Apple overtakes Samsung as world's biggest phonemaker
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Apple now has the lion's share of the global smartphone market,
knocking Samsung off the top spot for the first time in 12 years.

The American phone giant accounted for more than a fifth of
phones shipped last year, according to data from the
International Data Corporation (IDC).

Samsung took 19.4% of the market share with Chinese phonemakers
Xiaomi, OPPO and Transsion following behind.

Smartphone sales have been faltering as many people upgraded in
the pandemic.

The IDC reports that almost 1.2 billion smartphones were sold
last year - a drop of more than 3% on the previous year. It is
the lowest amount sold in a decade, with many consumers
tightening their purse strings in the face of economic
challenges and high interest rates. Experts predict the market
will recover this year.

Apple's rise
Still, the IDC said Apple - which sold more than 234 million
phones last year - is "the biggest winner".

"Not only is Apple the only player in the Top 3 to show positive
growth annually, but also bags the number 1 spot annually for
the first time ever," said the IDC's Nabila Popal.

"All this despite facing increased regulatory challenges and
renewed competition from Huawei in China, its largest market."

Huawei has recently made strides in making its own chips, after
being banned from buying chips that were made using US
technology over claims the company poses a national security
risk to Washington.

Offers to trade in old models as well as interest-free
financing plans are also driving demand for premium devices like
Apple.

Samsung slump
It's disappointing news for Samsung which - until now - had the
top spot as the world's largest maker of memory chips,
smartphones and televisions.

Recently, the South Korean electronics giant warned its profits
would drop more than expected as global demand for consumer
electronics remains weak.

It is also facing competition from cheaper Android models
including Transsion and Xiaomi which are getting a boost from
both price-savvy consumers and emerging markets.

The IDC also said the smartphone market is entering a "very
interesting time", with a growing number of Android-providers
splintering the market and customers increasingly prioritising
foldable phones and AI capabilities.

<https://www.bbc.com/news/business-68002846>

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 19:22:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:
> Apple overtakes Samsung as world's biggest phonemaker

Huawei is on track to overtake Apple in only a few years.
https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartphone-os-market-share/

Android is the clear leader with a market share of 81% in Q3 2023.
iOS has a market share of 16%.
Showing promising growth, Huawei's HarmonyOS has captured a 3% share.

Android is popular among smartphone brands due to its deep-rooted
experience in software and its open-platform nature.

On 17.01.24 15:15, Patrick wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 19:22:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>> Apple overtakes Samsung as world's biggest phonemaker
>
> Huawei is on track to overtake Apple in only a few years.
> https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartphone-os-market-share/
>
> Android is the clear leader with a market share of 81% in Q3 2023.
> iOS has a market share of 16%.
> Showing promising growth, Huawei's HarmonyOS has captured a 3% share.
>
> Android is popular among smartphone brands due to its deep-rooted
> experience in software and its open-platform nature.

What did you smoke?

Android 70.2%
IOS 29.1%
Samsung 0.38%

Questions?

https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/184335/umfrage/marktanteil-der-mobilen-betriebssysteme-weltweit-seit-2009/

--
"Manus manum lavat."

On 17.01.24 17:43, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> On 17.01.24 15:15, Patrick wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 19:22:03 +1300, Your Name wrote:
>>> Apple overtakes Samsung as world's biggest phonemaker
>>
>> Huawei is on track to overtake Apple in only a few years.
>> https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartphone-os-market-share/
>>
>> Android is the clear leader with a market share of 81% in Q3 2023.
>> iOS has a market share of 16%.
>> Showing promising growth, Huawei's HarmonyOS has captured a 3% share.
>>
>> Android is popular among smartphone brands due to its deep-rooted
>> experience in software and its open-platform nature.
>
> What did you smoke?
>
> Android 70.2%
> IOS 29.1%
> Samsung 0.38%
>
> Questions?
>
> https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/184335/umfrage/marktanteil-der-mobilen-betriebssysteme-weltweit-seit-2009/

Installed base btw. Huawei is dead in the Western World.

--
"Manus manum lavat."

On 1/17/2024 6:15 AM, Patrick wrote:

<snip>

> Android is the clear leader with a market share of 81% in Q3 2023. iOS
> has a market share of 16%. Showing promising growth, Huawei's HarmonyOS
> has captured a 3% share.
> Android is popular among smartphone brands due to its deep-rooted
> experience in software and its open-platform nature.

