Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly there are or were many flavors of readers but among them
many non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.

So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I was in Fido couple decades ago
so the concept is not completely new to me) communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it provides me access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more which are of
interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As for servers there seemingly are some
free for text-only groups which is enough for me (e.g. I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).

But what about client?

1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried claws but feel unsure
about it for that sake)
3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best choice).
4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.

I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and something more and try
setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal experience? thanks in advance!

rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) Wrote in message:

> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly there are or were many flavors of readers but among them
> many non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
>
> So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I was in Fido couple decades ago
> so the concept is not completely new to me) communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it provides me access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more which are of
> interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As for servers there seemingly are some
> free for text-only groups which is enough for me (e.g. I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).
>
> But what about client?
>
> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried claws but feel unsure
> about it for that sake)
> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best choice).
> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
>
> I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and something more and try
> setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal experience? thanks in advance!
>

I've used PAN for several years - with xfce.
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rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) writes:

> But what about client?
>
> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux

GNUS.

> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I
> tried claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)

GNUS does mail, nntp and some other things.

> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a
> bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the
> best choice).

GNUS probably is less fat than TB, but not having used TB for years,
that only is an uneducated guess.

> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy
> features for handling images and videos etc.

GNUS runs in Emacs, so if it is not using a stripped down Emacs build,
TUI and GUI will work. In GUIy Emacs you even get images in HTML mail
and posts, but its HTML rendering still lacks many bells and whistles.
For things like Hackaday's RSS gated via Gwene to NNTP it definitely is
nice enough.

> I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and
> something more and try setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with
> similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal
> experience? thanks in advance!

There is lots of help about GNUS available in Usenet or via mailing
lists (gated to NNTP via Gmane and Gwene) and for a not so serious
summary of GNUS read the signature.

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functions. Just call them SPELLs! So who needs other MUDs? Be a hero!
Survive world wide Emacs. Survive GNUS! (20231209T2338/yeti)

rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) writes:

> But what about client?
>
> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux

GNUS.

> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I
> tried claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)

GNUS does mail, nntp and some other things.

> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a
> bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the
> best choice).

GNUS probably is less fat than TB, but not having used TB for years,
that only is an uneducated guess.

> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy
> features for handling images and videos etc.

GNUS runs in Emacs, so if not using a stripped down Emacs build, TUI and
GUI will work. In GUIy Emacs you even get images in HTML mail and
posts, but its HTML rendering still lacks many bells and whistles. For
things like Hackaday's RSS gated via Gwene to NNTP it definitely is nice
enough.

> I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and
> something more and try setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with
> similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal
> experience? thanks in advance!

There is lots of help about GNUS available in Usenet or via mailing
lists (gated to NNTP via Gmane and Gwene) and for a not so serious
summary of GNUS read the signature.

--
GNUS. The final frontier. They say GNUS has more than 800 commands and
functions. Just call them SPELLs! So who needs other MUDs? Be a hero!
Survive world wide Emacs. Survive GNUS! (20231209T2338/yeti)

Thanks Friends!

I have successfully installed both Gnus and PAN (despite their
link to Ubuntu PPA is expired it still works with "apt install pan") and
write this reply using the latter. It seemingly will take some more time
to get acquainted with Gnus, but I'll put some efforts into.

RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly there are or were many flavors of readers but among them
> many non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
>
> So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I was in Fido couple decades ago
> so the concept is not completely new to me) communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it provides me access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more which are of
> interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As for servers there seemingly are some
> free for text-only groups which is enough for me (e.g. I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).
>
> But what about client?
>
> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried claws but feel unsure
> about it for that sake)
> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best choice).
> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
>
> I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and something more and try
> setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal experience? thanks in advance!

I like slrn
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On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 08:44:39 +0000, Rodion Gorkovenko wrote:

> Thanks Friends!
>
> I have successfully installed both Gnus and PAN (despite their link to
> Ubuntu PPA is expired it still works with "apt install pan") and write
> this reply using the latter. It seemingly will take some more time to
> get acquainted with Gnus, but I'll put some efforts into.

