Paul wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> At the OS filesystem driver level, a 32 bit OS has a problem reading huge sizes.
>>
>> Even then, not really ... Win32 API uses two LONG integers for the high and low "halves" of a 64bit pointer for file seeking.
>
> There are some comments in here, regarding behaviors of older
> and much older OSes.
>
> C:\MinGW\include\stdio.h
>
> FILE * fopen64 (const char *, const char *); /* filename, filemode */
>
> # This stanza suggests Micky may be correct, for really old OSes.
> # And less correct for modern OSes. Maybe WinXP had proper 64 bit offsets
> # while it was a 32-bit OS. it suggests that MSVCRT (C runtime), did not
> # always exist. And whatever came before, had a different stdio.h .

I wasn't talking about MSVCRT, but the lower level Win32 API, which
existed when I was doing development on WinNT 3.x, e.g.

<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/api/fileapi/nf-fileapi-setfilepointer>

This was on 32bit windows before AMD64 existed (I think only MS internal
builds existed for 64bit MIPS and AXP until Win2K).

It probably wasn't implemented on Win9x because FAT can't store files
larger than 4GB anyway, only NTFS.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 09:00:10 +0000, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>micky wrote:
>
>> I would have thought this was an inevitable problem with language, were
>> it not for MS's other more ridiculous double uses of words
>
>And now, Windows is not just the name of an operating system, it's also
>the name of an app ... *that* won't be confusing.
>
><https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-app/overview>

For that matter, app should have been confined to phone programs, and
program should have continued to be used for computers. I think they
want the GUI to look the same, or something, but I don'tlike it. No
sirree, not good at all

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 25 Nov 2023 23:05:29 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>
>So I thought, maybe I'm using a 32-bit file manager. I know from
>experience they will not show every file. (Specifically the HOSTS file
>does not show.)

Will no one take the HOSTS challenge? Use a 32-bit file manager and see
if you can find the HOSTS file, or any file in the etc folder?

3 or 4 of you doubt my word, but you reply with technical theory and not
with 'best evidence'. Best evidence would be what happens when you look
in a 32-bit file manager!

micky wrote:

> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge? Use a 32-bit file manager

which one?

On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
> micky wrote:
>
>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>
> which one?
>

IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.

Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/

Here's the page to download the portable version.
https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/

AllanH wrote:

> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.

It's due to "funky" redirection tricks.

32bit apps trying to reach %windir%\system32 get shown %windir%\syswow6
instead, the drivers folder there doesn't have an etc folder in it.

If you go to the folder %windir%\sysnative you'll get what you'd expect
to see as %windir%\system32, including the drivers\etc folder with hosts
file in it.

Andy Burns wrote:

> It's due to "funky" redirection tricks.
>
> 32bit apps trying to reach %windir%\system32 get shown %windir%\syswow6
^^^^^^^^
syswow64

> instead, the drivers folder there doesn't have an etc folder in it.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:16:16 -0600, AllanH
<nospam@unokix.invalid> wrote:

>On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> micky wrote:
>>
>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>
>> which one?

You're choice. After 3 of them didn't work for me, I figured none
would.
>>
>
>IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.

I think that was one that I already had, tried, and yes, it didn't find
it.

>Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>
>Here's the page to download the portable version.
>https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/

On 2023-11-27 22:16, AllanH wrote:
> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> micky wrote:
>>
>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>
>> which one?
>>
>
> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>
> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>
> Here's the page to download the portable version.
> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/

If this is something that happened with a particular file browser, then
chances are it is not due to be 32 bit, but to some bug in that
particular file browser. Otherwise, it would happen with all 32 bit file
browsers.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Andy Burns wrote:

> It's due to "funky" redirection tricks.

<https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/winprog64/file-system-redirector>

On 11/27/2023 4:16 PM, AllanH wrote:
> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> micky wrote:
>>
>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>
>> which one?
>>
>
> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>
> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>
> Here's the page to download the portable version.
> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/wT4Lycqs/bar-bet-2243.gif

Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 22:55:37 +0100, "Carlos
E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>On 2023-11-27 22:16, AllanH wrote:
>> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> micky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>
>>> which one?
>>>
>>
>> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>
>> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>
>> Here's the page to download the portable version.
>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/
>
>If this is something that happened with a particular file browser, then
>chances are it is not due to be 32 bit, but to some bug in that
>particular file browser.

That's exactly why I tried 2 or 3 more.

> Otherwise, it would happen with all 32 bit file
>browsers.

And it did.

More posts by 3 people and no one has accepted the HOSTS challenge!

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:47:57 -0500, micky
<NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:

>In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 22:55:37 +0100, "Carlos
>E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2023-11-27 22:16, AllanH wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>>
>>>> which one?
>>>>
>>>
>>> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>>
>>> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>>
>>> Here's the page to download the portable version.
>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/
>>
>>If this is something that happened with a particular file browser, then
>>chances are it is not due to be 32 bit, but to some bug in that
>>particular file browser.
>
>That's exactly why I tried 2 or 3 more.
>
>> Otherwise, it would happen with all 32 bit file
>>browsers.
>
>And it did.
>
>More posts by 3 people and no one has accepted the HOSTS challenge!

Sorry, one of the 3 did accept,

Plus I'm waiting for Paul's image to load. Aha, he seems to have found
it too with FreeCommander (and win7 Premium), even though Allen used it
and didn't find it (with unknown OS). Could the OS make a difference,
could Home vs. Pro?