I think that the big concern of Apple is the trend in OS adoption. iOS
reached a high of 22% in Q4 2022 and now has fallen to 16%. Android went
from 76% to 81%. Harmony went from 2% to 3%, see
<https://www.counterpointresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Global-Smartphone-OS-Sales-Share-Q3-2023-3.png>.

I just read that Apple has cut iPhone prices in China and that Huawei's
HarmonyOS is expected to take over iOS in market share in China later
this year, see
<https://www.counterpointresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/China-Smartphone-OS-Sales-Share-Q3-2023-2.png>.
No doubt that Apple would love to stop this from happening.

<https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartphone-os-market-share/>.

sms wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:13:07 -0800 :
> I think that the big concern of Apple is the trend in OS adoption. iOS
> reached a high of 22% in Q4 2022 and now has fallen to 16%.

Agree.

World wide iOS adoption has been steadily decreasing due to lack of the
ability of iOS devices to work without the Internet always being available.

The reason is Android doesn't need all those expensive crutches to work.

> Android went
> from 76% to 81%. Harmony went from 2% to 3%, see
> <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Global-Smartphone-OS-Sales-Share-Q3-2023-3.png>.

Agree.

I don't know if HarmonyOS works without the expensive crutches iOS needs
just to work, but if it doesn't need them - then iOS is doomed in China.

> I just read that Apple has cut iPhone prices in China and that Huawei's
> HarmonyOS is expected to take over iOS in market share in China later
> this year, see
> <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/China-Smartphone-OS-Sales-Share-Q3-2023-2.png>
Agree.

Apple designs iOS not to work well in the real world outside the full-time
Internet that only the most developed countries enjoy for all residents.

Therefore, it's only in the USA with everyone having nearly full-time
Internet access that iOS has any appreciable traction as elsewhere people
can't afford the expensive crutches iOS requires just to make it work.

> No doubt that Apple would love to stop this from happening.
> <https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/global-smartphone-os-market-share/>.

Paradoxically, the EU forcing Apple to play nice with the world outside the
walled garden for once, will probably help Apple's world-wide market share.

On 2024-01-17 19:49:16 +0000, Andrew said:
> sms wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:13:07 -0800 :
>>
>> I think that the big concern of Apple is the trend in OS adoption. iOS
>> reached a high of 22% in Q4 2022 and now has fallen to 16%.
>
> Agree.
>
> World wide iOS adoption has been steadily decreasing due to lack of the
> ability of iOS devices to work without the Internet always being available.
>
> The reason is Android doesn't need all those expensive crutches to work.

More know-nothing nonsense from the anti-Apple trolls. Apple devices do
not *need* the internet to work either. :-\

Try actually using an Apple device before spouting your utter crap.

Another moron gets added to the killfile.

On 2024-01-17 14:49, Andrew wrote:
> sms wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 11:13:07 -0800 :
>> I think that the big concern of Apple is the trend in OS adoption. iOS
>> reached a high of 22% in Q4 2022 and now has fallen to 16%.
>
> Agree.
>
> World wide iOS adoption has been steadily decreasing due to lack of the
> ability of iOS devices to work without the Internet always being available.
>
> The reason is Android doesn't need all those expensive crutches to work.

Total nonsense. iPhone does not need the internet to work anymore than
Android does.
Of course, as portable information devices they are both useless w/o it.

At least map data can be downloaded (on both) so navigation works.

And music.

And video.

And ...

So, this myth of yours dies another death.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Your Name wrote on Thu, 18 Jan 2024 10:31:33 +1300 :

> Apple devices do not *need* the internet to work either. :-\

Apples designs the iPhone to require crutches to work in the real world.
(The "real world" here being defined as outside the industrialized world.)

What you didn't understand is the rest of the world doesn't have full-time
access to Apple's online servers without which Apple devices fail to work.
> Try actually using an Apple device before spouting your utter crap.

I have plenty. The iPhone can't even listen to music anymore without having
to buy crutches or to be online full-time - which works OK only in the
developed world where full-time Internet access is what Apple banks upon.

Without full-time Internet, the iPhone essentially turns into a lump of
coal, which is why Android is overtaking iPhone sales in leaps & bounds.

