In message <ua36sm$2kmit$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 29 Jul 2023 16:14:46,
Enno Borgsteede <ennoborg@gmail.com> writes
>Op 29-07-2023 om 04:08 schreef J. P. Gilliver:
>
>> Thanks all for the recommendation. I did suspect SyncToy wasn't
>>always copying everything (I haven't installed either on this machine
>>yet - I've just been using explorer, and copying everything). I've
>>had a look at the FreeFileSync website, and it _looks_ somewhat more
>>informative than SyncToy, so I'll give it a go next time I do a
>>backup. (Obviously it won't save any time the first time.)
>
>Well, I think that it will, if you copied everything with explorer. And
>that is, because at its 1st run, it will compare timestamps and sizes,
>and assume that all files with equal sizes and timestamps are the same,
>and also assume that files with newer timestamps should overwrite older
>ones. It will also assume that files that don't exist on either side

The first time, there won't be anything in the destination.

>need to be copied from the other (in two-way mode).

You're worrying me talking about "either side" and "two-way mode" - but
I think probably unnecessarily. I just want a copy, with no chance of
anything changing the source side. But I think selecting mirror mode
will do that.
>
>When synchronization is done, names, sizes, and timestamps are saved in
>a hidden database file, so that the program can detect deletions, and
>files that have changed on both sides between sessions.

That will certainly change things on the second and subsequent backups.
>
>Note that timestamps may differ when you have a FAT file system on one
>side, because that doesn't know anything about daylight savings. In
>such a case you may see lots of files with a 1 hour difference, and if
>you want, the program can correct for that too.

Useful to know. I _think_ I have NTFS on both my internal and external
HDs. (Certainly on the internal, as "Everything" works well, and IIRR it
either doesn't work at all, or works very slowly, on FAT.)
[]
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On 11/5/2023 9:31 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> You would use the PCI Express black slot at the bottom of the Optiplex 780
>
> Are you talking about the card where the fan is?
>
> I thought that was my video card? I seem to remember you selected that card
> for me.
>
> I don't use any ipads or iphones,.. in fact my phone is the old fashion
> landline type.
>
> I don't really have any projects in mind I just thinking of upgrading if you think
> it would help or because I may not be able to later on because of scarcity of available
> parts but as you say I won't see any real improvement. I always thought more RAMM
> made browsing faster?
>
> It is sad all of our jobs and manufacturing has been off-shored to China
> and elsewhere and they've been stealing our intellectual property for decades.
> What's even more shocking is we let them get away with it. We built China's
> military complex.
>
> So should I just stay with just what I have on the 780? and not mess with it?
> It sounds like I shouldn't and should leave well enough alone. I don't want to be
> messing around with the 780 Bios for 3.0.
>
> The mrimg backups for the 8500 usually take about 3 1/2 hours because I have so
> much data in My Documents.
>
> One last problem, I have a 8GB Sandisk with a folder I want to cut/paste to get the
> files off so I can re-use the disk but it doesn't let me where before it had? All it lets
> me do now is copy/paste. So how can I delete the folder? I have a 32 GB Sandisk that
> I can cut/paste with no problem.
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>

Your slot layout should be like this.

Black PCIE x16 <=== video card, top slot, very fastest slot in the machine.
PCI 33MHz 32bit white
PCI 33MHz 32bit white
Black PCIE x1 Rev1.1 <=== PCI Express x1 USB3 card goes here (200MB/sec).
This slot is all the way down at the bottom, on a Desktop 780.
This slot is faster than a white slot.

It's a worthwhile upgrade.

And if you can get the RAM, pop it in. One reason I have
useless RAM in a machine, is I think up ways to use it :-)
Excuses, if you will :-) I use RAM for a RAMDisk and put
temporary files in it, while I work. If the power goes off ?
Boom. I will have regrets. You don't store long-term stuff
in there. But it's great if you're unpacking a Firefox source
tarball, and don't want to beat up a regular storage device
doing it.

With 12GB of RAM in the machine, a browser would only use all
of it, if some bug was at play in the code. You will remember the
Yahoo News page, it was a pig, and it used 1GB for a single tab.
Many other pages don't use that much.

*******

Your USB stick may have gone Read-only ?

Are you able to store fresh folders of content on it ?

Here, I am checking for a USB stick that is Read-only.
No, I don't know how to fix it :-) Mine is still write-able
at the device level.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/RhvdcVd7/checking-for-read-only-on-USB.gif

It could be a permissions issue, if you are using your *non* administrator
account. For accounts that belong to the administrator group (UAC, elevation),
they will do an implicit TakeOwn to solve permissions problems.

Paul

On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 13:44:50 +0200, john
<john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:

>On 29/07/2023 05:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:21:27 +0200, Steve Hayes
>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
>>
>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
>> overcome it?
>
>Trying to find solutions for problems for software which is over 10
>years old is difficult, especially without full information.
>
>An exact copy of the RM error message and any possible error code might
>help in identifying the problem (is it the same for both RM6 and RM7?)

RM7 Error Message:

Application Error

Exception ESQLite3 in module Rootsmagic.exe at 00064907
SQLite error 11 - database disk image is malformed.

RM6 Error Message

Rootsmagic has encountered an unexpected error.
SQLite error 11 - database disk image is malformed.

>Have you updated to the latest versions of your copying software?
>Robocopy is available for WinXP (but you will need to get it from a copy
>of Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit)
>
>Are your versions of WinXP and Win 7 fully patched to the final versions?

I'm pretty sure they are.

>Are you running the final version of RM on WinXP (is it the RM full
>version or Essentials?)

