Op 28-07-2023 om 08:46 schreef Steve Hayes:

> I use a thing called AllwaySync, which as far as I can see does much
> the same thing. I use it to back up certain directories to an external
> hard drive.
>
> I'm not sure how well it would work for copying working files from one
> computer to another and back again.

I'm not either, but I do know that FreeFileSync does that quite well,
even between Linux and Windows, using external drives, or Google Drive,
and maybe some other cloud services too.

I like it, because it has the same UI on Linux and Windows, and because
the free version has no limits on the amount of files or GB's that you
can synchronize. This means that you know what it can handle before you
decide to donate.

I have more than 70,000 files in my home folder, and the program can
handle those easily.

Regards,

Enno

In message <ua0b10$286oe$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:06:56,
Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gmail.com> writes
>>> Don't see the OP but +1 for FreeFileSync
>>>
>>> Using it for years to back up to external USB HDDs.
>>>
>> Thanks for the recommendation. (I was initially put off by the
[]
>> It looks good: any thoughts (ideally from people who've used both)
>>on how it varies - for mirror mode use, i. e. ending up with an exact
>>copy, including deletions and renames - from the old Microsoft
>>(Russinovitch, I think) SyncToy? (Which I now see is no longer
[]
>I've used SyncToy but at that time my external drives were much
>smaller, and I don't remember whether it gave me a full preview of the
>files that it planned to sync. It was also Windows only, so I had to
>abandon it at the moment that I migrated my tree to Gramps running in
>Linux.
[]
Thanks all for the recommendation. I did suspect SyncToy wasn't always
copying everything (I haven't installed either on this machine yet -
I've just been using explorer, and copying everything). I've had a look
at the FreeFileSync website, and it _looks_ somewhat more informative
than SyncToy, so I'll give it a go next time I do a backup. (Obviously
it won't save any time the first time.)
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:20:18 +0200, john
<john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:

>On 28/07/2023 08:23, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:50:29 +0200, john
>> <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/07/2023 08:21, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> I do that with a lot of the files, all in the same batch files. But
>>>> for those I use MS DOS PkZip or ARJ from the command line, and they
>>>> can only cope with 8:3 file names. The RootsMagic data file has a
>>>> four-letter extension, and so won't copy or compress like that.
>>
>>> Why not use the modern free archive program 7-Zip which does not have
>>> those filename limitations. It allows splitting the archive
>>> automatically into volumes of 10Mb, which should copy without the
>>> problems you have noticed, and then to put them back together when you
>>> open the archive.
>>
>> How easy is it to get 7Zip to work from a batch file?
>
>plenty of help and examples on the internet e.g.
>https://www.dotnetperls.com/7-zip-examples
>https://www.get-itsolutions.com/script-to-zip-file-using-cmd-batch-file/
>https://7ziphelp.com/7zip-command-line

Thank you!

--
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Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:21:27 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>I use a USB flash drive to transfer my working data files between by
>dsktop computer (running Windows XP) and my laptop computer (running
>Windows 7.
>
>I used to do most of this this using Dropbox, but Dropbox stopped
>working on Windows XP, so I've done it with a flash drive since then.
>
>Recently, however, one of my data files, for the Rootsmagic genealogy
>program, started getting corrupted in the transfer.
>
>This is the command I use to transfer it from the flash drive to the
>desktop computer (which runs WinXP):
>
>XXCOPY J:\Dropbox\*.* G:\Stevedoc\Dropbox\ /BN /s /y
>
>Where J: is the flash drive and G: is a hard drive on my computer.
>
>That command is part of a batch file which I run every time I need to
>transfer the files. I use similar commands copy files to the flash
>drive.
>
>When the Rootsmagic V7 data file reached 100 Mb, however, it started
>being corrupted.
>
>It seems to be corrupted only when copying from the flash drive to the
>hard drive, on both computers. It does not seem to be corrupted when
>copying from the hard drive to the flash drive. When I notice it is
>corrupted, I copy it manually, using FlashCommander, and that seems to
>copy the file without corruption.
>
>Does anyone know of any limitation of both XXCOPY and ROBOCOPY that
>would cause them to produce errors when copying files over 100 Mb?
>
>Or could the problem be in the use of the command in a batch file, so
>that the batch file tries to run the next command before the computer
>has finished copying the file to the hard drive? If so, is there way
>of delaying it until the copying is finished?

After more playing around with this, it seems that the problem may not
lie with the copying programs, but with RootsMagic itself.

So here is a restatement of the problem:

I frequently have to copy my RM data file from my desktop computer
(running Windows XP) and my laptop computer (running Windows 7).

A while back the file reached the size of 100 Mb, and I began to have
problems with the copying, which I do with XXCOPY on the XP machine
and Robocopy on the Win 7 machine.

I copy the files to a USB flash drive, along with several other files,
using a batch file. But when the data file is copies from the flash
drive to the XP computer, when I try to open it, it reports that the
data file is malformed.

When I look at it with the File Commander program (which compares
files in different directories and allows one to copy them etc) it
shows that the data file has been truncated to 100Mb on the XP
machine, but on the flash drive it is shown as the original size. I
manually copy it again, using File Commander, and then RM 6 or RM 7
opens it OK.

At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.

Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
overcome it?