Paradoxically, you missed my observation that by forcing iPhones to start
working in the real world, the EU is probably going to increase iOS sales.

On 2024-01-17 16:44, Andrew wrote:
> Your Name wrote on Thu, 18 Jan 2024 10:31:33 +1300 :
>
>> Apple devices do not *need* the internet to work either. :-\
>
> Apples designs the iPhone to require crutches to work in the real world.
> (The "real world" here being defined as outside the industrialized world.)
>
> What you didn't understand is the rest of the world doesn't have full-time
> access to Apple's online servers without which Apple devices fail to work.
>
>> Try actually using an Apple device before spouting your utter crap.
>
> I have plenty. The iPhone can't even listen to music anymore without having
> to buy crutches or to be online full-time - which works OK only in the
> developed world where full-time Internet access is what Apple banks upon.

Funny - I have hundreds of albums on my iPhone that play fine w/o
needing a connection to the internet.

> Without full-time Internet, the iPhone essentially turns into a lump of
> coal, which is why Android is overtaking iPhone sales in leaps & bounds.

For tiny leaps and short bounds (if at all) - and this would be (as
usual) a cyclical thing.

> Paradoxically, you missed my observation that by forcing iPhones to start
> working in the real world, the EU is probably going to increase iOS sales.

It's going to increase malware from sideloads, there's that.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:40:59 -0500 :

> Total nonsense.

You missed the point that the reason Android is overtaking iPhone sales in
leaps and bounds is because the non-developed world can't afford all the
crutches that Apple designed the iPhone to require just to work right.

> iPhone does not need the internet to work anymore than Android does.

Wrong.

The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to start working.
Android doesn't require anything.

> Of course, as portable information devices they are both useless w/o it.

Wrong.

The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to install apps.
Android doesn't require anything.

> At least map data can be downloaded (on both) so navigation works.

This is the only thing you got right, given navigation is about the same
other than the iPhone is drastically limited in the number of offline apps.

The iPhone will always have fewer choices for offline apps than Android.

This is one reason the real world (outside the industrial nations) is bying
Android like hotcakse - and why Apple's worldwide market share plummeted.

> And music.
>
> And video.
>
> And ...

The fact the iPhone requires expensive crutches for music & video is one
reason why HarmonyOS is quickly overtaking the plummeting iPhone sales.
> So, this myth of yours dies another death.

It's interesting you actually believe in the myth that Android requires the
iCloud (or similar) account - when it's only you who believes that myth.

And it's interesting you believe in the myth that Android requires a
specific app store login, when that's another myth that only you believe.

It's only iOS that requires those crutches just to work.
Not Android.

That you're only defense that Apple designed the iPhone to not work well in
the developing world (because it needs expensive crutches just to work) is
why you don't understand why the iPhone market share is quickly plummeting.

Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:50:52 -0500 :

> Funny - I have hundreds of albums on my iPhone that play fine w/o
> needing a connection to the internet.

How well do they play over those 3.5 mm wired headphones the rest of the
world typically uses (outside the extremely rich industrialized nations)?
>> Without full-time Internet, the iPhone essentially turns into a lump of
>> coal, which is why Android is overtaking iPhone sales in leaps & bounds.
>
> For tiny leaps and short bounds (if at all) - and this would be (as
> usual) a cyclical thing.

It's not reasonable for you to portray plummeting from 22% to 16% as tiny.

>> Paradoxically, you missed my observation that by forcing iPhones to start
>> working in the real world, the EU is probably going to increase iOS sales.
>
> It's going to increase malware from sideloads, there's that.

If it's not because iPhones only work well in the developed world, why do
/you/ think Apple's worldwide iPhone sales have plummeted from 22% to 16%?

On 2024-01-17 16:55, Andrew wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:40:59 -0500 :
>
>> Total nonsense.
>
> You missed the point that the reason Android is overtaking iPhone sales in
> leaps and bounds is because the non-developed world can't afford all the
> crutches that Apple designed the iPhone to require just to work right.
>
>> iPhone does not need the internet to work anymore than Android does.
>
> Wrong.
>
> The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to start working.
> Android doesn't require anything.

Wrong yourself. A new iPhone out of the box works. Can do e-mail,
messages, surf the web, whatever its installed apps do, w/o contacting
Apple at all.

