candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:

> Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote at 21:24 this Thursday (GMT):
> [snip]
>> The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
>> came with a good text editor too ;)
>>
>>
>> Phil
>
>
> I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.

It was, and that predated the Linux kernel. You used to be able to send
off for a tape with the emacs code on it back in the old days.

Bud Frede wrote:

> In addition, if you really want to use a different editor with gnus,
> you can. I used to know a guy who used gnus with vim.

https://groups.google.com/g/news.software.readers/c/IcpzIZk9Anw/m/S5LhAOAA840J

Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 17:24 this Friday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> writes:
>
>> Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote at 21:24 this Thursday (GMT):
>> [snip]
>>> The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
>>> came with a good text editor too ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil
>>
>>
>> I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
>
> It was, and that predated the Linux kernel. You used to be able to send
> off for a tape with the emacs code on it back in the old days.

Wait what?
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candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
writes:

> Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 17:24 this Friday (GMT):
>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>> writes:
>>
>>> Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote at 21:24 this Thursday (GMT):
>>> [snip]
>>>> The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
>>>> came with a good text editor too ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>
>>>
>>> I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
>>
>> It was, and that predated the Linux kernel. You used to be able to send
>> off for a tape with the emacs code on it back in the old days.
>
>
> Wait what?

It was mentioned in passing here in 1981.

https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html

Tape was how they distributed things years ago...

Maybe you've heard of BSD? That was on tape too when Bill Joy first
started sending out Berkeley's additions to Unix to other Unix sites.

I also remember seeing messages from Stallman talking about how to get a
tape with the emacs code on it. That was also mentioned at some point in
regard to GNU not being opposed to anyone charging for distribution -
like paying for tapes or later paying for a CD with Slackware on it,
etc.

Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 18:49 this Thursday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
> writes:
>
>> Bud Frede <frede@mouse-potato.com> wrote at 17:24 this Friday (GMT):
>>> candycanearter07 <candycanearter07@candycanearter07.nomail.afraid>
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>> Phil Boutros <philb@philb.ca> wrote at 21:24 this Thursday (GMT):
>>>> [snip]
>>>>> The famous joke: Emacs is a great operating system. If only it
>>>>> came with a good text editor too ;)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't wait for "emacs" to be released as its own distro.
>>>
>>> It was, and that predated the Linux kernel. You used to be able to send
>>> off for a tape with the emacs code on it back in the old days.
>>
>>
>> Wait what?
>
> It was mentioned in passing here in 1981.
>
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs-paper.html

I wasn't here then.

> Tape was how they distributed things years ago...
>
> Maybe you've heard of BSD? That was on tape too when Bill Joy first
> started sending out Berkeley's additions to Unix to other Unix sites.
>
> I also remember seeing messages from Stallman talking about how to get a
> tape with the emacs code on it. That was also mentioned at some point in
> regard to GNU not being opposed to anyone charging for distribution -
> like paying for tapes or later paying for a CD with Slackware on it,
> etc.
>

Interesting.
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rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
<353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:

>But what about client?

I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.

I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
<https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
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On 2024-04-26, Richard <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote:
> [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>
> rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
><353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
>
>>But what about client?
>
> I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
>
> I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
><https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>

Where can we find this changes? I am using slrn on my laptops/desktops
but I have termux on one of my tablets and can't find a good client..

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rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-04-26, Richard <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote:
> > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
> >
> > rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
> ><353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
> >
> >>But what about client?
> >
> > I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
> >
> > I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
> ><https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
>
> Where can we find this changes? I am using slrn on my laptops/desktops
> but I have termux on one of my tablets and can't find a good client..

If you use slrn on your laptops/desktops, then can't you just build it
on Termux? Shouldn't be too hard.

I don't use slrn myself (but tin), but AFAIK the current main slrn
website is <http://slrn.info>.

On 2024-04-27, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
> rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2024-04-26, Richard <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote:
>> > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>> >
>> > rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
>> ><353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
>> >
>> >>But what about client?
>> >
>> > I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
>> >
>> > I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
>> ><https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
>>
>> Where can we find this changes? I am using slrn on my laptops/desktops
>> but I have termux on one of my tablets and can't find a good client..
>
> If you use slrn on your laptops/desktops, then can't you just build it
> on Termux? Shouldn't be too hard.
>
> I don't use slrn myself (but tin), but AFAIK the current main slrn
> website is <http://slrn.info>.

