Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is
totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that
has now come to pass.

Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?

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"Kenny McCormack" <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote

|
| Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?

Go to archive.mozilla.org. All the versions are there.
If you just uninstall it will leave your folders, so the older
version should load normally.

Kenny McCormack wrote:

> Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is
> totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that
> has now come to pass.
>
> Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?

there is a way to "revert" a profile from v115 to v102

thunderbird -profilemanager --allow-downgrade

You'd have to investigate how to block it from getting upgraded again, I
haven't been there.

but you could look in a.c.s.thunderbird, those of us who have been
running v115 for about 3 months have found ways to (mostly) make it like
v102 used to be, not exact, but mostly there ...

remember that v102 will no longer receive any security fixes.

On 10/11/23 05:53 PM, this is what Kenny McCormack wrote:
> Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is
> totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that
> has now come to pass.
>
> Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
>
Once you get 115 removed and an older version installed, note that you should not have your wi-fi turned on. The new
'old' version may try to update.

https://winaero.com/disable-updates-firefox-63-above/ explains in the 'alternate way' how to create a policies.json file
in the program folder to stop TB Updates.

PS. Windows update did not update thunderbird.
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"Kenny McCormack" <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote

Reading Big Al's post I realized TBird is updating itself.
I knew later versions of FF were either forcing updates
or nagging incessantly. I didnt know TBird does that.
(I'm using TBird 52. I don't see any reason to update.)

For versions after 60 of FF or TBird, create a folder
named "distribution" in the program folder. In that folder,
create a file named policies.json. Settings not made
available, or that don't work in prefs settings, can
be added as JSON gobbledygook in that file. There's
also an option to do it via the Registry, though I
haven't tried that.

This design is intended t be Mozilla's way to accommodate
corporate IT models. An average worker can't create the
folder or file, so they can't control the setting.

Link for the pile of crap you'll need to wade through for TBird:

https://github.com/thundernest/policy-templates/archive/refs/heads/master.zip

Link for Firefox, which explains it more clearly:

https://mozilla.github.io/policy-templates/

The update setting seems to be the same for both FF and TBird.
In policies.json add this:

{
"policies": {
"AppAutoUpdate": false,
"DisableAppUpdate": true
}
}

That's it. You can add any number of settings. In Firefox
it causes a label in settings saying something like
"Your administrator is controlling settings". Probably it
does similar in TBird. You an still manually update, but
the program will not update itself.

On 10/11/2023 5:53 PM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
> Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is
> totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that
> has now come to pass.
>
> Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
>

I use the portable version of Thundbird from PortableApps.com. I always
compress the existing program folder into .7z or .zip file as a backup
before I upgrade into a new version. If I don't like the upgrade, I can
always decompress the backup into a new folder and keep using the
existing version from there. You wouldn't have run into your problem if
you have done that.

The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version. I
am using the new version of Thunderbird too for my email. I don't like
it, but I am learning to adjust to the changes. You cannot avoid new
things. You should learn to adjust to new way of doing things. I don't
like Windows 11, but I am adjusting.

On 10/11/2023 8:07 PM, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/11/23 05:53 PM, this is what Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is
>> totally weird.  I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
>> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did.  And that
>> has now come to pass.
>>
>> Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
>>
> Once you get 115 removed and an older version installed, note that you should not have your wi-fi turned on.  The new 'old' version may try to update.
>
> https://winaero.com/disable-updates-firefox-63-above/ explains in the 'alternate way' how to create a policies.json file in the program folder to stop TB Updates.
>
>
> PS.  Windows update did not update thunderbird.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/cL7jpY0b/install-policies-json-before-first-start.gif

*******

bullwinkle@MINTBOX:~$ cat /usr/lib/firefox/distribution/policies.json
{ "policies":
{
"DisableAppUpdate": true
}
}

In a Mozilla tool, do "about:policies" to see what policies are loaded.

The alternative is to use Help:About to get the information.

For Windows versions, it would go here. I would test the technique in
Firefox first, as the about:policies is easy to get to there. With
Thunderbird, they don't want us using the browser section.

C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\distribution\policies.json
C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\distribution\policies.json

Change "Mozilla Firefox" to "Mozilla Thunderbird", as needed, to
fit policies.json to one of their products.

I recommend installing policies.json , right after you run the install
and have unticked the "start right away and screw with me" tick box.
It's best if the program doesn't get to run, until you get your
policies.json fitted. The upgrade install will blow away the last policies.json
you installed -- it does not migrate them.