>> Of course, as portable information devices they are both useless w/o it.
>
> Wrong.
>
> The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to install apps.
> Android doesn't require anything.

True enough - the App DL is curated by Apple - and Apple have
sophisticated tools to detect malware in apps before they get close to
users.

That's a great thing. Damned near essential, alas.

>
>> At least map data can be downloaded (on both) so navigation works.
>
> This is the only thing you got right, given navigation is about the same
> other than the iPhone is drastically limited in the number of offline apps.

Not at all. Again you fail. Many, many apps connect to non Apple
servers to be used and one does not need to be logged in to Apple to use
those apps.

>
> The iPhone will always have fewer choices for offline apps than Android.
>
> This is one reason the real world (outside the industrial nations) is bying
> Android like hotcakse - and why Apple's worldwide market share plummeted.

They have not "plummeted". It's cyclical - and Apple (and others) are
still bummed over the Covid cycle.

Since smartphones (Apple, Android) do not really improve much year to
year, people are keeping them longer and longer and longer. And of
course the Chinese government is urging Chinese buyers towards Chinese
brands. That of course will bite into Apple's sales.

>
>> And music.
>>
>> And video.
>>
>> And ...
>
> The fact the iPhone requires expensive crutches for music & video is one
> reason why HarmonyOS is quickly overtaking the plummeting iPhone sales.

Apple requires no crutches of any kind to play music and video.

None.

>
>> So, this myth of yours dies another death.
>
> It's interesting you actually believe in the myth that Android requires the
> iCloud (or similar) account - when it's only you who believes that myth.

I never said that. At all. You off your meds? (Again?).

>
> And it's interesting you believe in the myth that Android requires a
> specific app store login, when that's another myth that only you believe.

I never said that. At all. You off your meds? (Again?).

>
> It's only iOS that requires those crutches just to work.
> Not Android.

Not at all true. You're just myth making. Again.

>
> That you're only defense that Apple designed the iPhone to not work well in
> the developing world (because it needs expensive crutches just to work) is
> why you don't understand why the iPhone market share is quickly plummeting.

If "developing" world is your last refuge, well, I do hope you're
vaccinated against the many parasitical, viral and bacterial hazards ....

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2024-01-17 17:05, Andrew wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 16:50:52 -0500 :
>
>> Funny - I have hundreds of albums on my iPhone that play fine w/o
>> needing a connection to the internet.
>
> How well do they play over those 3.5 mm wired headphones the rest of the
> world typically uses (outside the extremely rich industrialized nations)?

With the adaptor Apple gave me? Fine. With the lightning headphone set
Apple gave me? Fine.

With Bluetooth earbuds (several brands other than Apple and Apple): GREAT!

>
>>> Without full-time Internet, the iPhone essentially turns into a lump of
>>> coal, which is why Android is overtaking iPhone sales in leaps & bounds.
>>
>> For tiny leaps and short bounds (if at all) - and this would be (as
>> usual) a cyclical thing.
>
> It's not reasonable for you to portray plummeting from 22% to 16% as tiny.

It's reasonable for you to cherry pick your numbers (par!).

>
>>> Paradoxically, you missed my observation that by forcing iPhones to start
>>> working in the real world, the EU is probably going to increase iOS sales.
>>
>> It's going to increase malware from sideloads, there's that.
>
> If it's not because iPhones only work well in the developed world, why do
> /you/ think Apple's worldwide iPhone sales have plummeted from 22% to 16%?

You can't have your argument both ways - when Euoropeans begin
side-loading apps there will be a surge in malware. Cheer it on - that
is so you.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 19:26:27 -0500 :

>> The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to start working.
>> Android doesn't require anything.
>
> Wrong yourself. A new iPhone out of the box works.

No. You're wrong. A new iPhone does /NOT/ work out of the box.
Not if you don't jailbreak it anyway.

Android works out of the box. No Internet account is ever needed.
The only "account" you need is the carrier has to provide a working SIM.

An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.

For now, we'll lump all those separate accounts into a single account
since they're really separate but all usually have the same Apple ID.

Without all those accounts, everything you like about the iPhone breaks.

Which is a reason the iPhone is drastically losing worldwide market share.

The iPhone is basically a dumb terminal which requires constant net access.
Without that constant net access, the iPhone is like a terminal blinking.

> Can do e-mail, messages, surf the web, whatever its installed apps do,
> w/o contacting Apple at all.

