On 2024-03-08 06:06, Wilf wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 at 22:49, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2024-03-07 04:08, Wilf wrote:
>>> On 06/03/2024 at 20:36, Cameo wrote:
>>>> I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
>>>> surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.
>>>
>>> I'm really excited about the lime emoji ;)
>>
>> Where this falls apart:
>>
>> I just sent a "lime" emoji as a test.  It shows up on my iMac (up to
>> date OS) as a lemon with a green square to the right.
>>
>> Since my SO (recipient of the test) has an iPhone 7, she won't get the
>> lime emoji either.
>>
>
> I was joking about the lime emoji, but seriously surprised that it
> doesn't get rendered properly on older machines.  I wonder how it will
> look on Android phones?   How do any Apple emojis look on other machines?

Emoji's are not transmitted as an image but as a code. (Same as
characters - the computer has to generate the font to be seen. And this
turns into a whole "thing" of its own with various fonts and extended
character sets and the saving grace of Unicode (UTF-8, etc)...).

Emoji's were a defacto thing when they first emerged. As such the code
for an emoji could render something unrelated on a different device it
it didn't adhere to the same "standard".

Eventually Emoji's were taken into Unicode. Yep. There is a committee
that manages the codes and what they're supposed to represent. Apple is
a member of Unicode as are the usual suspects and many more.

But, each co. (Apple, etc.) has to come up with scalable graphics for
each code for their own OS'. And then distribute that amongst it's OS
versions. Retro fitting this is practical only to the depth of standard
support. To boot, companies revise their emoji's over time (improve the
graphic somehow or add variation.

So to your last question, how the Apple sent emoji looks on, say, an
Android phone, is up to the Android OS that receives the emoji.

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On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
>
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>

You have to admit, after reading that description of the update, that Apple
coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they pine for most...

"This update introduces new emoji..."

It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly stupid.

On 7 Mar 2024 23:07:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

>> You probably get very excited when you see a few new emojis.
>
> Nope.
>
>> Some people don't.
>
> Most people don't. That doesn't mean the only things that change are
> emojis. Of course strange childish reactionaries who stop reading at the
> first hint of emojis won't know that. Their loss.

Apple clearly and obviously openly says you're wrong, Jolly Roger.

Apple knows what most of its customers care about, which is why the very
first sentence is "This update introduces new emoji..."

Apple knows how spectacularly childish its customer base is, so the first
"detailed" paragraph of what's new in this release is the following...
Emoji!
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard!
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them in either direction!"

Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
>>
>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
>
> You have to admit, after reading that description of the update, that Apple
> coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they pine for most...
>
> "This update introduces new emoji..."
>
> It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly stupid.
>
Fuck off Arlen and take your lapturd Mr Hankey the Xmas poo with you on the
way out the door.

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 23:48:59 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

>>> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
>>>
>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
>>
>> You have to admit, after reading that description of the update, that Apple
>> coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they pine for most...
>>
>> "This update introduces new emoji..."
>>
>> It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly stupid.
>>
> Fuck off

If you think Apple doesn't think the customer is stupid by advertising
first and foremost (as if it's a big deal) the 18 new emoji, what does
Apple's oft loud touting of "*NEW!*" yellow iPhones & emoji tell you?

Does it indicate to you that Apple thinks its customers make smart choices?

On 2024-03-08 16:25, Sten deJoode wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 23:48:59 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>
>>>> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
>>>>
>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
>>>
>>> You have to admit, after reading that description of the update, that Apple
>>> coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they pine for most...
>>>
>>> "This update introduces new emoji..."
>>>
>>> It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly stupid.
>>>
>> Fuck off
>
> If you think Apple doesn't think the customer is stupid by advertising
> first and foremost (as if it's a big deal) the 18 new emoji, what does
> Apple's oft loud touting of "*NEW!*" yellow iPhones & emoji tell you?

They didn't "advertise" it at all. A support note is not an advertisement.

And it isn't what they said "first and foremost":

'iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give
you new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a
new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view
from a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to
Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more.'

That is the entire first paragraph.

Can you point out where it says "emoji"?

