On 12/15/23 06:38, Marc Haber wrote:
> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> They are covering their incompetence!
>
> And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
> ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
> while being on their own way out.
>
> Greetings
> Marc

I am a bit worried that their statement could end up turning people away
from pursuing Usenet.
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In article <ulhhca$kud4$1@news1.tnib.de>,
Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>They are covering their incompetence!
>
>And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
>ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
>while being on their own way out.
>

So shutting spammers down might not be a google priority.

>Greetings
>Marc
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On 12/15/23 10:02, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <ulhhca$kud4$1@news1.tnib.de>,
> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>> They are covering their incompetence!
>>
>> And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
>> ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
>> while being on their own way out.
>>
>
> So shutting spammers down might not be a google priority.

Why would you think Google cares?
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In article <ulhs7p$1uv5b$5@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 12/15/23 06:38, Marc Haber wrote:
>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>> They are covering their incompetence!
>>
>> And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
>> ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
>> while being on their own way out.
>>
>> Greetings
>> Marc
>
>I am a bit worried that their statement could end up turning people away
>from pursuing Usenet.

WEll less automation and more verification helps.

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In article <ulhtil$1uv5b$9@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 12/15/23 10:02, The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <ulhhca$kud4$1@news1.tnib.de>,
>> Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>> They are covering their incompetence!
>>>
>>> And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
>>> ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
>>> while being on their own way out.
>>>
>>
>> So shutting spammers down might not be a google priority.
>
>Why would you think Google cares?

Hence incompetence.

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In article <ulhdei$ob7$2@rasp.pasdenom.info>, yamo' <yamo@groumpf.org> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Bring Back Jason Todd a tapoté le 14/12/2023 23:27:
>> https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet
>>
>> My friend Jason says that Google permitted the spam wave (at the
>least) in order
>> to have an excuse to kill their Usenet interface.
>
>What a pity!
>It is not a good publicity for Google!
>

Exactement!

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In article <20231215.140949.4d2394c5@mixmin.net>,
D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:
>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:38:33 +0100, Marc Haber
><mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>They are covering their incompetence!
>>
>>And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
>>ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
>>while being on their own way out.
>
>and yet the schizophrenic would believe that should make perfect sense;
>google is a ghost ship that answers to no one, adrift for all eternity
>

And now floundering!
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On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 16:17:19 -0000 (UTC), doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>In article <20231215.140949.4d2394c5@mixmin.net>, D <noreply@mixmin.net> wrote:
>>On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 13:38:33 +0100, Marc Haber <mh+usenetspam1118@zugschl.us> wrote:
>>>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>>>They are covering their incompetence!
>>>And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
>>>ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
>>>while being on their own way out.
>>
>>and yet the schizophrenic would believe that should make perfect sense;
>>google is a ghost ship that answers to no one, adrift for all eternity
>
>And now floundering!

scandal loves publicity . . .

befittingly, on Sunday June 18, 2023 before ~13:45 UT/11:15 NDT,
the tiny Titan submersible imploded in deep descent, its debris
field found days later near the bow of its ill-fated namesake...

She'd struck the iceberg about *11:40 PM Local Titanic Time(see
note below) late Sunday night, April 14, 1912, near 49W55 41N47,
albeit the wreck of the Titan (no, not the prophetic novella by
Morgan Robertson published in 1898, but the wreckage discovered
in 1985) was found near 49W56:51,41N43:46 about 2.4 miles b.s.l.

*NOTE this time has been rectified to approximately 3:07 AM GMT
April 15, 1912, based on extensive records, testimony, distress
calls, official inquiries, exhaustive Internet discussions, etc.
Notably, the actual LMT of 49:55W is UT -3:19. So the Titanic's
post-10:00 PM, 47-minute setback clock was only about 8 minutes
slow by the ship's reported time 11:40 PM, GMT -3:27, NYT +1:33,
i.e. relative to GMT, not the calculated midday southing on the
ship's projected course for April 15th, as the IMM/WS's 'Ship's
Rules and Uniform Regulations' handbook (1907 edition) explains.
Other reports suggest the ship's clock was only about 6 minutes
slow therearound, but I leave such discrepancies to the experts.
Considering the projected course, heading, and nextday southing,
7 minutes slow is judicious. But what's one minute more or less?

Morgan Andrew Robertson was born to Andrew & Amelia Glassford-
Robertson at the two-storey frame house(76W31:14,43N27:27)68 W
8th St, Oswego New York on Monday 30 September 1861(AA/HR).

Thus spake candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net>
> I am a bit worried that their statement could end up turning people
> away from pursuing Usenet.

Eternal-September's registration page says otherwise.

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Thus spake doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>>Why would you think Google cares?
> Hence incompetence.

Google's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which can be
adequately explained by malice.

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In article <8my1dvz8kw.fsf@raybanana.net>,
Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
>Thus spake doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>
>>>Why would you think Google cares?
>> Hence incompetence.
>
>Google's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which can be
>adequately explained by malice.
>

Good point!

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Ray Banana wrote:

> Eternal-September's registration page says otherwise.

Hi Ray, the Eternal-September URL seems to no longer work in http, as it
appears in your signature. It's OK in https though:

<https://www.eternal-september.org>

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 12/15/23 06:38, Marc Haber wrote:
>>And they even say one of the reasons is spam, while they're being the
>>ONE BIGGEST source of Usenet spam. Blame their own doing on others
>>while being on their own way out.

>I am a bit worried that their statement could end up turning people away
>from pursuing Usenet.

Somehow Usenet will survive without the people who refuse to try Usenet
due to believing Google's lies.

Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
>Thus spake doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
>>>Why would you think Google cares?