I tried, but is missing libraries, and is arm procesor so a ton of
errors

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On 2024-04-28, rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-04-27, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>> rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-26, Richard <legalize+jeeves@mail.xmission.com> wrote:
>>> > [Please do not mail me a copy of your followup]
>>> >
>>> > rodion_gork@mail.ru (RodionGork) spake the secret code
>>> ><353106c549c5267814e3e2c71aff0b10@www.novabbs.com> thusly:
>>> >
>>> >>But what about client?
>>> >
>>> > I like trn. It's available through most linux package managers.
>>> >
>>> > I like it so much that I'm hacking on it to improve it:
>>> ><https://github.com/LegalizeAdulthood/trn>
>>>
>>> Where can we find this changes? I am using slrn on my laptops/desktops
>>> but I have termux on one of my tablets and can't find a good client..
>>
>> If you use slrn on your laptops/desktops, then can't you just build it
>> on Termux? Shouldn't be too hard.
>>
>> I don't use slrn myself (but tin), but AFAIK the current main slrn
>> website is <http://slrn.info>.
>
> I tried, but is missing libraries, and is arm procesor so a ton of
> errors

You're using termux, downloaded from F-Droid? (Play Store version
is outdated).

I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under
Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)

GitHub - jedsoft/slrn: A multi-platform Usenet client
https://github.com/jedsoft/slrn

Listing of diffs:

diff --git a/src/misc.c b/src/misc.c
index d6b1886..555e0cd 100644
--- a/src/misc.c
+++ b/src/misc.c
@@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ void slrn_verror (char *fmt, va_list ap)
{
va_list ap1;
- VA_COPY(ap1, ap);
+ va_copy(ap1, ap);
if ((Slrn_TT_Initialized & SLRN_SMG_INIT) == 0)
{
@@ -1022,7 +1022,7 @@ FILE *slrn_open_tmpfile_in_dir (char *dir, char *file, size_t n)
else if (i)
break;
- fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IREAD | S_IWRITE);
+ fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR);
if (fd != -1)
{
if (NULL == (fp = fdopen (fd, "w")))
diff --git a/src/snprintf.c b/src/snprintf.c
index 8bed6b4..2c9890a 100644
--- a/src/snprintf.c
+++ b/src/snprintf.c
@@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ char *slrn_strdup_vprintf (const char *format, va_list args1) /*{{{*/

if (format == NULL) return NULL;

- VA_COPY (args2, args1);
+ va_copy (args2, args1);

buffer = slrn_safe_malloc (printf_string_upper_bound (format, args1));

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On 2024-04-28, De ongekruisigde (ds.) <ongekruisigde@gekruisigden.invalid> wrote:
> I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under
> Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)

Yes indeed, thank so much for this patch! I will try to compile it again
later.

Thanks again, I am glad to be back in usenet again after 20 years ;) you
just made my day.

> GitHub - jedsoft/slrn: A multi-platform Usenet client
> https://github.com/jedsoft/slrn
>
> Listing of diffs:
>
> diff --git a/src/misc.c b/src/misc.c
> index d6b1886..555e0cd 100644
> --- a/src/misc.c
> +++ b/src/misc.c
> @@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ void slrn_verror (char *fmt, va_list ap)
> {
> va_list ap1;
>
> - VA_COPY(ap1, ap);
> + va_copy(ap1, ap);
>
> if ((Slrn_TT_Initialized & SLRN_SMG_INIT) == 0)
> {
> @@ -1022,7 +1022,7 @@ FILE *slrn_open_tmpfile_in_dir (char *dir, char *file, size_t n)
> else if (i)
> break;
>
> - fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IREAD | S_IWRITE);
> + fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR);
> if (fd != -1)
> {
> if (NULL == (fp = fdopen (fd, "w")))
> diff --git a/src/snprintf.c b/src/snprintf.c
> index 8bed6b4..2c9890a 100644
> --- a/src/snprintf.c
> +++ b/src/snprintf.c
> @@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ char *slrn_strdup_vprintf (const char *format, va_list args1) /*{{{*/
>
> if (format == NULL) return NULL;
>
> - VA_COPY (args2, args1);
> + va_copy (args2, args1);
>
> buffer = slrn_safe_malloc (printf_string_upper_bound (format, args1));
>

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On 2024-04-29, rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 2024-04-28, De ongekruisigde (ds.) <ongekruisigde@gekruisigden.invalid> wrote:
>> I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under
>> Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)
>
> Yes indeed, thank so much for this patch! I will try to compile it again
> later.

It's quite usable on mobile indeed. Hope that it still works
(have not recently updated so don't know if there's a new version
or something --probably not likely: old and stable software).

> Thanks again, I am glad to be back in usenet again after 20 years ;) you
> just made my day.

:-) You're welcome!