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-08, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> Cameo wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on
>>>>>>>> the surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
>>>>>>> anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you can
>>>>>>> hope for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How
>>>>> many macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.
>>>>>
>>>> What exactly brings you here day in and day out?
>>>
>>> Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike something
>>> don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for that thing
>>> because they have better things to do with their time.
>>
>> Look who’s talking.
>
> Unlike you, I'm in the Apple newsgroups because I enjoy using their
> products. Go ahead and point to a single post from me in the Android
> newsgroups. We'll wait...
>

I don’t have an android either and I don’t post there either.

I do have an iPhone and an iPad. But I do not worship them.

Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-08 06:06, Wilf wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 at 22:49, Alan Browne wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-07 04:08, Wilf wrote:
>>>> On 06/03/2024 at 20:36, Cameo wrote:
>>>>> I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on the
>>>>> surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.
>>>>
>>>> I'm really excited about the lime emoji ;)
>>>
>>> Where this falls apart:
>>>
>>> I just sent a "lime" emoji as a test.  It shows up on my iMac (up to
>>> date OS) as a lemon with a green square to the right.
>>>
>>> Since my SO (recipient of the test) has an iPhone 7, she won't get the
>>> lime emoji either.
>>>
>>
>> I was joking about the lime emoji, but seriously surprised that it
>> doesn't get rendered properly on older machines.  I wonder how it will
>> look on Android phones?   How do any Apple emojis look on other machines?
>
> Emoji's are not transmitted as an image but as a code. (Same as
> characters - the computer has to generate the font to be seen. And this
> turns into a whole "thing" of its own with various fonts and extended
> character sets and the saving grace of Unicode (UTF-8, etc)...).
>
> Emoji's were a defacto thing when they first emerged. As such the code
> for an emoji could render something unrelated on a different device it
> it didn't adhere to the same "standard".
>
> Eventually Emoji's were taken into Unicode. Yep. There is a committee
> that manages the codes and what they're supposed to represent. Apple is
> a member of Unicode as are the usual suspects and many more.
>
> But, each co. (Apple, etc.) has to come up with scalable graphics for
> each code for their own OS'. And then distribute that amongst it's OS
> versions. Retro fitting this is practical only to the depth of standard
> support. To boot, companies revise their emoji's over time (improve the
> graphic somehow or add variation.

Yep. For example the gun emoji 🔫 was changed to a water pistol on Apple
devices from an actual handgun.

> So to your last question, how the Apple sent emoji looks on, say, an
> Android phone, is up to the Android OS that receives the emoji.
>

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:55:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

>> But, each co. (Apple, etc.) has to come up with scalable graphics for
>> each code for their own OS'. And then distribute that amongst it's OS
>> versions. Retro fitting this is practical only to the depth of standard
>> support. To boot, companies revise their emoji's over time (improve the
>> graphic somehow or add variation.
>
> Yep. For example the gun emoji was changed to a water pistol on Apple
> devices from an actual handgun.

I was unaware that the emoji are characters (in transmission) and then are
rendered on the device as per how the messaging app renders them, so thanks
for that information.

Does it also apply to those things they call "stickers" too?

On 2024-03-09, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-08 16:25, Sten deJoode wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 23:48:59 +0000, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>
>>>>> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
>>>>
>>>> You have to admit, after reading that description of the update,
>>>> that Apple coders are hard at work giving Apple customers what they
>>>> pine for most...
>>>>
>>>> "This update introduces new emoji..."
>>>>
>>>> It shows clearly that Apple thinks its own customer is incredibly
>>>> stupid.
>>>>
>>> Fuck off
>>
>> If you think Apple doesn't think the customer is stupid by
>> advertising first and foremost (as if it's a big deal) the 18 new
>> emoji, what does Apple's oft loud touting of "*NEW!*" yellow iPhones
>> & emoji tell you?
>
> They didn't "advertise" it at all. A support note is not an
> advertisement.
>
> And it isn't what they said "first and foremost":
>
> 'iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give
> you new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers
> a new full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to
> view from a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging.
> AirDrop makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and
> adds NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make
> entering text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes
> updates to Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more.'
>
> That is the entire first paragraph.
>
> Can you point out where it says "emoji"?

