Hi folks!

When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
Network" apparently connected to my computer.

Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6

Can anyone provide some further insight, please.

--
David

On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:

<snip>

> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the
> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works?
>
I don't think he can because he can only do things as per his dusty book
and that's not been updated (content / technology / morality) for a
couple of thousand years now. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>
>> Hi folks!
>
> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
>
>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>
> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your answer
> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
> this post of yours.
>
>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>
> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you have
> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for such
> crap as this.
>
>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>
> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively use it?
> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply was
> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
>
> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that
> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>
> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the
> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually works?

When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".

Was it yours?

Always wondering! ;-)

--
David

On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks!
>>
>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
>>
>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>
>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your
>> answer
>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
>> this post of yours.
>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>
>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you
>> have
>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for
>> such
>> crap as this.
>>
>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>
>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively
>> use it?
>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply
>> was
>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
>>
>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that
>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>
>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the
>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually
>> works?
>
>
> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
>
> Was it yours?
>
> Always wondering! ;-)
>

That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.

On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi folks!
>>>
>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
>>>
>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>
>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your
>>> answer
>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
>>> this post of yours.
>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>
>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you
>>> have
>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for
>>> such
>>> crap as this.
>>>
>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>
>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively
>>> use it?
>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single reply
>>> was
>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
>>>
>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that
>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>
>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with the
>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually
>>> works?
>>
>>
>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
>>
>> Was it yours?
>>
>> Always wondering! ;-)

> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
> accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.

Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?

I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty now.

Any suggestions will be welcomed.

--
David

David Brooks wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>
>>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
>>>>
>>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your
>>>> answer
>>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
>>>> this post of yours.
>>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>>
>>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame you
>>>> have
>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos for
>>>> such
>>>> crap as this.
>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>>
>>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively
>>>> use it?
>>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single
>>>> reply was
>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
>>>>
>>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of reasons is
>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing that
>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>>
>>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get with
>>>> the
>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually
>>>> works?
>>>
>>>
>>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden Network".
>>>
>>> Was it yours?
>>>
>>> Always wondering! ;-)
>
>> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
>> accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
>
> Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
>
> I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
> although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty now.
>
> Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>
If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network name)
and password must have been stored on the device you used.
Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
Let us know if your own router is in the list.
Ed

On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
> David Brooks wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>>
>>>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure your
>>>>> answer
>>>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I read
>>>>> this post of yours.
>>>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>>>
>>>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame
>>>>> you have
>>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos
>>>>> for such
>>>>> crap as this.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to effectively
>>>>> use it?
>>>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single
>>>>> reply was
>>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
>>>>> reasons is
>>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing
>>>>> that
>>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
>>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get
>>>>> with the
>>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you actually
>>>>> works?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
>>>> Network".
>>>>
>>>> Was it yours?
>>>>
>>>> Always wondering! ;-)
>>
>>> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
>>> accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
>>
>> Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
>>
>> I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
>> although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty now.
>>
>> Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>>
>
> If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network name)
> and password must have been stored on the device you used.
> Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
> Let us know if your own router is in the list.

Hi Ed :-)

I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the photograph!

I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10) but it
is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all manner of Internet
explorations over the years!

HTH

--
David

David Brooks wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34 GMT in
>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>>>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure
>>>>>> your answer
>>>>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I
>>>>>> read
>>>>>> this post of yours.
>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame
>>>>>> you have
>>>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos
>>>>>> for such
>>>>>> crap as this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
>>>>>> effectively use it?
>>>>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single
>>>>>> reply was
>>>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
>>>>>> reasons is
>>>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not doing
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it just
>>>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get
>>>>>> with the
>>>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you
>>>>>> actually works?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
>>>>> Network".
>>>>>
>>>>> Was it yours?
>>>>>
>>>>> Always wondering! ;-)
>>>
>>>> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
>>>> accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
>>>
>>> Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
>>>
>>> I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
>>> although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty now.
>>>
>>> Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>>>
>>
>> If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network name)
>> and password must have been stored on the device you used.
>> Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
>> Let us know if your own router is in the list.
>
>
> Hi Ed :-)
>
> I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
> photograph!
>
> I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10) but it
> is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all manner of Internet
> explorations over the years!
>
> HTH
>
I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find one.
For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but then
noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.
There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can tell us.
Ed

Ed Cryer wrote:

> I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find one.

