Chris Townley wrote:

> David Wade wrote:
>
>> The latest release seems to have fixed these problems but creates
>> others. I did resort going into the config editor and setting:-
>>
>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads
>>
>> to "false" but its now ok..
>
> Where is this config editor? Couldn't find this in settings

tools / settings / general / config editor

On 10/12/2023 15:26, Andy Burns wrote:
> Chris Townley wrote:
>
>> David Wade wrote:
>>
>>> The latest release seems to have fixed these problems but creates
>>> others. I did resort going into the config editor and setting:-
>>>
>>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads
>>>
>>> to "false" but its now ok..
>>
>> Where is this config editor? Couldn't find this in settings
>
>
> tools / settings / general / config editor

Thanks, I will see if it helps

--
Chris

On 10/12/2023 15:01, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 10/12/2023 07:41, David Wade wrote:
>
>> The latest release seems to have fixed these problems but creates
>> others. I did resort going into the config editor and setting:-
>>
>> mail.operate_on_msgs_in_collapsed_threads
>>
>> to "false" but its now ok..
>>
>
> Where is this config editor? Couldn't find this in settings
>

Open "Settings" and scroll to the bottom. Of course this is after the
last major re-write

Dave

On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
> Windows?
>

Will slrn run under Cygwin ?

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On 12/12/2023 00:09, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
>> Windows?
>>
>
> Will slrn run under Cygwin ?
>
You can build it: <https://www.andrews-corner.org/slrn-windows.html>

Cheers,
Gary B-)

On 2023-12-11, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
> On 12/12/2023 00:09, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
>>> Windows?
>>>
>>
>> Will slrn run under Cygwin ?
>>
> You can build it: <https://www.andrews-corner.org/slrn-windows.html>
>

That appears to be for Windows native and appears to be a significant
exercise to build.

With Cygwin, slrn believes it is running under a form of Unix and, having
had a quick look, it does appear there are prebuilt versions of slrn in
the Cygwin repository:

https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/slrn.html

I have no idea if there are functionality limitations when running slrn
under Cygwin, but it might be worth exploring for people interested in
an option other than Thunderbird.

Simon.

--
Simon Clubley, clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP
Walking destinations on a map are further away than they appear.

On 12/11/2023 9:16 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-12-11, Gary R. Schmidt <grschmidt@acm.org> wrote:
>> On 12/12/2023 00:09, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
>>>> Windows?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Will slrn run under Cygwin ?
>>>
>> You can build it: <https://www.andrews-corner.org/slrn-windows.html>
>>
>
> That appears to be for Windows native and appears to be a significant
> exercise to build.
>
> With Cygwin, slrn believes it is running under a form of Unix and, having
> had a quick look, it does appear there are prebuilt versions of slrn in
> the Cygwin repository:
>
> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/slrn.html
>
> I have no idea if there are functionality limitations when running slrn
> under Cygwin, but it might be worth exploring for people interested in
> an option other than Thunderbird.

Just to be clear about what Cygwin provides.

Cygwin build tools, compilers, header files, libraries etc.
allow one to build *nix source code. The result is Windows
EXE/DLL that run on any Windows as long as the the Cygwin
runtime DLL is present.

Nice tool. I have used it for more than 20 years.

But it is not emulating Linux like WSL1 does (or Wine
does in the reverse direction).

Arne

On 11/12/2023 13:09, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-12-09, Chris Townley <news@cct-net.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a half decent free (or inexpensive) newsreader for
>> Windows?
>>
>
> Will slrn run under Cygwin ?
>
> Simon.
>

I believe they provide Windows execs - I will give that a try

I like did the look of pan, but as I said before it didn't work, which
is a bit of downer ;)

I am surprised there aren't any more modern progs around, with the
amount of usenet readers about - and I don't want to download binaries!

--
Chris

On 12/12/2023 8:18 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
> On 2023-12-11, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> On 12/11/2023 9:16 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>
>>> With Cygwin, slrn believes it is running under a form of Unix and, having
>>> had a quick look, it does appear there are prebuilt versions of slrn in
>>> the Cygwin repository:
>>>
>>> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/slrn.html
>>>
>>> I have no idea if there are functionality limitations when running slrn
>>> under Cygwin, but it might be worth exploring for people interested in
>>> an option other than Thunderbird.
>>
>> Just to be clear about what Cygwin provides.
>>
>> Cygwin build tools, compilers, header files, libraries etc.
>> allow one to build *nix source code. The result is Windows
>> EXE/DLL that run on any Windows as long as the the Cygwin
>> runtime DLL is present.
>>
>> Nice tool. I have used it for more than 20 years.
>>
>> But it is not emulating Linux like WSL1 does (or Wine
>> does in the reverse direction).
>
> Yes. Like I said above, it's emulating the various Unix APIs instead and
> providing the kinds of tools you would see under Linux. For anyone confused
> about the difference, look at the output of "uname -o" both under Cygwin
> and under Linux. Under Cygwin, "Cygwin" is output as the OS, not "Linux".

