On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 05:13:47 +1100, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
wrote:

> On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:
>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:
>>
>>> Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions. You
>>> can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
>>> alternatively
>>> spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps. Both options and
>>> everything in between are fine.
>> Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people want
>> that
>> you can't find an app for it that is both free and without
>> advertisements?
>
> Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
> one way or another.

That isnt true of google or facebook ot tiktok

> If one designs and polishes an app to the point that demand is high,
> there is no way there is anything wrong with compensation and profit
> from it.

But it makes sense to use something that doesnt cost
you anything when it does as good a job, and some do.

> That said I have dozens of apps (iPhone, Mac, iPad, Windows, Linux),
> etc. that were free to acquire and free to run and I use them frequently.

And there are some which don't even have any ads.

> To my shock my old VueScan license still works 20+ years after acquiring
> it 2 Macs ago. I paid around US$50 at the time (I don't recall exactly)
> for the pro version. I used this with various scanners from Minolta and
> Nikon as well as flatbeds to numerous to ... er, enumerate.

> US$120 ish (Pro) US$50 standard version; basic $20 or so.

> For all of you with aging scanner/printers, I urge you to get a VueScan
> license. The product is very good and the ongoing support for new and
> old scanners is incessant.

On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 05:13:47 +1100, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:
>>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:
>>>
>>>> Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions.
>>>> You can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
>>>> alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps.
>>>> Both options and everything in between are fine.
>>>
>>> Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people
>>> want that you can't find an app for it that is both free and
>>> without advertisements?
>>
>> Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
>> one way or another.
>
> That isnt true of google or facebook ot tiktok

He said "*most* useful", not "*least* useful".

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:50:43 +1100, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:

> On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 05:13:47 +1100, Alan Browne
>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions.
>>>>> You can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
>>>>> alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps.
>>>>> Both options and everything in between are fine.
>>>>
>>>> Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people
>>>> want that you can't find an app for it that is both free and
>>>> without advertisements?
>>>
>>> Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
>>> one way or another.
>>
>> That isnt true of google or facebook ot tiktok
>
> He said "*most* useful", not "*least* useful".

They are all very useful for me. Google and wikipedia in spades.

Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 23 Feb 2024 06:13:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You attack people here because you are jealous of them.
>
> Heh heh heh...
>
> Luckily, I don't take anything personally on Usenet, and even more
> importantly, I _study_ the strangeness that you and nospam are.
>
> For nospam, the way I understand him is I think of him being paid by Apple
> to refute everything possible that people say that is the truth about it.
>
> For you... I think of you differently, as I put you in the same category of
> Alan Baker, Snit and Alan Browne where you actually believe what you say.
>
> Alan Browne actually _believes_ there is no such thing as a walled garden.
> Snit actually _believes_ the iPhone graphs Wi-Fi signal strength over time.
> You, Jolly Roger, _believe_ you can extract old apps off the phone.
>
> None of you have the intelligence to comprehend the truth.
> Nor do any of you have the education you need to comprehend it.
>
> They go together, unfortunately for you.
> a. No education
> b. Lack of intelligence
>
> But there's a third piece that makes you nut jobs what you are.
> c. A fanatical adherence to the herd mentality
>
> I have assessed the reason you hate all the truths about Apple is because
> you bought the iPhone only because of a herd mentality advertised by Apple.
>
Oh look, dirtbag Arlen is jerking off with another sock puppet again. Still
to the left of the ridiculously fabled Dunning-Kruger curve as ever.

On 2024-02-24, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 23 Feb 2024 06:13:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> You attack people here because you are jealous of them.
>>
>> Heh heh heh...
>>
>> You, Jolly Roger, _believe_ you can extract old apps off the phone.
>>
> Oh look, dirtbag Arlen is jerking off with another sock puppet again.
> Still to the left of the ridiculously fabled Dunning-Kruger curve as
> ever.

And as always, he flat-out lies. I have never claimed you can "extract
old apps off the phone".

What I have said is that I have archives of every version of every app
installed on my Apple devices going back to 2008. And that's 100% true.
So I can easily install any app I have in my archive that has since been
pulled from the App Store on my Apple devices.

Arlen lies and mischaracterizes what others say because he doesn't argue
in good faith. He's an insincere clown.

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On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:50:43 +1100, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 05:13:47 +1100, Alan Browne
>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions.
>>>>>> You can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
>>>>>> alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps.
>>>>>> Both options and everything in between are fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people
>>>>> want that you can't find an app for it that is both free and
>>>>> without advertisements?
>>>>
>>>> Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
>>>> one way or another.
>>>
>>> That isnt true of google or facebook ot tiktok
>>
>> He said "*most* useful", not "*least* useful".
>
> They are all very useful for me. Google and wikipedia in spades.