It is the final full version in both RM6 & RM 7.

>Do you run the RM database integrity checks and re-index the database
>routinely?

Yes, usually with RM6, which does it faster in both Win XP and Win 7.

Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
strange behaviour.

--
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On 11/5/2023 8:51 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I also wanted to let you know that recently
> whenever I post a message I get a pop-up asking
> if I'm a robot? So maybe I am being flagged
> and that's why you can't see my posts?
>
> https://postimg.cc/1gXB6MGk
>
> This never happened before when I posted.
>
> Robert
>

Google. The gift that keeps on giving.

Sometimes I wonder what the Google staff do for a living :-/

Google groups has quite a spamming problem, so I suppose most
of their posts are spam now (by volume). They should get their
AI ("Bard") on the case, to sort it out for them.

*******

I got lucky, and found a hint about your problem, here.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cui8tcr%244epd%241%40dont-email.me%3E

"and, in addition, now Google Groups is requiring a CAPTCHA <===
to post to any other group."

That's why you're seeing the robot box. It is a policy to attempt
to control the flood.

Paul

On 31/07/2023 13:05, Steve Hayes wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 13:44:50 +0200, john
> <john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 29/07/2023 05:56, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 06:21:27 +0200, Steve Hayes
>>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
>>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
>>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
>>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
>>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
>>> overcome it?
>>
>> Trying to find solutions for problems for software which is over 10
>> years old is difficult, especially without full information.
>>
>> An exact copy of the RM error message and any possible error code might
>> help in identifying the problem (is it the same for both RM6 and RM7?)
>
> RM7 Error Message:
>
> Application Error
>
> Exception ESQLite3 in module Rootsmagic.exe at 00064907
> SQLite error 11 - database disk image is malformed.
>
> RM6 Error Message
>
> Rootsmagic has encountered an unexpected error.
> SQLite error 11 - database disk image is malformed.
>
>> Have you updated to the latest versions of your copying software?
>> Robocopy is available for WinXP (but you will need to get it from a copy
>> of Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit)
>>
>> Are your versions of WinXP and Win 7 fully patched to the final versions?
>
> I'm pretty sure they are.
>
>> Are you running the final version of RM on WinXP (is it the RM full
>> version or Essentials?)
>
> It is the final full version in both RM6 & RM 7.
>
>> Do you run the RM database integrity checks and re-index the database
>> routinely?
>
> Yes, usually with RM6, which does it faster in both Win XP and Win 7.
>
> Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
> strange behaviour.
>
>

"Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
strange behaviour" does seem to imply there is a corruption which you
may be perpetuating

If you haven't already done so, it would be sensible to create a new
database and to try copying that.

see the para on "Backups may not help" in
https://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.com/corrupt-database-recovery/ and then
for some suggestions on building a new database from your existing database

.
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To be honest, I didn't think about the configuration when I ordered
the RAM from your link you gave. I just assumed everything
would be OK and there's only 2 PCI slots for RAM that I can use.

These are what I ordered:

https://www.newegg.com/crucial-8gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820156050

Here's my 780 specs:

https://postimg.cc/XZz4JJgf

inside the 780

https://postimg.cc/njvyX9xC

Robert

Hello Steve,

>>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
>>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
>>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
>>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
>>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
>>> overcome it?

At first sight, I would also think that it's a problem caused by using
an old RM version on an old Windows, but when I test this combination
here, running RM 7 Essentials on Windows XP on a virtual machine, inside
Linux, after importing a 300,000 person GEDCOM, which creates a RMGC
file of 222.5 MB, I see no error or truncation, so it looks like there
is some issue with your desktop that I can't simulate here.

Have you tried the RootsMagic community forum?

https://community.rootsmagic.com/

I'm on that forum myself too, and it works quite well.

Regards,

Enno
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Yes, I understand the black PCI slot now and the the 3.0 port
will actually be in the rear not the front because you mention the
card clamp.

I don't know if you remember that time with the 8200 and I had a
maleware problem and you advised me go to this certain maleware
group dealing with it. Well anyways, the guy there who helped me
suggested I max out the RAM. So that's the reason I maxed the 8500
out on RAM when I bought it and ironically the only way I could get the
12 GB of RAM was with Win 7 Professional. Otherwise I would of gotten
Win 8 instead.

I don't understand how my SanDisk could go read-only? My other one
is fine and I can cut/paste it.

I can use it but I haven't been since I can't cut/paste anymore with it.
I've done this allot on the User account, it just went weird on me.

Robert

On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 11:54:37 AM UTC-7, Enno Borgsteede wrote:
> Hello Steve,
> >>> At first I thought the problem was with the copying programs, but it
> >>> appears that it is not. The file is copied just fine, but the first
> >>> time I try to open it RM (6 or 7) on the XP computer it seems to
> >>> truncate it to 100Mb and then reports it as malformed. But when I
> >>> manually copy it a second time, it seems to open it correctly.
> >>>
> >>> Any suggestions about what might be causing such a problem, and how to
> >>> overcome it?
> At first sight, I would also think that it's a problem caused by using
> an old RM version on an old Windows, but when I test this combination
> here, running RM 7 Essentials on Windows XP on a virtual machine, inside
> Linux, after importing a 300,000 person GEDCOM, which creates a RMGC
> file of 222.5 MB, I see no error or truncation, so it looks like there
> is some issue with your desktop that I can't simulate here.
>
> Have you tried the RootsMagic community forum?
>
> https://community.rootsmagic.com/
>
> I'm on that forum myself too, and it works quite well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Enno
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I see there's lots of SD card readers with USB connection
but is there any you would recommend?

