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* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conBring Back Jason Todd
+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerNigel Reed
|+- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerThe Doctor
|`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conJulieta Shem
| `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conThe Doctor
+- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conThe Doctor
+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSpiros Bousbouras
|+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportRichard Harnden
||+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
|||+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
||||`- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
|||`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conMarc Haber
||| +* Effective February 15, 2024,D
||| |`* Effective February 15, 2024,The Doctor
||| | `- Effective February 15, 2024,D
||| +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportcandycanearter07
||| |+- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
||| |+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conRay Banana
||| ||`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conDV
||| || +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
||| || |+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conDV
||| || ||`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
||| || || `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conDV
||| || ||  `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conAdam H. Kerman
||| || ||   +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
||| || ||   |+- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
||| || ||   |`- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportAdam H. Kerman
||| || ||   `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conDV
||| || |`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conllp
||| || | `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSn!pe
||| || `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conAdam H. Kerman
||| ||  +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSpiros Bousbouras
||| ||  |+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
||| ||  ||+- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSpiros Bousbouras
||| ||  ||`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longernoel
||| ||  || `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
||| ||  ||  +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerThe Doctor
||| ||  ||  |+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
||| ||  ||  ||`- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerThe Doctor
||| ||  ||  |`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
||| ||  ||  | +- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conMarc Haber
||| ||  ||  | `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportimmibis
||| ||  ||  |  +- Effective February 15, 2024,D
||| ||  ||  |  `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
||| ||  ||  |   `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conMarc Haber
||| ||  ||  |    `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conTom Furie
||| ||  ||  |     +- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
||| ||  ||  |     +- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
||| ||  ||  |     `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conMarc Haber
||| ||  ||  +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
||| ||  ||  |`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
||| ||  ||  | `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
||| ||  ||  `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longernoel
||| ||  |`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conRay Banana
||| ||  | `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conDV
||| ||  |  `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSn!pe
||| ||  `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conWally J
||| |+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportAdam H. Kerman
||| ||`- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportcandycanearter07
||| |`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerNigel Reed
||| | `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conWally J
||| `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conThe Doctor
|||  `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportcandycanearter07
|||   `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
|||    +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conRay Banana
|||    |+- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conThe Doctor
|||    |`- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conAdam H. Kerman
|||    `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
|||     `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
||`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSpiros Bousbouras
|| `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conThe Doctor
|`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conThe Doctor
| `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
|  +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conWally J
|  |+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
|  ||+- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSpiros Bousbouras
|  ||`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conWally J
|  || `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportcandycanearter07
|  ||  `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
|  ||   +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
|  ||   |`- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conBlueshirt
|  ||   `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conWally J
|  ||    `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conAdam H. Kerman
|  ||     `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSn!pe
|  ||      `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conAdam H. Kerman
|  ||       `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSn!pe
|  |`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
|  | `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportAndy Burns
|  |  `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
|  |   `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportAndy Burns
|  |    +- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conWally J
|  |    `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longerMarco Moock
|  |     `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportAndy Burns
|  +- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
|  `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportTimo
|   +* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSpiros Bousbouras
|   |+- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conThe Doctor
|   |`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportcandycanearter07
|   | `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
|   |  `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportAndrew
|   |   +* Effective February 15, 2024,D
|   |   `- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportThe Doctor
|   +- Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet conSpiros Bousbouras
|   `* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
+* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportGrant Taylor
+- Effective February 15, 2024,D
`* Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer supportyamo'

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Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet content

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From: bbjt@bbjt.com (Bring Back Jason Todd)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet content
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 by: Bring Back Jason Tod - Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27 UTC

"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet
content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content from Usenet
peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will still be
supported as it is done today.

Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at
groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to Usenet groups,
or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and search for historical
Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.

In addition, Google�s Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) server and associated
peering will no longer be available, meaning Google will not support serving new
Usenet content or exchanging content with other NNTP servers.

This change will not impact any non-Usenet content on Google Groups, including
all user and organization-created groups. Most of the current Google Groups
content is not Usenet content and will not be affected.

Why is Google Groups support for Usenet ending?

Over the last several years, legitimate activity in text-based Usenet groups has
declined significantly because users have moved to more modern technologies and
formats such as social media and web-based forums. Much of the content being
disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google
Groups does not support, as well as spam."

https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet

My friend Jason says that Google permitted the spam wave (at the least) in order
to have an excuse to kill their Usenet interface.