Hmmm. You have 0.149, and I see there's a 0.150. They have been busy!
<https://pan.rebelbase.com/>

I see that I had to compile this version back in 2021 when it dropped out
of the OpenSuSE repo, and it's lived through two OS version updates since.
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On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:

> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked
> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
> non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
>
> So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I
> was in Fido couple decades ago so the concept is not completely new
> to me) communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it
> provides me access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more
> which are of interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As
> for servers there seemingly are some free for text-only groups which
> is enough for me (e.g. I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).
>
> But what about client?
>
> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux

There is a list of clients, e.g. translate that German article.
https://th-h.de/archives/faqs/newsreader-faq.txt

> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I
> tried claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)

I use that since I started using usenet.

> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a
> bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the
> best choice).

> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
> lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.

tin, slrn, trn exist.

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When i was in a similar situation to yours, i came to the conclusion that
Pan is the only option.

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On 2024-03-28, RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote:
> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked
> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly there
> are or were many flavors of readers but among them many non-free or for
> windows or not supported anymore.
>
> So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I was in
> Fido couple decades ago so the concept is not completely new to me)
> communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it provides me
> access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more which are of
> interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As for servers there
> seemingly are some free for text-only groups which is enough for me (e.g.
> I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).
>
> But what about client?
>
> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried
> claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)
> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit
> too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best
> choice).
> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy
> features for handling images and videos etc.
>
> I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and
> something more and try setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with
> similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal
> experience? thanks in advance!

I currently use slrn (text). Before that I used Pan (gui). Both are news
clients only. Both use basically the same killfile (score file) system.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly there are or were many flavors of readers but among them
>> many non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
>>
>> So the situation is like this - I recently joined UseNet (though I was in Fido couple decades ago
>> so the concept is not completely new to me) communicating currently via NovaBBS, but as I understand it provides me access to few hundreds groups and to post to some more which are of
>> interest to me I need to pick nntp server and client. As for servers there seemingly are some
>> free for text-only groups which is enough for me (e.g. I read about i2pn2.org at the same novabbs).
>>
>> But what about client?
>>
>> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
>> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried claws but feel unsure
>> about it for that sake)
>> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best choice).
>> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
>>
>> I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and something more and try
>> setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal experience? thanks in advance!
>
>
> I like slrn

I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. That sold
me.

--
[Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an
entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 22:02:06 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
snip
>
>I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. That sold
>me.

just for fun . . .

(using Tor Browser 13.0.13)
https://winworldpc.com/product/wordstar/300
>WordStar 3.00
>WordStar, originally from MicroPro, was a popular word processor during the
>early 80s. It was ported to a number of CP/M architectures as well as Unix
>and PC/MS-DOS. It competed directly against many word processors, including
>WordPerfect, Microsoft Word for DOS, and Multimate. By the late 80s most
>business word processing had moved to WordPerfect. In the early 90s, Microsoft
>Word for Windows took over.
>Also see a history of WordStar: A Potted History of WordStar and some earlier
>0.x versions at The WordStar Collection
>Wanted: Pre-1.0 versions were sold publicly. WordStar 0.87 redump, WordStar
>0.89, WordStar 0.91, WordStar 0.92, (Google results indicate these existed)
>WordStar 1.0. Early WordStar 2.0 releases were reported to be copy protected.
>Available releases
> 0.x/1.x
> 2.x
> 3.00 (current)
> 3.30
> for PCjr
> 2000
> 4.0
> 1512
> 5.0
> COLT
> 5.5
> 6
> 1.5 for Windows
> 7
> 2.0 for Windows
>Release notes
>Wanted: Wordstar 3.00 for PC/MS-DOS. Reportedly 3.0 was the first version available for DOS.
>Information
>Product type
> Application Word Processor
>Vendor
> MicroPro
>Release date
> 1982
>Minimum CPU
> Z80
>User interface
> Text
>Platform
> CPM
>Download count
> 35 (1 for release)
>Downloads
>Download name Version Language Architecture File size Downloads
> WordStar 3.00 for CPM Manuals 3.00 for CPM English [Z80] 17.19MB 0
> WordStar 3.00 for CPM-80 (files) 3.00 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 189.76KB 0
> https://winworldpc.com/download/08c3841f-c383-c398-c2b3-11c3a5c28f13
> https://winworldpc.com/download/08c3841f-c383-c398-c2b3-11c3a5c28f13/from/c3ae6ee2-8099-713d-3411-c3a6e280947e
("WordStar 3.00 for CPM-80 (files).7z" ; 188 KB / 192,512 bytes)
> WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 (1982) (5.25-DSQD) 3.01 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 11.05MB 0
> https://winworldpc.com/download/348b9ab2-df7d-11ec-8dc3-0200008a0da4
> https://winworldpc.com/download/348b9ab2-df7d-11ec-8dc3-0200008a0da4/from/c3ae6ee2-8099-713d-3411-c3a6e280947e
("WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 (1982) (5.25-DSQD).7z" ; 10.5 MB / 11,055,104 bytes)
> WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 Manuals (1982) 3.01 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 145.37MB 0
>Comments
[end quote]

yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> writes:

> rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) writes:
>
>> But what about client?
>>
>> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
>
> GNUS.

I vote for gnus as well. :-)

>
>> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I
>> tried claws but feel unsure about it for that sake)
>
> GNUS does mail, nntp and some other things.
>
>> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a
>> bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the
>> best choice).
>
> GNUS probably is less fat than TB, but not having used TB for years,
> that only is an uneducated guess.
>
>> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode lacking fancy
>> features for handling images and videos etc.
>
> GNUS runs in Emacs, so if it is not using a stripped down Emacs build,
> TUI and GUI will work. In GUIy Emacs you even get images in HTML mail
> and posts, but its HTML rendering still lacks many bells and whistles.
> For things like Hackaday's RSS gated via Gwene to NNTP it definitely is
> nice enough.
>
>> I guess it is definitely possible to try downloading this and that and
>> something more and try setting them up etc - but perhaps someone with
>> similar situation can direct me with advice according to personal
>> experience? thanks in advance!
>
> There is lots of help about GNUS available in Usenet or via mailing
> lists (gated to NNTP via Gmane and Gwene) and for a not so serious
> summary of GNUS read the signature.

Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

> On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:
>
>
>> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
>> lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
>
> tin, slrn, trn exist.

I've used all 3, and actually used slrn for a number of years. I finally
decided to jump into gnus though, and once I did I wish I had done it
years earlier.

I had found that things like tin, trn, and slrn each had limitations for
me. Sometimes there were workarounds and sometimes not. With gnus, every
time I wondered about a feature, I found it was already there or there
was an easy way of making gnus do that.

I feel that gnus is the most capable and flexible newsreader, and I'd
find it hard to go back to anything else.

Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 19:09 this Friday (GMT):
> Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
>
>> On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:
>>
>>
>>> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
>>> lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
>>
>> tin, slrn, trn exist.
>
> I've used all 3, and actually used slrn for a number of years. I finally
> decided to jump into gnus though, and once I did I wish I had done it
> years earlier.
>
> I had found that things like tin, trn, and slrn each had limitations for
> me. Sometimes there were workarounds and sometimes not. With gnus, every
> time I wondered about a feature, I found it was already there or there
> was an easy way of making gnus do that.
>
> I feel that gnus is the most capable and flexible newsreader, and I'd
> find it hard to go back to anything else.

GNUs certainly seems interesting, but I also don't want to go down the
emacs route.
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On 2024-03-28, D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 22:02:06 -0000 (UTC), RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> snip
>>
>>I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. That sold
>>me.
>
> just for fun . . .
>
> (using Tor Browser 13.0.13)
> https://winworldpc.com/product/wordstar/300

Thanks. I've bookmarked this. I mostly used 5.0 and 5.5, then 7 at the end.
I still run them (ocassionally) in DOSBox, but Jstar does what I need and
it's more convenient.