You will need Administrator permission (a UAC equipped user), to mkdir
the "distribution" folder and copy policies.json into it. It's quite
possible, given the Program Files folder is actually owned by TrustedInstaller,
that the file is "not really" stored in that folder. The real storage location
is elsewhere (nfi.exe might discover where it is, or Agent Ransack).

Microsoft does not want us copying shit into Program Files, neither
do they like it if a pinball game stores the High Score file in
the Program Files :-) That's why they invented their indirection
technique.

Paul

😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
> On 10/11/2023 5:53 PM, Kenny McCormack wrote:
>> Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115,
>> which is
>> totally weird.  I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
>> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did.  And
>> that
>> has now come to pass.
>>
>> Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
>>
>
>
> I use the portable version of Thundbird from PortableApps.com. I always
> compress the existing program folder into .7z or .zip file as a backup
> before I upgrade into a new version. If I don't like the upgrade, I can
> always decompress the backup into a new folder and keep using the
> existing version from there. You wouldn't have run into your problem if
> you have done that.
>
> The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version. I
> am using the new version of Thunderbird too for my email. I don't like
> it, but I am learning to adjust to the changes. You cannot avoid new
> things. You should learn to adjust to new way of doing things. I don't
> like Windows 11, but I am adjusting.
>
>
>
>
>
It sucks, but I'm sticking with the new (and its preference for flashy
show over usefulness).
One thing bugs me, however. When I have items in the outbox, no
indication appears. The previous version used to show a number.
Ed

"?? Mighty Wannabe ?" <@.> wrote

| I use the portable version of Thundbird from PortableApps.com. I always
| compress the existing program folder into .7z or .zip file as a backup
| before I upgrade into a new version. If I don't like the upgrade, I can
| always decompress the backup into a new folder and keep using the
| existing version from there. You wouldn't have run into your problem if
| you have done that.
| Every version of TBird and FF ever released is
available at archive.mozilla.org, FTP-style. Just
uninstall and reinstall. The setting and email are
all in your App Data folder.

| The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version.

You don't HAVE TO adapt, just as you don't have
to adapt to using a slot screwdriver as a phillips.
Just get the right tool. Though in some cases that's
more trouble than in others. But with software, options
are part of the point. A lot of things in TBird can
be customized. There are also extensions, like in FF.
I have two installed. One allows me to arrange email folders
as I like. The other provides a Message Pane button
above message windows, so that I can toggle the email
view open or closed and never open things I don't want
to read.

On 10/12/23 04:23 AM, this is what Paul wrote:
> On 10/11/2023 8:07 PM, Big Al wrote:
>> On 10/11/23 05:53 PM, this is what Kenny McCormack wrote:
>>> Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is
>>> totally weird.  I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
>>> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did.  And that
>>> has now come to pass.
>>>
>>> Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?
>>>
>> Once you get 115 removed and an older version installed, note that you should not have your wi-fi turned on.  The new 'old' version may try to update.
>>
>> https://winaero.com/disable-updates-firefox-63-above/ explains in the 'alternate way' how to create a policies.json file in the program folder to stop TB Updates.
>>
>>
>> PS.  Windows update did not update thunderbird.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/cL7jpY0b/install-policies-json-before-first-start.gif
>
> *******
>
> bullwinkle@MINTBOX:~$ cat /usr/lib/firefox/distribution/policies.json
> {
> "policies":
> {
> "DisableAppUpdate": true
> }
> }
>
> In a Mozilla tool, do "about:policies" to see what policies are loaded.
>
> The alternative is to use Help:About to get the information.
>
> For Windows versions, it would go here. I would test the technique in
> Firefox first, as the about:policies is easy to get to there. With
> Thunderbird, they don't want us using the browser section.
>
> C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\distribution\policies.json
> C:\Program Files\Mozilla Firefox\distribution\policies.json
>
> Change "Mozilla Firefox" to "Mozilla Thunderbird", as needed, to
> fit policies.json to one of their products.
>
> I recommend installing policies.json , right after you run the install
> and have unticked the "start right away and screw with me" tick box.
> It's best if the program doesn't get to run, until you get your
> policies.json fitted. The upgrade install will blow away the last policies.json
> you installed -- it does not migrate them.
>
> You will need Administrator permission (a UAC equipped user), to mkdir
> the "distribution" folder and copy policies.json into it. It's quite
> possible, given the Program Files folder is actually owned by TrustedInstaller,
> that the file is "not really" stored in that folder. The real storage location
> is elsewhere (nfi.exe might discover where it is, or Agent Ransack).
>
> Microsoft does not want us copying shit into Program Files, neither
> do they like it if a pinball game stores the High Score file in
> the Program Files :-) That's why they invented their indirection
> technique.
>
> Paul
Very nice Paul. Thanks.
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Al