You're supposed to skim *past* that and go directly to "emojis",
because: troll.

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On 2024-03-08, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 7 Mar 2024 23:07:18 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> You probably get very excited when you see a few new emojis.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> Some people don't.
>>
>> Most people don't. That doesn't mean the only things that change are
>> emojis. Of course strange childish reactionaries who stop reading at
>> the first hint of emojis won't know that. Their loss.
>
> Apple clearly and obviously openly says you're wrong, Jolly Roger.
>
> Apple knows what most of its customers care about, which is why the
> very first sentence is "This update introduces new emoji..."

Actually, the first paragraph on the page doesn't even mention emoji:

--- About iOS 17 Updates

iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give you
new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a new
full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view from
a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to
Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more. ---

> Apple knows how spectacularly childish its customer base is

Your schoolyard insults are juvenile and boring, Arlen.

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On 2024-03-09, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-08, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Cameo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on
>>>>>>>>> the surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
>>>>>>>> anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you
>>>>>>>> can hope for.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How
>>>>>> many macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.
>>>>>>
>>>>> What exactly brings you here day in and day out?
>>>>
>>>> Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike
>>>> something don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for
>>>> that thing because they have better things to do with their time.
>>>
>>> Look who’s talking.
>>
>> Unlike you, I'm in the Apple newsgroups because I enjoy using their
>> products. Go ahead and point to a single post from me in the Android
>> newsgroups. We'll wait...
>>
>
> I don’t have an android either and I don’t post there either.
>
> I do have an iPhone and an iPad. But I do not worship them.

TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and boring.
Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.

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On 2024-03-09 12:05, Gelato wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 10:55:01 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
>>> But, each co. (Apple, etc.) has to come up with scalable graphics for
>>> each code for their own OS'. And then distribute that amongst it's OS
>>> versions. Retro fitting this is practical only to the depth of standard
>>> support. To boot, companies revise their emoji's over time (improve the
>>> graphic somehow or add variation.
>>
>> Yep. For example the gun emoji was changed to a water pistol on Apple
>> devices from an actual handgun.
>
> I was unaware that the emoji are characters (in transmission) and then are
> rendered on the device as per how the messaging app renders them, so thanks
> for that information.
>
> Does it also apply to those things they call "stickers" too?

Stickers are an "Apple" thing as far as I know. How they're encoded, I
don't know, but would be surprised if the scheme is not similar to emoji.
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On 9 Mar 2024 17:31:29 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> You're supposed to skim *past* that and go directly to "emojis"

Idiots.

I don't see what you responded to, but YOUR OWN CITE starts off with
emojis, so for you to claim that it doesn't shows you didn't read it.
On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>\

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.
People like you are the reason Apple thinks its loyal customers are stupid.

On 9 Mar 2024 17:34:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Actually, the first paragraph on the page doesn't even mention emoji:

Read your own cite, Jolly Roger.

On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
> <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>\

"iOS 17.4
This update introduces new emoji...
Emoji
New mushroom, phoenix, lime, broken chain, and shaking heads emoji
are now available in the emoji keyboard
18 people and body emoji add the option to face them
in either direction"

That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.
People like you are the reason Apple thinks its loyal customers are stupid.

Otherwise Apple wouldn't make childish emoji the main feature in the
release (along with the color of the phone being more important than
anything else).

iPhones sell to children
Apple knows this

Apple sells iPhones to children
That's why emoji are their major focus

On 9 Mar 2024 17:36:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:

> TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
> emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and boring.
> Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.

I have studied you, Jolly Roger, because you're such a strange person.
You worship Apple. You worship EVERYTHING about Apple Jolly Roger.

You worship Apple much like any religious nutcase worships their God.
That's why you hate anyone who says anything about Apple you don't like.

You're no different than any other religious nutcase, Jolly Roger.
It's us and them to you.