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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer
support new Usenet content
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 16:42:05 -0600
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 by: Nigel Reed - Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:42 UTC

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC)
Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:

> "Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
> new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and
> new content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching
> of historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
>
> Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
> (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to
> Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view
> and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22,
> 2024 on Google Groups.
>
> In addition, Google_s Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) server
> and associated peering will no longer be available, meaning Google
> will not support serving new Usenet content or exchanging content
> with other NNTP servers.
>
> This change will not impact any non-Usenet content on Google Groups,
> including all user and organization-created groups. Most of the
> current Google Groups content is not Usenet content and will not be
> affected.
>
> Why is Google Groups support for Usenet ending?
>
> Over the last several years, legitimate activity in text-based Usenet
> groups has declined significantly because users have moved to more
> modern technologies and formats such as social media and web-based
> forums. Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is
> binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does not support,
> as well as spam."
>
> https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet
>
> My friend Jason says that Google permitted the spam wave (at the
> least) in order to have an excuse to kill their Usenet interface.

"sorry to see them go", said no usenet admin.

--
End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23

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From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet content
Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:49:34 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:49 UTC

In article <ulfvg0$3o1pv$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
>"Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet
>content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content
>from Usenet
>peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will still be
>supported as it is done today.
>
>Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups (at
>groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to
>Usenet groups,
>or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view and search for historical
>Usenet content posted before February 22, 2024 on Google Groups.
>
>In addition, Google�s Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) server and
>associated
>peering will no longer be available, meaning Google will not support
>serving new
>Usenet content or exchanging content with other NNTP servers.
>
>This change will not impact any non-Usenet content on Google Groups, including
>all user and organization-created groups. Most of the current Google Groups
>content is not Usenet content and will not be affected.
>
>Why is Google Groups support for Usenet ending?
>
>Over the last several years, legitimate activity in text-based Usenet
>groups has
>declined significantly because users have moved to more modern
>technologies and
>formats such as social media and web-based forums. Much of the content being
>disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google
>Groups does not support, as well as spam."
>
>https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet
>
>My friend Jason says that Google permitted the spam wave (at the least)
>in order
>to have an excuse to kill their Usenet interface.

My reaction

This banner is on Google GRoups
Effective from 15 February 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content
from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data
will still be supported as it is done today.

Google should pay US$1 000 000 000 000 to every
top1000 listed NNTP server for their abuse they inflicted on
Usenet Servers!

Looks like incompentence on Google's side automation included!
--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
Merry Christmas 2023 and Happy New year 2024 Beware https://mindspring.com

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Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer
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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:49 UTC

In article <20231214164205.208d15b0@wibble.sysadmininc.com>,
Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC)
>Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
>
>> "Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
>> new Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and
>> new content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching
>> of historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
>>
>> Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups
>> (at groups.google.com) to post content to Usenet groups, subscribe to
>> Usenet groups, or view new Usenet content. You can continue to view
>> and search for historical Usenet content posted before February 22,
>> 2024 on Google Groups.
>>
>> In addition, Google_s Network News Transfer Protocol (NNTP) server
>> and associated peering will no longer be available, meaning Google
>> will not support serving new Usenet content or exchanging content
>> with other NNTP servers.
>>
>> This change will not impact any non-Usenet content on Google Groups,
>> including all user and organization-created groups. Most of the
>> current Google Groups content is not Usenet content and will not be
>> affected.
>>
>> Why is Google Groups support for Usenet ending?
>>
>> Over the last several years, legitimate activity in text-based Usenet
>> groups has declined significantly because users have moved to more
>> modern technologies and formats such as social media and web-based
>> forums. Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is
>> binary (non-text) file sharing, which Google Groups does not support,
>> as well as spam."
>>
>> https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet
>>
>> My friend Jason says that Google permitted the spam wave (at the
>> least) in order to have an excuse to kill their Usenet interface.
>
>"sorry to see them go", said no usenet admin.
>

HEAR!! HEAR!!!

>--
>End Of The Line BBS - Plano, TX
>telnet endofthelinebbs.com 23
>
>

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
Merry Christmas 2023 and Happy New year 2024 Beware https://mindspring.com

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 by: Spiros Bousbouras - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 00:48 UTC

[ Crossposting to news.admin.peering , it seems relevant enough. ]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC)
Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
> "Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet
> content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content from Usenet
> peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will still be
> supported as it is done today.

[...]

> https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet

Well , we knew it was coming. I have mixed feelings about it. I discovered
usenet through googlegroups and for my first few years on usenet I was
posting and reading through googlegroups so I'm not going to express
unreserved joy. It's also a concern whether usenet will be able to get new
(and young) users. But with the way things have been , it's for the best.
Many newsservers which have become unusable (on some groups) because they
don't filter any of the spam , will become usable again.