Hidden SSIDs are the "Don't tell him, Pike" of WiFi ...

Andy Burns wrote:
> Ed Cryer wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find
>> one.
>
> Hidden SSIDs are the "Don't tell him, Pike" of WiFi ...

A way more likely to confound any unwarranted access would be to rename
the SSID to something better camouflaged; BT-HJ132ZXC or EE-RTGJ097-19
or SKY-TYMKO180.
I have a local user who seems obsessed with renaming his/her SSID.
"Susan's private line", "Scarborough Fayre", "N's connection" are a few
I recall.

Ed

On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
> David Brooks wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>>>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34
>>>>>>> GMT in
>>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships here. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>>>>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure
>>>>>>> your answer
>>>>>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when I
>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>> this post of yours.
>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame
>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos
>>>>>>> for such
>>>>>>> crap as this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
>>>>>>> effectively use it?
>>>>>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single
>>>>>>> reply was
>>>>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
>>>>>>> reasons is
>>>>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not
>>>>>>> doing that
>>>>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get
>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you
>>>>>>> actually works?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
>>>>>> Network".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was it yours?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Always wondering! ;-)
>>>>
>>>>> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
>>>>> accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
>>>>
>>>> I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
>>>> although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty now.
>>>>
>>>> Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network
>>> name) and password must have been stored on the device you used.
>>> Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
>>> Let us know if your own router is in the list.
>>
>>
>> Hi Ed :-)
>>
>> I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
>> photograph!
>>
>> I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10) but it
>> is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all manner of
>> Internet explorations over the years!
>>
>> HTH
>>
>
> I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find one.

Perhaps you should read here? https://nordvpn.com/blog/what-is-ssid/

> For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
> somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but then
> noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.

That seems like a security risk if ever there was one! ;-)

> There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can tell us.

A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:-
https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml

His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.

Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.

--
David

On 7/26/2023 7:18 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Ed Cryer wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find one.
>
> Hidden SSIDs are the "Don't tell him, Pike" of WiFi ...

In Windows, that entry can be a "collection point for damaged Wifi info".

Regular services, during some sort of technical flap, can end up
classified as Hidden Networks, requiring the network stack to be reset
by the user.

The entry can "hide" multiple services which lack a broadcast SSID.
When you select that link and log in, you will be asked for a progression
of info, to identify which of the services of that class, you're
connecting to. So rather than showing multiple "Hidden Network" icons,
there is only one.

When I had a Wifi card in my desktop here, for test, nothing in
the neighbourhood was Hidden. They all had names.

The Wifi module in a lot of equipment, can be unplugged.
That's an option for those who feel they're connected to something naughty,
or that they're being spied on.

For David, unplugging is definitely the right answer.
No menu ?? Joy. That Ethernet connector on the machine works
just great for computing. No need of Wifi. This is why, when
I fitted Wifi cards for point to point test, I removed
them right afterwards. Not interested in Wifi. Or the
things that cause Wifi. I would be more in favor of Wifi,
if only the 60Ghz version was used, and the signal refused
to leave the room. That's my idea of Wifi.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> The entry can "hide" multiple services which lack a broadcast SSID.

Since secured(password required to connect/acces) the difference in
other shown secured wifi networks is as you noted the SSID not broadcast.

In this case, it means nothing else.
- i.e. present due to the router or modem-router or Windows ability to
show it - just like all other secured networks

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

David Brooks wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>>>>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34
>>>>>>>> GMT in
>>>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships
>>>>>>>> here. :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>>>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>>>>>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure
>>>>>>>> your answer
>>>>>>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when
>>>>>>>> I read
>>>>>>>> this post of yours.
>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a shame
>>>>>>>> you have
>>>>>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading videos
>>>>>>>> for such
>>>>>>>> crap as this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
>>>>>>>> effectively use it?
>>>>>>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single
>>>>>>>> reply was
>>>>>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant answer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
>>>>>>>> reasons is
>>>>>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not
>>>>>>>> doing that
>>>>>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up; it
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get
>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you
>>>>>>>> actually works?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
>>>>>>> Network".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was it yours?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Always wondering! ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
>>>>>> accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
>>>>> although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network
>>>> name) and password must have been stored on the device you used.
>>>> Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
>>>> Let us know if your own router is in the list.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ed :-)
>>>
>>> I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
>>> photograph!
>>>
>>> I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10) but
>>> it is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all manner of
>>> Internet explorations over the years!
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>
>> I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't find
>> one.
>
> Perhaps you should read here?  https://nordvpn.com/blog/what-is-ssid/
>
>> For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
>> somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but
>> then noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.
>
> That seems like a security risk if ever there was one! ;-)
>
>> There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can tell
>> us.
>
> A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
> tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
> He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:-
> https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
>
> His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
>
> Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
>
Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new
technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
make money, not win kudos.
Ed