On 10/12/23 08:20 AM, this is what Newyana2 wrote:
> "?? Mighty Wannabe ?" <@.> wrote
>
> | I use the portable version of Thundbird from PortableApps.com. I always
> | compress the existing program folder into .7z or .zip file as a backup
> | before I upgrade into a new version. If I don't like the upgrade, I can
> | always decompress the backup into a new folder and keep using the
> | existing version from there. You wouldn't have run into your problem if
> | you have done that.
> |
> Every version of TBird and FF ever released is
> available at archive.mozilla.org, FTP-style. Just
> uninstall and reinstall. The setting and email are
> all in your App Data folder.
>
> | The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version.
>
> You don't HAVE TO adapt, just as you don't have
> to adapt to using a slot screwdriver as a phillips.
> Just get the right tool. Though in some cases that's
> more trouble than in others. But with software, options
> are part of the point. A lot of things in TBird can
> be customized. There are also extensions, like in FF.
> I have two installed. One allows me to arrange email folders
> as I like. The other provides a Message Pane button
> above message windows, so that I can toggle the email
> view open or closed and never open things I don't want
> to read.
>
>
I like the message pane toggle idea. TB 115 now allows you to rearrange the order of mail and news servers and local
folders in the folder pane. It's kinda hidden but you move them in the account settings tab.
I'm sure the latest 115 will be improved more and more as complaints hit the list. Remember, we're beta testers.
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 21:53:52 -0000 (UTC), gazelle@shell.xmission.com
(Kenny McCormack) wrote:

>Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is
>totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
>how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that
>has now come to pass.
>
>Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?

I think it's awesome and will never revert. You're probably using it
wrong. It's a very different approach. Try out the cards mode. If you set
it up properly, there will be no need for a tool bar at all.

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 01:39:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? <@.> wrote:

>The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version. I
>am using the new version of Thunderbird too for my email. I don't like
>it, but I am learning to adjust to the changes. You cannot avoid new
>things. You should learn to adjust to new way of doing things. I don't
>like Windows 11, but I am adjusting.

+1. This ^

I've been following the progress of Supernova and the big problem is that
it's a huge departure from previous versions.

The first thing that happens when you upgrade is your configuration in
the previous version carries over and proceeds to look like complete dog
shit. You try to use the dog shit and get shit on. So I can understand
the reactions.

I can help anyone here set it up.

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spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

On 2023-10-12 15:13, Big Al wrote:
> On 10/12/23 08:20 AM, this is what Newyana2 wrote:
>> "?? Mighty Wannabe ?" <@.> wrote
>>
>> | I use the portable version of Thundbird from PortableApps.com. I always
>> | compress the existing program folder into .7z or .zip file as a backup
>> | before I upgrade into a new version. If I don't like the upgrade, I can
>> | always decompress the backup into a new folder and keep using the
>> | existing version from there. You wouldn't have run into your problem if
>> | you have done that.
>> |
>>    Every version of TBird and FF ever released is
>> available at archive.mozilla.org, FTP-style. Just
>> uninstall and reinstall. The setting and email are
>> all in your App Data folder.
>>
>> | The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version.
>>
>>    You don't HAVE TO adapt, just as you don't have
>> to adapt to using a slot screwdriver as a phillips.
>> Just get the right tool. Though in some cases that's
>> more trouble than in others. But with software, options
>> are part of the point. A lot of things in TBird can
>> be customized. There are also extensions, like in FF.
>> I have two installed. One allows me to arrange email folders
>> as I like. The other provides a Message Pane button
>> above message windows, so that I can toggle the email
>> view open or closed and never open things I don't want
>> to read.
>>
>>
> I like the message pane toggle idea.  TB 115 now allows you to rearrange
> the order of mail and news servers and local folders in the folder
> pane.  It's kinda hidden but you move them in the account settings tab.

I just found this out today.
I had a bunch of mail account, then news, then another mail account.
Very weird. I tried to move it, no bulging. Till I read somewhere that
they would move in the accounts tab.

> I'm sure the latest 115 will be improved more and more as complaints hit
> the list.  Remember, we're beta testers.

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:16:46 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:

>It sucks, but I'm sticking with the new (and its preference for flashy
>show over usefulness).
>One thing bugs me, however. When I have items in the outbox, no
>indication appears. The previous version used to show a number.
>
Okay, so that's an easy one to fix. On the folderpane, you should have a
header that has a picture of a cloud with an down arrow, a "+ New
Message" button, and three dots.