Does anyone know if users who read and post through googlegroups get a
warning about what's coming ? Because if not , we should do something to warn
them. As has been pointed out several times , there do exist legitimate users
who post through googlegroups.

--
"A great disturbance in the internets. It was like a million hentai lovers
voices crying out in unison, then suddenly silenced."
"automatedresponse"
www.reddit.com/r/promos/comments/6mtzb/time_warner_cable_to_block_all_usenet_access

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 by: Richard Harnden - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:27 UTC

On 15/12/2023 00:48, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
> [ Crossposting to news.admin.peering , it seems relevant enough. ]
>
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC)
> Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
>> "Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new Usenet
>> content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content from Usenet
>> peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will still be
>> supported as it is done today.
>
> [...]
>
>> https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet
>
> Well , we knew it was coming. I have mixed feelings about it. I discovered
> usenet through googlegroups and for my first few years on usenet I was
> posting and reading through googlegroups so I'm not going to express
> unreserved joy. It's also a concern whether usenet will be able to get new
> (and young) users. But with the way things have been , it's for the best.
> Many newsservers which have become unusable (on some groups) because they
> don't filter any of the spam , will become usable again.
>
> Does anyone know if users who read and post through googlegroups get a
> warning about what's coming ? Because if not , we should do something to warn
> them. As has been pointed out several times , there do exist legitimate users
> who post through googlegroups.
>

Yes, there is a blue banner at the top saying:

"
Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
"

And a link to their excuse.

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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:31 UTC

In article <YAYuIEZa2c85cpIe+@bongo-ra.co>,
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>[ Crossposting to news.admin.peering , it seems relevant enough. ]
>
>On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC)
>Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
>> "Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
>new Usenet
>> content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content
>from Usenet
>> peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will
>still be
>> supported as it is done today.
>
>[...]
>
>> https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet
>
>Well , we knew it was coming. I have mixed feelings about it. I discovered
>usenet through googlegroups and for my first few years on usenet I was
>posting and reading through googlegroups so I'm not going to express
>unreserved joy. It's also a concern whether usenet will be able to get new
>(and young) users. But with the way things have been , it's for the best.
>Many newsservers which have become unusable (on some groups) because they
>don't filter any of the spam , will become usable again.
>
>Does anyone know if users who read and post through googlegroups get a
>warning about what's coming ? Because if not , we should do something to warn
>them. As has been pointed out several times , there do exist legitimate users
>who post through googlegroups.
>

This is what you get when you cannot control spamtrollers!

>--
>"A great disturbance in the internets. It was like a million hentai lovers
>voices crying out in unison, then suddenly silenced."
> "automatedresponse"
>
>www.reddit.com/r/promos/comments/6mtzb/time_warner_cable_to_block_all_usenet_access

--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
Merry Christmas 2023 and Happy New year 2024 Beware https://mindspring.com

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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:33 UTC

In article <ulga2r$1k2ng$1@dont-email.me>,
Richard Harnden <nospam.harnden@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 15/12/2023 00:48, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>> [ Crossposting to news.admin.peering , it seems relevant enough. ]
>>
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC)
>> Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
>>> "Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
>new Usenet
>>> content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new content
>from Usenet
>>> peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of historical data will
>still be
>>> supported as it is done today.
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet
>>
>> Well , we knew it was coming. I have mixed feelings about it. I discovered
>> usenet through googlegroups and for my first few years on usenet I was
>> posting and reading through googlegroups so I'm not going to express
>> unreserved joy. It's also a concern whether usenet will be able to get new
>> (and young) users. But with the way things have been , it's for the best.
>> Many newsservers which have become unusable (on some groups) because they
>> don't filter any of the spam , will become usable again.
>>
>> Does anyone know if users who read and post through googlegroups get a
>> warning about what's coming ? Because if not , we should do something to warn
>> them. As has been pointed out several times , there do exist legitimate users
>> who post through googlegroups.
>>
>
>Yes, there is a blue banner at the top saying:
>
>"
>Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
>Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
>content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
>historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
>"
>
>And a link to their excuse.
>

They are covering their incompetence!
--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
Merry Christmas 2023 and Happy New year 2024 Beware https://mindspring.com

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 by: Spiros Bousbouras - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:34 UTC

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:27:55 +0000
Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> wrote:
> On 15/12/2023 00:48, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:

[...]

