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* Abusive cancelllp
+* Abusive cancelIvo Gandolfo
|+* Abusive cancelllp
||+* Abusive cancelNigel Reed
|||`* Abusive cancelllp
||| `* Abusive cancelD
|||  +* on google groups (Was: Re: Abusive cancel)Julieta Shem
|||  |+* on google groups (Was: Re: Abusive cancel)The Doctor
|||  ||+* on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  |||+* on google groupsThe Doctor
|||  ||||`* on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  |||| `- on google groupsThe Doctor
|||  |||`* on google groupsAndrew
|||  ||| +- on google groupsScott Dorsey
|||  ||| `- on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  ||`- on google groups (Was: Re: Abusive cancel)immibis
|||  |`* on google groups (Was: Re: Abusive cancel)D
|||  | +- on google groups (Was: Re: Abusive cancel)The Doctor
|||  | `* on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  |  `* on google groupsGrant Taylor
|||  |   `* on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  |    `* on google groupsGrant Taylor
|||  |     `* on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  |      `* on google groupsGrant Taylor
|||  |       `* on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  |        `* on google groupsScott Dorsey
|||  |         +* on google groupsThe Doctor
|||  |         |`* on google groupsScott Dorsey
|||  |         | `* on google groupsSugarBug
|||  |         |  `* on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  |         |   +- on google groupsFrank Slootweg
|||  |         |   `* on google groupsSugarBug
|||  |         |    `- on google groupsScott Dorsey
|||  |         +- on google groupsJulieta Shem
|||  |         +- on google groupsAndrew
|||  |         `- on google groupsComputer Nerd Kev
|||  `* Abusive cancelThe Doctor
|||   `- Abusive cancelD
||`* Abusive cancelIvo Gandolfo
|| +* Abusive cancelllp
|| |`* Abusive cancelFrank Slootweg
|| | `* Abusive cancelllp
|| |  `* Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   +- Abusive cancelIvo Gandolfo
|| |   +* Abusive cancelOlivier Miakinen
|| |   |+- Abusive cancelllp
|| |   |+- Abusive cancelllp
|| |   |`* Re: Abusive cancelSpaceship
|| |   | +* Re: Abusive cancelOlivier Miakinen
|| |   | |+- Re: Abusive cancelSpaceship
|| |   | |`- Re: Abusive cancelllp
|| |   | `* Re: Abusive cancelDV
|| |   |  `* Re: Abusive cancelEric M
|| |   |   +* Re: Abusive cancelvictor
|| |   |   |`* Re: Abusive cancelDV
|| |   |   | `* Re: Abusive cancelSpaceship
|| |   |   |  `* Re: Abusive cancelDV
|| |   |   |   `* Re: Abusive cancelSpaceship
|| |   |   |    +* Re: Abusive cancelDV
|| |   |   |    |`* Re: Abusive cancelSpaceship
|| |   |   |    | `* Re: Abusive cancelOlivier Miakinen
|| |   |   |    |  `* Re: Abusive cancelllp
|| |   |   |    |   `* Re: Abusive cancelFrank Slootweg
|| |   |   |    |    +* Re: Abusive cancelEric M
|| |   |   |    |    |`* Re: Abusive cancelFrank Slootweg
|| |   |   |    |    | `- Re: Abusive cancelEric M
|| |   |   |    |    `* Re: Abusive cancelOlivier Miakinen
|| |   |   |    |     +- Re: Abusive cancelvictor
|| |   |   |    |     `* Re: Abusive cancelllp
|| |   |   |    |      `* Re: Abusive cancelFrank Slootweg
|| |   |   |    |       `* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |        `* Re: Abusive cancelFrank Slootweg
|| |   |   |    |         +* Re: Abusive cancelOlivier Miakinen
|| |   |   |    |         |+* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |         ||`* Re: Abusive cancelOlivier Miakinen
|| |   |   |    |         || `* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |         ||  `- Re: Abusive cancelllp
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|| |   |   |    |         ||`* Re: Abusive cancelimmibis
|| |   |   |    |         || `- Re: Abusive cancelScott Dorsey
|| |   |   |    |         |`* Re: Abusive cancelFrank Slootweg
|| |   |   |    |         | `* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |         |  +* Re: Abusive cancelllp
|| |   |   |    |         |  |`* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
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|| |   |   |    |         |  `* Re: Abusive cancelFrank Slootweg
|| |   |   |    |         |   `* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |         |    +* Re: Abusive cancelIvo Gandolfo
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|| |   |   |    |         |    ||`* Re: Abusive cancelIvo Gandolfo
|| |   |   |    |         |    || +- Re: Abusive cancelD
|| |   |   |    |         |    || `- Re: Abusive cancelllp
|| |   |   |    |         |    |`* Re: Abusive cancelFrank Slootweg
|| |   |   |    |         |    | `* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |         |    |  `* Re: Abusive cancelllp
|| |   |   |    |         |    |   `* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |         |    |    `* Re: Abusive cancelllp
|| |   |   |    |         |    |     `- Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |         |    `* Re: Abusive cancelimmibis
|| |   |   |    |         |     `- Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|| |   |   |    |         +* Re: Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
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|| |   |   |    |         `- Re: Abusive cancelllp
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|| |   |   `- Re: Abusive cancelSpaceship
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|| |   `* Abusive cancelllp
|| `- Abusive cancelAdam H. Kerman
|+* Abusive cancelllp
|`* Re: Abusive cancelChez
+- Abusive cancelnoel
+* Abusive cancelEric M
`* Please stop this masquerade (Abusive cancel)Olivier Miakinen