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:19:24 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

>A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
>tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
>He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:-
>https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
>
>His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
>
>Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.

David, you must have a "Kick Me" sign on the back of your shirt. That's the same
shirt that has "I'm Stupid!" emblazoned across the front.

BTW, that's a nice blend of harmlessly true and blatantly false statements
you've made above. Good show, chum. Once again, you've shown everyone what you
are.

On 26/07/2023 17:07, Ed Cryer wrote:
> David Brooks wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>>>>>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34
>>>>>>>>> GMT in
>>>>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships
>>>>>>>>> here. :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>>>>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>>>>>>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure
>>>>>>>>> your answer
>>>>>>>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as when
>>>>>>>>> I read
>>>>>>>>> this post of yours.
>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a
>>>>>>>>> shame you have
>>>>>>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading
>>>>>>>>> videos for such
>>>>>>>>> crap as this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
>>>>>>>>> effectively use it?
>>>>>>>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a single
>>>>>>>>> reply was
>>>>>>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant
>>>>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
>>>>>>>>> reasons is
>>>>>>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not
>>>>>>>>> doing that
>>>>>>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up;
>>>>>>>>> it just
>>>>>>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you get
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you
>>>>>>>>> actually works?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
>>>>>>>> Network".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was it yours?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Always wondering! ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer cannot
>>>>>>> accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
>>>>>> although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty
>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network
>>>>> name) and password must have been stored on the device you used.
>>>>> Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
>>>>> Let us know if your own router is in the list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Ed :-)
>>>>
>>>> I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
>>>> photograph!
>>>>
>>>> I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10) but
>>>> it is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all manner of
>>>> Internet explorations over the years!
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't
>>> find one.
>>
>> Perhaps you should read here?  https://nordvpn.com/blog/what-is-ssid/
>>
>>> For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
>>> somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but
>>> then noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.
>>
>> That seems like a security risk if ever there was one! ;-)
>>
>>> There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can
>>> tell us.
>>
>> A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
>> tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
>> He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's
>> one:- https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
>>
>> His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
>>
>> Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
>>
>
> Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
> that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's new
> technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
> The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
> make money, not win kudos.

Thank you, Ed. :-D

Although I don't believe that AV is strictly necessary on Windows 10, I
am actually running AVG on that machine.

Have you ANY idea how to remove "Hidden Network" - stop the words from
showing on my screen?

--
David

On 26/07/2023 17:49, Kelly Phillips wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:19:24 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
> wrote:
>
>> A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
>> tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
>> He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:-
>> https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
>>
>> His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
>>
>> Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
>
> David, you must have a "Kick Me" sign on the back of your shirt. That's the same
> shirt that has "I'm Stupid!" emblazoned across the front.

*NO* - don't be silly!

You're confusing me with Dustin. He reaped the whirlwind when once I was
a bit irritated with him and asked for some help! Proof, here:-

http://web.archive.org/web/20210414021502/https://ibb.co/vQ4M1sX

> BTW, that's a nice blend of harmlessly true and blatantly false statements
> you've made above. Good show, chum. Once again, you've shown everyone what you
> are.

Nothing false in what *I* say, "Kelly"! :-P

Dustin has NEVER accepted the truth. That's down to him, not me.