(Follow-ups reset)

--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On 29/07/2023 05:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:21:27 +0200, Steve Hayes

big snip

>
> So here is a restatement of the problem:
>
> I frequently have to copy my RM data file from my desktop computer
> (running Windows XP) and my laptop computer (running Windows 7).
>
> A while back the file reached the size of 100 Mb, and I began to have
> problems with the copying, which I do with XXCOPY on the XP machine
> and Robocopy on the Win 7 machine.
>
> I copy the files to a USB flash drive, along with several other files,
> using a batch file. But when the data file is copies from the flash
> drive to the XP computer, when I try to open it, it reports that the
> data file is malformed.
>
> When I look at it with the File Commander program (which compares
> files in different directories and allows one to copy them etc) it
> shows that the data file has been truncated to 100Mb on the XP
> machine, but on the flash drive it is shown as the original size. I
> manually copy it again, using File Commander, and then RM 6 or RM 7
> opens it OK.
>
> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
>
> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
> overcome it?
>
> (Follow-ups reset)
>
>

Trying to find solutions for problems for software which is over 10
years old is difficult, especially without full information.

An exact copy of the RM error message and any possible error code might
help in identifying the problem (is it the same for both RM6 and RM7?)

Have you updated to the latest versions of your copying software?
Robocopy is available for WinXP (but you will need to get it from a copy
of Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit)

Are your versions of WinXP and Win 7 fully patched to the final versions?

Are you running the final version of RM on WinXP (is it the RM full
version or Essentials?)

Do you run the RM database integrity checks and re-index the database
routinely?

Op 29-07-2023 om 04:08 schreef J. P. Gilliver:

> Thanks all for the recommendation. I did suspect SyncToy wasn't always
> copying everything (I haven't installed either on this machine yet -
> I've just been using explorer, and copying everything). I've had a look
> at the FreeFileSync website, and it _looks_ somewhat more informative
> than SyncToy, so I'll give it a go next time I do a backup. (Obviously
> it won't save any time the first time.)

Well, I think that it will, if you copied everything with explorer. And
that is, because at its 1st run, it will compare timestamps and sizes,
and assume that all files with equal sizes and timestamps are the same,
and also assume that files with newer timestamps should overwrite older
ones. It will also assume that files that don't exist on either side
need to be copied from the other (in two-way mode).

When synchronization is done, names, sizes, and timestamps are saved in
a hidden database file, so that the program can detect deletions, and
files that have changed on both sides between sessions.

Note that timestamps may differ when you have a FAT file system on one
side, because that doesn't know anything about daylight savings. In such
a case you may see lots of files with a 1 hour difference, and if you
want, the program can correct for that too.

Regards,

Enno

In message <ua36sm$2kmit$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:14:46,
Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gmail.com> writes
>Op 29-07-2023 om 04:08 schreef J. P. Gilliver:
>
>> Thanks all for the recommendation. I did suspect SyncToy wasn't
>>always copying everything (I haven't installed either on this machine
>>yet - I've just been using explorer, and copying everything). I've
>>had a look at the FreeFileSync website, and it _looks_ somewhat more
>>informative than SyncToy, so I'll give it a go next time I do a
>>backup. (Obviously it won't save any time the first time.)
>
>Well, I think that it will, if you copied everything with explorer. And
>that is, because at its 1st run, it will compare timestamps and sizes,
>and assume that all files with equal sizes and timestamps are the same,
>and also assume that files with newer timestamps should overwrite older
>ones. It will also assume that files that don't exist on either side

The first time, there won't be anything in the destination.

>need to be copied from the other (in two-way mode).

You're worrying me talking about "either side" and "two-way mode" - but
I think probably unnecessarily. I just want a copy, with no chance of
anything changing the source side. But I think selecting mirror mode
will do that.
>
>When synchronization is done, names, sizes, and timestamps are saved in
>a hidden database file, so that the program can detect deletions, and
>files that have changed on both sides between sessions.

That will certainly change things on the second and subsequent backups.
>
>Note that timestamps may differ when you have a FAT file system on one
>side, because that doesn't know anything about daylight savings. In
>such a case you may see lots of files with a 1 hour difference, and if
>you want, the program can correct for that too.

Useful to know. I _think_ I have NTFS on both my internal and external
HDs. (Certainly on the internal, as "Everything" works well, and IIRR it
either doesn't work at all, or works very slowly, on FAT.)
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Where [other presenters] tackle the world with a box of watercolours, he
takes a spanner. - David Butcher (on Guy Martin), RT 2015/1/31-2/6

On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 13:44:50 +0200, john
<john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:

>On 29/07/2023 05:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:21:27 +0200, Steve Hayes
>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
>>
>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
>> overcome it?
>
>Trying to find solutions for problems for software which is over 10
>years old is difficult, especially without full information.
>
>An exact copy of the RM error message and any possible error code might
>help in identifying the problem (is it the same for both RM6 and RM7?)

RM7 Error Message:

Application Error

Exception ESQLite3 in module Rootsmagic.exe at 00064907
SQLite error 11 - database disk image is malformed.

RM6 Error Message

Rootsmagic has encountered an unexpected error.
SQLite error 11 - database disk image is malformed.

>Have you updated to the latest versions of your copying software?
>Robocopy is available for WinXP (but you will need to get it from a copy
>of Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit)
>
>Are your versions of WinXP and Win 7 fully patched to the final versions?

I'm pretty sure they are.

>Are you running the final version of RM on WinXP (is it the RM full
>version or Essentials?)

It is the final full version in both RM6 & RM 7.

>Do you run the RM database integrity checks and re-index the database
>routinely?

Yes, usually with RM6, which does it faster in both Win XP and Win 7.

Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
strange behaviour.