Thanks,
Robert

On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 14:00:43 +0200, john
<john1@s145802280.onlinehome.fr> wrote:

>On 31/07/2023 13:05, Steve Hayes wrote:
>>> Do you run the RM database integrity checks and re-index the database
>>> routinely?
>>
>> Yes, usually with RM6, which does it faster in both Win XP and Win 7.
>>
>> Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
>> strange behaviour.
>>
>>
>
>"Also doing it in Win 7, as well as taking longer it also produces some
>strange behaviour" does seem to imply there is a corruption which you
>may be perpetuating

Except that in recopying the file with File Commander the corruption
seems to disappear and the file opens normally again.

I use RM with Win 7 on the laptop because RM6 no longer accesses
FamilySearch on any platform, and on the XP computer access comes and
goes -- some features of FamilySearch (at the moment Search) stop
working for a while, then they come back).

See here:
<https://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/2023/02/farewell-to-familysearch.html>

But on the Win 7 laptop I use a more recent and therefore more bloated
version of the Firefox browswer, which hogs memory, is much slower,
and sometimes takes 5 minutes or more to load a page, but I continue
to use it because some websites (like FamilySearch) don't work, or
work eratically, on older and more compact browsers). I suspect that
some of the erros I get with RM7 are because I run it with Firefox to
access FamilySearch, and it hogs disk access. Firefox not only takes 5
minutes or longer to load, it seems to take just as long to unload,
and I suspect that that is what may be causing the weird behaviour of
RM 7 when I try to run the integrity check. I wish someone would
produce a Firefox Lite, which just does basic browsing without the
bells and whistles.

>If you haven't already done so, it would be sensible to create a new
>database and to try copying that.
>
>see the para on "Backups may not help" in
>https://sqlitetoolsforrootsmagic.com/corrupt-database-recovery/ and then
>for some suggestions on building a new database from your existing database

Thanks, I'll check that.

Gedcom export/import?

--
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Should I defrag the computer using system tools? I
haven't done it in quite awhile

I would appreciate it if you could briefly take a look
at the folders/files on my Patriot sticks to see if I
should keep any or delete them?

# 1 Patriot
seems to be my bookmarks and an ISO for creating Rescue CD's (2022)

https://postimg.cc/ykYkGwHD

#2 Patriot

780 Rescue Disk - another ISO, Autoruns., Boot, Drivers, EFI -
has the same boot screens as in Boot folder, (mrimg, backup, clone) are
your instructions you gave me previously. SequioaView, Sources - boot-wim,
Autoruns, misc files,..

https://postimg.cc/k6m5vHsX

Inside Boot folder

https://postimg.cc/v4ZfW4BS

#3 Patriot
Agent Ransack and misc files, most seem related to SequioaView
https://postimg.cc/CZV03qqc

Also I can't seem to find my instructions for creating Rescue CD's.
Could you please provide them again for me? Also how do I create
a Rescue CD from an ISO?

Thanks,
Robert

On 11/6/2023 8:03 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> To be honest, I didn't think about the configuration when I ordered
> the RAM from your link you gave. I just assumed everything
> would be OK and there's only 2 PCI slots for RAM that I can use.
>
> These are what I ordered:
>
> https://www.newegg.com/crucial-8gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820156050
>
> Here's my 780 specs:
>
> https://postimg.cc/XZz4JJgf
>
> inside the 780
>
> https://postimg.cc/njvyX9xC
>
> Robert

You have two white slots, and you've purchased two DIMMs.
The DIMMs are DDR3. Looks good.

Make sure the alignment slot is turned the right way, to
match the key in the slot. That's how you tell whether the
front and the back are pointed in the right direction.

PC power should be off while doing the RAM install. If you have
a power strip, and switch off the power with the switch, normally
the safety ground would be left connected. Otherwise, don't worry about
the details, just bring yourself to the same electrostatic potential
as the chassis, when inserting the RAM. You can also do that with an
ESD strap (a wrist strap with a 1 megohm series resistance to the
other end of the strap). One end of the ESD strap can go to "chassis",
any metal will do, the strap goes around your wrist, and now you're
at the same ESD potential as the machine.

Seating the DIMM is sometimes problematic, and requires some fiddling
to get it to seat. As long as the slot in the middle of the DIMM,
aligns with the key in the slot, such that the key fits into the slot,
eventually it will be seated (thumb pressure downwards). The latch
on the end, should end up in the upright position. The way the bottom
edge is finished, determines the seating pressure required. A well ground
edge on the DIMM, makes it easy to seat. I've had some with a very
stupid edge profile, they were "blunt" and they took tremendous
pressure to seat. I used a piece of wood (carefully), to get enough
downward force for it to snap into place. That should normally
not be required, that much force.

No gold should be seen peeking over the socket. If it is properly
seated, the gold will be below the plastic socket.

Put the machine back together, remove your clip, restore power,
and ideally your first test would be memtest CD. Normally, you
want to verify the RAM is good, so it does not cause a corruption
of Windows (if you boot Windows as your first test). You can verify
your Memtest skills, before the new RAM arrives, and your ability
to get the CD booted and so on.

Paul

On 11/7/2023 10:31 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Should I defrag the computer using system tools? I
> haven't done it in quite awhile
>
> I would appreciate it if you could briefly take a look
> at the folders/files on my Patriot sticks to see if I
> should keep any or delete them?
>
> # 1 Patriot
> seems to be my bookmarks and an ISO for creating Rescue CD's (2022)
>
> https://postimg.cc/ykYkGwHD

The rescue.iso is only of value, if you need to burn some sort of media.
If you've already made a CD from that, that would normally be enough
to get the job done, with no additional fuss. I keep some of those
files around, for running in a virtual machine, for test, but that's about
it for those.

