the umpteenth
>> time, the crippled iPhone lacks basic high standards Android always had.
>
>
> What is really hilarious is that Android works better with Apples own
> music service for lossless audio than what Apple products do.  That
> should be an embarrassment to Apple and means Apple needs to get its act
> together.

What is really really hilarious is that you said this:

"Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it."

But what is really really really hilarious is that you just can't admit
that that claim was wrong.

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 by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 18:20 UTC

On 2023-11-22 23:05, John wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 10:59 PM, Alan wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it. Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android based music player to get the best music high
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Apple from an Apple fan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that
>>>>>>>>>>>> preserves all of the original data. Apple has developed its
>>>>>>>>>>>> own lossless audio compression technology called Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog
>>>>>>>>>>>> is encoded using ALAC in resolutions ranging from
>>>>>>>>>>>> 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like
>>>>>>>>>>> AptxHD which ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with
>>>>>>>>>>> headphones while playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> Music provides.  My FIIO player does support that with Apple
>>>>>>>>>>> Music and sounds a lot fucking better.  A lot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a
>>>>>>>>> way to get wireless audio to headphones.   You cannot.  Android
>>>>>>>>> products do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have to prove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll
>>>>>>>> quote it for you in its entirety:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
>>>>>>>> Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is completely accurate.  Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but
>>>>>>> Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it.  As
>>>>>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>>>> headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily
>>>>>>> understandable unless one is an idiot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's just a fact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the
>>>>>> same thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IPhones support up to only 48 K moron.  Read your own Apple support
>>>>> link.
>>>>
>>>> No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
>>>>
>>>> ...so maybe YOU should read.
>>>>
>>>> :-)
>>>>
>>> Android does NOT require an external D/A converter.  Once again you
>>> keep making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a
>>> very expensive iPhone.  Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5
>>> times as much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from
>>> a cheap Android device.   Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
>>> implementation of audio weak?
>>
>> Again, you keep making excuses for you being wrong.
>
>
> You are the one proven wrong.  You had to add an external D/A converter.
>  I specifically stated an iPhone 15.  Intelligent people realize that
> means the discussion was limited to Apple phone versus Android phone and
> that external equipment to allow Apple to equal Android performance was
> not part of that.  Never the less you provided good information proving
> Apple iPhone by itself cannot equal Android audio performance- of course
> proving my original assertion.

The discussion was originally about what the iPhone 15 ITSELF supported:

"Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
Pro and other models do not support it."

That was your claim, and it is FALSE.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:06 UTC

On 2023-11-23, John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 11/22/2023 4:39 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22, John <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>> headphonesi
>>
>> Not to wired headphones, it doesn't. And don't think the rest of us
>> didn't notice you didn't mention "wireless" in your initial factually
>> incorrect post.
>>
>>> Completely accurate statement
>>
>> Nope. Mostly false statement based on a qualifier you failed to
>> mention.
>>
>>> idiot.
>>
>> Projection.
>>
> Nobody uses wired headphones any more.

Is that why you trolls constantly bitch and moan about the loss of the
headphone jack right here in this newsgroup, jackass?

> I assumed a certain minimum level of technical competence.

...says the troll who didn't even mention wired or wireless in his
initial troll. Go ahead and point that incompetence detector at yourself
in a mirror, dip shit.

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