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Re: on google groups

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From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: on google groups
Date: 30 Dec 2023 14:42:34 -0000
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 by: Scott Dorsey - Sat, 30 Dec 2023 14:42 UTC

In article <87mstswhkj.fsf@yaxenu.org>, Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
>
>> On 12/29/23 11:06, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>> these are fixed decisions because they all belong to your past already.
>>
>> No they are not.
>
>Lol. You don't seem to know how to suppose or refuse to do so. Either
>way is quite alright with me. No hard feelings.

I think the argument that is being made is that if you don't store something,
it will be lost, and that once it is lost it stays that way. So you need to
make the decision about what to archive before that happens.

If it were me, I would not actually bother to archive Usenet because there is
so little actual worthwhile traffic on Usenet these days. But I would be very
interested in maintaining archives from the past. But, I didn't keep those
archives from the past, so they are now lost to me.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Re: on google groups

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From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: on google groups
Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:05:14 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: The Doctor - Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:05 UTC

In article <umpa8q$cpn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>In article <87mstswhkj.fsf@yaxenu.org>, Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>>Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 12/29/23 11:06, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>>> these are fixed decisions because they all belong to your past already.
>>>
>>> No they are not.
>>
>>Lol. You don't seem to know how to suppose or refuse to do so. Either
>>way is quite alright with me. No hard feelings.
>
>I think the argument that is being made is that if you don't store something,
>it will be lost, and that once it is lost it stays that way. So you need to
>make the decision about what to archive before that happens.
>
>If it were me, I would not actually bother to archive Usenet because there is
>so little actual worthwhile traffic on Usenet these days. But I would be very
>interested in maintaining archives from the past. But, I didn't keep those
>archives from the past, so they are now lost to me.
>--scott
>--
>"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

I wonder continue to archive US"Enetto the last post.
--
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Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ; unsubscribe from Google Groups to be seen
Merry Christmas 2023 and Happy New year 2024 Beware https://mindspring.com

Re: on google groups

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Subject: Re: on google groups
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 by: Scott Dorsey - Sat, 30 Dec 2023 15:23 UTC