--
David
Who stopped drinking alcohol on 21 March 2018

David Brooks wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 17:07, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> David Brooks wrote:
>>> On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>> On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>>>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023 22:59:34
>>>>>>>>>> GMT in
>>>>>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships
>>>>>>>>>> here. :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a "Hidden
>>>>>>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>>>>>>>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm sure
>>>>>>>>>> your answer
>>>>>>>>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as
>>>>>>>>>> when I read
>>>>>>>>>> this post of yours.
>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a
>>>>>>>>>> shame you have
>>>>>>>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading
>>>>>>>>>> videos for such
>>>>>>>>>> crap as this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
>>>>>>>>>> effectively use it?
>>>>>>>>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a
>>>>>>>>>> single reply was
>>>>>>>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant
>>>>>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
>>>>>>>>>> reasons is
>>>>>>>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not
>>>>>>>>>> doing that
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up;
>>>>>>>>>> it just
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you
>>>>>>>>>> get with the
>>>>>>>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you
>>>>>>>>>> actually works?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
>>>>>>>>> Network".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Was it yours?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Always wondering! ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer
>>>>>>>> cannot accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009 so,
>>>>>>> although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat rusty
>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network
>>>>>> name) and password must have been stored on the device you used.
>>>>>> Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
>>>>>> Let us know if your own router is in the list.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Ed :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
>>>>> photograph!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10) but
>>>>> it is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all manner of
>>>>> Internet explorations over the years!
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't
>>>> find one.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you should read here?  https://nordvpn.com/blog/what-is-ssid/
>>>
>>>> For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
>>>> somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but
>>>> then noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.
>>>
>>> That seems like a security risk if ever there was one! ;-)
>>>
>>>> There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can
>>>> tell us.
>>>
>>> A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
>>> tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
>>> He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's
>>> one:- https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
>>>
>>> His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
>>>
>>> Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
>>>
>>
>> Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
>> that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's
>> new technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other interests.
>> The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
>> make money, not win kudos.
>
> Thank you, Ed. :-D
>
> Although I don't believe that AV is strictly necessary on Windows 10, I
> am actually running AVG on that machine.
>
> Have you ANY idea how to remove "Hidden Network" - stop the words from
> showing on my screen?
>
Get rid of that bloated AVG; Windows Security has been protecting my
boxes of tricks for years - successfully.
"Hidden Network" can be translated into other languages. Try Google
Translate or ChatGPT. Or maybe change Windows language.
Oh, and while you're speaking to ChatGPT, thank the little bot for its
recent chat with me. I went walking along the Rochdale Canal, and I
passed so many locks that I had to research. There are an average of 3
locks per mile; the reason being the up-and-downness of the landscape it
traverses.
Ed

