On 2023-12-03, Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
> On 3 Dec 2023 17:06:14 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> So this may explain why my new iPhone 15 Pro Max came at about 80%
>>> charge in the box? Not knowing then what I know now, I immediately
>>> connected it to the charger before setting it up.
>>
>> And that's not a problem. Apple designed iPhones to charge to 100%,
>> and they automatically slow charge past 80%. All batteries have
>> finite lifespans. They are literally designed to be *used*, gradually
>> die, and eventually be replaced. Replacing an iPhone battery isn't
>> expensive and can be done while you wait. People who babysit their
>> batteries and purposely refrain from charging them past 80% are not
>> only reducing runtime, but are completely missing the point which is
>> that you are supposed to use and enjoy your iPhone as designed. Not
>> only that, but they are constantly maintaining awareness of their
>> battery charge levels and health which adds needless stress to their
>> days. It's foolish and a waste of time.
>
> How much does it cost for the OP to have Apple replace his iPhone
> battery?

When do you think the OP will need to have that battery replaced,
considering they typically they last anywhere from 3-6 years before
people need to replace them? Whatever the cost, spread out over a few
years, it's relatively inexpensive. The OP can see how much it costs to
replace on Apple's website with a simple web search, and it's nowhere
near the cost of a new iPhone.

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On 2023-12-03, Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 10:23:08 -0800, Alan wrote:
>
>>> If you own an iPhone, you're already doomed in terms of overall
>>> battery life expectancy - because Apple cheated you on battery
>>> capacity. Big time.
>>
>> This is simply false.
>
> What's the battery capacity of the OP's phone?

The battery *efficiency* is what matters, and iPhones are much more
efficient than typical Android offerings.

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On 2023-12-04, Oscar Mayer <nobody@oscarmayer.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Dec 2023 12:27:30 -0800, Alan wrote:
>
>>> What's the battery capacity of the OP's phone?
>>
>> I don't need to know.
>
> You do know. The capacity is terrible. That's why you won't say what
> it is.

OP, just so you know, "Oscar Mayer" is a sock puppet of Wally.i He
switches nyms constantly in an effort to avoid filtering and make it
appear his trolls are more popular than they actually are. 😉

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On 4 Dec 2023 01:50:51 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> How much does it cost for the OP to have Apple replace his iPhone
>> battery?
>
> When do you think the OP will need to have that battery replaced,
> considering they typically they last anywhere from 3-6 years before
> people need to replace them? Whatever the cost, spread out over a few
> years, it's relatively inexpensive. The OP can see how much it costs to
> replace on Apple's website with a simple web search, and it's nowhere
> near the cost of a new iPhone.

You know the cost. You're not saying how much because it's terrible.

https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210323
https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

On 2023-12-04 05:24:48 +0000, Oscar Mayer said:
> On 4 Dec 2023 01:50:51 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> How much does it cost for the OP to have Apple replace his iPhone
>>> battery?
>>
>> When do you think the OP will need to have that battery replaced,
>> considering they typically they last anywhere from 3-6 years before
>> people need to replace them? Whatever the cost, spread out over a few
>> years, it's relatively inexpensive. The OP can see how much it costs to
>> replace on Apple's website with a simple web search, and it's nowhere
>> near the cost of a new iPhone.
>
> You know the cost. You're not saying how much because it's terrible.
>
> https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210323
> https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

iPhone 15 battery replacement = US$99 from Apple
Samsung S23 bettery replacement = US$90 from Samsung

Yep, that extra US$9 is just terrible. :-\

I do wish this moronic anti-Apple trolls would get a single braincell
and grow the f*** up!!

On 2023-12-03 21:24, Oscar Mayer wrote:
> On 4 Dec 2023 01:50:51 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> How much does it cost for the OP to have Apple replace his iPhone
>>> battery?
>>
>> When do you think the OP will need to have that battery replaced,
>> considering they typically they last anywhere from 3-6 years before
>> people need to replace them? Whatever the cost, spread out over a few
>> years, it's relatively inexpensive. The OP can see how much it costs to
>> replace on Apple's website with a simple web search, and it's nowhere
>> near the cost of a new iPhone.
>
> You know the cost. You're not saying how much because it's terrible.

If that were true, why didn't you show us?

>
> https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210323
> https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement

Literally not one word that contrasts the cost of replacing an iPhone
battery to that of any other phone.