In article <umpbja$1gdq$3@gallifrey.nk.ca>,
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>In article <umpa8q$cpn$1@panix2.panix.com>,
>Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>>In article <87mstswhkj.fsf@yaxenu.org>, Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>>>Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 12/29/23 11:06, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>>>> these are fixed decisions because they all belong to your past already.
>>>>
>>>> No they are not.
>>>
>>>Lol. You don't seem to know how to suppose or refuse to do so. Either
>>>way is quite alright with me. No hard feelings.
>>
>>I think the argument that is being made is that if you don't store something,
>>it will be lost, and that once it is lost it stays that way. So you need to
>>make the decision about what to archive before that happens.
>>
>>If it were me, I would not actually bother to archive Usenet because there is
>>so little actual worthwhile traffic on Usenet these days. But I would be very
>>interested in maintaining archives from the past. But, I didn't keep those
>>archives from the past, so they are now lost to me.
>
>I wonder continue to archive US"Enetto the last post.

That sentence no verb.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Re: on google groups

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 by: Julieta Shem - Sat, 30 Dec 2023 20:37 UTC

kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) writes:

> In article <87mstswhkj.fsf@yaxenu.org>, Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:

[...]

> If it were me, I would not actually bother to archive Usenet because there is
> so little actual worthwhile traffic on Usenet these days. But I would be very
> interested in maintaining archives from the past. But, I didn't keep those
> archives from the past, so they are now lost to me.

Even if it's nearly 100% garbage, it's still useful so long as the
archives are redundant so as to be always there in the future. Take the
Bitcoin network as an example. If you want to prove you thought
something up, you can store a proof of your thought on the network.
That's a ``publication right'' that you can't get by publishing on your
homepage, say. See, for example,

https://cr.yp.to/docs/selfpipe.html

and suppose that homepage gets destroyed without anyone archiving it ---
the author loses the evidence of publication. Scientists have lots of
private services to archive their publications, but regular people can
only count on the USENET.

The Bitcoin network is expensive for this the purpose of publication,
while the USENET is cheaper --- though not cheap enough given all the
work people put in here.

Re: on google groups

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Subject: Re: on google groups
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 by: Andrew - Sat, 30 Dec 2023 20:39 UTC

Scott Dorsey wrote:
> In article <87mstswhkj.fsf@yaxenu.org>, Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>> Grant Taylor <gtaylor@tnetconsulting.net> writes:
>>
>>> On 12/29/23 11:06, Julieta Shem wrote:
>>>> these are fixed decisions because they all belong to your past already.
>>>
>>> No they are not.
>>
>> Lol. You don't seem to know how to suppose or refuse to do so. Either
>> way is quite alright with me. No hard feelings.
>
> I think the argument that is being made is that if you don't store something,
> it will be lost, and that once it is lost it stays that way. So you need to
> make the decision about what to archive before that happens.
>
> If it were me, I would not actually bother to archive Usenet because there is
> so little actual worthwhile traffic on Usenet these days. But I would be very
> interested in maintaining archives from the past. But, I didn't keep those
> archives from the past, so they are now lost to me.
> --scott
>

Once one reaches the decision to archive it, one has to reach a decision
on what to do with the 6-figure number of Thai spam mails - and their
friends - which caused so many problems recently.
When I archived a couple of groups from the old Mozilla server I went
through the 150 000 messages in there, cutting the spam out. A lot of
that was by hand, although I did write some filters to handle part of
the job. That on a larger scale? Forget it, life's too short.

Re: on google groups

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From: not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject: Re: on google groups
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 by: Computer Nerd Kev - Sat, 30 Dec 2023 22:23 UTC

Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
> If it were me, I would not actually bother to archive Usenet because there is
> so little actual worthwhile traffic on Usenet these days.

The posts that clueless Google Groups users reply to (as observed
back when I still saw them) after stumbling onto ancient threads
are an insight into some of the things that might seem irrelevent
to a future audience but are obviously being searched for and read
decades later.

Personally I _do_ find old Usenet threads in search results fairly
often myself. Sometimes from Google Groups, sometimes Narkive,
and there used to be lots of other group-specific Usenet archives
disguised as web forums but either they've been dying or Duck Duck
Go is filtering them out.

