On 2024-02-26 15:51, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-02-23 09:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 21.02.24 19:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-21 07:17, Jorg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> On 21.02.24 05:00, HenHanna wrote:
>
>>>>>> is Usenet making a comeback? -- (3 Signs of growth)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3 Signs of growth:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are indications of renewed interest in Usenet in recent years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is attributed to several factors, including:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) Disillusionment with mainstream social media: Users seeking
>>>>>> more privacy and less censorship might find Usenet appealing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) Niche appeal: Usenet thrives in specific areas like file
>>>>>> sharing and technical discussions due to its decentralized nature and
>>>>>> large historical archive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (3) Improved accessibility: Modern Usenet providers offer
>>>>>> user-friendly interfaces and easier access compared to the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are completely OT in this group.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Excessive X-posting deleted)
>>>>
>>>> And thus it is possible he doesn't see your reply.
>>>
>>> How stupid is it to post in more than one group and not subscribing to
>>> all of them? That would justify the deletion even more. Next time
>>> killfiling is an option.
>>
>> I may have subscribed all those groups, or not, yet read a particular
>> thread only in one.
>>
>> By deleting some groups of a reply you risk that some people may not see
>> your reply. It is not polite.
>
> If you want to be polite, then post on topic into a newsgroup.
>
> It's rude to crosspost into a newsgroup you don't read, even in
> followup. Crossposting, more often than not, is a troll.
>
> If your followup is not on topic in each of the newsgroups in the
> crosspost, then cut the crosspost without setting Followup-To. Remember
> being taught when you were a Usenet newbie to read a newsgroup for a
> while to become familiar with what's being discussed before posting to
> it? That's especially true of crossposting.

That's for the OP to decide, not us.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-02-26 16:15, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 26.02.24 um 13:34 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-02-23 09:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> How stupid is it to post in more than one group and not subscribing to
>>> all of them? That would justify the deletion even more. Next time
>>> killfiling is an option.
>>
>> I may have subscribed all those groups, or not, yet read a particular
>> thread only in one.
>>
>> By deleting some groups of a reply you risk that some people may not see
>> your reply. It is not polite.
>
> X-posting is impolite to the highest degree!
> Only Trolls and beginners do that. The absolute minimum is to announce
> X-postings.
>
> I answer usually only in subscribed group(s).

By answering only in the groups _you_ read you cause problems to _me_,
which is impolite.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 26.02.24 16:29, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2024-02-26 15:51, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-02-23 09:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 21.02.24 19:59, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-02-21 07:17, Jorg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>> On 21.02.24 05:00, HenHanna wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> is Usenet making a comeback? -- (3 Signs of growth)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3 Signs of growth:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are indications of renewed interest in Usenet in recent years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is attributed to several factors, including:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) Disillusionment with mainstream social media: Users seeking
>>>>>>> more privacy and less censorship might find Usenet appealing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) Niche appeal: Usenet thrives in specific areas like file
>>>>>>> sharing and technical discussions due to its decentralized nature and
>>>>>>> large historical archive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (3) Improved accessibility: Modern Usenet providers offer
>>>>>>> user-friendly interfaces and easier access compared to the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are completely OT in this group.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (Excessive X-posting deleted)
>>>>>
>>>>> And thus it is possible he doesn't see your reply.
>>>>
>>>> How stupid is it to post in more than one group and not subscribing to
>>>> all of them? That would justify the deletion even more. Next time
>>>> killfiling is an option.
>>>
>>> I may have subscribed all those groups, or not, yet read a particular
>>> thread only in one.
>>>
>>> By deleting some groups of a reply you risk that some people may not see
>>> your reply. It is not polite.
>>
>> If you want to be polite, then post on topic into a newsgroup.
>>
>> It's rude to crosspost into a newsgroup you don't read, even in
>> followup. Crossposting, more often than not, is a troll.
>>
>> If your followup is not on topic in each of the newsgroups in the
>> crosspost, then cut the crosspost without setting Followup-To. Remember
>> being taught when you were a Usenet newbie to read a newsgroup for a
>> while to become familiar with what's being discussed before posting to
>> it? That's especially true of crossposting.
>
>
> That's for the OP to decide, not us.

That is always everyone's own decision but the consequences can be dire
if someone does not stick to the accepted rules.

--
"Manus manum lavat."

On 2024-02-26 17:29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> On 26.02.24 16:31, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-02-26 16:15, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 26.02.24 um 13:34 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>> On 2024-02-23 09:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> How stupid is it to post in more than one group and not subscribing to
>>>>> all of them? That would justify the deletion even more. Next time
>>>>> killfiling is an option.
>>>>
>>>> I may have subscribed all those groups, or not, yet read a particular
>>>> thread only in one.
>>>>
>>>> By deleting some groups of a reply you risk that some people may not see
>>>> your reply. It is not polite.
>>>
>>> X-posting is impolite to the highest degree!
>>> Only Trolls and beginners do that. The absolute minimum is to announce
>>> X-postings.
>>>
>>> I answer usually only in subscribed group(s).
>>
>> By answering only in the groups _you_ read you cause problems to _me_,
>> which is impolite.
>
> How could I ever know that? Sorry that is utter nonsense.

Because we have told you more than once.

