On 2024-01-02, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
V> Chris wrote:
>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
>>
>> Yes.
>
> It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
> Halloween masks.

Nope. It uses AI to detect *gradual* changes in appearance, but will not
accept drastic or sudden changes.

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On 2024-01-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>> On 1/2/2024 4:56 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> > Chris wrote:
>> >> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
>> >>
>> >> Yes.
>> >
>> > It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
>> > Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
>
>> With a medical mask did not recognize me and I had to use the PIN
>> number. But that's how I expect it to work, anyway.
>
> But you can tell iPhone to do your masked face since iOS v15.4 in
> supported iPhones as shown in https://support.apple.com/en-us/102452.

While you can do that, it reduces security since it effectively tells
Face ID to ignore the bottom portion of your face that is covered by a
mask. A much more secure option is to unlock your iPhone with your Apple
Watch while wearing a mask. I've used that method extensively, and it's
great.

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On 1/3/2024 3:34 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2024-01-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 1/2/2024 4:56 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
>>>> Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
>>
>>> With a medical mask did not recognize me and I had to use the PIN
>>> number. But that's how I expect it to work, anyway.
>>
>> But you can tell iPhone to do your masked face since iOS v15.4 in
>> supported iPhones as shown in https://support.apple.com/en-us/102452.
>
> While you can do that, it reduces security since it effectively tells
> Face ID to ignore the bottom portion of your face that is covered by a
> mask. A much more secure option is to unlock your iPhone with your Apple
> Watch while wearing a mask. I've used that method extensively, and it's
> great.
>

It was enough spending for the iPhone 15 Pro Max for now. Especially
since I can still use, in a limited way, my Fossil watch, previously
used with my Android phone.

https://www.fossil.com/en-au/products/gen-5-smartwatch-the-carlyle-hr-black-silicone-/FTW4025.html

On 1/3/2024 12:50 AM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2024-01-02 23:06:42 +0000, ken said:
>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 08:34:45 +1100, Your Name <YourName@yourisp.com>
>> wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-28 20:34:32 +0000, Cameo said:
>>>> On 12/28/2023 1:37 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-12-27 23:44:40 +0000, Cameo said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've noticed with amazement that my iPhone 15 Pro Max can ID my
>>>>>> face even in dark. How does it do it? Using infraread light?
>>>>> Yes. It can't use a simple photo, because that would be far too
>>>>> easy to get around (using another photo, etc.). Face ID projects
>>>>> thousands of tiny infrared dots onto your face to measure the
>>>>> depth, etc. and is purposely designed to also be able to work in
>>>>> total darkness.
>>>>> About Face ID advanced technology
>>>>> The technology that enables Face ID is some of the most
>>>>> advanced hardware and software that we’ve ever created.
>>>>> The TrueDepth camera captures accurate face data by
>>>>> projecting and analyzing thousands of invisible dots to
>>>>> create a depth map of your face and also captures an
>>>>> infrared image of your face. A portion of the neural
>>>>> engine of the A11, A12 Bionic, A12X Bionic, A13 Bionic,
>>>>> A14 Bionic, and A15 Bionic chip—protected within the
>>>>> Secure Enclave—transforms the depth map and infrared
>>>>> image into a mathematical representation and compares
>>>>> that representation to the enrolled facial data.
>>>>> Face ID automatically adapts to changes in your
>>>>> appearance, such as wearing cosmetic makeup or growing
>>>>> facial hair. If there is a more significant change in
>>>>> your appearance, like shaving a full beard, Face ID
>>>>> confirms your identity by using your passcode before it
>>>>> updates your face data. Face ID is designed to work with
>>>>> hats, scarves, glasses, contact lenses, and many
>>>>> sunglasses. Furthermore, it's designed to work indoors,
>>>>> outdoors, and even in total darkness. With iOS 15.4 and
>>>>> iPhone 12 or later, Face ID even works with face masks.
>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/102381>
>>>> Thanks. It sounds that it is harder to defeat than fingerprint Id.
>>>
>>> Supposedly it is, but in reality some people have fooled Face ID, the
>>> obviusly example being twins or even just someone who looks enough
>>> like a sibling or parent. Some people have reportedly used 3D masks
>>> as well.
>>
>>> I refuse to use either Face ID or Fingerprint ID,
>>
>> More fool you. 1
>>
>>> or the stupid 'trace the pattern' options on some phones. A sensible
>>> password is all you need.
>>
>> But is nowhere near as convenient to use.
>
> It takes a couple of seconds (at most) longer ... whoop-de-doo!  :-\
> I'm not a lazy-ass, so I'd rather have usability and reliablility over
> flakey gimmickry any day.

Have it your way then.

On 2024-01-03, Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
> On 1/3/2024 3:34 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>> On 2024-01-02, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 1/2/2024 4:56 AM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>> Cameo <cameo@unreal.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So would it recognize my face even after I grew beard?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> It'll probably work even if he wears one of those gruesome rubber
>>>>> Halloween masks. Apple stuff always just works.
>>>
>>>> With a medical mask did not recognize me and I had to use the PIN
>>>> number. But that's how I expect it to work, anyway.
>>>
>>> But you can tell iPhone to do your masked face since iOS v15.4 in
>>> supported iPhones as shown in
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/102452.
>>
>> While you can do that, it reduces security since it effectively tells
>> Face ID to ignore the bottom portion of your face that is covered by
>> a mask. A much more secure option is to unlock your iPhone with your
>> Apple Watch while wearing a mask. I've used that method extensively,
>> and it's great.
>
> It was enough spending for the iPhone 15 Pro Max for now.

I'm just commenting on the caveats of this particular feature. You do
you.

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