I don't try to encourage Usenet results in those web searches. I
don't know why I read others in these recent discussions saying
this has never happened to them. It must just be the questions I
ask, or because I use Duck Duck Go. No not all such searches
are about very old computer hardware/software, some topics are
relatively timeless.

Anyway Narkive seems to be fueling the search engine indexes for
new Usenet threads, so if Google Groups keeps the old archives then
the situation shouldn't change. Maybe that Rocksolid archive will get
indexed and start showing up in results too, which might substitute
for some more of the Google Groups archive if they do eventually
remove that?

--
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#_ < |\| |< _# | Note: I won't see posts made from Google Groups |

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Subject: Re: on google groups
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 by: SugarBug - Sat, 30 Dec 2023 22:47 UTC

On 30 Dec 2023 15:23:31 -0000
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

<snip>

> That sentence no verb.
> --scott

That grammar bad.
That syntax no sense.

Grammar Nazi, meet Syntax Soviet.

--
@firefly@neon.nightbulb.net | https://neon.nightbulb.net/firefly
Grand Garter General of the Imperial Baggy Jeans Mafia

Re: on google groups

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 by: Julieta Shem - Sun, 31 Dec 2023 03:42 UTC

SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:

> On 30 Dec 2023 15:23:31 -0000
> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> That sentence no verb.
>> --scott
>
> That grammar bad.
> That syntax no sense.
>
> Grammar Nazi, meet Syntax Soviet.

Lol!

Tell him as well that his signature violates section 4.3 of RFC 3676.

Re: on google groups

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Sun, 31 Dec 2023 10:57 UTC

Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
> SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:
>
> > On 30 Dec 2023 15:23:31 -0000
> > kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> That sentence no verb.
> >> --scott
> >
> > That grammar bad.
> > That syntax no sense.
> >
> > Grammar Nazi, meet Syntax Soviet.
>
> Lol!
>
> Tell him as well that his signature violates section 4.3 of RFC 3676.

Nah, better explain you the difference between a signoff and
signature! :-)

Re: on google groups

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 by: SugarBug - Sun, 31 Dec 2023 11:49 UTC

On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 00:42:08 -0300
Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:

> SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:
>
> > On 30 Dec 2023 15:23:31 -0000
> > kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> That sentence no verb.
> >> --scott
> >
> > That grammar bad.
> > That syntax no sense.
> >
> > Grammar Nazi, meet Syntax Soviet.
>
> Lol!
>
> Tell him as well that his signature violates section 4.3 of RFC 3676.

It's a deadly trio. Signzatsgruppen Sigzstaffel has entered the chat.

We must sign a free trollingsraum pact before all bazinga breaks loose.

--
General of the Baggy Jeans Mafia | https://neon.nightbulb.net/firefly

If your jeans don't have room for tools they
are not really jeans; they are denim leotards.

Re: on google groups

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 by: Scott Dorsey - Sun, 31 Dec 2023 22:24 UTC

In article <20231231054917.4c5a5aaf@dev>, SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> wrote:
>On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 00:42:08 -0300
>Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:
>
>> SugarBug <3883@sugar.bug> writes:
>>
>> > On 30 Dec 2023 15:23:31 -0000
>> > kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> >
>> > <snip>
>> >
>> >> That sentence no verb.
>> >> --scott
>> >
>> > That grammar bad.
>> > That syntax no sense.
>> >
>> > Grammar Nazi, meet Syntax Soviet.
>>
>> Lol!
>>
>> Tell him as well that his signature violates section 4.3 of RFC 3676.
>
>It's a deadly trio. Signzatsgruppen Sigzstaffel has entered the chat.