> > Does anyone know if users who read and post through googlegroups get a
> > warning about what's coming ? Because if not , we should do something to warn
> > them. As has been pointed out several times , there do exist legitimate users
> > who post through googlegroups.
> >
>
> Yes, there is a blue banner at the top saying:
>
> "
> Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
> Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
> content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
> historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
> "
>
> And a link to their excuse.

At least they're doing something right.

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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:36 UTC

In article <S19m08fd77BjrCnPj@bongo-ra.co>,
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:27:55 +0000
>Richard Harnden <richard.nospam@gmail.invalid> wrote:
>> On 15/12/2023 00:48, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>> > Does anyone know if users who read and post through googlegroups get a
>> > warning about what's coming ? Because if not , we should do
>something to warn
>> > them. As has been pointed out several times , there do exist
>legitimate users
>> > who post through googlegroups.
>> >
>>
>> Yes, there is a blue banner at the top saying:
>>
>> "
>> Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support new
>> Usenet content. Posting and subscribing will be disallowed, and new
>> content from Usenet peers will not appear. Viewing and searching of
>> historical data will still be supported as it is done today.
>> "
>>
>> And a link to their excuse.
>
>At least they're doing something right.

And stick with it!
--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
Merry Christmas 2023 and Happy New year 2024 Beware https://mindspring.com

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 by: Grant Taylor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:48 UTC

On 12/14/23 16:27, Bring Back Jason Todd wrote:
> My friend Jason says that Google permitted the spam wave (at the least)
> in order to have an excuse to kill their Usenet interface.

LOL

I'll believe it. I saw enough shit like that on the inside.

Like I have said elsewhere, the "Don't" fell over and all that remains
is "be Evil" of the Hollywood style sign.

My view from the inside has made me believe that Usenet support was in
bit-rot mode at Google years ago. Not even on life support.

--
Grant. . . .

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Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> writes:

> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC)
> Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
>
>> "Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
>> new Usenet content.

[...]

> "sorry to see them go", said no usenet admin.

Lol!

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 by: Grant Taylor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:52 UTC

On 12/14/23 19:33, The Doctor wrote:
> They are covering their incompetence!

No, I've worked with them.

They aren't incompetent.

They are doing what they were told to do by management.

This is a business decision, not related to people's capability.

--
Grant. . . .

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 by: Grant Taylor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:55 UTC

On 12/14/23 19:31, The Doctor wrote:
> This is what you get when you cannot control spamtrollers!

I'm sure that they could have done a LOT better if management wanted
them to.

I sort of wonder if they purposely shut off some sort of filtering in
preparation for this and that's why the amount of spam spiked the way it
did recently.

Or, more likely, some internal service was replaced and the replacement
wasn't compatible with the old Google Groups Usenet gateway code, thus
the spam was no longer detected and prevented.

An Oops, followed by "let's see if anyone notices" and "oh ... they
noticed, shut it off" seems very likely.

--
Grant. . . .

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 by: D - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 02:14 UTC

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC), Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
>"Effective February 15, 2024
snip
>Much of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text) file
>sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam."

googlegroups is the number one spammer in all of usenet history,
therefore googlegroups does not support spam and will shut down
the gargantuan google2news servers effective midnight 2024-2-15;
usually when something bad is taken away, something worse takes
its place . . . surely they've planned well in advance for this

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 by: Wally J - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 03:29 UTC

Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote

> I'm sure that they could have done a LOT better if management wanted
> them to.
>
> I sort of wonder if they purposely shut off some sort of filtering in
> preparation for this and that's why the amount of spam spiked the way it
> did recently.
>
> Or, more likely, some internal service was replaced and the replacement
> wasn't compatible with the old Google Groups Usenet gateway code, thus
> the spam was no longer detected and prevented.
>
> An Oops, followed by "let's see if anyone notices" and "oh ... they
> noticed, shut it off" seems very likely.

Agree on everything stated above.
a. Management nixed it
b. Their may have been a recent event (an expired contract perhaps)
c. Spam found a way through the hole it left as a result
d. When the shit hit the fan, they decided to give up on dejagoogle

Their excuse is completely bogus though, but at least they didn't pull the
pedophile child-porn crap that AT&T used as their excuse years ago when
they pulled the plug on Usenet (well before the sex offender Baby Cuomo's
political shenanigans became common public knowledge).

Anyway, the closest archive I know of that covers "most" (many?, some?)
newsgroups is the narkive - but it really sucks in my humble opinion.

<https://news.admin.peering.narkive.com>
<https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com

I would like to ask others to check it out as I've never been successful
with it; but maybe it's just the privacy stuff I have on my browsers?
--
Usenet is a team effort so that we can effectively help others.