>>WordStar 3.00
>>WordStar, originally from MicroPro, was a popular word processor during the
>>early 80s. It was ported to a number of CP/M architectures as well as Unix
>>and PC/MS-DOS. It competed directly against many word processors, including
>>WordPerfect, Microsoft Word for DOS, and Multimate. By the late 80s most
>>business word processing had moved to WordPerfect. In the early 90s, Microsoft
>>Word for Windows took over.
>>Also see a history of WordStar: A Potted History of WordStar and some earlier
>>0.x versions at The WordStar Collection
>>Wanted: Pre-1.0 versions were sold publicly. WordStar 0.87 redump, WordStar
>>0.89, WordStar 0.91, WordStar 0.92, (Google results indicate these existed)
>>WordStar 1.0. Early WordStar 2.0 releases were reported to be copy protected.
>>Available releases
>> 0.x/1.x
>> 2.x
>> 3.00 (current)
>> 3.30
>> for PCjr
>> 2000
>> 4.0
>> 1512
>> 5.0
>> COLT
>> 5.5
>> 6
>> 1.5 for Windows
>> 7
>> 2.0 for Windows
>>Release notes
>>Wanted: Wordstar 3.00 for PC/MS-DOS. Reportedly 3.0 was the first version available for DOS.
>>Information
>>Product type
>> Application Word Processor
>>Vendor
>> MicroPro
>>Release date
>> 1982
>>Minimum CPU
>> Z80
>>User interface
>> Text
>>Platform
>> CPM
>>Download count
>> 35 (1 for release)
>>Downloads
>>Download name Version Language Architecture File size Downloads
>> WordStar 3.00 for CPM Manuals 3.00 for CPM English [Z80] 17.19MB 0
>> WordStar 3.00 for CPM-80 (files) 3.00 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 189.76KB 0
>> https://winworldpc.com/download/08c3841f-c383-c398-c2b3-11c3a5c28f13
>> https://winworldpc.com/download/08c3841f-c383-c398-c2b3-11c3a5c28f13/from/c3ae6ee2-8099-713d-3411-c3a6e280947e
> ("WordStar 3.00 for CPM-80 (files).7z" ; 188 KB / 192,512 bytes)
>> WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 (1982) (5.25-DSQD) 3.01 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 11.05MB 0
>> https://winworldpc.com/download/348b9ab2-df7d-11ec-8dc3-0200008a0da4
>> https://winworldpc.com/download/348b9ab2-df7d-11ec-8dc3-0200008a0da4/from/c3ae6ee2-8099-713d-3411-c3a6e280947e
> ("WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 (1982) (5.25-DSQD).7z" ; 10.5 MB / 11,055,104 bytes)
>> WordStar 3.01 for CPM-80 Manuals (1982) 3.01 for CPM-80 English [Z80] 145.37MB 0
>>Comments
> [end quote]
>

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
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On 2024-03-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 19:09 this Friday (GMT):
>> Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
>>
>>> On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
>>>> lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
>>>
>>> tin, slrn, trn exist.
>>
>> I've used all 3, and actually used slrn for a number of years. I finally
>> decided to jump into gnus though, and once I did I wish I had done it
>> years earlier.
>>
>> I had found that things like tin, trn, and slrn each had limitations for
>> me. Sometimes there were workarounds and sometimes not. With gnus, every
>> time I wondered about a feature, I found it was already there or there
>> was an easy way of making gnus do that.
>>
>> I feel that gnus is the most capable and flexible newsreader, and I'd
>> find it hard to go back to anything else.
>
>
> GNUs certainly seems interesting, but I also don't want to go down the
> emacs route.

I'm too old to (want to) learn another one and I like using slrn with Jstar.

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entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality."
"It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine

On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
>>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked
>>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
>>> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
>>> non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
>>>
>>> But what about client?
>>>
>> I like slrn
>
> I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. That sold
> me.

It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is
always, uniformly, what comes to mind.

I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have
used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it
all possible.

Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.

On 2024-03-30, dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
>> <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>>> RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked
>>>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
>>>> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
>>>> non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
>>>>
>>>> But what about client?
>>>>
>>> I like slrn
>>
>> I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor. That sold
>> me.
>
> It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is
> always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
>
> I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have
> used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it
> all possible.

Never even thought of it that way before. I just know I'm happy with slrn.

> Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.

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>On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 08:13:53 +0042, yeti <yeti@tilde.institute> wrote:

>rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) writes:
>
>> But what about client?
>>
>> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
>
>GNUS.