--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On 31/07/2023 13:05, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 13:44:50 +0200, john
> <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 29/07/2023 05:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:21:27 +0200, Steve Hayes
>>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
>>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
>>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
>>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
>>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
>>> overcome it?
>>
>> Trying to find solutions for problems for software which is over 10
>> years old is difficult, especially without full information.
>>
>> An exact copy of the RM error message and any possible error code might
>> help in identifying the problem (is it the same for both RM6 and RM7?)
>
> RM7 Error Message:
>
> Application Error
>
> Exception ESQLite3 in module Rootsmagic.exe at 00064907
> SQLite error 11 - database disk image is malformed.
>
> RM6 Error Message
>
> Rootsmagic has encountered an unexpected error.
> SQLite error 11 - database disk image is malformed.
>
>> Have you updated to the latest versions of your copying software?
>> Robocopy is available for WinXP (but you will need to get it from a copy
>> of Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit)
>>
>> Are your versions of WinXP and Win 7 fully patched to the final versions?
>
> I'm pretty sure they are.
>
>> Are you running the final version of RM on WinXP (is it the RM full
>> version or Essentials?)
>
> It is the final full version in both RM6 & RM 7.
>
>> Do you run the RM database integrity checks and re-index the database
>> routinely?
>
> Yes, usually with RM6, which does it faster in both Win XP and Win 7.
>
> Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
> strange behaviour.
>
>

"Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
strange behaviour" does seem to imply there is a corruption which you
may be perpetuating

If you haven't already done so, it would be sensible to create a new
database and to try copying that.

see the para on "Backups may not help" in
https://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.com/corrupt-database-recovery/ and then
for some suggestions on building a new database from your existing database

Hello Steve,

>>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
>>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
>>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
>>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
>>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
>>> overcome it?

At first sight, I would also think that it's a problem caused by using
an old RM version on an old Windows, but when I test this combination
here, running RM 7 Essentials on Windows XP on a virtual machine, inside
Linux, after importing a 300,000 person GEDCOM, which creates a RMGC
file of 222.5 MB, I see no error or truncation, so it looks like there
is some issue with your desktop that I can't simulate here.

Have you tried the RootsMagic community forum?

https://community.rootsmagic.com/

I'm on that forum myself too, and it works quite well.

Regards,

Enno

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:54:37 AM UTC-7, Enno Borgsteede wrote:
> Hello Steve,
> >>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
> >>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
> >>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
> >>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
> >>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
> >>> overcome it?
> At first sight, I would also think that it's a problem caused by using
> an old RM version on an old Windows, but when I test this combination
> here, running RM 7 Essentials on Windows XP on a virtual machine, inside
> Linux, after importing a 300,000 person GEDCOM, which creates a RMGC
> file of 222.5 MB, I see no error or truncation, so it looks like there
> is some issue with your desktop that I can't simulate here.
>
> Have you tried the RootsMagic community forum?
>
> https://community.rootsmagic.com/
>
> I'm on that forum myself too, and it works quite well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Enno

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:00:43 +0200, john
<john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:

>On 31/07/2023 13:05, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> Do you run the RM database integrity checks and re-index the database
>>> routinely?
>>
>> Yes, usually with RM6, which does it faster in both Win XP and Win 7.
>>
>> Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
>> strange behaviour.
>>
>>
>
>"Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
>strange behaviour" does seem to imply there is a corruption which you
>may be perpetuating

Except that in recopying the file with File Commander the corruption
seems to disappear and the file opens normally again.

I use RM with Win 7 on the laptop because RM6 no longer accesses
FamilySearch on any platform, and on the XP computer access comes and
goes -- some features of FamilySearch (at the moment Search) stop
working for a while, then they come back).

See here:
<https://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/2023/02/farewell-to-familysearch.html>

But on the Win 7 laptop I use a more recent and therefore more bloated
version of the Firefox browswer, which hogs memory, is much slower,
and sometimes takes 5 minutes or more to load a page, but I continue
to use it because some websites (like FamilySearch) don't work, or
work eratically, on older and more compact browsers). I suspect that
some of the erros I get with RM7 are because I run it with Firefox to
access FamilySearch, and it hogs disk access. Firefox not only takes 5
minutes or longer to load, it seems to take just as long to unload,
and I suspect that that is what may be causing the weird behaviour of
RM 7 when I try to run the integrity check. I wish someone would
produce a Firefox Lite, which just does basic browsing without the
bells and whistles.

>If you haven't already done so, it would be sensible to create a new
>database and to try copying that.
>
>see the para on "Backups may not help" in
>https://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.com/corrupt-database-recovery/ and then
>for some suggestions on building a new database from your existing database

Thanks, I'll check that.

Gedcom export/import?

--
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Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 10:35:10 PM UTC-7, Shannon Drake wrote:
> On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:54:37 AM UTC-7, Enno Borgsteede wrote:
> > Hello Steve,
> > >>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
> > >>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
> > >>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
> > >>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
> > >>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
> > >>>
> > >>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
> > >>> overcome it?
> > At first sight, I would also think that it's a problem caused by using
> > an old RM version on an old Windows, but when I test this combination
> > here, running RM 7 Essentials on Windows XP on a virtual machine, inside
> > Linux, after importing a 300,000 person GEDCOM, which creates a RMGC
> > file of 222.5 MB, I see no error or truncation, so it looks like there
> > is some issue with your desktop that I can't simulate here.
> >
> > Have you tried the RootsMagic community forum?
> >
> > https://community.rootsmagic.com/
> >
> > I'm on that forum myself too, and it works quite well.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Enno

On 03/08/2023 06:08, Steve Hayes wrote:

> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:00:43 +0200, john wrote:

snip.