Click on the three dots, check off show total message count.

Voila! Numbers.

If you *don't* have the folderpane header, this is where the new
version's UI is kinda all over the place.

Go to the hamburger menu on the right. View -> Folders, check "Folder
Pane Header."

Then proceed with the first instructions. Most of the important settings
are right in the hamburger menu and, more importantly, for some reason
aren't revealed on the settings page. So play with every option and
familiarize yourself with them.

Big departure. It looks like they're trying to deprecate the settings
page in favor of a nested menu.

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On 2023-10-12 17:35, Zaghadka wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 01:39:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? <@.> wrote:
>
>> The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version. I
>> am using the new version of Thunderbird too for my email. I don't like
>> it, but I am learning to adjust to the changes. You cannot avoid new
>> things. You should learn to adjust to new way of doing things. I don't
>> like Windows 11, but I am adjusting.
>
> +1. This ^
>
> I've been following the progress of Supernova and the big problem is that
> it's a huge departure from previous versions.
>
> The first thing that happens when you upgrade is your configuration in
> the previous version carries over and proceeds to look like complete dog
> shit. You try to use the dog shit and get shit on. So I can understand
> the reactions.
>
> I can help anyone here set it up.
>

Let's try if you know this one. :-)

I have three panes: folders in a tall and narrow pane on the left, list
of mails or news at the top pane, one mail below.

Focus on top pane. I hit "N", the next mail displays in the bottom pane,
but on the top pane the focus has gone out of sight, so some line out of
sight beneath its bottom. I have to move the slider in the top pane with
the mouse to find the slightly highlighted mail in the list.

I can post photos if it is not clear enough.

In case it matters, I'm not using windows.

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 17:49:28 +0200, "Carlos E. R."
<robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2023-10-12 17:35, Zaghadka wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 01:39:34 -0400, ? Mighty Wannabe ? <@.> wrote:
>>
>>> The alternative for you now is to learn to adjust to the new version. I
>>> am using the new version of Thunderbird too for my email. I don't like
>>> it, but I am learning to adjust to the changes. You cannot avoid new
>>> things. You should learn to adjust to new way of doing things. I don't
>>> like Windows 11, but I am adjusting.
>>
>> +1. This ^
>>
>> I've been following the progress of Supernova and the big problem is that
>> it's a huge departure from previous versions.
>>
>> The first thing that happens when you upgrade is your configuration in
>> the previous version carries over and proceeds to look like complete dog
>> shit. You try to use the dog shit and get shit on. So I can understand
>> the reactions.
>>
>> I can help anyone here set it up.
>>
>
>
>Let's try if you know this one. :-)
>
>I have three panes: folders in a tall and narrow pane on the left, list
>of mails or news at the top pane, one mail below.
>
>Focus on top pane. I hit "N", the next mail displays in the bottom pane,
>but on the top pane the focus has gone out of sight, so some line out of
>sight beneath its bottom. I have to move the slider in the top pane with
>the mouse to find the slightly highlighted mail in the list.
>
>I can post photos if it is not clear enough.
>
>In case it matters, I'm not using windows.

Just tested it on my machine. It sounds like the layout is "Classic
View." I'm guessing the list pane is in "table" view, not cards.

I marked a message waaay down my message list as unread, scrolled to the
top, and hit N.

Thunderbird immediately jumped to the message on the list pane. The
message appears all the way on the bottom of the window, rather than at
the top, but it's right there. Focus is highlighted.

So problem here is "works for me." On Windows.

I don't know what happened, unfortunately. It should work. Only thing I
can suggest is see if you can reproduce and contact Bugzilla. Other thing
I can suggest is try installing nightly or beta, configuring it, run a
similar test, and see if it is a config/extension issue.

If it is config, then it's an upgrade hiccup of some kind, and they did
really bad at the migration this time. :^(

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No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

For reference, this is what my UI configuration looks like.

https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png

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No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

Kenny McCormack <gazelle@shell.xmission.com> wrote:
> Running TBird on Windows - the last update brought in version 115, which is
> totally weird. I remember reading something here a month or so ago about
> how it was coming and that people would not like it when it did. And that
> has now come to pass.
>
> Is there any way to revert to the previous version (and stay there) ?

The rollback procedure has already been described.

About the "and stay there" part: Several people have posted about
that, but IMO their instructions were a bit vague, so let me try:

- In folder

C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Thunderbird\distribution

or

C:\Program Files\Mozilla Thunderbird\distribution

create a file policies.json with content

{
"policies":
{
"DisableAppUpdate": true
}
}

- Exit and restart Thunderbird.

