Le 10-04-2023, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> a écrit :
> Am 10.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Stéphane CARPENTIER:
>> <https://ibb.co/SyVRL85>
>>
>> Your reader visually wrapping the long urls doesn't mean they are split
>> on many lines with some carriage return inserted inside of them. When
>> I'm posting this message, I'll have a warning telling me some of my
>> lines are too long.
>
> I force my TBs to wrap after 72 characters under any circumstances. I
> also dectivate any format flowed-functions.

So, it's like I said. The posted links were longs but on one line. Your
preferences to display them doesn't affect what was sent by the posters.

> BTW: I do not open shortened links like the one above.

It's not a shortened link. It's a short link. It's not the same. The
shortened link send you to another link. A short link is just short
because it doesn't need to be long.

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On 2023-04-09 22:03, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 09/04/2023 18:42, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 09.04.23 um 15:14 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
>>> On 2023-04-09 11:40, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>>>
>>>> This is not necessary in TB.
>>>
>>> I use Thunderbird, and indeed I had to recompose long urls.
>>
>> I had never to do this.
>>
>
> Maybe I just saw the weird way TB tends to display long URLs after they
> are pasted in (split at ampersands and dashes and so on) and just
> assumed the URL was broken.
>
> I'll try and remember not to use <> in the future.

The recommended way is to use <>, no matter if it works in a particular
reader without them. Outlook comes to mind. There are some ancient RFCs
reccomending the brackets. W3C reccomends them, too.

quoted from http://www.w3.org/Addressing/URL/5.1_Wrappers.html:

URIs, including URLs, will ideally be transmitted though protocols which
accept them and data formats which define a context for them. However,
in practice nowadays there are many occasions when URLs are included in
plain ASCII non-marked-up text such as electronic mail and usenet news
messages.

In this case, it is convenient to have a separate wrapper syntax to
define delimiters which will enable the human or automated reader to
recognize that the URI is a URI.

The recommendation is that the angle brackets (less than and greater
than signs) of the ASCII set be used for this purpose.

These wrappers do not form part of the URL, are not mandatory, and
should not be used in contexts (such as SGML parameters, HTTP requests,
etc) in which delimiters are already specified.

https://ideas.4brad.com/node/443

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On 2023-04-09 23:26, TJ wrote:
> On 2023-04-09 14:01, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>>
>>> T-bird 109.1 in Mageia 9 handles that just fine.
>>
>> Works here, too, but I know that sometimes it doesn't and I had to
>> paste sections of the url into FF. Why, no idea at this moment. Maybe
>> Thunderbird has solved a long standing bug.
>
> I have seen it before, but it seems like it's been years.
>
> I can remember it happening with some posts and not with others so I've
> always thought it had more to do with the word wrap settings of whatever
> the poster used to craft the message than the settings of the
> Thunderbird receiving it.

Possibly.

The thing is, many times I had to reconstruct links in Thunberbird. It
is a fact.

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Am 10.04.23 um 11:13 schrieb Stéphane CARPENTIER:
> Le 10-04-2023, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> a écrit :
>> I force my TBs to wrap after 72 characters under any circumstances. I
>> also dectivate any format flowed-functions.
>
> So, it's like I said. The posted links were longs but on one line. Your
> preferences to display them doesn't affect what was sent by the posters.

Self explaining I would suggest.

>> BTW: I do not open shortened links like the one above.
>
> It's not a shortened link. It's a short link.

Semantics. I do not open them and I configure all mail clients under my
control to delete mails irrevocably that contain such links.

They are not best practice.

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Am 10.04.23 um 12:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2023-04-09 23:26, TJ wrote:
>> I can remember it happening with some posts and not with others so I've
>> always thought it had more to do with the word wrap settings of whatever
>> the poster used to craft the message than the settings of the
>> Thunderbird receiving it.
>
> Possibly.
>
> The thing is, many times I had to reconstruct links in Thunberbird. It
> is a fact.

Because the client of the sender or the sender him/herself did not
adhere to the rules. Not because of deficiencies of TB.

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Le 10-04-2023, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> a écrit :
>
>>> BTW: I do not open shortened links like the one above.
>>
>> It's not a shortened link. It's a short link.
>
> Semantics.

No. You don't understand. Read again the explanation you removed.

> I do not open them and I configure all mail clients under my
> control to delete mails irrevocably that contain such links.

You do what you want. But as you can't know which link displays the
hosted content from the one who send you to another, it should be funny
to see how you do.

> They are not best practice.

So what is the best practice to send a screenshot on usenet?

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Am 10.04.23 um 19:19 schrieb Stéphane CARPENTIER:
> Le 10-04-2023, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> a écrit >> They are not best practice.
>
> So what is the best practice to send a screenshot on usenet?

Picture hoster and a link to it like this:

https://up.picr.de/45460231rm.png

Voilà mon cher.

