wolfgang kern <nowhere@never.at> writes:
>what does GG and ES stand for ?

Google Groups and Eternal September.

- anton
--
'Anyone trying for "industrial quality" ISA should avoid undefined behavior.'
Mitch Alsup, <c17fcd89-f024-40e7-a594-88a85ac10d20o@googlegroups.com>

On 31/10/2023 10:18, Anton Ertl wrote:
> wolfgang kern <nowhere@never.at> writes:
>> what does GG and ES stand for ?
>
> Google Groups and Eternal September.

thx, I should have guessed it.
__
wolfgang

On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
> On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
>> On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>>
>>> Anything we can do ??
>>
>> My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want.
>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)
>
> seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
> what does GG and ES stand for ?

I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it
seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.

It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100
Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:

> On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
> > On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
> >> On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
> >>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
> >>>
> >>> Anything we can do ??
> >>
> >> My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we
> >> want. sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)
> >
> > seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
> > what does GG and ES stand for ?
>
> I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam,
> it seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.
>

E-S got through ~80 spam messagges in 24 hours.
On Google Groups you can see 80 spam messages in 1.5 hours.
So E-S filter is not perfect, but it gets rid of 95% of the spam.

Opus wrote:
> On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
>> On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
>>> On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>>>
>>>> Anything we can do ??
>>>
>>> My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want.
>>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)
>>
>> seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
>> what does GG and ES stand for ?
>
> I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it
> seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.
>
> It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
> but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
> whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
> and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?

That's why I concluded its not a spammer, it's a DOS attack.
They hit c.l.c and c.l.fortran but not c.l.ada.
And spammers do not adapt to countermeasures.

> And spammers do not adapt to countermeasures.

What makes you think so?
The arms race in spam -vs- anti-spam in the world of email strongly
suggests otherwise.

Stefan

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:

> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>
> Anything we can do ??

Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.

On 10/31/2023 2:53 PM, Michael S wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
> MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>
>> Anything we can do ??
>
> Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
> So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
> Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.
>
>

Mitch who?

On 10/31/2023 3:01 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 10/31/2023 2:53 PM, Michael S wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
>> MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>>
>>> Anything we can do ??
>>
>> Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
>> So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
>> Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.
>>
>>
>
> Mitch who?

Afaict, MitchAlsup is using eternal-september.org.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:02:51 -0700
"Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 10/31/2023 3:01 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> > On 10/31/2023 2:53 PM, Michael S wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
> >> MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
> >>>
> >>> Anything we can do ??
> >>
> >> Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
> >> So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
> >> Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Mitch who?
>
> Afaict, MitchAlsup is using eternal-september.org.

No, he isn't. At least so far.

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:

>On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
>> On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
>>> On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>>>
>>>> Anything we can do ??
>>>
>>> My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want.
>>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)
>>
>> seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
>> what does GG and ES stand for ?
>
>I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it
>seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.
>
>It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
>but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
>whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
>and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?

My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...

YMMV.

On 01/11/2023 03:08, George Neuner wrote:
> My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
> of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...

Do you really think that "political" attacks would target Usenet?
While it is annoying to us users, probably almost no one in our
respective governments even knows about Usenet or cares, as to us users,
we're probably less than 0.1% of the population. So I have a hard time
believing any of this could be political.

On 01/11/2023 03:08, George Neuner wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:
>
>> On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
>>>> On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything we can do ??
>>>>
>>>> My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want.
>>>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)
>>>
>>> seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
>>> what does GG and ES stand for ?
>>
>> I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it
>> seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.
>>
>> It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
>> but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
>> whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
>> and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?
>
> My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
> of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...
>

A DOS attack on technical Usenet groups is utterly pointless. So it is
not a realistic explanation.

The spam posts are all adverts with links to websites for betting,
drugs, and other illegal or at least questionable but high profit
activities. They are advertising.

Of course, they are also useless as advertising, since they are all
being sent repeatedly to the same people, who are certainly not their
usual target audience.

So the explanation I see, is that someone - an advertising firm or
broker used by these sites - has been paying an individual or external
company with a contract "we will you pay x dollars if you send y
messages that will reach z readers". And that person has reckoned that
there are hundreds of people reading these groups, so if they send
thousands of messages a day to these groups, that counts as millions of
hits - and that is worth a few bob for very little effort. Unless they
are complete morons they will realise that this is all useless to the
original customer (the betting sites), but if they get paid, why should
they care?

George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes:
>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:
>
>>On 31/10/2023 07:04, wolfgang kern wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2023 16:00, wolfgang kern wrote:
>>>> On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
>>>>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything we can do ??
>>>>
>>>> My filter is now set to delete all >8KB and it seems to do what we want.
>>>> sorry BGB, some of your posts may be filtered as well :)
>>>
>>> seems they read my lines and now post shorter junk,
>>> what does GG and ES stand for ?
>>
>>I'm using ES and while it had managed to filter out most of the spam, it
>>seems to be back with a vengeance today, unfiltered.
>>
>>It looks obvious now that the spam is not just targeting random places,
>>but specific ones and they're monitoring things closely to adjust to
>>whatever filters are put in place. That's as annoying as it is creepy
>>and concerning. What the f*ck is up and who are they?
>
>My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
>of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...

Why on earth would someone [D]DOS a few technical newsgroups on a basically
obsolete forum with readership in the low 100s?

On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 13:49:48 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

>George Neuner <gneuner2@comcast.net> writes:
>>On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:18:56 +0100, Opus <ifonly@youknew.org> wrote:
>>
>>My own suspicion is that it is a coordinated DOS attack by one or more
>>of Russia, China, Iran, N Korea, <insert bad actor here>, ...
>
>Why on earth would someone [D]DOS a few technical newsgroups on a basically
>obsolete forum with readership in the low 100s?

Because they ARE technical newsgroups. Do you seriously think they
are not monitored in hopes of learning something new (to them) and
possibly valuable?

Y'all are not suspicious enough.

On 10/31/2023 3:12 PM, Michael S wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:02:51 -0700
> "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/31/2023 3:01 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
>>> On 10/31/2023 2:53 PM, Michael S wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
>>>> MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>>>>
>>>>> Anything we can do ??
>>>>
>>>> Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
>>>> So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
>>>> Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mitch who?
>>
>> Afaict, MitchAlsup is using eternal-september.org.
>
> No, he isn't. At least so far.
>

Really?

On 04/10/2023 03:06, MitchAlsup wrote:
> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>
> Anything we can do ??

my latest attempt to get rid of this exotic spam:
copy paste a single letter of the glyph to the filter.
I used now only six of them and don't see any atm.
__
wolfgang

On 2023-10-31, Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
> MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>
>> Anything we can do ??
>
> Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
> So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
> Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.
>
>
Disabled google groups filtering now, spam is now 0% :P

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On 11/2/2023 4:43 AM, Branimir Maksimovic wrote:
> On 2023-10-31, Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 Oct 2023 18:06:21 -0700 (PDT)
>> MitchAlsup <MitchAlsup@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> It appears that this N.G. has been killed
>>>
>>> Anything we can do ??
>>
>> Few minutes ago Google Groups disabled posting in comp.arch.
>> So, no more Thai spam, but no more Mitch as well.
>> Unless Mitch stops being stubborn.
>>
>>
> Disabled google groups filtering now, spam is now 0% :P
>

So far so good!

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