Sten deJoode wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2024 17:36:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
>> emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and boring.
>> Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.
>
> I have studied you, Jolly Roger, because you're such a strange person.
> You worship Apple. You worship EVERYTHING about Apple Jolly Roger.
>
> You worship Apple much like any religious nutcase worships their God.
> That's why you hate anyone who says anything about Apple you don't like.
>
> You're no different than any other religious nutcase, Jolly Roger.
> It's us and them to you.
>

He's a nutcase for sure, but I'll tell you, whether you are arlen or not: I
have several apple devices. I like them and use them daily. I do not
worship them, and I won't commit suicide waiting for the apple spaceship.
I'm just a user, and I haven't drank the coolaide, but I'm aware the potion
exists.

But, if you are indeed arlen, you have the reverse mental disease that
plagues the apple cult members. No hope for either of you.

You're all fucked

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 17:32:27 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

> I have several apple devices. I like them and use them daily.

I probably have more Apple devices than you do.
What does that prove?

You can own an Apple device and not worship Apple like a God.
Or you can own an Apple device and worship Apple like a God.

Jolly Roger is the latter.
That's all I was saying.

You're normal. He's not.

Sten deJoode wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 17:32:27 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:
>
>> I have several apple devices. I like them and use them daily.
>
> I probably have more Apple devices than you do.
> What does that prove?
>
> You can own an Apple device and not worship Apple like a God.
> Or you can own an Apple device and worship Apple like a God.
>
> Jolly Roger is the latter.
> That's all I was saying.
>
> You're normal. He's not.
>

Yeah, I have an SE2 telephone which works OK. And an Ipad gen 9 which works
pretty well. They are tools, and no need to worship or fanatically defend
the company that had them made in china and sold them to me.

I have a Hamilton beach electric can opener too, but it never occurred to
me that I should defend that company if anyone said anything about them,
good or bad.

It's fucking crazy. Downright psychotic.

But, say, have you seen old nospam lately? he used to be the most rabid of
the cult members here, but I haven't seen him lately. I hope he's OK and
didn't have a stroke.

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 19:17:35 -0600, Hank Rogers wrote:

> I have a Hamilton beach electric can opener too, but it never occurred to
> me that I should defend that company if anyone said anything about them,
> good or bad.

Likewise, I have an old IBM Thinkpad and a less old IBM Lenovo Thinkpad but
I don't defend IBM (or Lenovo) every time someone says something about them
that I don't happen to like.

But that's not Jolly Roger.
Jolly Roger is a cultist.
Cultists are strange people.

I don't claim that IBM can do no wrong, as Jolly Roger does about Apple.
I don't make up absurd excuses for everything IBM does that's wrong either.

Jolly Roger would defend IBM (or Lenovo) to the point of absurdity,
claiming they should never be sued & when they are, that every lawsuit is
baseless - simply because Jolly Roger doesn't like IBM being sued.

And, if it happens to be the case that IBM settled these lawsuits from just
about everyone on the planet for about a billion dollars, Jolly Roger would
say it was every attorneys general and every prosecutor and every lawyer
out to get his God-like IBM (or Lenovo) company that he worships daily.

Since IBM would settle without admitting guilt, then surely they were
completely innocent and all these customer focused people are simply out to
get IBM, his reverred God.

It's the same thing all religious fundamentalists do, and it's why you saw
Protestants killing Catholics and Shia Muslims killing Sunni Muslims, etc.

It's us versus them in Jolly Roger's strange cultist mind.
Anyone who doesn't revere his God is immediately a threat and an enemy.

There's a reason for this, by the way.
If you want to know *why* Jolly Roger is that way, just ask.

Otherwise we can leave this at simply agreeing Jolly Roger is a classic
Apple-can-do-no-wrong religious cultist believer to the core.