>
>> If you haven't already done so, it would be sensible to create a new
>> database and to try copying that.
>>
>> see the para on "Backups may not help" in
>> https://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.com/corrupt-database-recovery/ and then
>> for some suggestions on building a new database from your existing database
>
> Thanks, I'll check that.
>
>

As you have not given any follow-up, can you report on whether have you
tried rebuilding the database and then copying.

If you have, has your problem been solved? If it hasn't, do you get the
same or a different error?

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 10:53:48 +0100, john
<john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:

>On 03/08/2023 06:08, Steve Hayes wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:00:43 +0200, john wrote:
>
>snip.
>
>>
>>> If you haven't already done so, it would be sensible to create a new
>>> database and to try copying that.
>>>
>>> see the para on "Backups may not help" in
>>> https://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.com/corrupt-database-recovery/ and then
>>> for some suggestions on building a new database from your existing database
>>
>> Thanks, I'll check that.
>>
>>
>
>As you have not given any follow-up, can you report on whether have you
>tried rebuilding the database and then copying.
>
>If you have, has your problem been solved? If it hasn't, do you get the
>same or a different error?

I tried a few things, but not that -- I assume that would mean
exporting to GEDCOM and re-importing.

But in any case, yesterday the problem disappeared. The file copied
and opened correctly, even though I had made no changes to the setup
since the previous time I'd had to re-copy the file manually.

But thanks to everyone who replied and tried to help!

--
Steve Hayes
Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/
http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 17:14:25 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <u9tdol$1rko2$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 27 Jul 2023 10:35:16,
>wasbit <wasbit@nowhere.invalid> writes

>>>> I'm doing all my backups with FreeFileSync, because it runs on
>[]
>>>> https://freefilesync.org/faq.php#operating-systems
>[]
>>>> And like the name says, it is free.
>>> Thanks very much, I'll have a look at that.
>>>
>>Don't see the OP but +1 for FreeFileSync
>>
>>Using it for years to back up to external USB HDDs.
>>
>Thanks for the recommendation. (I was initially put off by the
>bidirectional arrow on the Synchronise button, but I now see it has a
>mirror mode. Though only the video tutorial mentions - and that only in
>passing - the deletion of files on the target, which I'd want.)
>
>It looks good: any thoughts (ideally from people who've used both) on
>how it varies - for mirror mode use, i. e. ending up with an exact copy,
>including deletions and renames - from the old Microsoft (Russinovitch,
>I think) SyncToy? (Which I now see is no longer available from MS, but
>the last version [2.1] is at
>https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/microsoft_synctoy_for_windows_xp.html
>[ignore the xp in the URL, it's actually 11/10/8/7 according to the
>actual page].)

I use a thing called AllwaySync, which as far as I can see does much
the same thing. I use it to back up certain directories to an external
hard drive.

I'm not sure how well it would work for copying working files from one
computer to another and back again.

--
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Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
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Paul can you see my messages I've sent?

Robert

On 28/07/2023 08:23, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:50:29 +0200, john
> <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 27/07/2023 08:21, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> I do that with a lot of the files, all in the same batch files. But
>>> for those I use MS DOS PkZip or ARJ from the command line, and they
>>> can only cope with 8:3 file names. The RootsMagic data file has a
>>> four-letter extension, and so won't copy or compress like that.
>
>> Why not use the modern free archive program 7-Zip which does not have
>> those filename limitations. It allows splitting the archive
>> automatically into volumes of 10Mb, which should copy without the
>> problems you have noticed, and then to put them back together when you
>> open the archive.
>
> How easy is it to get 7Zip to work from a batch file?
>
>

Easy

plenty of help and examples on the internet e.g.
https://www.dotnetperls.com/7-zip-examples
https://www.get-itsolutions.com/script-to-zip-file-using-cmd-batch-file/
https://7ziphelp.com/7zip-command-line
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On 11/1/2023 5:57 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> What did you mean by building new media?
>
> I thought maybe we could upgrade the 780 from 2.0 USB ports (black)
> to 3.0 USB ports (Blue) but it doesn't seem like I would be able
> because on the front with the USB ports it also has plug- ins for mic and
> headphones although I don't use either. Similar to this configuration:
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/Restored-Dell-780-Desktop-PC-with-Intel-Core-2-Duo-Processor-4GB-Memory-1TB-Hard-Drive-and-Windows-10-Pro-Monitor-Not-Included-Refurbished/22394341?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=5787&adid=2222222222722394341_5787_155075802957_20717494264&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=678789797442&wl4=pla-2234362938896&wl5=1014127&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=113945645&wl11=online&wl12=22394341_5787&veh=sem&gclid=CjwKCAjw7oeqBhBwEiwALyHLM5UDHynxvin3w7Lej-cSne9YcqQm_08Ajn_Z-UHatjfbr_rAYMGCZhoC840QAvD_BwE
>
> Here's a shot inside the 780
>
> https://postimg.cc/njvyX9xC
>
> Thoughts/suggestions?
>
> Robert
>

I did not see your posts, so they may not have been
showing on this server immediately.

*******

You would use the PCI Express black slot at the bottom of the Optiplex 780.

It would likely be a black x1 slot.

This card uses a Renesas (NEC) USB3.0 chip.