On 26/07/2023 19:36, Ed Cryer wrote:
> David Brooks wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 17:07, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>> On 26/07/2023 12:12, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 11:41, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>>>>>> David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 09:49, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/26/2023 4:07 AM, David Brooks wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/07/2023 01:34, Gremlin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> news:qtYvM.56852$uEkc.36832@fx35.iad Tue, 25 Jul 2023
>>>>>>>>>>> 22:59:34 GMT in
>>>>>>>>>>> alt.computer.workshop, wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's cute you think you have friends and good relationships
>>>>>>>>>>> here. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When updating my old Toshiba laptop yesterday I espied a
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Hidden
>>>>>>>>>>>> Network" apparently connected to my computer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think it's connected to your computer?
>>>>>>>>>>> It's not, I'm just asking you why you thought it was. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> sure your answer
>>>>>>>>>>> will give me just as much of, if not more, of a chuckle as
>>>>>>>>>>> when I read
>>>>>>>>>>> this post of yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's a screenshot of what I saw:- https://jmp.sh/HovRfCR6
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A normal looking wireless network selection screen. It's a
>>>>>>>>>>> shame you have
>>>>>>>>>>> to emulate snit as you're doing. Next you'll be uploading
>>>>>>>>>>> videos for such
>>>>>>>>>>> crap as this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can anyone provide some further insight, please.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is google broken, old bean? Or, are you still unable to
>>>>>>>>>>> effectively use it?
>>>>>>>>>>> The time it took you to write this post, and wait! for a
>>>>>>>>>>> single reply was
>>>>>>>>>>> time you could have better spent googling it for an instant
>>>>>>>>>>> answer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A hidden network is a wireless network that for a variety of
>>>>>>>>>>> reasons is
>>>>>>>>>>> not broadcasting an SSID. As you can clearly see though, not
>>>>>>>>>>> doing that
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't really 'hide' the network. It can still be picked up;
>>>>>>>>>>> it just
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have a name associated with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Technology isn't going to go away, David. Isn't it time you
>>>>>>>>>>> get with the
>>>>>>>>>>> program and start to learn how the modern world around you
>>>>>>>>>>> actually works?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When I first noticed, I was actually CONNECTED to this "Hidden
>>>>>>>>>> Network".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Was it yours?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Always wondering! ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That connection clearly indicates "secured". Your computer
>>>>>>>>> cannot accidentally connect to it. A correct password is required.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agreed! Can you suggest how I could/should investigate further?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've mainly been using Apple computers and devices since 2009
>>>>>>>> so, although I grew up on Windows 3.1 and upwards, I'm somewhat
>>>>>>>> rusty now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any suggestions will be welcomed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you connected to it without realising, then the SSID (network
>>>>>>> name) and password must have been stored on the device you used.
>>>>>>> Unless (of course) someone else logged into it from your device.
>>>>>>> Let us know if your own router is in the list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Ed :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I snipped the list - mine WAS showing at the top when I took the
>>>>>> photograph!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd just done a complete 'Recovery' of the computer (Windows10)
>>>>>> but it is old now (maybe 10 years) and has been used for all
>>>>>> manner of Internet explorations over the years!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to think of a good reason to hide your SSID, but can't
>>>>> find one.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps you should read here?  https://nordvpn.com/blog/what-is-ssid/
>>>>
>>>>> For example, let's imagine you want to screen it from the eyes of
>>>>> somebody. Well, if they tried to log onto it, couldn't find it, but
>>>>> then noticed the new Hidden Network, they could simply click on that.
>>>>
>>>> That seems like a security risk if ever there was one! ;-)
>>>>
>>>>> There must be something I'm overlooking here. Perhaps someone can
>>>>> tell us.
>>>>
>>>> A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
>>>> tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
>>>> He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's
>>>> one:- https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
>>>>
>>>> His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
>>>>
>>>> Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Keep your AV up to date; keep your firewall active. And bear in mind
>>> that the generation of kids whose delight it was to vandalise dad's
>>> new technology has now grown into adulthood and acquired other
>>> interests.
>>> The malware these days comes from highly tech-savvy criminals out to
>>> make money, not win kudos.
>>
>> Thank you, Ed. :-D
>>
>> Although I don't believe that AV is strictly necessary on Windows 10,
>> I am actually running AVG on that machine.
>>
>> Have you ANY idea how to remove "Hidden Network" - stop the words from
>> showing on my screen?
>>
>
> Get rid of that bloated AVG; Windows Security has been protecting my
> boxes of tricks for years - successfully.

I think I'll do just that! Thanks for the prompt!

> "Hidden Network" can be translated into other languages. Try Google
> Translate or ChatGPT. Or maybe change Windows language.

I've been thinking about this! What I suspect is that it's part of the
UK National BT Wi-Fi system so that any BT subscriber can log-in to the
router of ANY BT customer and can use the Internet by providing their
own BT ID - or pay for the privilege! https://www.btwifi.co.uk/

> Oh, and while you're speaking to ChatGPT, thank the little bot for its
> recent chat with me. I went walking along the Rochdale Canal, and I
> passed so many locks that I had to research. There are an average of 3
> locks per mile; the reason being the up-and-downness of the landscape it
> traverses.

On 26/07/2023 20:07, David Brooks wrote:
> It's one of the few British waterways which I've not navigated - my
> narrowboat was just a few inches too long to get through some of the locks!

*BELAY THAT*!!!

I'm misremembered - that wasn't the reason! That canal can take boats up
to 72 feet (the longest ones ever built). Perhaps it was because one has
to go through the middle of Manchester, a place most sensible boaters
avoid.
I can't be sure until my navigator returns from supervising the new
members of the Bridge club (cards, not waterways!)