It's odd that your entire argument is that Apple iPhones don't require the
account(s) [it's plural but let's not go there] that iPhones do require.

>>> Of course, as portable information devices they are both useless w/o it.
>>
>> Wrong.
>>
>> The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to install apps.
>> Android doesn't require anything.
>
> True enough - the App DL is curated by Apple - and Apple have
> sophisticated tools to detect malware in apps before they get close to
> users.
>
> That's a great thing. Damned near essential, alas.

Your entire argument was, literally: "Apple doesn't do what Apple does".
And now, your argument is the exact opposite? "Apple does what it does".

You're so desperate to deny iPhones require Apple accounts that in one
breath you say they don't require accounts & in the other you say they do.

>>> At least map data can be downloaded (on both) so navigation works.
>>
>> This is the only thing you got right, given navigation is about the same
>> other than the iPhone is drastically limited in the number of offline apps.
>
> Not at all. Again you fail.

You're the one denying in one breath that iPhones require accounts just to
do basic things (like add apps) and then in the very next breath you say
that you like the iPhone requirement for an Apple account to add apps.

> Many, many apps connect to non Apple servers to be used and one does
> not need to be logged in to Apple to use those apps.

What's strange about people like you is you are trying to claim you put
those "many, many apps" on the phone WITHOUT logging into Apple servers.

Do you even realize that your entire argument hinges on the impossible?

>> The iPhone will always have fewer choices for offline apps than Android.
>>
>> This is one reason the real world (outside the industrial nations) is bying
>> Android like hotcakse - and why Apple's worldwide market share plummeted.
>
> They have not "plummeted".

What do you want me to call going from 22% to 16% of the world market then?

> It's cyclical - and Apple (and others) are still bummed over the Covid cycle.

You are a strange person because your desperate excuse for why iPhone sales
have plummeted requires Covid to only affect Apple sales. Not Android.

What's your rationale for Covid only affecting Apple but not Android sales?

> Since smartphones (Apple, Android) do not really improve much year to
> year, people are keeping them longer and longer and longer. And of
> course the Chinese government is urging Chinese buyers towards Chinese
> brands. That of course will bite into Apple's sales.

While you are correct that Apple is losing to both Android & to HarmonyOS,
the real loss is to Android which has risen to 81% of the world market.

What you need to think about is /why/ iPhone sales have been plummeting.

>> The fact the iPhone requires expensive crutches for music & video is one
>> reason why HarmonyOS is quickly overtaking the plummeting iPhone sales.
>
> Apple requires no crutches of any kind to play music and video.
> None.

If I take any recent iPhone and plug in the wired headphones to listen to
media, where's the missing port that is on most worldwide Android sales?

Oh wait. I need to buy another device. A crutch. Just to listen to media
on the bus or plane so that everyone else doesn't have to hear the speaker.

What you don't understand is Apple purposefully designs the iPhone to not
work without these crutches - which is fine for rich developed countries.

But most of the world isn't so rich that they can afford numerous crutches
just to get the iPhone to do what every other phone already easily does.

That's why iPhone sales have plummeted.

People in less-developed areas don't have the money to waste that an iPhone
requires just to make it do basic things like quietly listen to media.

>>> So, this myth of yours dies another death.
>>
>> It's interesting you actually believe in the myth that Android requires the
>> iCloud (or similar) account - when it's only you who believes that myth.
>
> I never said that. At all. You off your meds? (Again?).

Read what you wrote. You said in one breath that the iPhone has apps that
don't require accounts and then in the next breath you said that the
requirement for an account to install those apps is something you like.

You're so desperate to deny what Apple is that your arguments are
inconsistent - and then when that's pointed out - you fall back to your
normal self by attacking the person simply for stating what /you/ said.

>> And it's interesting you believe in the myth that Android requires a
>> specific app store login, when that's another myth that only you believe.
>
> I never said that. At all. You off your meds? (Again?).

Again and again, you attack me every time I point out you desperate
arguments say in one breath that Apple accounts aren't required and then in
the next breath you state you like that those accounts are required.

>> It's only iOS that requires those crutches just to work.
>> Not Android.
>
> Not at all true. You're just myth making. Again.

Android doesn't require any account to install apps.
The iPhone does.