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On 2023-04-10 16:09, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 10.04.23 um 12:57 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2023-04-09 23:26, TJ wrote:
>>> I can remember it happening with some posts and not with others so I've
>>> always thought it had more to do with the word wrap settings of whatever
>>> the poster used to craft the message than the settings of the
>>> Thunderbird receiving it.
>>
>> Possibly.
>>
>> The thing is, many times I had to reconstruct links in Thunberbird. It
>> is a fact.
>
> Because the client of the sender or the sender him/herself did not
> adhere to the rules. Not because of deficiencies of TB.

Rules like enclosing in angled brackets? >:-)

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On 2023-04-10 16:07, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 10.04.23 um 11:13 schrieb Stéphane CARPENTIER:
>> Le 10-04-2023, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> a écrit :
>>> I force my TBs to wrap after 72 characters under any circumstances. I
>>> also dectivate any format flowed-functions.
>>
>> So, it's like I said. The posted links were longs but on one line. Your
>> preferences to display them doesn't affect what was sent by the posters.
>
> Self explaining I would suggest.
>
>>> BTW: I do not open shortened links like the one above.
>>
>> It's not a shortened link. It's a short link.
>
> Semantics. I do not open them and I configure all mail clients under my
> control to delete mails irrevocably that contain such links.
>
> They are not best practice.

In this case, you are mistaken. It is a proper full bona fide URL that
happens to be that short. It doesn't expand.

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Am 10.04.23 um 21:41 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> In this case, you are mistaken. It is a proper full bona fide URL that
> happens to be that short. It doesn't expand.

In the meantime I checked the link. You are right it is a regular
weblink. THX.

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Am 10.04.23 um 21:44 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2023-04-10 16:09, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Because the client of the sender or the sender him/herself did not
>> adhere to the rules. Not because of deficiencies of TB.
>
>
> Rules like enclosing in angled brackets? >:-)

😂

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On 2023-04-10 15:00, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 10.04.23 um 19:19 schrieb Stéphane CARPENTIER:
>> Le 10-04-2023, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> a écrit >> They are not best practice.
>>
>> So what is the best practice to send a screenshot on usenet?
>
> Picture hoster and a link to it like this:
>
> https://up.picr.de/45460231rm.png
>
> Voilà mon cher.
>
Damn short link there. Can't tell what's in the photo from the link.
Might be child porn, get me arrested.

*I'm* not gonna click on it...

TJ

Am 11.04.23 um 04:47 schrieb TJ:
> On 2023-04-10 15:00, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 10.04.23 um 19:19 schrieb Stéphane CARPENTIER:
>>> Le 10-04-2023, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> a écrit >> They are not best practice.
>>>
>>> So what is the best practice to send a screenshot on usenet?
>>
>> Picture hoster and a link to it like this:
>>
>> https://up.picr.de/45460231rm.png
>>
>> Voilà mon cher.
>>
> Damn short link there. Can't tell what's in the photo from the link.
> Might be child porn, get me arrested.
>
> *I'm* not gonna click on it...

It is child porn! *ROTFLSTC*

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On 2023-04-09, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>
>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>
> This is not necessary in TB.

Thunderbird is for email. slrn is for newsgroups. :)

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Am 11.04.23 um 20:46 schrieb RonB:
> On 2023-04-09, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>
>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>
>> This is not necessary in TB.
>
> Thunderbird is for email. slrn is for newsgroups. :)

*ROTFLSTC*

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Am 11.04.23 um 20:49 schrieb RonB:
> On 2023-04-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-04-09 11:40, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>>
>>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>>
>>> This is not necessary in TB.
>>
>> I use Thunderbird, and indeed I had to recompose long urls.
>
> I just hit F11, which widens my terminal and see the whole URL (unless it's
> really, really long). I use slrn in Guake and JOE (Jstar flavor) is my
> editor. Keeps my hand away from the mouse.

I program my postings on punchcards. I think I have beaten you by a wide
margin.

Certainly I'm not impressed indeed.

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On 2023-04-11, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 11.04.23 um 20:49 schrieb RonB:
>> On 2023-04-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2023-04-09 11:40, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>>>
>>>> This is not necessary in TB.
>>>
>>> I use Thunderbird, and indeed I had to recompose long urls.
>>
>> I just hit F11, which widens my terminal and see the whole URL (unless it's
>> really, really long). I use slrn in Guake and JOE (Jstar flavor) is my
>> editor. Keeps my hand away from the mouse.
>
> I program my postings on punchcards. I think I have beaten you by a wide
> margin.
>
> Certainly I'm not impressed indeed.

Is this an attempt at humor? I need to know if I should laugh or not.

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On 2023-04-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-04-09 11:40, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>
>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>
>> This is not necessary in TB.
>
> I use Thunderbird, and indeed I had to recompose long urls.

I just hit F11, which widens my terminal and see the whole URL (unless it's
really, really long). I use slrn in Guake and JOE (Jstar flavor) is my
editor. Keeps my hand away from the mouse.