That's nice...

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On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 13:21:49 +1100, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
wrote:

> On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 09:50:43 +1100, Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-02-23, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 05:13:47 +1100, Alan Browne
>>>> <bitbucket@blackhole.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2024-02-22 20:12, Mickey D wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Feb 2024 18:18:07 +0000, Chris wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Buying a phone and paying for apps are two different transactions.
>>>>>>> You can buy a cheap android and then spend hundreds on apps or
>>>>>>> alternatively spend hundreds on a phone and not pay for any apps.
>>>>>>> Both options and everything in between are fine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there ever a useful app functionality that you and most people
>>>>>> want that you can't find an app for it that is both free and
>>>>>> without advertisements?
>>>>>
>>>>> Like many things in life, the things most useful to you will cost you
>>>>> one way or another.
>>>>
>>>> That isnt true of google or facebook ot tiktok
>>>
>>> He said "*most* useful", not "*least* useful".
>>
>> They are all very useful for me. Google and wikipedia in spades.
>
> That's nice...

That's pathetic...

On 22 Feb 2024 20:15:55 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> I personally don't mind paying a reasonable price for an app but I
>> despise (and won't) rent an app.
>
> Same here.

I would pay for an app if there was no other app that did the job,
but there's always a FOSS app that does the job just fine without paying.

For example, these all allow an unlimited number of saved GPS tracks.
Almost all are open source which is where I get almost all my apps from.

FOSS GPS Logger by BasicAirData 4.3 star 2.37K reviews 100K+ Downloads free adfree
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.basicairdata.graziano.gpslogger

FOSS OpenTracks by Dennis Guse 4.0 star 53 reviews 500+ Downloads free adfree
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.dennisguse.opentracks.playstore
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.dennisguse.opentracks/
(it's payware on the google play store but open source freeware on F-Droid)

GPSLogger II - AIO by Matthias Marquardt 4.3 star 127 reviews 10K+ Downloads free adfree
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.emacberry.gpslogger

FOSS OSMTracker for Android by Laboratorio Experimental 3.8 star 228 reviews 50K+ Downloads free adfree
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.osmtracker

Geo Tracker - GPS tracker by Ilya Bogdanovich 4.6 star 88K reviews 5M+ Downloads free adfree inapp purchases
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ilyabogdanovich.geotracker

On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:45:00 -0500, Sten deJoode wrote:

> For example, these all allow an unlimited number of saved GPS tracks.
> Almost all are open source which is where I get almost all my apps from.

Oh wait. This is an iOS newsgroup. iIdiots pay through the nose for what
everyone else gets for free, as the iPhone ecosystem is designed that way.

a. The iPhone can't do thousands of things every other OS easily does
b. And when it can do something, even that is crippled (i.e., 5 tracks)

In order to get something as trivial as GPS tracks for free, they have to
limit themselves to five tracks at a time - which is simply ridiculous.

But for sheep led to slaughter, it's normal to have a hook in their nose.

On 2024-02-25, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2024 21:45:00 -0500, Sten deJoode wrote:
>
>> For example, these all allow an unlimited number of saved GPS tracks.
>> Almost all are open source which is where I get almost all my apps
>> from.
>
> Oh wait. This is an iOS newsgroup. iIdiots pay through the nose for
> what everyone else gets for free, as the iPhone ecosystem is designed
> that way.
>
> a. The iPhone can't do thousands of things every other OS easily does
> b. And when it can do something, even that is crippled (i.e., 5
> tracks)
>
> In order to get something as trivial as GPS tracks for free, they have
> to limit themselves to five tracks at a time - which is simply
> ridiculous.
>
> But for sheep led to slaughter, it's normal to have a hook in their
> nose.

You're so driven by your hatred of everything Apple, you don't bother to
fact check your lame lies before blabbing them. Here's the truth:

In order to get something as trivial as GPS tracks for free, all Apple
users have to do is a basic App Store search, which leads them to
several apps that do just that. Here's one called Open GPX Tracker:

<https://itunes.apple.com/app/open-gpx-tracker/id984503772>

It's opens source and free with time restrictions, no ads and no
in-app-purchases, and all data stays on your device:

<https://github.com/merlos/iOS-Open-GPX-Tracker>

Arlen loves to tout FOSS apps, and here is one such app that does
exactly what the OP wants, with 1005 privacy as well.

But reality won't stop Arlen (aka "Sten deJoode" and a slew of other
nyms) from shit posting, because shit posting is what he lives for. He
literally spends hours and hours every day nym switching and shit
posting in the Apple news groups, all because he has a tiny, little hate
boner for Apple. He's a pathetic loser.

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