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-09, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-08, Hank Rogers <invalid@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-03-07, *Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-07, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Cameo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've just got my iPhone 15 Pro Max updated to iOS 17.4, but on
>>>>>>>>>> the surface I don't see any changes. Maybe they are deeper.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probably just a few new emoticons. Apple updates rarely have
>>>>>>>>> anything useful. A little fluff and bullshit is the most you
>>>>>>>>> can hope for.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Trolling is literally all you do here. You're boring.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, I just haven't been inducted into the apple cult yet. How
>>>>>>> many macs do you own? I think I need to get a few.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What exactly brings you here day in and day out?
>>>>>
>>>>> Trolling. Pretty pathetic behavior. Most adults who dislike
>>>>> something don't spend hours and hours every day trolling forums for
>>>>> that thing because they have better things to do with their time.
>>>>
>>>> Look who’s talking.
>>>
>>> Unlike you, I'm in the Apple newsgroups because I enjoy using their
>>> products. Go ahead and point to a single post from me in the Android
>>> newsgroups. We'll wait...
>>>
>>
>> I don’t have an android either and I don’t post there either.
>>
>> I do have an iPhone and an iPad. But I do not worship them.
>
> TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
> emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and boring.
> Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.
>
Hankeypoo carries Arlen’s sock drawer for him. Whether he washes the socks
after the deeds or rolls around on them in submissive obeisance is beside
the point.

On 2024-03-09, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2024 17:31:29 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> You're supposed to skim *past* that and go directly to "emojis"
>
> Idiots.
>
> I don't see what you responded to, but YOUR OWN CITE starts off with
> emojis, so for you to claim that it doesn't shows you didn't read it.

LOL... This is literally the first paragraph on the page:

<https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>
---
About iOS 17 Updates

iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give you
new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a new
full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view from
a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to
Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more.
---

You're a fool.

> That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.

Projection from a loser troll.

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On 2024-03-09, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2024 17:34:19 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>> Actually, the first paragraph on the page doesn't even mention emoji:
>
> Read your own cite, Jolly Roger.
>
> On 6 Mar 2024 21:06:17 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > As usual, you can read about the changes on Apple's website:
> > <https://support.apple.com/en-us/109043>\

I have, and this is the first paragraph on the page:

---
About iOS 17 Updates

iOS 17 brings big updates to Phone, Messages, and FaceTime that give you
new ways to express yourself as you communicate. StandBy delivers a new
full-screen experience with glanceable information designed to view from
a distance when you turn iPhone on its side while charging. AirDrop
makes it easier to share and connect with those around you and adds
NameDrop for contact sharing. Enhancements to the keyboard make entering
text faster and easier than ever before. iOS 17 also includes updates to
Widgets, Safari, Music, AirPlay, and more.
---

> That you didn't read your own cite shows how ignorant you really are.

Projection.

> People like you
> childish emoji
> color of the phone being more important than anything else
> iPhones sell to children
> Apple sells iPhones to children
> emoji

Juvenile schoolyard insults are all you have. You're a bore of a troll.

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On 2024-03-09, Sten deJoode <StendeJood@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 9 Mar 2024 17:36:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
>> emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and
>> boring. Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.
>
> I have studied you, Jolly Roger, because you're such a strange person.
> You worship Apple. You worship EVERYTHING about Apple Jolly Roger.
>
> You worship Apple much like any religious nutcase worships their God.
> That's why you hate anyone who says anything about Apple you don't
> like.
>
> You're no different than any other religious nutcase, Jolly Roger.
> It's us and them to you.

Adults will note that like a child, little Arlen doesn't address the
fact that iOS updates do indeed contain more than "just a few new
emojis" and thinks repeating that lie strengthens it.

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On 2024-03-09, Hank Rogers <Hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Sten deJoode wrote:
>> On 9 Mar 2024 17:36:09 GMT, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> TIL recognizing that iOS updates contain more than "just a few new
>>> emoticons" is "worship". Your juvenile trolls are both weak and
>>> boring. Find a better hobby. This one is pathetic.
>>
>> I have studied you, Jolly Roger, because you're such a strange
>> person. You worship Apple. You worship EVERYTHING about Apple Jolly
>> Roger.
>>
>> You worship Apple much like any religious nutcase worships their God.
>> That's why you hate anyone who says anything about Apple you don't
>> like.
>>
>> You're no different than any other religious nutcase, Jolly Roger.
>> It's us and them to you.
>
> He's a nutcase

So say the loser trolls who have raging little hate boners for a company
that causes them to become so upset that they hang around the Apple news
groups 24/7 telling outright lies claiming iOS updates don't contain
anything useful - even long after they are proven wrong. 🤣

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