Perhaps, if you think I am out of line, then you could explain to me just what

> I wonder continue to archive US"Enetto the last post.

actually means, then?
Because it does not seem to be useful communication to me.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Re: Abusive cancel

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 by: immibis - Tue, 2 Jan 2024 02:25 UTC

On 12/29/23 16:48, Andrew wrote:
> Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> llp <contact@usenet.ovh> writes:
>>> I published this initial message because, contrary to what you seem to
>>> think, these cancels are accepted by default in inn2's basic
>>> configuration (english is not my native language and perhaps I
>>> misunderstood what you were saying).
>>
>> This was changed in (I think) INN 2.7. Unauthenticated cancels are now
>> ignored by default.
>
> As they absolutely should be, or do you want me to issue a couple of
> hundred cancels spread over several newsgroups?
> (This something I have no idea how to do and no intention of trying, but
> we have a few people around who would love the opportunity).
>
>>
>> https://github.com/InterNetNews/inn/blob/main/doc/pod/inn.conf.pod#user-content-docancels
>>
>

If people around you are saying abusive cancels are no problem, then I
think that's encouragement for you to abusively cancel all their
messages - after all, it is no problem and not abuse, according to them.

Re: Abusive cancel

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Subject: Re: Abusive cancel
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 by: llp - Fri, 5 Jan 2024 21:57 UTC

Ivo Gandolfo a formulé la demande :
> On 27/12/2023 22:44, llp wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I want to inform you that non-consensual global cancellations for
>> "flood" and concerning the "fr" hierarchy are being issued from the
> [cut]
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Admin of news.usenet.ovh
>
> Nope, you just don't like the outcome
>
> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=<umh49a%24jtn%241%40cabale.usenet-fr.net>
>
> If it were truly abusive as you have been claiming for months now, I would
> never have offered space for a similar service. But since Olivier has much
> more experience in the hierarchy than you, and above all much more support,
> he also has my almost unconditional support. [cut]

And what did the guy who has your unconditional support do?
See <un9ljj$16r4$1@cabale.usenet-fr.net>
I quote:
"A false manipulation on the cancellation robot targeting
the anonymous Zorro has unfortunately cancelled many legitimate
articles [cut] between December 5, 2023 and January 5, 2024
(one month, therefore)."

Will your server continue to withstand this abuse?
(I remind you that the previous newsmaster of the defunct alphanet
server had covered the 3600 illegitimate and voluntary cancellations
made over a year in one go).

Sincerely.

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

Re: Abusive cancel

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 by: llp - Fri, 5 Jan 2024 23:18 UTC

llp a pensé très fort :
> Ivo Gandolfo a formulé la demande :
>> On 27/12/2023 22:44, llp wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> I want to inform you that non-consensual global cancellations for
>>> "flood" and concerning the "fr" hierarchy are being issued from the
>> [cut]
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Admin of news.usenet.ovh
>>
>> Nope, you just don't like the outcome
>>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=<umh49a%24jtn%241%40cabale.usenet-fr.net>
>>
>> If it were truly abusive as you have been claiming for months now, I would
>> never have offered space for a similar service. But since Olivier has much
>> more experience in the hierarchy than you, and above all much more support,
>> he also has my almost unconditional support. [cut]
>
> And what did the guy who has your unconditional support do?
> See <un9ljj$16r4$1@cabale.usenet-fr.net>
> I quote:
> "A false manipulation on the cancellation robot targeting
> the anonymous Zorro has unfortunately cancelled many legitimate
> articles [cut] between December 5, 2023 and January 5, 2024
> (one month, therefore)."
>
> Will your server continue to withstand this abuse?
> (I remind you that the previous newsmaster of the defunct alphanet
> server had covered the 3600 illegitimate and voluntary cancellations
> made over a year in one go).
>
> Sincerely.

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Re: Abusive cancel

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From: usenet@bofh.team (Ivo Gandolfo)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: Abusive cancel
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2024 00:58:09 +0100
Organization: To protect and to server
Message-ID: <una52h$3q42k$1@paganini.bofh.team>
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 by: Ivo Gandolfo - Fri, 5 Jan 2024 23:58 UTC

On 05/01/2024 22:57, llp wrote:
> And what did the guy who has your unconditional support do?
> [cut]
>
> Will your server continue to withstand this abuse?
> (I remind you that the previous newsmaster of the defunct alphanet
> server had covered the 3600 illegitimate and voluntary cancellations
> made over a year in one go).