>
> #2 Patriot
>
> 780 Rescue Disk - another ISO, Autoruns., Boot, Drivers, EFI -
> has the same boot screens as in Boot folder, (mrimg, backup, clone) are
> your instructions you gave me previously. SequioaView, Sources - boot-wim,
> Autoruns, misc files,..
>
> https://postimg.cc/k6m5vHsX
>
> Inside Boot folder
>
> https://postimg.cc/v4ZfW4BS

You might boot some computer with this, when you want Macrium to run,
as if it was a Macrium CD.

>
> #3 Patriot
> Agent Ransack and misc files, most seem related to SequioaView
>
> https://postimg.cc/CZV03qqc
>

That's an "application stick", rather than a boot stick. You could
probably recycle that and use it for something else.

>
> Also I can't seem to find my instructions for creating Rescue CD's.
> Could you please provide them again for me? Also how do I create
> a Rescue CD from an ISO?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert

This shows the usage of "Imgburn" to burn a CD.

The idea is, you right-click the ISO file you want
placed on a CD, and Imgburn makes itself a default choice.

https://i.postimg.cc/2rBMhX6k/burn-iso-win7-to-CD.gif

Once Imgburn opens, it should open in the mode to burn an ISO.
(That's why you used the right-click method of starting it,
to get the mode selected.)

You can tick Verify, so it writes the CD, then reads it
back and verifies a good burn. This is more important for
rewriteable media.

Paul

I thought I lost you ! whew!
I haven't got the RAM yet but I have the PCI 3.0 card
and will install both when I get the RAM. I thought it
would be here by now.

So the white slots are for the RAM? OK, got it.
Yes, I noticed the slot in the RAM when I bought it
and on the white slots. so it should be easy What are
the two large black slots at the top for? and just out of
curiosity what are the blue and red things on the right
side?

Inside 780:

https://postimg.cc/XXVDW6sz

I'll un-plug the 780 and remove all the connections
before I open it. I do have a strap, again thanks to you.
I'll run a memtest CD after I power it back up.

I think I'll skip the SD read only disk problem,.... I have enough
on my plate. I'll just buy another SD disk and I have others that
work fine.

It's true the 780 doesn't have a card reader on the front
but there are two empty face plates, one is normal size but
the other one is smaller. However, I like the card reader you picked
with the USB connection. So I'll get the Startech.

I deleted all the files off the Patriot #3 USB stick so it's all clean

I de-fragged both computers and the8500 seems quicker but there's
still a lag problem at times. Should I also do Disk-Clean-up and use
the defaults?

Most importantly, I still need your instructions on how to create
Rescue CD's and how to create Rescue CD from an ISO and how
to burn CD's on image burn. I really need these.

I think you already answered how to burn a CD from an ISO file
by right click it. but I don't seem to have instructions on how to
create a Rescue CD.
Hopefully, the RAM will arrive today and will let you know how it
goes after I install it and run the memtest CD.

Many Thanks,
Robert

I just tracked the RAM order and it
says it will be delivered between
Nov 20-30. Yet I placed the order
before the PCI card and I already
have it.

We just have to wait for it,.....

In passing, what were you doing in
the driveway? repaving, border?

Robert

p.s. where do I get the ISO file to create a Rescue CD?
and then the procedure to create one?

Thanks,
Robert

On 11/11/2023 12:20 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I thought I lost you ! whew!
>
> I haven't got the RAM yet but I have the PCI 3.0 card
> and will install both when I get the RAM. I thought it
> would be here by now.
>
> So the white slots are for the RAM? OK, got it.
> Yes, I noticed the slot in the RAM when I bought it
> and on the white slots. so it should be easy What are
> the two large black slots at the top for? and just out of
> curiosity what are the blue and red things on the right
> side?
>
> Inside 780:
>
> https://postimg.cc/XXVDW6sz
>
> I'll un-plug the 780 and remove all the connections
> before I open it. I do have a strap, again thanks to you.
> I'll run a memtest CD after I power it back up.
>
> I think I'll skip the SD read only disk problem,.... I have enough
> on my plate. I'll just buy another SD disk and I have others that
> work fine.
>
> It's true the 780 doesn't have a card reader on the front
> but there are two empty face plates, one is normal size but
> the other one is smaller. However, I like the card reader you picked
> with the USB connection. So I'll get the Startech.
>
> I deleted all the files off the Patriot #3 USB stick so it's all clean
>
> I de-fragged both computers and the8500 seems quicker but there's
> still a lag problem at times. Should I also do Disk-Clean-up and use
> the defaults?
>
> Most importantly, I still need your instructions on how to create
> Rescue CD's and how to create Rescue CD from an ISO and how
> to burn CD's on image burn. I really need these.
>
> I think you already answered how to burn a CD from an ISO file
> by right click it. but I don't seem to have instructions on how to
> create a Rescue CD.
>
> Hopefully, the RAM will arrive today and will let you know how it
> goes after I install it and run the memtest CD.
>
> Many Thanks,
> Robert

The DIMM slots, the lock latches are colored like that, to
allow the user to install stuff in "dual channel" mode. Putting
a matched pair in the two white is "dual channel". Putting
a matched pair in the two black slots is "dual channel". That
is where the notion came from , when memory changed from
single channel to dual channel.

In single channel days, there would be three memory slots and
the slots all had latches of the same color. Dual channel
is "twice as fast".