Drivers for this go back to Windows XP. Whereas
Asmedia USB3 cards might start at Windows 7 and have MCCI drivers
(contract drivers, nothing wrong with them). It all depends
on what is available, and at what price. There were some other
brands I would not recommend, and the eTron USB3 offering, I
don't know if they make cards with that or not any more. You have to be
careful to not get a USB3 card with an x4 connector (a wider connector
than the gold pins on this one), as it won't fit in your x1 available
slot. The x4 cards would only fit in your x16 graphics card slot, and
the Optiplex is also snotty about only putting vid cards in
the x16 slot.

https://www.newegg.com/syba-model-sd-pex20139-pci-express-to-usb-card/p/N82E16815124120

That card-clamp (screwless) on the 780 is the hardest part of the exercise.
Should work fine, as long as the card-clamp is not damaged. The
retention with screws, works so much better...

You would unplug the 780 from the wall, so that there's no
power in the slots. Then insert the card. Put the faceplate
clamp back in place. Power up machine, if there is a mini-CD
in the box that came with the card, install the drivers
from there. For Windows 10 or Windows 11, the OS can fetch
its own driver. For Windows 7, you use the CD in the box.

If the card is properly seated, you won't be able to see
the gold, shining off the pins on the edgecard.

If you use WinPE 5 or WinPE 10 when making Macrium Rescue media,
there should be drivers for the USB3 in there, and no
need to add drivers manually to the Macrium Rescue build.

You can make new media, and there's a good chance it will
work on the 780 and the 8500, as they would both likely
support legacy (MSDOS) boot.

As far as boot processes, the 780 does not normally look
at cards like that. You could not boot a Linux Live USB
stick from the new card. But once any OS is running (including
Macrium), the card should then work. In a sense, it is a
"data card", which works once any kind of OS is booted.
Even Linux will recognize those cards, once Linux is running.

The four pin Molex power on the card, is "optional". For
high power loads, such as charging your iPad while the Optiplex
is running, then you might connect a power cable to it. But
if running the data cable from a self contained (wall powered)
disk enclosure like you are using, the converter on the card
will make some +5V for USB VBUS, from +12V on the PCI Express
edgecard. When using these sorts of cards here (I have a couple),
I've never connected any 4 pin Molex optional or 15 pin SATA power
optional inputs and it works fine. Mind you, I don't charge iPads
or iPhones either :-) They might be on the order of 2 amps or so,
as an electrical load. I don't know whether the iPad is clever
enough to not overload a USB2 port (which would not have enough
charging current for heavy loads anyway).

I don't know if I've ever seen a transfer rate that matches
any baloney written on the cardboard box. The Optiplex 780 might
be PCI Express Rev 1.1 (250MB/sec) in the small black slot.
With your enclosure, it should do on the order of 200MB/sec.
Versus the 30-35MB/sec of a USB2 port. You can see in my picture
here, the two OSes don't give exactly the same result, and I believe
the transfer rate is actually identical and the math is wrong.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/9FrNY7kx/Benchmarking-Renesas-USB3-PCIe11.gif

Paul

>> Don't see the OP but +1 for FreeFileSync
>>
>> Using it for years to back up to external USB HDDs.
>>
> Thanks for the recommendation. (I was initially put off by the
> bidirectional arrow on the Synchronise button, but I now see it has a
> mirror mode. Though only the video tutorial mentions - and that only in
> passing - the deletion of files on the target, which I'd want.)
>
> It looks good: any thoughts (ideally from people who've used both) on
> how it varies - for mirror mode use, i. e. ending up with an exact copy,
> including deletions and renames - from the old Microsoft (Russinovitch,
> I think) SyncToy? (Which I now see is no longer available from MS, but
> the last version [2.1] is at
> https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/microsoft_synctoy_for_windows_xp.html [ignore the xp in the URL, it's actually 11/10/8/7 according to the actual page].)

I've used SyncToy but at that time my external drives were much smaller,
and I don't remember whether it gave me a full preview of the files that
it planned to sync. It was also Windows only, so I had to abandon it at
the moment that I migrated my tree to Gramps running in Linux.

I use Linux and Windows 10 and 11 in multi boot configurations, and
because I often change files on either, I use the two way sync, with an
external hard drive formatted as NTFS. This means that any change made
in Linux, will make it to Windows via that external drive and vice versa.

And when I change the same file on both sides between sync sessions, the
program will also warn me about a possible conflict, and let me choose
what to do.

Enno
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On 11/2/2023 8:53 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Would it be possible to add RAMM to the 780?
> Are the black slots at the top for RAMM ?
>
> https://postimg.cc/gXBCMmbF
>
> If so how much would they cost and what kind?
> I would have to wait till the end of the month to do
> this.
>
> What do you think?
> Robert
>

If you have 8GB in there, I don't know if more
is going to help. It all depends what whizzy
project you have in mind.

The machine takes up to 4x4GB sticks of DDR3.
When you install 16GB, the address space in the
chipset isn't big enough for it all. It registers
around 14.9GB or less. The video card VRAM comes
out of the same address space, so the amount
of DRAM that registers with Windows, is 16GB - vidcard
minus a little bit.

DDR3 is now out of production. DDR4 and DDR5 are
still being made, but I expect DDR4 will fade out
before too long. The industry is on a belt-tightening
spree, and no stupidities are off the table when it
comes to the stopping of manufacturing.

You don't have to buy at Crucial and there is nothing
special about the RAM. The thing to note here, is
the "Crucial 4GB DDR3L-1600 UDIMM" part. These are slightly
lower voltage DIMMs, which are backward compatible with the
Optiplex. The DIMMs are CL=11 at 1600. The Optiplex runs
at 1066. 11*1066/1600 ==> CL=7 so they will run at CAS 7.

https://www.crucial.com/compatible-upgrade-for/dell/optiplex-780-desktop

Isn't it sad, when the only stock of an American product,
is in China ??? This is what shutting down DDR3 production
has done.