Absolutely, actually even more so now. And I don't even try to explain
why, either you wouldn't understand it or you're so full of
preconceptions that you wouldn't want to understand it anyway.
But unlike Marc, I don't get offended if someone insults me, persecutes
me or does bad things against me, also because in 100% of cases I will
agree with them. And despite being 40 years old I still have enough
energy to manage something like usenet, in fact right now I'm working to
expand the service I offer, and Olivier is part of this future, whether
you like it or not.

Sincerely

--
Ivo Gandolfo

Re: Abusive cancel

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Subject: Re: Abusive cancel
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 by: llp - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 08:26 UTC

Le 06/01/2024, Ivo Gandolfo a supposé :
> On 05/01/2024 22:57, llp wrote:
>> And what did the guy who has your unconditional support do?
> > [cut]
>>
>> Will your server continue to withstand this abuse?
>> (I remind you that the previous newsmaster of the defunct alphanet
>> server had covered the 3600 illegitimate and voluntary cancellations
>> made over a year in one go).
>
>
> Absolutely, actually even more so now. And I don't even try to explain why,
> either you wouldn't understand it or you're so full of preconceptions that
> you wouldn't want to understand it anyway.

You're right, I can't understand a newsmaster who encourages and
supports a person who abuses from your server.

> [cut] And despite being 40 years old I still have enough energy to manage
> something like usenet,

Then I'm older than you.
Although I don't see what age has to do with it.

> in fact right now I'm working to expand the service I offer,
> and Olivier is part of this future, whether you like it or not.

When you complained about having only three feeds left, I answered your
call. But today I can't, in good conscience, continue to support you in
your action.

Sincerelery.

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

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From: om+news@miakinen.net (Olivier Miakinen)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Subject: Re: Abusive cancel
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 by: Olivier Miakinen - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 10:09 UTC

Le 06/01/2024 à 00:58, Ivo Gandolfo responded to llp :
>>
>> Will your server continue to withstand this abuse?
>
> Absolutely, actually even more so now.

Thank you.

However, in order that I don't risk to cancel other legitimate posts,
for the anonymous hateful Zorro I will let you stop him to use your
server instead of me trying to cancel him afterwards.

Of course he uses a VPN so it is hard to stop him completely, but here
is the current list of posting-hosts he used on paganini :
posting-host="aJqRCYORex+qw7Hdj/favw.user.paganini.bofh.team"
posting-host="ip1JLA9M/LlzVZplJtZivw.user.paganini.bofh.team"
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posting-host="anR4YpMNijul/+hpGOvYXQ.user.paganini.bofh.team"

Apparently his account on eternal-september was already closed because
he doesn't use it anymore :
posting-host="45f3c7331614b9331d54ef10c35a8af6"
posting-host="b5bd1cf56581709933727c2fa571223a"
posting-host="53d4efb9463f1aaa9f16b58464a4d0f9"
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posting-host="690e39402ab684ea861196540d64b30d"
posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+KqbzvDQgvg4GEFpnip8+nFWN5jvJ7UB4="

And, before someone asks, let me recall that the cancellation of all
the posts of Zorro because of his many abuses has been decided by
consensus : <news:umh49a$jtn$1@cabale.usenet-fr.net>.

Sincerely,

--
Olivier Miakinen

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 by: Olivier Miakinen - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 12:04 UTC

Le 06/01/2024 à 11:09, Olivier Miakinen a écrit :
>
> However, in order that I don't risk to cancel other legitimate posts,
> for the anonymous hateful Zorro I will let you stop him to use your
> server instead of me trying to cancel him afterwards.
>
> Of course he uses a VPN so it is hard to stop him completely, but here
> is the current list of posting-hosts he used on paganini :
> posting-host="aJqRCYORex+qw7Hdj/favw.user.paganini.bofh.team"
> posting-host="ip1JLA9M/LlzVZplJtZivw.user.paganini.bofh.team"
> posting-host="ohsf5uaZzF4yAIVnImWjbA.user.paganini.bofh.team"
> posting-host="zjSVH+s/XBbZv26RHT63rg.user.paganini.bofh.team"
> posting-host="HFwRVUvzuKpUDkNDm25+uw.user.paganini.bofh.team"
> posting-host="anR4YpMNijul/+hpGOvYXQ.user.paganini.bofh.team"

posting-host="a719c7497e7fcaf5de4bf78d12ecd2df"