*******

The blue and red things on the right side, could be the
DB9 serial port and the red thing is a DB25 parallel port,
at a guess. They don't put parallel ports on PCs any more,
that I know of. Serial ports exist, but they put them in
computers as pin headers on the surface of the motherboard,
expecting the user to go shopping for an adapter to use it.

Parallel ports were used for printers at one time. That's
why there could be a printer icon next to it. But Parallel Ports
have four modes, so there were other hardware things you could
do with it. There were eight TTL level signals, and they could
be changed in software at around 500KHz or so. Pretty slow compared
to other hardware signals in the PC. There have been storage
devices that used to run off that 25 pin connector (slow).

*******

As for the lag problem, it would depend what activity is lagging,
as to whether certain things would help. Defragmenting the disk
might help with general activity such a program loading times.

On a browser, sometimes the amount of temporary files the thing
has stored, slow down the browser. And also, the files that the
web sites abuse, those can grow with time. The cookie.sqlite file as an
example, can get pretty full, but on the other hand, it is not
accessed that often. I think they may try to do stuff to
a file called "webappsstore.sqlite". That seems to grow, and
my browser gets slow when that is over 10 megabytes.

The "cache2" folder for the browser, has an "entries" folder and
that can have a lot of stuff in it. The browser, in "about:config"
has a control that defines the maximum size of the folder, and
that should not be set too high, as it allows too many files
to be stored in "entries". That would not normally be a problem,
unless the user had been fiddling with the value and made it way
too large.

*******

We had a bit of fun with this, on this date.

Sat, 17 Aug 2019 14:19:45 -0400

https://i.postimg.cc/yN96d68h/rescue-media.gif

This is an example of making an ISO file, and then you can use
Imgburn later with it. You should pick a name for the file,
that has the release and the intended computer perhaps, because the
ISO files are relatively indistinguishable later.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKb9T6Yy/create-rescue-media.gif

If you insert a USB key, you can place Macrium on the USB key...
That would save on making a rescue CD, but then you have to
convince the Optiplex to boot from it. The USB key can go in
a USB2 slot (one of the six slots on the back of the machine
or one on the front perhaps). The new USB3 card, is not for booting.

https://i.postimg.cc/vBgStzJV/macrium-sees-USB-key.gif

By using WinPE 10, there will be a driver to make the new USB3 card work.
One of your older CDs, may not have the USB3 driver. You will know,
if Macrium warns you about "some driver is missing". Or, if plugging
a USB3 enclosure into the USB3 card, is not working. For the regular OS,
the USB3 card will only work, if you use the CD that comes in the USB3
card box.

Could you make the Macrium media *after* the USB3 card is in the 780 ?
That way, while Macrium is making the media, it may complain if it
knows the driver for the USB3 is not present. I'm just trying to
avoid too many surprises, at the current time.

If you make Macrium media, on one of your freed up Patriot sticks,
that could tide you over until your hardware situation is stable.
And then, if you want to make a CD, the CD is more likely to be
ready for the new stable situation. Putting Macrium on a USB key,
is good when "experimenting" with your builds, and getting everything
done right. Once you are confident the USB key version is "good",
you can then go back to Macrium and use the ISO choice, to make an ISO.

Paul

On 11/11/2023 2:42 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> p.s. where do I get the ISO file to create a Rescue CD?
> and then the procedure to create one?
>
> Thanks,
> Robert
>

It's in the "Other tasks" menu.

If you don't have a blank USB key inserted in the machine
when you do it, then only the ISO is offered as an option.

https://i.postimg.cc/MKb9T6Yy/create-rescue-media.gif

You can see some useful options such as

"Check for devices missing drivers on boot"

That would be good for when the new USB3 card is installed.
Macrium will then be watching for a driver. In the regular OS,
you will be reading the instructions for the new card, and using
the driver CD in the box.

The Windows PE 10 choice, should have a USB3 card driver for
the Macrium environment, for your rescue media.

Since your USB key can be used multiple times, you can
put a new version on one of those. You have I think, at
least one key with Macrium on it already. And you could
put your practice versions on the USB key.

If you want to use the USB key, and the files already on it
have been dumped somewhere, you can plug the USb key in
before using the "Other Tasks" menu and "Create Rescue Media"
and the USB key should be a choice in "Select Device".

But this is all in aid, of getting the USB3 card on the 780
working in the Macrium environment. When it all seems to work,
then you could make an ISO and burn a CD. I don't want to
waste your media on experiments.

Getting the USB3 card to work in the regular OS, is one thing.

Getting the USb3 card to work in Macrium, is relatively easy
(by making new media), but by testing with a USB key first,
you can ensure you are satisfied it is working, before making
a CD. Then the USB key, you can do whatever you want with it
after the experiment stage is over.

Paul

I'm confused as far as step 1,2,3 I open create Rescue media and then?
Do I select Advanced options then PE10, then OK, then build?

I'm not fully understanding putting Macrium on the Patriot USB stick?
How do I do it? Do you mean put the ISO file on the stick? It sounds if
I do this it will make all my other Rescue CD's useless. This is just for
the 780 right to verify that the 3.0 is working ?

I have a blank USB key I can use.

btw I had that Win 11 pop-up again. I forget while I was doing. I
just closed it again.

Robert

OK, I followed the steps up to selecting PE10
but if I understand you correctly you want me
to do this after I install the PCI 3.0 card, correct?

Correct me if I'm wrong but is PE10 a ISO that
you want me to use on a 2.0 port to see if it boots
the 780 to check and verify the 3.0 port is working?