On 2023-12-04, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2023-12-04 05:24:48 +0000, Oscar Mayer said:
>> On 4 Dec 2023 01:50:51 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> How much does it cost for the OP to have Apple replace his iPhone
>>>> battery?
>>>
>>> When do you think the OP will need to have that battery replaced,
>>> considering they typically they last anywhere from 3-6 years before
>>> people need to replace them? Whatever the cost, spread out over a
>>> few years, it's relatively inexpensive. The OP can see how much it
>>> costs to replace on Apple's website with a simple web search, and
>>> it's nowhere near the cost of a new iPhone.
>>
>> You know the cost. You're not saying how much because it's terrible.
>>
>> https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210323
>> https://support.apple.com/iphone/repair/battery-replacement
>
> iPhone 15 battery replacement = US$99 from Apple
> Samsung S23 bettery replacement = US$90 from Samsung
>
> Yep, that extra US$9 is just terrible. :-\

A clown who spends $1000+ on a smartphone and then complains that
replacing the battery every 3-5 years for $99 is "terrible" probably
shouldn't own a smartphone. These people are fucking ridiculous. 🤡

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On 03.12.23 15:44, Cameo wrote:
> So this may explain why my new iPhone 15 Pro Max came at about 80%
> charge in the box? Not knowing then what I know now, I immediately
> connected it to the charger before setting it up.

Absolutely perfect. No problem at all.

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On 02.12.23 16:40, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2023-12-01 09:03, Cameo wrote:
>> What would do it better? Draining it till practical, or keep it almost
>> fully charged by having it on charger when not in use?
>
> CW: Keep the battery between 20% and 80%. Newest iPhone has an 80%
> limit option. (Not sure why Apple didn't include the option for older
> iPhones running iOS 17 ...).
>
> You can also get apps and external charger to hold that on older versions
>
> Unused phones: Store at about 50% (40%..69%).
>
> Occasionally drain it to 0% solely to calibrate the charge level
> monitor. (I do this accidentally at least 2x per year and that is all
> that takes).

You are spreading FUD and absolut nonsense.
First calibrating is done at 100% not at 0%.
Draining to 0% is killing the battery with absolut certainty. All Li-Ion
accumulators.

You are an idiot.

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On 2023-12-07 05:42, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 02.12.23 16:40, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-12-01 09:03, Cameo wrote:
>>> What would do it better? Draining it till practical, or keep it almost
>>> fully charged by having it on charger when not in use?
>>
>> CW: Keep the battery between 20% and 80%. Newest iPhone has an 80%
>> limit option. (Not sure why Apple didn't include the option for older
>> iPhones running iOS 17 ...).
>>
>> You can also get apps and external charger to hold that on older versions
>>
>> Unused phones: Store at about 50% (40%..69%).
>>
>> Occasionally drain it to 0% solely to calibrate the charge level
>> monitor. (I do this accidentally at least 2x per year and that is all
>> that takes).
>
> You are spreading FUD and absolut nonsense.
> First calibrating is done at 100% not at 0%

You can't calculate an accurate slope (percentage discharge as f(v)) w/o
both ends of the line. Discharge to 10% is quite adequate. And
discharge to 1% is slightly better (for accuracy).

Inadvertently I've discharged my iPhones to 0% over a dozen times. Yet
after 4 years of use, still at 90% battery "Max Capacity" per the Apple
diagnostic.

And my iPad Mini has gone many dozens of times to 0% over 5 years and is
still going well. (older iOS - no mac cap indication).

> Draining to 0% is killing the battery with absolut certainty. All Li-Ion
> accumulators.

You're confusing the % indication with absolute voltage. 0% ≠ 0V.

Draining below a certain voltage, can damage the batt (and even then can
be "recovered" with little long term damage with the correct chargers.

But Apple's "0%" point is (like most Li-ion charge controllers) set at a
slight margin above that voltage. Which, typically, for Li-ion is about
2.5V.

So most Li-ion battery __ charge controllers __ will open the circuit
(turn off the device) at 2.8V. And the % indicator is usually
indicating 0% at about 2.8V. And yes smartphones have charge controllers.

The rest (2.5V .. 2.8V) serves 2 purposes:

- safety margin
- discharge margin as the batt will continue to self-discharge below
2.8V ... this give some time to get battery to a charger (months if
there is no additional load.

> You are knowledgeable about these things. FTFY

Yes, I know about these things quite well. Our company buys oodles of
Li-ion batteries every year for various products (18650 and similar
formats) as well as "system batteries" (proprietary cartridges of some
kind or another). So knowing the charge characteristic - and making
sure the employees do, saves us a bundle of cash yearly.

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Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 02.12.23 16:40, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2023-12-01 09:03, Cameo wrote:
>>> What would do it better? Draining it till practical, or keep it almost
>>> fully charged by having it on charger when not in use?
>>
>> CW: Keep the battery between 20% and 80%. Newest iPhone has an 80%
>> limit option. (Not sure why Apple didn't include the option for older
>> iPhones running iOS 17 ...).
>>
>> You can also get apps and external charger to hold that on older versions
>>
>> Unused phones: Store at about 50% (40%..69%).
>>
>> Occasionally drain it to 0% solely to calibrate the charge level
>> monitor. (I do this accidentally at least 2x per year and that is all
>> that takes).
>
> You are spreading FUD and absolut nonsense.
> First calibrating is done at 100% not at 0%.
> Draining to 0% is killing the battery with absolut certainty. All Li-Ion
> accumulators.
>
> You are an idiot.
>

Thanks for setting that straight, Jughead.