#include <stdio.h>

#include <sys/utsname.h>

#include <sysinfoapi.h>
#include <winnt.h>

int main()
{ struct utsname un;
uname(&un);
printf("sysname=%s, release=%s\n", un.sysname, un.release);
struct _OSVERSIONINFOA osvi;
osvi.dwOSVersionInfoSize = sizeof(struct _OSVERSIONINFOA);
GetVersionExA(&osvi);
printf("%s major=%d minor=%d build=%d\n", osvi.dwPlatformId ==
VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT ? "NT" : "Unknown", osvi.dwMajorVersion,
osvi.dwMinorVersion, osvi.dwBuildNumber);
return 0;
}

on my PC outputs:

sysname=CYGWIN_NT-10.0-19045, release=3.4.7-1.x86_64
NT major=10 minor=0 build=19045

It knows what Windows Cygwin is hosted on.

> Think of it as a seriously beefed-up version of POSIX that even allows
> you to run X under Windows.

I think that is a very accurate description.

It is also very close to how Cygwin itself sees it.

https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.what.what

<quote>
What is it?

Cygwin is a distribution of popular GNU and other Open Source tools
running on Microsoft Windows. The core part is the Cygwin library which
provides the POSIX system calls and environment these programs expect.

The Cygwin distribution contains thousands of packages from the Open
Source world including most GNU tools, many BSD tools, an X server and a
full set of X applications. If you're a developer you will find tools,
headers and libraries allowing to write Windows console or GUI
applications that make use of significant parts of the POSIX API. Cygwin
allows easy porting of many Unix programs without the need for extensive
changes to the source code. This includes configuring and building most
of the available GNU or BSD software, including the packages included
with the Cygwin distribution themselves. They can be used from one of
the provided Unix shells like bash, tcsh or zsh.
</quote>

Arne

On 12/12/2023 23:53, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 12/12/2023 8:18 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>> On 2023-12-11, Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>>> On 12/11/2023 9:16 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With Cygwin, slrn believes it is running under a form of Unix and,
>>>> having
>>>> had a quick look, it does appear there are prebuilt versions of slrn in
>>>> the Cygwin repository:
>>>>
>>>> https://cygwin.com/packages/summary/slrn.html
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea if there are functionality limitations when running slrn
>>>> under Cygwin, but it might be worth exploring for people interested in
>>>> an option other than Thunderbird.
>>>
>>> Just to be clear about what Cygwin provides.
>>>
>>> Cygwin build tools, compilers, header files, libraries etc.
>>> allow one to build *nix source code. The result is Windows
>>> EXE/DLL that run on any Windows as long as the the Cygwin
>>> runtime DLL is present.
>>>
>>> Nice tool. I have used it for more than 20 years.
>>>
>>> But it is not emulating Linux like WSL1 does (or Wine
>>> does in the reverse direction).
>>
>> Yes. Like I said above, it's emulating the various Unix APIs instead and
>> providing the kinds of tools you would see under Linux. For anyone
>> confused
>> about the difference, look at the output of "uname -o" both under Cygwin
>> and under Linux. Under Cygwin, "Cygwin" is output as the OS, not "Linux".
>
> #include <stdio.h>
>
> #include <sys/utsname.h>
>
> #include <sysinfoapi.h>
> #include <winnt.h>
>
> int main()
> {
>     struct utsname un;
>     uname(&un);
>     printf("sysname=%s, release=%s\n", un.sysname, un.release);
>     struct _OSVERSIONINFOA osvi;
>     osvi.dwOSVersionInfoSize = sizeof(struct _OSVERSIONINFOA);
>     GetVersionExA(&osvi);
>     printf("%s major=%d minor=%d build=%d\n", osvi.dwPlatformId ==
> VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT ? "NT" : "Unknown", osvi.dwMajorVersion,
> osvi.dwMinorVersion, osvi.dwBuildNumber);
>     return 0;
> }
>
> on my PC outputs:
>
> sysname=CYGWIN_NT-10.0-19045, release=3.4.7-1.x86_64
> NT major=10 minor=0 build=19045
>
> It knows what Windows Cygwin is hosted on.
>
>> Think of it as a seriously beefed-up version of POSIX that even allows
>> you to run X under Windows.
>
> I think that is a very accurate description.
>
> It is also very close to how Cygwin itself sees it.
>
> https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.what.what
>
> <quote>
> What is it?
>
>
> Cygwin is a distribution of popular GNU and other Open Source tools
> running on Microsoft Windows. The core part is the Cygwin library which
> provides the POSIX system calls and environment these programs expect.
>
> The Cygwin distribution contains thousands of packages from the Open
> Source world including most GNU tools, many BSD tools, an X server and a
> full set of X applications. If you're a developer you will find tools,
> headers and libraries allowing to write Windows console or GUI
> applications that make use of significant parts of the POSIX API. Cygwin
> allows easy porting of many Unix programs without the need for extensive
> changes to the source code. This includes configuring and building most
> of the available GNU or BSD software, including the packages included
> with the Cygwin distribution themselves. They can be used from one of
> the provided Unix shells like bash, tcsh or zsh.
> </quote>
>
Don't forget MS also has msys2 that runs in the same way