My question is will this make the previous Rescue
CD's obsolete because of the new drivers added by
doing this?
Robert

I was following you about putting Macrium (WinPE 10)
on the Patriot Drive but you lost me on how were going to
convince the 780 to boot from it?

Also should I do the same to the 8500 and be using
WinPE10? If so, then it would make all my current Rescue
CD's obsolete. That's what you meant about creating new
media, new Rescue CD's from the ISO.

Yes, I will try and create a Macrium media after the USB3
card is installed in the 780 and we can go from there. I'll keep
you posted and let you know how everything goes of course.

I think I do have a 2022 version of Macrium on one of the
Patriot keys. That's why I wanted you to look at them but
that isn't WinPE10. It seems to me that I'm going to have to
make a whole new batch of Rescue CD's for both computers
so they are both WinPE10.

Thoughts/suggestions?
Robert

Here's a summary of upcoming procedures when the RAM arrives;

1. install RAM and PCI card with mini disk
2. run memtest CD
3. create macrium media (WinPE 10) - use 2.0 port to boot from
how will 780 see it?
4. create Rescue CD's from ISO - procedure?

This has nothing to do with the computers per se but was weird,
I have a Sony DSC-TX20 camera but when I tried to use it,
it says the SD card is locked but it's not locked. I tried another
SD card and it said the same thing but when I tried it in another
camera it was ok? I don't get it? It was fine yesterday.

What's weird is that when I put the read only SD card in it, it
worked fine although I still can't can't/paste to delete the folder/files
but then when I put the non- working SD card back in the camera it
worked as usual as if nothing happened! Talk about off the wall.

I picked up (2) more 32 GB Lexar SD cards as extra's at Staples today
they didn't have Sandisk's.

Robert

On 11/11/2023 9:19 AM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I'm confused as far as step 1,2,3 I open create Rescue media and then?
> Do I select Advanced options then PE10, then OK, then build?

That sounds like the basic idea.

"Building" means to assemble all the moving parts from the
WADK, to make a tiny OS that boots.

>
> I'm not fully understanding putting Macrium on the Patriot USB stick?
> How do I do it? Do you mean put the ISO file on the stick? It sounds if
> I do this it will make all my other Rescue CD's useless. This is just for
> the 780 right to verify that the 3.0 is working ?
>
> I have a blank USB key I can use.

You insert the USB key, before selecting "Create Rescue media".
The software interface for "selecting a device to use", will
then include the USB stick. You click the USB stick to highlight
it, as the device that will be accepting the build. Then, go to Advanced
and select your WinPE flavor. And so on.

>
> btw I had that Win 11 pop-up again. I forget while I was doing. I
> just closed it again.
>
> Robert

Normally, I would not expect a Win11 popup, unless I was running Win10.

Your machines aren't likely a good match for Win11, because the CPU
can only be 3-5 years old or so. My Test Machine, it's not Win11 ready.

Your Optiplex has a TPM, but it probably is not TPM 2.0 . That can be
used for Secure Boot. The Optiplex doesn't really have a UEFI BIOS,
as near as I can tell.

The XPS 8500 is closer.

If they did attempt to install Windows 11, chances are it would
roll back because of a compatibility issue. Even video cards,
they might not do a proper check when the installation of Win11
starts, but it could roll back on video card. The Optiplex 780 for
example, the built-in graphics aren't good enough for W10 22H2
(which is the current and last release of W10). If you try to upgrade
an Optiplex 780 from 21H2 to 22H2 (and you didn't add a video card),
it would roll back. Your picture shows a video card in the video
slot, so chances are your Optiplex could run W10 22H2. But W11 on
the Optiplex 780, isn't even close. The checker should tell you,
without wasting your time on an install attempt, that the CPU is too
old (does not have MEBX).

They tried to lard up W11 with security features, and when I'm running
W11, most all of that is switched off. They will undoubtedly try that
with W12 as well, make some security feature mandatory, that I don't have.
I have only one machine that can run W11. W11 has some sort of sandbox I've
never used, as an example.

*******

This guy makes utilities for setting some registry entries that
control upgrading. If you were running W10 or W11, the program
can stop the version from changing. Where it says 21H2, you could
set that to 22H2, and then no upgrade could go past 22H2.

Entering W10 in the box, prevents W11 from coming in. But that
isn't for a machine running Win7, because Win7 doesn't understand
those labels. The "Never 10" utility, is for an earlier point in
time, where they were pushing Windows 10. Right now, you cannot
use W7 or W8.1 to advance to W10 any more, as the "free upgrade"
has stopped. If you did try the free upgrade previously, then
erased Win10 (Macrium restore to W7), you would still have the license key
for Win10, and you could then install Win10 today. It's the handing
out of license keys that has stopped -- you can still re-install W10.

I might have mentioned that being a reason for installing Win10,
then rolling back with Macrium, as that way you could "claim"
your license, before the free offer is finished.

https://www.grc.com/incontrol.htm

Paul

On 11/11/2023 2:32 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> OK, I followed the steps up to selecting PE10
> but if I understand you correctly you want me
> to do this after I install the PCI 3.0 card, correct?
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong but is PE10 a ISO that
> you want me to use on a 2.0 port to see if it boots
> the 780 to check and verify the 3.0 port is working?
>
> My question is will this make the previous Rescue
> CD's obsolete because of the new drivers added by
> doing this?
>
> Robert
>

I would not say your previous rescue CDs are "obsolete".

What you're doing, is you are adding a USB3 card to the
Optiplex. You will install a driver from the CD that
came in the box with the USB3 card.