>
> X-posts deleted

Reinstated.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:15:28 +0100, Jorg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>Am 26.02.24 um 13:34 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-02-23 09:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> How stupid is it to post in more than one group and not subscribing to
>>> all of them? That would justify the deletion even more. Next time
>>> killfiling is an option.
>>
>> I may have subscribed all those groups, or not, yet read a particular
>> thread only in one.
>> By deleting some groups of a reply you risk that some people may not see
>> your reply. It is not polite.
>
>X-posting is impolite to the highest degree!
>Only Trolls and beginners do that. The absolute minimum is to announce
>X-postings.
>I answer usually only in subscribed group(s).

anyone crossposting is probably already subscribed to each of those
newsgroup(s) so they can see any non-crossposted replies within any
of those groups; it's common netiquette to omit cross-posted groups
from replies, so anyone crossposting that would complain about this
routine of cutting crossposts probably has some unscrupulous agenda

D <J@M> Wrote in message:

> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:15:28 +0100, Jorg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>Am 26.02.24 um 13:34 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> On 2024-02-23 09:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> How stupid is it to post in more than one group and not subscribing to
>>>> all of them? That would justify the deletion even more. Next time
>>>> killfiling is an option.
>>>
>>> I may have subscribed all those groups, or not, yet read a particular
>>> thread only in one.
>>> By deleting some groups of a reply you risk that some people may not see
>>> your reply. It is not polite.
>>
>>X-posting is impolite to the highest degree!
>>Only Trolls and beginners do that. The absolute minimum is to announce
>>X-postings.
>>I answer usually only in subscribed group(s).
>
> anyone crossposting is probably already subscribed to each of those
> newsgroup(s) so they can see any non-crossposted replies within any
> of those groups; it's common netiquette to omit cross-posted groups
> from replies, so anyone crossposting that would complain about this
> routine of cutting crossposts probably has some unscrupulous agenda

No. If I'm reading group X and someone x-posts an interesting
question to X, Y, and Z - Y and Z being groups I don't subscribe
to - I don't want to have to subscribe to them just to make sure
I see all replies.

If someone in Z decides to only reply to Z I won't see it. Either
reply to X, Y, Z and set followup to Z and say so - so I can
decide to subscribe to Z to see the followups - or, better still,
don't do it.

Unless of course, you know that your reply is not worth reading,
when there is an easier way ;)
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Remove numerics from my email address.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 08:05:06 +0000 (GMT), Dave Royal <dave@dave123royal.com> wrote:
>D <J@M> Wrote in message:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:15:28 +0100, Jorg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> wrote:
>>>Am 26.02.24 um 13:34 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>> On 2024-02-23 09:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> How stupid is it to post in more than one group and not subscribing to
>>>>> all of them? That would justify the deletion even more. Next time
>>>>> killfiling is an option.
>>>>
>>>> I may have subscribed all those groups, or not, yet read a particular
>>>> thread only in one.
>>>> By deleting some groups of a reply you risk that some people may not see
>>>> your reply. It is not polite.
>>>
>>>X-posting is impolite to the highest degree!
>>>Only Trolls and beginners do that. The absolute minimum is to announce
>>>X-postings.
>>>I answer usually only in subscribed group(s).
>>
>> anyone crossposting is probably already subscribed to each of those
>> newsgroup(s) so they can see any non-crossposted replies within any
>> of those groups; it's common netiquette to omit cross-posted groups
>> from replies, so anyone crossposting that would complain about this
>> routine of cutting crossposts probably has some unscrupulous agenda
>
>No. If I'm reading group X and someone x-posts an interesting
> question to X, Y, and Z - Y and Z being groups I don't subscribe
> to - I don't want to have to subscribe to them just to make sure
> I see all replies.
>If someone in Z decides to only reply to Z I won't see it. Either
> reply to X, Y, Z and set followup to Z and say so - so I can
> decide to subscribe to Z to see the followups - or, better still,
> don't do it.
>Unless of course, you know that your reply is not worth reading,
> when there is an easier way ;)

servers should further restrict features, prohibit crossposting altogether
and aggressively depeer spam-heavy servers into the mercantile netherworld

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On 2024-02-27 18:16, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 26.02.24 23:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2024-02-26 17:29, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> On 26.02.24 16:31, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2024-02-26 16:15, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> Am 26.02.24 um 13:34 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>>> On 2024-02-23 09:02, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>>> How stupid is it to post in more than one group and not subscribing to
>>>>>>> all of them? That would justify the deletion even more. Next time
>>>>>>> killfiling is an option.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may have subscribed all those groups, or not, yet read a particular
>>>>>> thread only in one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By deleting some groups of a reply you risk that some people may not see
>>>>>> your reply. It is not polite.
>>>>>
>>>>> X-posting is impolite to the highest degree!
>>>>> Only Trolls and beginners do that. The absolute minimum is to announce
>>>>> X-postings.
>>>>>
>>>>> I answer usually only in subscribed group(s).
>>>>
>>>> By answering only in the groups _you_ read you cause problems to _me_,
>>>> which is impolite.
>>>
>>> How could I ever know that? Sorry that is utter nonsense.
>>
>> Because we have told you more than once.
>
> A completely insufficient answer. *You* do not know the rules and worse
> you do not understand them.
>
> And your pluralis majestaetis is ricidulous to the highest degree, Troll.

It is not majestatis, it is because several people have told you the
same thing over the years. Troll yourself. Insults now?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> That is always everyone's own decision but

If someone is keeping tally of the votes, I'm w/ JL, AHK on this, as
opposed to CER's, altho' I understand his argument.

My 'balance' is that normally (w/ the exception of this particular
xpost) I feel no obligation to 'respect' the bad decision of the OP in
whichever groups he has xposted.

My #1 'issue' is that I do NOT believe I should be posting into groups
which I don't read/subscribe, because I DO believe that anyone has the
right to delete any of the xposted groups they might. (So then) I do NOT
want my 'words' being discussed later in some group I'm not subscribed
and don't see going on 'behind my back'.

--
Mike Easter