>> GitHub - jedsoft/slrn: A multi-platform Usenet client
>> https://github.com/jedsoft/slrn
>>
>> Listing of diffs:
>>
>> diff --git a/src/misc.c b/src/misc.c
>> index d6b1886..555e0cd 100644
>> --- a/src/misc.c
>> +++ b/src/misc.c
>> @@ -373,7 +373,7 @@ void slrn_verror (char *fmt, va_list ap)
>> {
>> va_list ap1;
>>
>> - VA_COPY(ap1, ap);
>> + va_copy(ap1, ap);
>>
>> if ((Slrn_TT_Initialized & SLRN_SMG_INIT) == 0)
>> {
>> @@ -1022,7 +1022,7 @@ FILE *slrn_open_tmpfile_in_dir (char *dir, char *file, size_t n)
>> else if (i)
>> break;
>>
>> - fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IREAD | S_IWRITE);
>> + fd = open (file, O_WRONLY | O_CREAT | O_EXCL, S_IRUSR | S_IWUSR);
>> if (fd != -1)
>> {
>> if (NULL == (fp = fdopen (fd, "w")))
>> diff --git a/src/snprintf.c b/src/snprintf.c
>> index 8bed6b4..2c9890a 100644
>> --- a/src/snprintf.c
>> +++ b/src/snprintf.c
>> @@ -103,7 +103,7 @@ char *slrn_strdup_vprintf (const char *format, va_list args1) /*{{{*/
>>
>> if (format == NULL) return NULL;
>>
>> - VA_COPY (args2, args1);
>> + va_copy (args2, args1);
>>
>> buffer = slrn_safe_malloc (printf_string_upper_bound (format, args1));
>>
>
>

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Hi,
RodionGork a écrit :

> But what about client?

> 1. I'm linux user so it should be available for linux
> 2. It shouldn't necessarily be mail client for its main purpose (I tried claws but feel unsure
> about it for that sake)
> 3. It would be good if it is lightweight enough (Thunderbird seems a bit too fat already but not too much if you say it is definitely the best choice).

flnews is a good and fast newsreader.
You can easyly compile it.

<https://micha.freeshell.org/flnews/>

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rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote at 00:17 this Monday (GMT):
> On 2024-04-28, De ongekruisigde (ds.) <ongekruisigde@gekruisigden.invalid> wrote:
>> I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under
>> Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)
>
> Yes indeed, thank so much for this patch! I will try to compile it again
> later.
>
> Thanks again, I am glad to be back in usenet again after 20 years ;) you
> just made my day.
[snip]

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candycanearter07 wrote:

> rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
> > On 2024-04-28, De ongekruisigde (ds.) wrote:
> >> I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under
> >> Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)
> >
> > Yes indeed, thank so much for this patch! I will try to compile it again
> > later.
> >
> > Thanks again, I am glad to be back in usenet again after 20 years ;) you
> > just made my day.
> [snip]
>
>
> Welcome back!
>

It's always good to see the return of prodigal sons (and daughters).
It must be time to barbecue the fatted calf. ≈:o)

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Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 23:07 this Monday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> rek2 hispagatos <rek2@hispagatos.org.invalid> wrote:
>> > On 2024-04-28, De ongekruisigde (ds.) wrote:
>> >> I downloaded the source and compiled it myself. For Termux (Linux under
>> >> Android; minor edits required but if it works there...)
>> >
>> > Yes indeed, thank so much for this patch! I will try to compile it again
>> > later.
>> >
>> > Thanks again, I am glad to be back in usenet again after 20 years ;) you
>> > just made my day.
>> [snip]
>>
>>
>> Welcome back!
>>
>
> It's always good to see the return of prodigal sons (and daughters).
> It must be time to barbecue the fatted calf. ≈:o)

what?
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candycanearter07 wrote:

[...]

> >> Welcome back!
> >>
> >
> > It's always good to see the return of prodigal sons (and daughters).
> > It must be time to barbecue the fatted calf. ≈:o)
> >
>
> what?
>

Just a weak attempt at a joke - it's a Bible reference.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Prodigal_Son>

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Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote at 19:35 this Tuesday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> >> Welcome back!
>> >>
>> >
>> > It's always good to see the return of prodigal sons (and daughters).
>> > It must be time to barbecue the fatted calf. ≈:o)
>> >
>>
>> what?
>>
>
> Just a weak attempt at a joke - it's a Bible reference.
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Prodigal_Son>

Oh, ok. I'm not super religious :P
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candycanearter07 wrote:

[...]

> >> >> Welcome back!
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > It's always good to see the return of prodigal sons (and daughters).
> >> > It must be time to barbecue the fatted calf. ≈:o)
> >> >
> >>
> >> what?
> >>
> >
> > Just a weak attempt at a joke - it's a Bible reference.
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_Prodigal_Son>
> >
>
> Oh, ok. I'm not super religious :P
>

Me neither, quite the contrary, but my school very much was.
They spent years trying to push their religion into my head.

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