--
Olivier Miakinen

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 by: noel - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 15:31 UTC

Ahhh this thread reminds me of the mid 90's...

This kids, is why you never ever, honor cancels, drop em stone cold dead
at the door.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2024 00:58:09 +0100, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:

> On 05/01/2024 22:57, llp wrote:
>> And what did the guy who has your unconditional support do?
> > [cut]
>>
>> Will your server continue to withstand this abuse?
>> (I remind you that the previous newsmaster of the defunct alphanet
>> server had covered the 3600 illegitimate and voluntary cancellations
>> made over a year in one go).
>
>
> Absolutely, actually even more so now. And I don't even try to explain
> why, either you wouldn't understand it or you're so full of
> preconceptions that you wouldn't want to understand it anyway.
> But unlike Marc, I don't get offended if someone insults me, persecutes
> me or does bad things against me, also because in 100% of cases I will
> agree with them. And despite being 40 years old I still have enough
> energy to manage something like usenet, in fact right now I'm working to
> expand the service I offer, and Olivier is part of this future, whether
> you like it or not.
>
>
> Sincerely

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 15:59 UTC

Olivier Miakinen <om+news@miakinen.net> wrote:
[...]

> And, before someone asks, let me recall that the cancellation of all
> the posts of Zorro because of his many abuses has been decided by
> consensus : <news:umh49a$jtn$1@cabale.usenet-fr.net>.

I don't have a stake in this fight, but cancelling other people's
articles is not something that can be "decided by consensus". You don't
get to define your own rules for Usenet/NetNews at large.

The only people who can legitimately cancel an article are the poster
of said article and the admin of the server which injected the article
into the network. Anyone else is a no-no.

All in the earlier mentioned context of cancels being irrelevant for
any properly configured server.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 16:09 UTC

noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>
> Ahhh this thread reminds me of the mid 90's...
>
> This kids, is why you never ever, honor cancels, drop em stone cold dead
> at the door.

Indeed! I found the "being 40 years old" part rather funny (no offense
intended). Most of us (YTIU) are not 40 years old but have 40 years (and
more) experience, expertise, etc..

[...]

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 by: Olivier Miakinen - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 16:41 UTC

Le 06/01/2024 à 16:59, Frank Slootweg wrote :
>
> The only people who can legitimately cancel an article are the poster
> of said article and the admin of the server which injected the article
> into the network. Anyone else is a no-no.

Maybe on the Big8? On Usenet-fr (fr.*), this methode has existed for
(at least) more than two decades, either by hand (for instance by Denis
Liégeois) or by robot (the bleachbot of Xavier Roche is still active,
but too bad is not yet maintained).

Of course, someone who would abuse of the cancels would be signaled to
his/her news admin and see their account removed. If I was thought to
be abusing, there would be two ways of stopping me, either by making
remove my account on usenet-fr.net (where my bot reads the articles)
or by making remove my IHAVE access to paganini.bofh.team (where my
bot sends both cancels, and cancel reports to fr.usenet.abus.rapports).

> All in the earlier mentioned context of cancels being irrelevant for
> any properly configured server.

Note that the anonymous llp, who now owns his own news server, refuses
all cancels on his server and is not directly touched by them. But he
has a grudge against me since before November 2020, when he used for
the first time the pseudonym LaLibreParole (later changed to llp) for
aggressing me. That is why he does everything he can to denigrate me.

I am very sorry that this fight had to arrive on this group.