Now, when you are running the Macrium CD and doing a
bare metal restore, the USB3 card is not going to work
with the old Rescue CD. You could *still* plug the external
hard drive enclosure into a USB2 port, and do a backup
or a restore at reduced speed.

Making new media, is so you can make a 780 backup or a restore,
at 150MB/sec for a typical drive. The Patriot key plugged
in, before you start the rescue media step, it's going to
acquire a USB3 driver from PE10. You don't absolutely need to have the
USB3 card in the computer, if you're itching to go. But, if
you have the USB3 card in the PC, as soon as the build onto
the Patriot key is finished, you can immediately boot the
Patriot key, and see in the Macrium File Manager, that the
drive letter for that drive-on-USB3-port, has appeared.
What you should notice, is if making a backup of the 780,
using your new WinPE 10 version of software, things run
a lot faster. At least 4x faster. It's possible the internal
drive you're backing up, is the slowest part in the transfer then.

USB2 (boot) port <=== Patriot key

USB3 port <=== External USB3 hard drive enclosure (or a USB2 enclosure even)

When you're running Macrium on the computer and making this media,
the Macrium software has a version number like 7.3.1234 kind of thing.
It's that version, that helps determine whether the old versions
of CDs will work with that backup or not. So if the existing Rescue CDs
you made were 7.3.1234 and the Patriot was also made by version
7.3.1234, then the two medias are "equally compatible". The difference
between them, is the Patriot stick allows you to use your new USB3
card on the 780. The WinPE 10 would also work on the 8500, so that
a USB3 port (blue tab) would work while booting the Patriot key.

The WinPE 10 driver should work with any USB3 chip. (There aren't too many
USB3 chips which are new enough to defeat WinPE 10. Some day,
we might need an even newer WinPE, but I don't know if one has been
issued or not. The drivers normally work, because new USB3 chips
would have the same register definitions as those that came before.)

Your two machines are new enough, to be Win10 compatible. A Core2
processor is Win10 compatible. But when it comes to Win11, I think
like most of the computers in the room here, the CPU isn't new enough
for Windows 11. At least, the installer Microsoft uses, will tell you
a story like that. Why they pester people who can't run the software,
I'll never know.

You can use Rufus, to build an installer stick, that will install W11
on both your computers. The problem with the method is, any time a
major upgrade comes in, the upgrade is guaranteed to fail. This potentially
means, that the Rufus method is extra work and research for people to do.
I think I tested a Rufus, but it rolled back when I tried to put w11 22h2 over it.

As far as I can remember, W11 21H2 was the first, W11 22H2 was the second,
and W11 23H2 has just come out. I haven't installed 23H2 by the looks of it.
I'm 22621 and the new one is 22631. Articles like this in Wikipedia,
have the digit strings so I can check.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_11_version_history

21H2 22000
22H2 22621 <=== One machine runs this
23H2 22631 <=== Haven't installed this yet (release is 12 days old or so)
I have to deal with this before November 14 (Patch Tuesday).
Paul

On 11/11/2023 8:27 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> I was following you about putting Macrium (WinPE 10)
> on the Patriot Drive but you lost me on how were going to
> convince the 780 to boot from it?

You press F12 while the Dell animation is on the 780 screen.
As that progress bar advances, you press F12.

>
> Also should I do the same to the 8500 and be using
> WinPE10? If so, then it would make all my current Rescue
> CD's obsolete. That's what you meant about creating new
> media, new Rescue CD's from the ISO.

You can try the 780 USB key on the 8500 if you want.

>
> Yes, I will try and create a Macrium media after the USB3
> card is installed in the 780 and we can go from there. I'll keep
> you posted and let you know how everything goes of course.
>
> I think I do have a 2022 version of Macrium on one of the
> Patriot keys. That's why I wanted you to look at them but
> that isn't WinPE10. It seems to me that I'm going to have to
> make a whole new batch of Rescue CD's for both computers
> so they are both WinPE10.
>
>
> Thoughts/suggestions?
> Robert

You could test your existing Patriot with the USB3 enclosure,
but it might end up running at USB2 speed, and that wouldn't
be so nice. It's pretty hard to determine what speed the interface
is running at, as the Macrium interface does not always have a
speed indicator while it runs. Some operation are devoid of that
speed thing.

If you want to make CDs, you can. Initially, I just want to make
sure at least one build works properly on the USB stick, so you know
it is going to work, and you won't be wasting a CD for nothing.
You could make a CD for the 780, a CD for the 8500 on the 8500
version, and then the Patriot key would be free for some other purpose.
It's up to you as to which method has the best economics. I've wasted
a few CD-R here for nothing, making software versions that went out of
date. I use more -RW ones as they can be erased. I also temporarily
put installers on USB sticks. At least, until the USB stick wears out.

But first of all, I want to test that the Patriot key makes the USB3 card deliver.
And that your backup finished 4x faster. You'll be a Build expert at that
point, and can go off and make the CDs you want. *Always* label the
CD with the Windows installed version of Macrium and its release number.
The 7.3.1234 kind of thing. You might even be running a Version 8
for all I know.

My optical media for Macrium, always has the release number on it. I don't
restore a Macrium 7 backup with a Macrium 5 CD. At least, I try not to.
For "full" backups, there is a good chance that will even work! but
don't quote me on that. I try to match the releases if I can.

My MRIMG names look like

W11HOME-quick-image-736391-00-00.mrimg.7z

That's a 7.3.6391 backup, which has been compressed so it takes less space.
Compressing takes a long time, and makes the fan spin faster.