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-8gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820156050

Paul

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 08:23:47 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote in soc.genealogy.computing:

>How easy is it to get 7Zip to work from a batch file?

"C:\Program Files\7-Zip\7z" a -r target.zip C:\...source\*.*

using the relevant place where is the 7z.exe software,
source to be zipped and result file.

"" required because my 7z.exe is in a directory with a
blank in its name.

Denis

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On 11/2/2023 9:20 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> We've moved the bookmarks and 'My Documents'
> to the 780 and installed Word and Excel, and created
> a simple volume of the 6TB external HD so it's now
> functional, all with your good help.
>
> I'm not forgetting your elegant solution for the start
> switch for the 8500 with no soldering! I hid the switch
> behind a faux optical drive panel so it keeps it clean and
> out of sight. Now it starts all the time.
>
> Before we may get cut off, I want to say thank you for
> all you've done. You've helped me allot over the years
> and built my entire backup system and helped me select
> the 780.
>
> What do you think about upgrading the 780 RAMM and
> USB ports from 2:0 to 3.0? Is it possible?
>
> What do you recommend I do at this point?
>
> Many Thanks for all your good help,
> Robert

Past a certain point, RAM is only useful for certain kinds
of projects.

When your browser "goes nuts", it can use 3GB of RAM. This
means, that maybe 4GB would be a minimum amount of RAM for
the Optiplex. Even though this is not a good usage of the
RAM particularly (it's a bug, not a feature), that would be
an example of a planning exercise.

Windows Update, when new updates were available, a minimum
amount of RAM might have helped that. Some uses by the OS,
would benefit from 2GB to 3GB, even though the amount
written on the box is 1GB minimum. It needs a bit more
than that, to work well.

But when it comes to RAM amounts between 4GB and 16GB.
adding more RAM is "planning for an uncertain future",
but in terms of "feeling some benefit right away",
there is a very good chance you would not get "$38 of fun"
from it :-) I do not want to set your expectations too high
on this. You put in the extra RAM (I have done this), and
the feeling is... no change. Not a bit of change.

And the Optiplex 780 is clever, and it won't switch up to
DDR3-1333 rates when there is an opportunity to do it either.
This is part of the reason there is no "fun factor" involved
here.

The USB3 card, the benefit of that is tangible, in that
your backups should run faster. Note that some modern
drives, do run pretty fast. For example, the monster-sized
drives for sale (the ones that are too expensive for mere
humans to own), those transfer at 291MB/sec. I have a number
of fairly rubbish drives here, that do 150MB/sec on the
outer edge of the platter. The new USB3 card, at an actual
rate of 200MB/sec, is in the ballpark, but if you had
a $700 hard drive, that still would not be fast enough.
(Nothing bad happens, but the drive could have gone faster still.)
Only by placing the USB3 card in the video slot, could
the Optiplex do better, and I'm not sure the Dell will
even allow that. The Dell BIOS is funky (a 1970s term),
to say the least :-)

Paul

Op 28-07-2023 om 08:46 schreef Steve Hayes:

> I use a thing called AllwaySync, which as far as I can see does much
> the same thing. I use it to back up certain directories to an external
> hard drive.
>
> I'm not sure how well it would work for copying working files from one
> computer to another and back again.

I'm not either, but I do know that FreeFileSync does that quite well,
even between Linux and Windows, using external drives, or Google Drive,
and maybe some other cloud services too.

I like it, because it has the same UI on Linux and Windows, and because
the free version has no limits on the amount of files or GB's that you
can synchronize. This means that you know what it can handle before you
decide to donate.

I have more than 70,000 files in my home folder, and the program can
handle those easily.

Regards,

Enno
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You would use the PCI Express black slot at the bottom of the Optiplex 780

Are you talking about the card where the fan is?

I thought that was my video card? I seem to remember you selected that card
for me.

I don't use any ipads or iphones,.. in fact my phone is the old fashion
landline type.

I don't really have any projects in mind I just thinking of upgrading if you think
it would help or because I may not be able to later on because of scarcity of available
parts but as you say I won't see any real improvement. I always thought more RAMM
made browsing faster?

It is sad all of our jobs and manufacturing has been off-shored to China
and elsewhere and they've been stealing our intellectual property for decades.
What's even more shocking is we let them get away with it. We built China's
military complex.

So should I just stay with just what I have on the 780? and not mess with it?
It sounds like I shouldn't and should leave well enough alone. I don't want to be
messing around with the 780 Bios for 3.0.

The mrimg backups for the 8500 usually take about 3 1/2 hours because I have so
much data in My Documents.

One last problem, I have a 8GB Sandisk with a folder I want to cut/paste to get the
files off so I can re-use the disk but it doesn't let me where before it had? All it lets
me do now is copy/paste. So how can I delete the folder? I have a 32 GB Sandisk that
I can cut/paste with no problem.

