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by: John - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:49 UTC

On 11/23/2023 10:20 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2023-11-22 23:05, John wrote:
>> On 11/22/2023 10:59 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it. Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android based music player to get the best music high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fidelity off of Apple Music.   There is a legitimate gripe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with Apple from an Apple fan.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bzzzzzzt.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Lossless compression is a form of compression that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> preserves all of the original data. Apple has developed its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> own lossless audio compression technology called Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lossless Audio Codec (ALAC). The entire Apple Music catalog
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is encoded using ALAC in resolutions ranging from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 16-bit/44.1 kHz (CD Quality) up to 24-bit/192 kHz.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph14e213417/ios>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You were saying?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am saying you are as technically incompetent as ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Apple devices like iPhone 15 do not support codecs like
>>>>>>>>>>>> AptxHD which ARE REQUIRED for maximum performance with
>>>>>>>>>>>> headphones while playing back 192/24 bit ALAC which Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>> Music provides. My FIIO player does support that with Apple
>>>>>>>>>>>> Music and sounds a lot fucking better. A lot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but your unsupported assertions aren't enough.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prove Apple provides something other than lossy Bluetooth as a
>>>>>>>>>> way to get wireless audio to headphones.   You cannot.
>>>>>>>>>> Android products do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your original post doesn't make any mention of Bluetooth. I'll
>>>>>>>>> quote it for you in its entirety:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 'One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless audio
>>>>>>>>> codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24
>>>>>>>>> bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not support it.
>>>>>>>>> Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or Android based
>>>>>>>>> music player to get the best music high fidelity off of Apple
>>>>>>>>> Music.   There is a legitimate gripe with Apple from an Apple
>>>>>>>>> fan.'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Perhaps if you could learn to say what you mean?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is completely accurate. Apple Music supports 192/24 bit but
>>>>>>>> Apple products like iPhone and Airpods Max do not support it.
>>>>>>>> As the iPhone uses Bluetooth to transmit the audio to external
>>>>>>>> headphones. Completely accurate statement and easily
>>>>>>>> understandable unless one is an idiot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why must you double-down on your bullshit?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> iPhones DO support 192kHz/24-bit lossless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's just a fact.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple's Bluetooth options don't support it, but that's not the
>>>>>>> same thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IPhones support up to only 48 K moron. Read your own Apple
>>>>>> support link.
>>>>>
>>>>> No. You just need to use an external D/A converter....
>>>>>
>>>>> ...so maybe YOU should read.
>>>>>
>>>>> :-)
>>>>>
>>>> Android does NOT require an external D/A converter. Once again you
>>>> keep making excuses for inferior Apple implementation for audio on a
>>>> very expensive iPhone. Yeah if you do this, dot that and spend 5
>>>> times as much you might be able to get as good sound as you can from
>>>> a cheap Android device.   Be honest with yourself- isn't the Apple
>>>> implementation of audio weak?
>>>
>>> Again, you keep making excuses for you being wrong.
>>
>>
>> You are the one proven wrong. You had to add an external D/A
>> converter.   I specifically stated an iPhone 15. Intelligent people
>> realize that means the discussion was limited to Apple phone versus
>> Android phone and that external equipment to allow Apple to equal
>> Android performance was not part of that. Never the less you provided
>> good information proving Apple iPhone by itself cannot equal Android
>> audio performance- of course proving my original assertion.
>
> The discussion was originally about what the iPhone 15 ITSELF supported:
>
> "Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15
> Pro and other models do not support it."
>
> That was your claim, and it is FALSE.

No it is not. I mentioned iPhone itself. By itself you dumb moron.

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by: Alan - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 20:21 UTC

On 2023-11-23 11:49, John wrote:
> On 11/23/2023 10:20 AM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2023-11-22 23:05, John wrote:
>>> On 11/22/2023 10:59 PM, Alan wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One area where iPhones fail is in support of lossless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio codecs. Apple Music has lossless support for up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 192khz/24 bits but iPhone 15 Pro and other models do not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support it. Therefore you have to buy an Android Phone or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Android based music player to get the best music high
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fidelity off of Apple Music. There is a legitimate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gripe with Apple from an Apple fan.

>>> You are the one proven wrong. You had to add an external D/A
>>> converter. I specifically stated an iPhone 15. Intelligent people
>>> realize that means the discussion was limited to Apple phone versus
>>> Android phone and that external equipment to allow Apple to equal
>>> Android performance was not part of that. Never the less you
>>> provided good information proving Apple iPhone by itself cannot equal
>>> Android audio performance- of course proving my original assertion.

>> The discussion was originally about what the iPhone 15 ITSELF supported:
>>
>> "Apple Music has lossless support for up to 192khz/24 bits but iPhone
>> 15 Pro and other models do not support it."
>>
>> That was your claim, and it is FALSE.
>
>
> No it is not. I mentioned iPhone itself. By itself you dumb moron.

And the "iPhone itself" clearly supports 192kHz (notice I know that the
abbreviation for "kilohertz" uses a capital "H", BTW?), 24-bit lossless
music. By itself, the iPhone supports downloading and playing back that
format.

And ANY set of headphones/earbuds that connect to ANY phone via
Bluetooth, USB, or Lightning are going to have an external DAC, you
simpleton.

So the fact that you need a peripheral with the appropriate

And NO Bluetooth connection...

....NOT ONE...

....supports lossless audio at 192kHz/24-bit:

'If you’re primarily a Bluetooth user though, there really isn’t any way
to hear true lossless audio. '

<https://majorhifi.com/how-close-are-we-to-getting-lossless-bluetooth/>

192kHz/24-bit audio data rate is 4,608 kbps...

....or 4.5 Mbps.

And the theoretical maximum speed of Bluetooth 5.0 is only 2Mbps.

But, please:

You go right on losing!

:-)

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Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% of mo	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Jolly Roger
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan Browne
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Chris Schram
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan Browne
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan Browne
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Hemidactylus
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Jolly Roger
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Anonymous
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Jolly Roger
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Anonymous
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Jolly Roger
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Hemidactylus
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware	Hemidactylus
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Jolly Roger
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Andrew
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Chris Schram
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan Browne
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Hank Rogers
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Jolly Roger
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	Wally J
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Jolly Roger
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that over 75% o	John
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features	Jolly Roger
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Alan Browne
Re: Zero percent of current iPhones have basic hardware features that	Jörg Lorenz