I label ones that are known to be temporary, like this

W11HOME-quick-image-736391-ERASEME-00-00.mrimg.7z

I can do a search on "ERASEME" and all the ones I can toss out,
show up in the window. That's what tagged labeling is for.
On ambiguous ones, the machine identifier needs to be included.
One machine being Intel, one machine being AMD. W11 only runs on the
AMD machine, so I don't need a tag for that. W10 runs everywhere here,
so it needs a more careful label.

Paul

On 11/12/2023 2:51 PM, Robert in CA wrote:
> Here's a summary of upcoming procedures when the RAM arrives;
>
> 1. install RAM and PCI card with mini disk
> 2. run memtest CD
> 3. create macrium media (WinPE 10) - use 2.0 port to boot from
> how will 780 see it?
> 4. create Rescue CD's from ISO - procedure?
>
> This has nothing to do with the computers per se but was weird,
> I have a Sony DSC-TX20 camera but when I tried to use it,
> it says the SD card is locked but it's not locked. I tried another
> SD card and it said the same thing but when I tried it in another
> camera it was ok? I don't get it? It was fine yesterday.
>
> What's weird is that when I put the read only SD card in it, it
> worked fine although I still can't can't/paste to delete the folder/files
> but then when I put the non- working SD card back in the camera it
> worked as usual as if nothing happened! Talk about off the wall.
>
> I picked up (2) more 32 GB Lexar SD cards as extra's at Staples today
> they didn't have Sandisk's.
>
> Robert
>
>

On the 780, your USB2 ports are the boot ports. Press F12,
let it see one boot stick plugged into USB2, and it'll work.

The new USB3 card is only for your USB3 enclosure and for doing backup/restore.

The problem is, the BIOS won't boot from the USB3 card.
However, once any OS is running, they are allowed to use
the USB3 card as a "data card". It's just booting that does not
work. The port on the USB3 card is still useful and general
purpose. But, booting is out. If the card had a "config EEPROM" on it,
then it could boot. And there are a bunch of add-in card types,
that they never wrote code for them.

Someone made a dual NVMe card, and we never thought those would ever
boot. They made a config EEPROM for it, and it boots. And... they
charge $500.00 per card :-/ You see, that's what happens when these
things are a technical challenge. If no one else can make one, the card
is extremely expensive, just to get boot.

If you have BIOS-building software, you can include a module to
boot from a USB3 card. I haven't seen anyone mention BIOS-hacking
around here, for a number of years. My Nforce2 motherboard, was
the last one where people were hacking them on USENET. They needed to
patch the SIL3112 SATA controller, and the manufacturer didn't patch it,
so the users had to.

My Asrock 4coreduo motherboard, a guy in Germany hacked a BIOS for us,
turning on EIST (Intel SpeedStep). That allows the processor to run at 2GHz
when idle, and 3GHz when busy. The Intel lawyers made Asrock turn that off,
the hacker helped us turn it back on again :-) There is nothing complicated
about the hack, it's just a flag that "makes the setting appear on the screen".
The code was always in there, it was just "invisible" and the hack makes
it "visible" again so you can use it.

Just a lot of silly crap, so you can use a computer.

Paul

I believe we did add a video card because
you selected the card with the fan on it and
I remember installing it.

We don't have to worry about Win 11 pop-up
I have (2) spare bootable Win 10 hd's that we
made when they still offered the free upgrade
and you advised I do it so I did for both computers.

You lost me, you said when I use the macrium cd
and do a bare metal restore. I thought by using macrium
were not metal to metal?

I still do not understand how I am going to boot from
the USB once the build for PE10 is finished?

If I understand you correctly I plug the external
hd in the 3.0 port for backups and the USB with
the PE10 in the 2.0 port and then ?

So I should make new Rescue CD's (PE10) for both
computers so they are both compatible. It seems so.

Robert

Oh, so I press F12 to get the USB with PE10 to boot

I wasn't thinking of using the 780 USB on the 8500.
Rather I was thinking of creating one for the 8500
because they wouldn't be compatible would they?
Just as the Rescue CD's aren't compatible.

I don't have the PCI card installed yet so I can't
test it with my older 2022 ISO on the Patriot. I want
to install the RAM first because otherwise the PCI card
will be in the way and I also don't want to open up the
780 twice. So we just have to wait for the RAM. I
didn't think it would take this long.

I think I will make some new Rescue CD's after all
this is done and yes I label all my CD's like the following

8500 Rescue CD

12-5-2022

V7.2, 64bit

but I think I'll add PE10 to it. I see that I used to include
that in the beginning with PE 3.1 and I have done
V8, PE 3.1, 64 bit . I think I showed you my mrimgs log I
keep.

https://postimg.cc/jLw3FrRJ

I'll re-read your instructions and hopefully everything will
go as planned.

Robert

I created a WinPE10 on the Patriot key.

https://postimg.cc/f3G5Xst4

https://postimg.cc/ctmcV8DZ

https://postimg.cc/QVw5dmTP

https://postimg.cc/NKYKKzfN

https://postimg.cc/JDy0wwPh

https://postimg.cc/CZ2MsPSp

https://postimg.cc/t7WRFNc8

https://postimg.cc/QFxXGGMr

Robert

I created a WinPE10 on the Patriot key.

https://postimg.cc/f3G5Xst4

https://postimg.cc/ctmcV8DZ

https://postimg.cc/QVw5dmTP

https://postimg.cc/NKYKKzfN

https://postimg.cc/JDy0wwPh

https://postimg.cc/CZ2MsPSp

https://postimg.cc/t7WRFNc8

https://postimg.cc/QFxXGGMr

Robert