Thanks,
Robert

In message <ua0b10$286oe$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 28 Jul 2023 14:06:56,
Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gmail.com> writes
>>> Don't see the OP but +1 for FreeFileSync
>>>
>>> Using it for years to back up to external USB HDDs.
>>>
>> Thanks for the recommendation. (I was initially put off by the
[]
>> It looks good: any thoughts (ideally from people who've used both)
>>on how it varies - for mirror mode use, i. e. ending up with an exact
>>copy, including deletions and renames - from the old Microsoft
>>(Russinovitch, I think) SyncToy? (Which I now see is no longer
[]
>I've used SyncToy but at that time my external drives were much
>smaller, and I don't remember whether it gave me a full preview of the
>files that it planned to sync. It was also Windows only, so I had to
>abandon it at the moment that I migrated my tree to Gramps running in
>Linux.
[]
Thanks all for the recommendation. I did suspect SyncToy wasn't always
copying everything (I haven't installed either on this machine yet -
I've just been using explorer, and copying everything). I've had a look
at the FreeFileSync website, and it _looks_ somewhat more informative
than SyncToy, so I'll give it a go next time I do a backup. (Obviously
it won't save any time the first time.)
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I checked and the folder is read only so how do I change it so I
can cut/paste it or delete it so I can free up space on the Sandisk?

I also checked the 780 and it only has 4GB of RAM, so maybe adding
more wouldn't hurt? I can also do the 3.0. but which PCI connector is
it again? I don't see a back PCI at the bottom except for the small one
below the two white ones. Is that the one you mean?

At the top are two black slots for RAM correct?

https://postimg.cc/njvyX9xC

Robert

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 11:20:18 +0200, john
<john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:

>On 28/07/2023 08:23, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 13:50:29 +0200, john
>> <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/07/2023 08:21, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>>> I do that with a lot of the files, all in the same batch files. But
>>>> for those I use MS DOS PkZip or ARJ from the command line, and they
>>>> can only cope with 8:3 file names. The RootsMagic data file has a
>>>> four-letter extension, and so won't copy or compress like that.
>>
>>> Why not use the modern free archive program 7-Zip which does not have
>>> those filename limitations. It allows splitting the archive
>>> automatically into volumes of 10Mb, which should copy without the
>>> problems you have noticed, and then to put them back together when you
>>> open the archive.
>>
>> How easy is it to get 7Zip to work from a batch file?
>
>plenty of help and examples on the internet e.g.
>https://www.dotnetperls.com/7-zip-examples
>https://www.get-itsolutions.com/script-to-zip-file-using-cmd-batch-file/
>https://7ziphelp.com/7zip-command-line

Thank you!

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http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
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I went and ordered the PCI card and RAM
so that would give me 12GB of RAM in the
780. The same as the 8500.

Robert

On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:21:27 +0200, Steve Hayes
<hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

>I use a USB flash drive to transfer my working data files between by
>dsktop computer (running Windows XP) and my laptop computer (running
>Windows 7.
>
>I used to do most of this this using Dropbox, but Dropbox stopped
>working on Windows XP, so I've done it with a flash drive since then.
>
>Recently, however, one of my data files, for the Rootsmagic genealogy
>program, started getting corrupted in the transfer.
>
>This is the command I use to transfer it from the flash drive to the
>desktop computer (which runs WinXP):
>
>XXCOPY J:\Dropbox\*.* G:\Stevedoc\Dropbox\ /BN /s /y
>
>Where J: is the flash drive and G: is a hard drive on my computer.
>
>That command is part of a batch file which I run every time I need to
>transfer the files. I use similar commands copy files to the flash
>drive.
>
>When the Rootsmagic V7 data file reached 100 Mb, however, it started
>being corrupted.
>
>It seems to be corrupted only when copying from the flash drive to the
>hard drive, on both computers. It does not seem to be corrupted when
>copying from the hard drive to the flash drive. When I notice it is
>corrupted, I copy it manually, using FlashCommander, and that seems to
>copy the file without corruption.
>
>Does anyone know of any limitation of both XXCOPY and ROBOCOPY that
>would cause them to produce errors when copying files over 100 Mb?
>
>Or could the problem be in the use of the command in a batch file, so
>that the batch file tries to run the next command before the computer
>has finished copying the file to the hard drive? If so, is there way
>of delaying it until the copying is finished?

After more playing around with this, it seems that the problem may not
lie with the copying programs, but with RootsMagic itself.

So here is a restatement of the problem:

I frequently have to copy my RM data file from my desktop computer
(running Windows XP) and my laptop computer (running Windows 7).

A while back the file reached the size of 100 Mb, and I began to have
problems with the copying, which I do with XXCOPY on the XP machine
and Robocopy on the Win 7 machine.

I copy the files to a USB flash drive, along with several other files,
using a batch file. But when the data file is copies from the flash
drive to the XP computer, when I try to open it, it reports that the
data file is malformed.

When I look at it with the File Commander program (which compares
files in different directories and allows one to copy them etc) it
shows that the data file has been truncated to 100Mb on the XP
machine, but on the flash drive it is shown as the original size. I
manually copy it again, using File Commander, and then RM 6 or RM 7
opens it OK.

At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.

Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
overcome it?

(Follow-ups reset)

--
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http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com
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While I was relating my problem with the Sandisk
I realized I had no way of reading them on the 780.
Is there a PCI card I can get or a device that will plug
in to the USB port with Sandisk slots that I can use?

https://postimg.cc/gXBCMmbF

Robert

On 29/07/2023 05:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:21:27 +0200, Steve Hayes

big snip

>
> So here is a restatement of the problem:
>
> I frequently have to copy my RM data file from my desktop computer
> (running Windows XP) and my laptop computer (running Windows 7).
>
> A while back the file reached the size of 100 Mb, and I began to have
> problems with the copying, which I do with XXCOPY on the XP machine
> and Robocopy on the Win 7 machine.
>
> I copy the files to a USB flash drive, along with several other files,
> using a batch file. But when the data file is copies from the flash
> drive to the XP computer, when I try to open it, it reports that the
> data file is malformed.
>
> When I look at it with the File Commander program (which compares
> files in different directories and allows one to copy them etc) it
> shows that the data file has been truncated to 100Mb on the XP
> machine, but on the flash drive it is shown as the original size. I
> manually copy it again, using File Commander, and then RM 6 or RM 7
> opens it OK.
>
> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
>
> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
> overcome it?
>
> (Follow-ups reset)
>
>

Trying to find solutions for problems for software which is over 10
years old is difficult, especially without full information.