Does it occur to you that the reason for attacking me is you're desperate
to prove to /yourself/ that Apple isn't what you know Apple clearly is?

>> That you're only defense that Apple designed the iPhone to not work well in
>> the developing world (because it needs expensive crutches just to work) is
>> why you don't understand why the iPhone market share is quickly plummeting.
>
> If "developing" world is your last refuge, well, I do hope you're
> vaccinated against the many parasitical, viral and bacterial hazards ....

I wonder if you even realize that the reason you attack me is that you
despise what Apple is and therefore you are trying to prove to /yourself/
that Apple isn't what you already said that you know Apple clearly is.

There's a reason worldwide Apple iPhone sales are plummeting compared to
Android (which has 81% of the world market of smartphone sales).

And no, it's not that only Apple iPhones were affected by Covid...

On 18/01/2024 at 08:59, Andrew wrote:
> An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
> It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.

I don't know about that. I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
it. It is not connected to any Apple accounts. It works.

--
Wilf

Wilf wrote on Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:59:53 +0000 :

>> An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
>> It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.
>
> I don't know about that. I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
> it. It is not connected to any Apple accounts. It works.

How do you install apps on that iPhone without the Apple App Store login?

On 2024-01-18 04:59, Wilf wrote:
> On 18/01/2024 at 08:59, Andrew wrote:
>> An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
>> It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.
>
> I don't know about that.  I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
> it.  It is not connected to any Apple accounts.  It works.

It is desperately spreading lies and doubling down on them.
It has been told and has been shown proof, but it continues to spout
this lie.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:21:59 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> It has been told

What grade are you Apple nutjobs in?

On 2024-01-18 09:05, Bill Powell wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:21:59 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> It has been told
>
> What grade are you Apple nutjobs in?

Not sure who you're referring to, however I was referring to the troll
that incessantly repeats the same lies, myths and nonsense despite
repeatedly being shown the facts. It is a thing that cannot or will not
learn. It is an it. It's only talents are to change its name from time
to time to duck filters and to repeat the same nonsense.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2024-01-18 09:21, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2024-01-18 09:05, Bill Powell wrote:
>> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:21:59 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
>>
>>> It has been told
>>
>> What grade are you Apple nutjobs in?
>
> Not sure who you're referring to, however I was referring to the troll
> that incessantly repeats the same lies, myths and nonsense despite
> repeatedly being shown the facts.  It is a thing that cannot or will not
> learn. It is an it.  It's only talents are to change its name from time

<grammar error> "its". Getting ahead of it.

> to time to duck filters and to repeat the same nonsense.

--
“Markets can remain irrational longer than your can remain solvent.”
- John Maynard Keynes.

On 2024-01-18, Wilf <wilf21@is.invalid> wrote:
> On 18/01/2024 at 08:59, Andrew wrote:
>>
>> An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple
>> accounts. It can't even be "initialized" without creating those
>> Apple accounts.
>
> I don't know about that. I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
> it. It is not connected to any Apple accounts. It works.

Plenty of us do, and have said so. Arlen doesn't care about factual
discourse - he just lies all of the time in desperate hope some gullible
dip shit will agree out of pure spite stemming from irrational hatred of
all things Apple.

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On 1/18/2024 1:59 AM, Wilf wrote:
> On 18/01/2024 at 08:59, Andrew wrote:
>> An iPhone doesn't work until you establish a series of Apple accounts.
>> It can't even be "initialized" without creating those Apple accounts.
>
> I don't know about that.  I have an old iPhone which has a payg sim in
> it.  It is not connected to any Apple accounts.  It works.

You're correct of course. I suspect that "Andrew" has never used an iPhone.

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On 2024-01-18, Bill Powell <bill@anarchists.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:21:59 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:
>
>> It has been told
>
> What grade are you Apple nutjobs in?

Slinging schoolyard insults while asking people what grade they are in
is peak irony.

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On 2024-01-18 00:59, Andrew wrote:
> Alan Browne wrote on Wed, 17 Jan 2024 19:26:27 -0500 :
>
>>> The iPhone requires an iCloud account just to start working.
>>> Android doesn't require anything.
>>
>> Wrong yourself. A new iPhone out of the box works.
>
> No. You're wrong. A new iPhone does /NOT/ work out of the box.
> Not if you don't jailbreak it anyway.

Simply incorrect.