--
Chris

On 12/12/2023 7:01 PM, Chris Townley wrote:
> On 12/12/2023 23:53, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>> On 12/12/2023 8:18 AM, Simon Clubley wrote:
>>> Think of it as a seriously beefed-up version of POSIX that even allows
>>> you to run X under Windows.
>>
>> I think that is a very accurate description.
>>
>> It is also very close to how Cygwin itself sees it.
>>
>> https://www.cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.what.what
>>
>> <quote>
>> What is it?
>>
>>
>> Cygwin is a distribution of popular GNU and other Open Source tools
>> running on Microsoft Windows. The core part is the Cygwin library
>> which provides the POSIX system calls and environment these programs
>> expect.
>>
>> The Cygwin distribution contains thousands of packages from the Open
>> Source world including most GNU tools, many BSD tools, an X server and
>> a full set of X applications. If you're a developer you will find
>> tools, headers and libraries allowing to write Windows console or GUI
>> applications that make use of significant parts of the POSIX API.
>> Cygwin allows easy porting of many Unix programs without the need for
>> extensive changes to the source code. This includes configuring and
>> building most of the available GNU or BSD software, including the
>> packages included with the Cygwin distribution themselves. They can be
>> used from one of the provided Unix shells like bash, tcsh or zsh.
>> </quote>
>>
> Don't forget MS also has msys2 that runs in the same way

That I have never used.

Google finds:

https://www.msys2.org/wiki/How-does-MSYS2-differ-from-Cygwin/

with some description of how it compares to Cygwin.

Arne

In article <6578f284$0$705$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>[snip]
>>
>> Yes. Like I said above, it's emulating the various Unix APIs instead and
>> providing the kinds of tools you would see under Linux. For anyone confused
>> about the difference, look at the output of "uname -o" both under Cygwin
>> and under Linux. Under Cygwin, "Cygwin" is output as the OS, not "Linux".
>
>#include <stdio.h>
>
>#include <sys/utsname.h>
>
>#include <sysinfoapi.h>
>#include <winnt.h>
>
>int main()
>{
> struct utsname un;
> uname(&un);
> printf("sysname=%s, release=%s\n", un.sysname, un.release);
> struct _OSVERSIONINFOA osvi;
> osvi.dwOSVersionInfoSize = sizeof(struct _OSVERSIONINFOA);
> GetVersionExA(&osvi);
> printf("%s major=%d minor=%d build=%d\n", osvi.dwPlatformId ==

Don't you mean to use `%u` for the format specifier for the dwords?
Those are unsigned.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/winprog/windows-data-types

>VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT ? "NT" : "Unknown", osvi.dwMajorVersion,
>osvi.dwMinorVersion, osvi.dwBuildNumber);
> return 0;
>}

- Dan C.

On 12/13/2023 10:17 AM, Dan Cross wrote:
> In article <6578f284$0$705$14726298@news.sunsite.dk>,
> Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Yes. Like I said above, it's emulating the various Unix APIs instead and
>>> providing the kinds of tools you would see under Linux. For anyone confused
>>> about the difference, look at the output of "uname -o" both under Cygwin
>>> and under Linux. Under Cygwin, "Cygwin" is output as the OS, not "Linux".
>>
>> #include <stdio.h>
>>
>> #include <sys/utsname.h>
>>
>> #include <sysinfoapi.h>
>> #include <winnt.h>
>>
>> int main()
>> {
>> struct utsname un;
>> uname(&un);
>> printf("sysname=%s, release=%s\n", un.sysname, un.release);
>> struct _OSVERSIONINFOA osvi;
>> osvi.dwOSVersionInfoSize = sizeof(struct _OSVERSIONINFOA);
>> GetVersionExA(&osvi);
>> printf("%s major=%d minor=%d build=%d\n", osvi.dwPlatformId ==
>> VER_PLATFORM_WIN32_NT ? "NT" : "Unknown", osvi.dwMajorVersion,
>> osvi.dwMinorVersion, osvi.dwBuildNumber);
>> return 0;
>> }
>
> Don't you mean to use `%u` for the format specifier for the dwords?
> Those are unsigned.

True. %u would be the correct format.

Arne