An exact copy of the RM error message and any possible error code might
help in identifying the problem (is it the same for both RM6 and RM7?)

Have you updated to the latest versions of your copying software?
Robocopy is available for WinXP (but you will need to get it from a copy
of Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit)

Are your versions of WinXP and Win 7 fully patched to the final versions?

Are you running the final version of RM on WinXP (is it the RM full
version or Essentials?)

Do you run the RM database integrity checks and re-index the database
routinely?

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I also wanted to let you know that recently
whenever I post a message I get a pop-up asking
if I'm a robot? So maybe I am being flagged
and that's why you can't see my posts?

https://postimg.cc/1gXB6MGk

This never happened before when I posted.

Robert

Op 29-07-2023 om 04:08 schreef J. P. Gilliver:

> Thanks all for the recommendation. I did suspect SyncToy wasn't always
> copying everything (I haven't installed either on this machine yet -
> I've just been using explorer, and copying everything). I've had a look
> at the FreeFileSync website, and it _looks_ somewhat more informative
> than SyncToy, so I'll give it a go next time I do a backup. (Obviously
> it won't save any time the first time.)

Well, I think that it will, if you copied everything with explorer. And
that is, because at its 1st run, it will compare timestamps and sizes,
and assume that all files with equal sizes and timestamps are the same,
and also assume that files with newer timestamps should overwrite older
ones. It will also assume that files that don't exist on either side
need to be copied from the other (in two-way mode).

When synchronization is done, names, sizes, and timestamps are saved in
a hidden database file, so that the program can detect deletions, and
files that have changed on both sides between sessions.

Note that timestamps may differ when you have a FAT file system on one
side, because that doesn't know anything about daylight savings. In such
a case you may see lots of files with a 1 hour difference, and if you
want, the program can correct for that too.

Regards,

Enno
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On 11/5/2023 11:39 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I went and ordered the PCI card and RAM
> so that would give me 12GB of RAM in the
> 780. The same as the 8500.
>
> Robert
>

You want the RAM to be dual channel configured,
for best performance.

I presume your proposed upgrade, looks like this.

CH0 CH1

2GB 2GB <=== DIMMS in same-colored slots
4GB 4GB

If so, that should be a good configuration. That
should do well on any dual channel motherboard with
four slots like that.

Intel has Flex Memory support, on some of its hardware,
and the Optiplex might have that. When a box has
Flex Memory, you can do this for dual channel

CH0 CH1

2GB 4GB Flex Memory works with balanced channel totals...
2GB ---

The confirmation the Q45 can do this (Optiplex 780),
is on page 527 here, in the "13.2 System Memory Controller" section.

You don't have to stare at all those blasted tables :-) Section
13.2.1.2.2 has the keyword that it is there.

https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/datasheets/4-chipset-family-datasheet.pdf

The absolute best mode, is to use identical sticks with
as many pages open as possible in the RAM. The sticks to
do this, haven't been for sale for a long time. The higher
capacity DIMMs you can buy today, mean you can't get
absolutely the max number of ranks and banks and so on.
But even with single sided RAM, this is pretty good.
The memory controller alternates between banks, as
it rises through the address map. If you were a comp.sci
guy, you would write a C program and test the "stride" to figure
out which address bit is the "pivot" for the bank alternation.

CH0 CH1

4GB 4GB <=== DIMMS in same-colored slots
4GB 4GB

This one might be 0.5% lower performance (a definite "Who Cares").

CH0 CH1

2GB 2GB <=== DIMMS in same-colored slots
4GB 4GB

I couldn't guess whether the following has an impact on page policy.
I'd need to run memory tests to try and spot a difference.

CH0 CH1

2GB 4GB Flex Memory works with balanced channel totals...
2GB ---

What really would have helped, is if the machine supported 1333
operation. I think the chipset actually can do that, but the
BIOS isn't set up for that. The machine has a series of
FSB:RAM ratios and companies like Asus and Gigabyte do researches
in the lab to find "missing modes" not in the documents and they
enable them (as long as they're stable). That is how some
of these things were discovered. When using 1333 mode, the
build-in graphics (which you aren't using), would feel "snappy".
On machines with integrated graphics, that's how we seek to
convince a customer their graphics upgrade was "worth it". It's
hard to convince them, otherwise.

That's a little background info.

If you saw an 8GB stick for sale, that might be two 4GB Ranks (2R)
and consequently not a "high density" issue. The 4GB sticks
could be single sided (1R) or double sided (2R), and while
the 2R would give you more open pages, at this point in time,
with the poor availability of stock, is not the time to be
sorting through the pile, for stuff that no longer exists.

I noticed on benches, that if you have the fully symmetric setup,
and you compare your platform to someone elses, you might get 1% more
without overclocking. But 1% isn't something you can feel, so
we are strongly in "dont care" country, when it comes to fussing
over it. The 1333 would have been a "care" case, but the BIOS
just doesn't have the mode for that. I googled, and people make
claims they've done it, but there is absolutely no confirmation
info (a CPU-Z screenshot) to prove any such thing. Any one who was
clever enough to have done it, would have screen shots :-)

Paul