- The 'About Mozilla Thunderbird' popup will now say something like:

"Updates disabled by your system administrator"

HTH.

Zaghadka wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:16:46 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> It sucks, but I'm sticking with the new (and its preference for flashy
>> show over usefulness).
>> One thing bugs me, however. When I have items in the outbox, no
>> indication appears. The previous version used to show a number.
>>
> Okay, so that's an easy one to fix. On the folderpane, you should have a
> header that has a picture of a cloud with an down arrow, a "+ New
> Message" button, and three dots.
>
> Click on the three dots, check off show total message count.
>
> Voila! Numbers.
>
> If you *don't* have the folderpane header, this is where the new
> version's UI is kinda all over the place.
>
> Go to the hamburger menu on the right. View -> Folders, check "Folder
> Pane Header."
>
> Then proceed with the first instructions. Most of the important settings
> are right in the hamburger menu and, more importantly, for some reason
> aren't revealed on the settings page. So play with every option and
> familiarize yourself with them.
>
> Big departure. It looks like they're trying to deprecate the settings
> page in favor of a nested menu.
>

Where the dickens is that "folderpane"?
I can only get an outbox folder with an arrow pointing NE, and an icon
that looks like the dashboard of a Fiat 500.
No sign of a cloud and a down arrow.

Ed

On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 19:02:02 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:

>Zaghadka wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:16:46 +0100, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It sucks, but I'm sticking with the new (and its preference for flashy
>>> show over usefulness).
>>> One thing bugs me, however. When I have items in the outbox, no
>>> indication appears. The previous version used to show a number.
>>>
>> Okay, so that's an easy one to fix. On the folderpane, you should have a
>> header that has a picture of a cloud with an down arrow, a "+ New
>> Message" button, and three dots.
>>
>> Click on the three dots, check off show total message count.
>>
>> Voila! Numbers.
>>
>> If you *don't* have the folderpane header, this is where the new
>> version's UI is kinda all over the place.
>>
>> Go to the hamburger menu on the right. View -> Folders, check "Folder
>> Pane Header."
>>
>> Then proceed with the first instructions. Most of the important settings
>> are right in the hamburger menu and, more importantly, for some reason
>> aren't revealed on the settings page. So play with every option and
>> familiarize yourself with them.
>>
>> Big departure. It looks like they're trying to deprecate the settings
>> page in favor of a nested menu.
>>
>
>Where the dickens is that "folderpane"?
>I can only get an outbox folder with an arrow pointing NE, and an icon
>that looks like the dashboard of a Fiat 500.
>No sign of a cloud and a down arrow.
>
The Folder Pane is a list of folders for each of your newsgroup servers
and mail accounts, and then local folders. It is always a vertical strip
on the left side in any layout, though it gets cut off by the preview
window in Wide View.

If you don't have one, hamburger -> layout -> check box next to Folder
Pane. It can be turned off and you may have done so to save space.

I feel the Folder Pane is pretty much necessary in 115, as it has the
download new mail and new message buttons on it, and I think the best way
to configure the UI is to kill the toolbar.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

My layout:

https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png

Folder Pane on the left immediately to the right of the "spaces" bar.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

Zaghadka wrote:
> My layout:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/bUmbwO4.png
>
> Folder Pane on the left immediately to the right of the "spaces" bar.
>

I got it to show by enabling "Show total message count"; but at the cost
of every folder displaying the same, and no compact view available.

These hamburgers you mention aren't here; neither is anything resembling
a "spaces bar"?
Do you speak English?

Ed

Ed

Ed Cryer wrote:

> Where the dickens is that "folderpane"?

there are some non-intuitive GUI options (where you need one thing
enabled, in order to enable another thing)

try these ...

view/folders/folder pane header

view/layout/message list header

but generally just tinker in all the menu options under view

Zaghadka wrote:

> I feel the Folder Pane is pretty much necessary in 115, as it has the
> download new mail and new message buttons on it, and I think the best
> way to configure the UI is to kill the toolbar.

As we're seeing, opinions vary, and TB lets people choose.

I never liked the reply/forward/delete buttons in the message header
toolbar that got added years ago, so I turn the message pane header
toolbar off, and use the main program toolbar (repositioned below the
menu bar)

therefore I see no need for the get mail and new message buttons at the
top of the folder pane, so I turn off the folder pane header, and turn
off the message list header too, cleaner in my opinion.