If you're using a BSD, in gnu's headers it says:
"Berkeley Unix" mucho geek cred.

>On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:

>I like slrn

I used slrn when I was using Linux, BSD, OS/2, and Windows at the same
time. It worked the same everywhere.

I went back to Agent because, for me, Forte Agent=Usenet.
I'm an old warez hound and have been pulling headers in Agent almost
every day since 1995.

This version is running in Wine on Debian.

16 bit FreeAgent from 1995 still works great for text.

dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
> > <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
> >> RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
> >>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked
> >>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
> >>> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
> >>> non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
> >>>
> >>> But what about client?
> >>>
> >> I like slrn
> >
> > I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor.
> > That sold me.
>
> It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is
> always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
>
> I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have
> used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it
> all possible.

Same for tin. Just define your favourite editor - in my case (since
over four decades) vim - in your tinrc file. Forcing a user to use a
particular editor is rather silly.

> Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.

Nah, it's tin, The Ideal Newsreader! :-)

El Kabong <Quickdraw@HannaBarbera.com> wrote at 13:13 this Sunday (GMT):
>>On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 15:40:09 -0000 (UTC), candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>
>>I like slrn
>
> I used slrn when I was using Linux, BSD, OS/2, and Windows at the same
> time. It worked the same everywhere.
>
> I went back to Agent because, for me, Forte Agent=Usenet.
> I'm an old warez hound and have been pulling headers in Agent almost
> every day since 1995.
>
> This version is running in Wine on Debian.
>
> 16 bit FreeAgent from 1995 still works great for text.

Interesting. I prefer the tui interface myself, but Forte looks nice.
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Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote at 13:45 this Sunday (GMT):
> dgold <d@gold.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-03-28, RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 2024-03-28, candycanearter07
>> > <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> >> RodionGork <rodion_gork@mail.ru> wrote at 06:33 this Thursday (GMT):
>> >>> Hi Friends and sorry for such a trivial and perhaps frequently-asked
>> >>> question. I haven't imagined it may be that difficult - seemingly
>> >>> there are or were many flavors of readers but among them many
>> >>> non-free or for windows or not supported anymore.
>> >>>
>> >>> But what about client?
>> >>>
>> >> I like slrn
>> >
>> > I do too. I can pick Jstar (WordStar variant of JOE) as my editor.
>> > That sold me.
>>
>> It's so strange to me -- anytime anyone asks what Usenet is, slrn is
>> always, uniformly, what comes to mind.
>>
>> I'm editing this in Vim; Ron edited his answer in Jstar; CC07 could have
>> used nano or emacs or whatever -- the point remains: slrn just makes it
>> all possible.
>
> Same for tin. Just define your favourite editor - in my case (since
> over four decades) vim - in your tinrc file. Forcing a user to use a
> particular editor is rather silly.
>
>> Slrn, always, forever. It is usenet. Hasta la slrn siempre.
>
> Nah, it's tin, The Ideal Newsreader! :-)

Eh, tin is interesting but I prefer the visual thread display that slrn
has.
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RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote at 02:48 this Saturday (GMT):
> On 2024-03-29, candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid> wrote:
>> Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 19:09 this Friday (GMT):
>>> Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 28.03.2024 um 06:33 Uhr RodionGork wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> 4. It would be all right if it is works in text-mode
>>>>> lacking fancy features for handling images and videos etc.
>>>>
>>>> tin, slrn, trn exist.
>>>
>>> I've used all 3, and actually used slrn for a number of years. I finally
>>> decided to jump into gnus though, and once I did I wish I had done it
>>> years earlier.
>>>
>>> I had found that things like tin, trn, and slrn each had limitations for
>>> me. Sometimes there were workarounds and sometimes not. With gnus, every
>>> time I wondered about a feature, I found it was already there or there
>>> was an easy way of making gnus do that.
>>>
>>> I feel that gnus is the most capable and flexible newsreader, and I'd
>>> find it hard to go back to anything else.
>>
>>
>> GNUs certainly seems interesting, but I also don't want to go down the
>> emacs route.
>
> I'm too old to (want to) learn another one and I like using slrn with Jstar.

I use slrn with vim.
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