>>Hence incompetence.

>Google's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which can be
>adequately explained by malice.

Hahahahahahahaha

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 21:47:21 -0600
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> wrote:
> On 12/14/23 21:29, Wally J wrote:
> > Their excuse is completely bogus though,
>
> No, it's not. It's not an excuse either. It's a reason. The reason
> can be shortened to the last word.
>
> They just fail to tell the whole truth -- that the vast majority of the
> spam was originating from them -- and nothing but the truth -- the rest
> of the fluff that they padded their statement with.
>
> The fact that they are not discontinuing Google Groups supports that
> people still use (news)groups to communicate. So any comment about
> newer social media is a lie.
>
> But, Google did admit why they were discontinuing support for Usenet;
> "spam". They were just a little bit shy on other necessary details.

The relevant part of the statement (from
https://support.google.com/groups?p=usenet) is

Over the last several years, legitimate activity in text-based Usenet
groups has declined significantly because users have moved to more modern
technologies and formats such as social media and web-based forums. Much
of the content being disseminated via Usenet today is binary (non-text)
file sharing, which Google Groups does not support, as well as spam.

It clearly refers to usenet not the <message board like> private
googlegroups. In fact the "web-based forums" does include the private
googlegroups as a special case so that part of the statement seems perfectly
truthful to me. In fact I appreciate its neutrality ; it doesn't claim that
the newer media are better than usenet but simply that they are more modern
(which I interpret as "more recently created") and that many people have moved
to them. 100% correct.

Regarding spam , a more complete statement might have been

Most of the usenet spam gets posted through googlegroups. If Google devoted
enough resources to it , we could have filtered that spam but , given the
reduced participation of legitimate users on usenet , we decided not to
expend those resources , especially considering that fighting spam is a
never ending arms race with the spammers.

Such a statement would be more complete but I wouldn't regard it as more
truthful.

> This perfectly matches things that I've experienced with them multiple
> times before.

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Am 15.12.2023 um 17:47:10 Uhr schrieb DV:

> Hi Ray, the Eternal-September URL seems to no longer work in http, as
> it appears in your signature. It's OK in https though:

Works for me.

Marco Moock a écrit ceci :

> Works for me.

It works if I ask my browser to favor the secure connection (https), but
in this case any http URL will result in an error message.

In my opinion, when an https connection is available, it is better to
add the 's' in the link.

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Am 15.12.2023 um 20:09:45 Uhr schrieb DV:

> Marco Moock a écrit ceci :
>
> > Works for me.
>
> It works if I ask my browser to favor the secure connection (https),
> but in this case any http URL will result in an error message.

It works for me with http and https. I use Pale Moon.

DV <dv@yakakwatik.invalid> wrote:
>Ray Banana wrote:

>>Eternal-September's registration page says otherwise.

>Hi Ray, the Eternal-September URL seems to no longer work in http, as it
>appears in your signature. It's OK in https though:

><https://www.eternal-september.org>

Like Marco, I confirm that I can reach http://www.eternal-september.org/
which does not redirect to https://www.eternal-september.org/

Marco Moock a écrit ceci :

>> It works if I ask my browser to favor the secure connection (https),
>> but in this case any http URL will result in an error message.
>
> It works for me with http and https. I use Pale Moon.

The problem occurs in Vivaldi, and probably in other Chrome-based
browsers.

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On 12/15/23 10:11, The Doctor wrote:
> Hence incompetence.

Lack of caring and incompetence are two very different things.

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DV <dv@yakakwatik.invalid> wrote:
>Marco Moock a écrit ceci :

>>>It works if I ask my browser to favor the secure connection (https),
>>>but in this case any http URL will result in an error message.

>>It works for me with http and https. I use Pale Moon.

>The problem occurs in Vivaldi, and probably in other Chrome-based
>browsers.

What, by default, the browser refuses to load http? That's an incredibly
stupid client.

On 12/15/23 14:34, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> What, by default, the browser refuses to load http? That's an
> incredibly stupid client.

No ... it's a byproduct of evolving security on the web for the last
10-15 years.

It used to be assumed that unencrypted HTTP was the default and
encrypted HTTPS was the exception. We're now probably two thirds the
way along the migration to where encrypted HTTPS is assumed the default
and unencrypted HTTP is the exception.

Some browsers have chosen to make it so that they won't try unencrypted
HTTP without explicitly telling it to like many browsers years ago
wouldn't try encrypted HTTPS without explicitly telling them to.

It's an ongoing change.

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Marco Moock wrote:

> schrieb Wally J:
>
>> the closest archive I know of that covers "most" (many?,
>> some?) newsgroups is the narkive
>
> Sadly, there is no list of all groups hosted there.

Nor is there any way to contact them and request adding newer groups.

On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:17:31 -0000 (UTC)
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> DV <dv@yakakwatik.invalid> wrote:
> >Ray Banana wrote:
>
> >>Eternal-September's registration page says otherwise.
>
> >Hi Ray, the Eternal-September URL seems to no longer work in http, as it
> >appears in your signature. It's OK in https though:
>
> ><https://www.eternal-september.org>
>
> Like Marco, I confirm that I can reach http://www.eternal-september.org/
> which does not redirect to https://www.eternal-september.org/

For me www.eternal-september.org resolves to
135.181.20.170 and 2a01:4f9:4b:44c2::2 .For the former wget says
"failed: Connection refused" .I can't connect to the latter either but I
don't seem able to connect to IPv6 addresses in general so that's not
related to eternal-september .So possibly the reason that some people
can connect and some cannot is that the people who cannot have problems
handling IPv6 addresses in general.