--
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Am 12.04.23 um 00:20 schrieb RonB:
> On 2023-04-11, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 11.04.23 um 20:49 schrieb RonB:
>>> On 2023-04-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2023-04-09 11:40, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>>>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not necessary in TB.
>>>>
>>>> I use Thunderbird, and indeed I had to recompose long urls.
>>>
>>> I just hit F11, which widens my terminal and see the whole URL (unless it's
>>> really, really long). I use slrn in Guake and JOE (Jstar flavor) is my
>>> editor. Keeps my hand away from the mouse.
>>
>> I program my postings on punchcards. I think I have beaten you by a wide
>> margin.
>>
>> Certainly I'm not impressed indeed.
>
> Is this an attempt at humor? I need to know if I should laugh or not.

WTF cares?

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On 2023-04-12, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 12.04.23 um 00:20 schrieb RonB:
>> On 2023-04-11, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 11.04.23 um 20:49 schrieb RonB:
>>>> On 2023-04-09, Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-04-09 11:40, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>>>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>>>>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is not necessary in TB.
>>>>>
>>>>> I use Thunderbird, and indeed I had to recompose long urls.
>>>>
>>>> I just hit F11, which widens my terminal and see the whole URL (unless it's
>>>> really, really long). I use slrn in Guake and JOE (Jstar flavor) is my
>>>> editor. Keeps my hand away from the mouse.
>>>
>>> I program my postings on punchcards. I think I have beaten you by a wide
>>> margin.
>>>
>>> Certainly I'm not impressed indeed.
>>
>> Is this an attempt at humor? I need to know if I should laugh or not.
>
> WTF cares?

Apprently you do.

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Am 12.04.23 um 20:08 schrieb RonB:
> On 2023-04-12, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 12.04.23 um 00:20 schrieb RonB:
>>> On 2023-04-11, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>>> Am 11.04.23 um 20:49 schrieb RonB:
>>>>> I just hit F11, which widens my terminal and see the whole URL (unless it's
>>>>> really, really long). I use slrn in Guake and JOE (Jstar flavor) is my
>>>>> editor. Keeps my hand away from the mouse.
>>>>
>>>> I program my postings on punchcards. I think I have beaten you by a wide
>>>> margin.
>>>>
>>>> Certainly I'm not impressed indeed.
>>>
>>> Is this an attempt at humor? I need to know if I should laugh or not.
>>
>> WTF cares?
>
> Apprently you do.

*ROTFLSTC*

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Brian Gregory <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> writes:

> On 23/02/2023 15:44, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> Am 23.02.23 um 16:32 schrieb Mike Easter:
>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> bad sector wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> my mistake, won't happen again until the next time
>>>>
>>>> Then please change the tiny URL into the actual link, they are about the
>>>> same length and don't put people out:
>>>>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/rahk68hw
>>>> https://i.imgur.com/RsbswMP.png
>>>>
>>> tinyurl/s are also previewable. If the original/actual link had been so
>>> long as to be a problem, one can label a previewable shortened link as such:
>>>
>>> Previewable: https://preview.tinyurl.com/rahk68hw
>>>
>>> When I post a long link that I have shortened to a previewable shortened
>>> one, I post both the original and the previewable shortened one.
>>>
>>> Some people don't have any problem w/ their news agents breaking
>>> shortened links, but others do.
>> Shortended links are by no means best practice. Especially not in
>> the
>> Usenet.
>> Whether you have the same link behind a shortended link is more than
>> questionable and not recognisable. Shortended links are impolite at best
>> because they mean additional work and risk.
>>
>
> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in
> the middle by most newsgroup readers?

A better newsreader...

RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:

> On 2023-04-09, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>
>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>
>> This is not necessary in TB.
>
> Thunderbird is for email. slrn is for newsgroups. :)

Gnus is for both. :-) Although I actually use mutt and Thunderbird for
e-mail.

On 2023-04-14 07:16, Bud Frede wrote:
> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 2023-04-09, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split in the
>>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>>
>>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>>
>>> This is not necessary in TB.
>>
>> Thunderbird is for email. slrn is for newsgroups. :)
>
> Gnus is for both. :-) Although I actually use mutt and Thunderbird for
> e-mail.
>
Linux is about choice.

So, you use what you choose, I'll use what I choose, and we can all
continue to shake our heads at how pig-headed the others are about the
subject of what is "best."

TJ

On 2023-04-18 15:23, TJ wrote:
> On 2023-04-14 07:16, Bud Frede wrote:
>> RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On 2023-04-09, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>>>> Am 09.04.23 um 10:24 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>> On 2023-04-09 00:40, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>>> What do you recommend for really long links that would get split
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> middle by most newsgroup readers?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing. Just post them inside angled brackets "<long_url>".
>>>>
>>>> This is not necessary in TB.
>>>
>>> Thunderbird is for email. slrn is for newsgroups. :)
>>
>> Gnus is for both. :-) Although I actually use mutt and Thunderbird for
>> e-mail.
>>
> Linux is about choice.
>
> So, you use what you choose, I'll use what I choose, and we can all
> continue to shake our heads at how pig-headed the others are about the
> subject of what is "best."

:-D

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