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 by: Grant Taylor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 03:47 UTC

On 12/14/23 21:29, Wally J wrote:
> Their excuse is completely bogus though,

No, it's not. It's not an excuse either. It's a reason. The reason
can be shortened to the last word.

They just fail to tell the whole truth -- that the vast majority of the
spam was originating from them -- and nothing but the truth -- the rest
of the fluff that they padded their statement with.

The fact that they are not discontinuing Google Groups supports that
people still use (news)groups to communicate. So any comment about
newer social media is a lie.

But, Google did admit why they were discontinuing support for Usenet;
"spam". They were just a little bit shy on other necessary details.

This perfectly matches things that I've experienced with them multiple
times before.

--
Grant. . . .

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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 04:21 UTC

In article <ulgbgf$9mj$2@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 12/14/23 19:33, The Doctor wrote:
>> They are covering their incompetence!
>
>No, I've worked with them.
>
>They aren't incompetent.
>
>They are doing what they were told to do by management.
>
>This is a business decision, not related to people's capability.
>

Interesting "decision".

>
>
>--
>Grant. . . .

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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 04:22 UTC

In article <ulgbll$9mj$3@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 12/14/23 19:31, The Doctor wrote:
>> This is what you get when you cannot control spamtrollers!
>
>I'm sure that they could have done a LOT better if management wanted
>them to.
>
>I sort of wonder if they purposely shut off some sort of filtering in
>preparation for this and that's why the amount of spam spiked the way it
>did recently.
>
>Or, more likely, some internal service was replaced and the replacement
>wasn't compatible with the old Google Groups Usenet gateway code, thus
>the spam was no longer detected and prevented.
>
>An Oops, followed by "let's see if anyone notices" and "oh ... they
>noticed, shut it off" seems very likely.
>

CERtainly does sound competent.

>
>
>--
>Grant. . . .

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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 04:26 UTC

In article <ulgb9j$9mk$4@tncsrv09.home.tnetconsulting.net>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
>On 12/14/23 16:27, Bring Back Jason Todd wrote:
>> My friend Jason says that Google permitted the spam wave (at the least)
>> in order to have an excuse to kill their Usenet interface.
>
>LOL
>
>I'll believe it. I saw enough shit like that on the inside.
>
>Like I have said elsewhere, the "Don't" fell over and all that remains
>is "be Evil" of the Hollywood style sign.
>
>My view from the inside has made me believe that Usenet support was in
>bit-rot mode at Google years ago. Not even on life support.
>
Google just shot themselves in the foot vis-a-vis usenet!

>
>
>--
>Grant. . . .

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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
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 by: The Doctor - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 04:26 UTC

In article <8734w4fd2p.fsf@yaxenu.org>, Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> writes:
>
>> On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 22:27:12 -0000 (UTC)
>> Bring Back Jason Todd <bbjt@bbjt.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Effective February 15, 2024, Google Groups will no longer support
>>> new Usenet content.
>
>[...]
>
>> "sorry to see them go", said no usenet admin.
>
>Lol!

;-)
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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
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 by: yamo' - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 11:31 UTC

Hi,

Bring Back Jason Todd a tapoté le 14/12/2023 23:27:
> https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet
>
> My friend Jason says that Google permitted the spam wave (at the least) in order
> to have an excuse to kill their Usenet interface.

What a pity!
It is not a good publicity for Google!

--
Stéphane

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 by: Marco Moock - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 11:47 UTC

Am 14.12.2023 um 23:29:06 Uhr schrieb Wally J:

> Anyway, the closest archive I know of that covers "most" (many?,
> some?) newsgroups is the narkive - but it really sucks in my humble
> opinion.
>
> <https://news.admin.peering.narkive.com>
> <https://news.admin.net-abuse.usenet.narkive.com
>
> I would like to ask others to check it out as I've never been
> successful with it; but maybe it's just the privacy stuff I have on
> my browsers?

It works, posting is intentionally disabled.
I can read groups properly, some are full of Google spam.

Sadly, there is no list of all groups hosted there.

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 by: Marc Haber - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 12:38 UTC

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>They are covering their incompetence!

And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
while being on their own way out.

Greetings
Marc
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 by: D - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 14:09 UTC

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:38:33 +0100, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>They are covering their incompetence!
>
>And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
>ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
>while being on their own way out.

and yet the schizophrenic would believe that should make perfect sense;
google is a ghost ship that answers to no one, adrift for all eternity

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