David Brooks wrote:
> On 26/07/2023 20:07, David Brooks wrote:
>> It's one of the few British waterways which I've not navigated - my
>> narrowboat was just a few inches too long to get through some of the
>> locks!
>
> *BELAY THAT*!!!
>
> I'm misremembered - that wasn't the reason! That canal can take boats up
> to 72 feet (the longest ones ever built). Perhaps it was because one has
> to go through the middle of Manchester, a place most sensible boaters
> avoid.
> I can't be sure until my navigator returns from supervising the new
> members of the Bridge club (cards, not waterways!)
>

You might do better navigating from Loch Ness into Loch Lochy.
https://www.scottishcanals.co.uk/locations/neptunes-staircase/

Here's a pic of my last voyage through that thoroughfare;
https://tinyurl.com/26or8em5

Ed

On 26/07/2023 20:28, Ed Cryer wrote:
> David Brooks wrote:
>> On 26/07/2023 20:07, David Brooks wrote:
>>> It's one of the few British waterways which I've not navigated - my
>>> narrowboat was just a few inches too long to get through some of the
>>> locks!
>>
>> *BELAY THAT*!!!
>>
>> I'm misremembered - that wasn't the reason! That canal can take boats up
>> to 72 feet (the longest ones ever built). Perhaps it was because one
>> has to go through the middle of Manchester, a place most sensible boaters
>> avoid.
>> I can't be sure until my navigator returns from supervising the new
>> members of the Bridge club (cards, not waterways!)
>>
>
> You might do better navigating from Loch Ness into Loch Lochy.
> https://www.scottishcanals.co.uk/locations/neptunes-staircase/

Indeed. They appear to be electrically operated!
(And in excellent condition)

> Here's a pic of my last voyage through that thoroughfare;
> https://tinyurl.com/26or8em5

*Fun* :-D

On 26/07/2023 20:28, Ed Cryer wrote:

<snip>

> Here's a pic of my last voyage through that thoroughfare;
> https://tinyurl.com/26or8em5
>

We went out on 'Nessie Hunter IV' with George Edwards when motorcycle
touring Scotland one year.

He had previously videoed the bottom of the Loch (Ness) and it was
interesting to see how flat and empty it was (because it was previously
a V shaped valley that had partly filled with sediment).

Too dark for any vegetation to grow, outside the very edges so nothing
much down there for animals to live on, especially big ones. ;-)

https://www.scotsman.com/news/loch-ness-monster-george-edwards-faked-photo-1559067

Cheers, T i m

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 19:33:38 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

>On 26/07/2023 17:49, Kelly Phillips wrote:
>> On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 13:19:24 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A poster here, Dustin J. Cook, is a former Black Hat Hacker and has
>>> tried for years to hurt other Internet users.
>>> He wrote real-life viruses and released them to the world. Here's one:-
>>> https://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/irok.shtml
>>>
>>> His current 'User Name' on the Usenet is Gremlin.
>>>
>>> Just so you know. He was never caught and punished.
>>
>> David, you must have a "Kick Me" sign on the back of your shirt. That's the same
>> shirt that has "I'm Stupid!" emblazoned across the front.
>
>*NO* - don't be silly!

What was silly? You keep showing everyone how intellectually damaged you are.
That's on you.

>You're confusing me with Dustin.

You're confusing me with someone who doesn't know better. I've known about you
and your shady ways for at least a dozen years. I'm not likely to confuse you
with someone else. That wasn't even a good try, on your part.

>He reaped the whirlwind when once I was
>a bit irritated with him and asked for some help!

You're hopelessly delusional. I'd suggest drinking less, but it seems that the
damage is done.

>> BTW, that's a nice blend of harmlessly true and blatantly false statements
>> you've made above. Good show, chum. Once again, you've shown everyone what you
>> are.
>
>Nothing false in what *I* say, "Kelly"! :-P

Oh really? Shall I point it out, or will you just run away and hide behind "I
was teasing!", like you always do?

>Dustin has NEVER accepted the truth. That's down to him, not me.

I guess you've missed most of his posts then. That's down to you.

On Wed, 26 Jul 2023 18:58:09 +0100, David Brooks <David.B@nomail.afraid.org>
wrote:

>Although I don't believe that AV is strictly necessary on Windows 10, I
>am actually running AVG on that machine.

Poor choice.

>Have you ANY idea how to remove "Hidden Network" - stop the words from
>showing on my screen?

Turn off the WiFi or find the owner of that access point and ask them to
reconfigure on your behalf.

What's with the childish questions, David? This stuff is so basic that even a
simpleton like you shouldn't have any problems with it.