--
Olivier Miakinen

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 by: Olivier Miakinen - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 16:43 UTC

Le 06/01/2024 à 17:41, Olivier Miakinen a écrit :
>
> [...] or by robot (the bleachbot of Xavier Roche is still active,
> but too bad is not yet maintained).

Sorry, I meant "not maintained anymore". I am not very good in English.

--
Olivier Miakinen

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From: conanospamic@gmail.com (Eric M)
 by: Eric M - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 17:06 UTC

Le 06/01/2024 à 16:59, Frank Slootweg a écrit :

> The only people who can legitimately cancel an article are the poster
> of said article and the admin of the server which injected the article
> into the network. Anyone else is a no-no.

So, if someone is insulted or bullied every day by the same poster and if
the newsmaster keeps the account alive the only thing that person can do
is leave usenet ?
> All in the earlier mentioned context of cancels being irrelevant for
> any properly configured server.

I think you didn't ask the users, maybe because they were the ennemy :)

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 18:58 UTC

As said before, this is all a bit of a theoretical discussion, because
cancels are a thing of the past. That said, ....

Olivier Miakinen <om+news@miakinen.net> wrote:
> Le 06/01/2024 à 16:59, Frank Slootweg wrote :
> >
> > The only people who can legitimately cancel an article are the poster
> > of said article and the admin of the server which injected the article
> > into the network. Anyone else is a no-no.
>
> Maybe on the Big8? On Usenet-fr (fr.*), this methode has existed for
> (at least) more than two decades, either by hand (for instance by Denis
> Liégeois) or by robot (the bleachbot of Xavier Roche is still active,
> but too bad is not yet maintained).

On Usenet and NetNews in general. A 'local' hierarchy, i.e. like fr.*,
*could* be different *if* there is a organizational body which governs
this hierarchy *and* that body has *defined* the special procedures for
'approved' cancels, i.e. who, how, why, when, etc..

Just "decided by consensus" by some random group of people is not a
defined formal procedure. I assume there is no defined formal procedure,
otherwise people/you would by pointing to that procedure and that
organizational body would be issueing the cancels, not you.

Realize that while in the old days local hierarchies were indeed that,
local to some country, city, etc., that is no longer true. Local
hierarchies like fr.*, nl.* (for our country), etc. are carried by
servers the world over.

For example the fr.* hierarchy - or a least a part of it (416 groups)
- is carried by my NSP (News SP) News.Individual.Net. So I, a Dutch
user, can access a French hierarchy via a German server.

So if someone - i.e. you - issues cancels for articles which have been
posted to some fr.* newsgroup, these cancels (theorically) affect a
German server and a Dutch user. (This is assuming that these cancels
affect only fr.* groups. As far as I know, sofar, no-one has
specifically said so.)

Is that a proper way to do things? I do not think so. The person
issuing these cancels has no business affecting servers and people in
other countries.

> Of course, someone who would abuse of the cancels would be signaled to
> his/her news admin and see their account removed. If I was thought to
> be abusing, there would be two ways of stopping me, either by making
> remove my account on usenet-fr.net (where my bot reads the articles)
> or by making remove my IHAVE access to paganini.bofh.team (where my
> bot sends both cancels, and cancel reports to fr.usenet.abus.rapports).

As others, and I, have said, these cancels do not need to be stopped
by someone, they shouldn't be issued in the first place. As has been
mentioned, *if* - big if - there is a need, NoCeM is the proper
mechanism, not cancels.

BTW, you needing two servers (usenet-fr.net and paganini.bofh.team)
looks dodgy in and of itself. Why can't you use one?

> > All in the earlier mentioned context of cancels being irrelevant for
> > any properly configured server.
>
> Note that the anonymous llp, who now owns his own news server, refuses
> all cancels on his server and is not directly touched by them. But he
> has a grudge against me since before November 2020, when he used for
> the first time the pseudonym LaLibreParole (later changed to llp) for
> aggressing me. That is why he does everything he can to denigrate me.
>
> I am very sorry that this fight had to arrive on this group.


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