On 11/27/2023 5:57 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:47:57 -0500, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 22:55:37 +0100, "Carlos
>> E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-27 22:16, AllanH wrote:
>>>> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>>>
>>>>> which one?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>>>
>>>> Here's the page to download the portable version.
>>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/
>>>
>>> If this is something that happened with a particular file browser, then
>>> chances are it is not due to be 32 bit, but to some bug in that
>>> particular file browser.
>>
>> That's exactly why I tried 2 or 3 more.
>>
>>> Otherwise, it would happen with all 32 bit file
>>> browsers.
>>
>> And it did.
>>
>> More posts by 3 people and no one has accepted the HOSTS challenge!
>
> Sorry, one of the 3 did accept,
>
> Plus I'm waiting for Paul's image to load. Aha, he seems to have found
> it too with FreeCommander (and win7 Premium), even though Allen used it
> and didn't find it (with unknown OS). Could the OS make a difference,
> could Home vs. Pro?
>

Win7 test was Home Premium x86.

Paul

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:16:16 -0600, AllanH
<nospam@unokix.invalid> wrote:

>On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>> micky wrote:
>>
>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>
>> which one?
>>
>
>IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>
>Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/

This one did not find it for me either, not the file or the etc
directory. This was not one I'd used before. That was called
somethingelse-commander.

>Here's the page to download the portable version.
>https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 22:02:37 +0000, Andy
Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

>Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> It's due to "funky" redirection tricks.
>
><https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/winprog64/file-system-redirector>

What good is it that there is a reason if you can't find the file in
your file manager?

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:46:12 -0500, Paul
<nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 11/27/2023 4:16 PM, AllanH wrote:
>> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> micky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>
>>> which one?
>>>
>>
>> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>
>> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>
>> Here's the page to download the portable version.
>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/wT4Lycqs/bar-bet-2243.gif
>
> Paul

I have to resolve this. YOU show that you found it but I dno't see it
in my version of free commander, that is 32 bits (64 bits for donors
only.) I'm busy tomorrow morning, maybe after 2PM ET.

On 11/27/23 8:20 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:16:16 -0600, AllanH
> <nospam@unokix.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>> micky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>
>>> which one?
>>>
>>
>>IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>
>>Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>>https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>
> This one did not find it for me either, not the file or the etc
> directory. This was not one I'd used before. That was called
> somethingelse-commander.

Midnight commander? Linux, but supposedly windows too. Long ago there
was a similar but better DOS thing (BEFORE Norton), but I can't remember
its name.

The good thing about MC is that you can manipulate filenames with
illegal characters that the linux CL just can't deal with.

There were a LOT of open source utilities available for DOS. Norton
gathered many of them into a package, perhaps adding some bells and
whistles, and called them the Norton Utilities. I always thought that
was really shabby and wouldn't have even pirated it. And then came
Windows...

>>Here's the page to download the portable version.
>>https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/

--
Cheers, Bev
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote
themselves largess out of the public treasury."
-- Alexander Tyler (Unverified)

On 11/27/23 9:10 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/27/23 8:20 PM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:16:16 -0600, AllanH
>> <nospam@unokix.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>>
>>>> which one?
>>>>
>>>
>>>IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>>
>>>Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>>>https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>
>> This one did not find it for me either, not the file or the etc
>> directory. This was not one I'd used before. That was called
>> somethingelse-commander.
>
> Midnight commander? Linux, but supposedly windows too. Long ago there
> was a similar but better DOS thing (BEFORE Norton), but I can't remember
> its name.

Jeez, maybe it was for cp/m...

--
Cheers, Bev
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can
only exist until a majority of voters discover that they can vote
themselves largess out of the public treasury."
-- Alexander Tyler (Unverified)

Paul wrote:

> https://i.postimg.cc/wT4Lycqs/bar-bet-2243.gif

Win7 32bit or 64bit?

On 11/27/2023 4:57 PM, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:47:57 -0500, micky
> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 22:55:37 +0100, "Carlos
>> E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-27 22:16, AllanH wrote:
>>>> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>>>
>>>>> which one?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>>>
>>>> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>>>
>>>> Here's the page to download the portable version.
>>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/
>>>
>>> If this is something that happened with a particular file browser, then
>>> chances are it is not due to be 32 bit, but to some bug in that
>>> particular file browser.
>>
>> That's exactly why I tried 2 or 3 more.
>>
>>> Otherwise, it would happen with all 32 bit file
>>> browsers.
>>
>> And it did.
>>
>> More posts by 3 people and no one has accepted the HOSTS challenge!
>
> Sorry, one of the 3 did accept,
>
> Plus I'm waiting for Paul's image to load. Aha, he seems to have found
> it too with FreeCommander (and win7 Premium), even though Allen used it
> and didn't find it (with unknown OS). Could the OS make a difference,
> could Home vs. Pro?

My original OS was Win8.1 (64-bit). I upgraded to Win10 over a year ago.
FreeCommander's 32-bit version is limited with 64-bit versions of
Windows, according to this.

https://freecommander.com/en/faq-freecommander/#using-32-on-64

On 11/28/2023 1:54 AM, AllanH wrote:
> On 11/27/2023 4:57 PM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 17:47:57 -0500, micky
>> <NONONOmisc07@fmguy.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 22:55:37 +0100, "Carlos
>>> E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-27 22:16, AllanH wrote:
>>>>> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>>>>
>>>>>> which one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>>>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the page to download the portable version.
>>>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/
>>>>
>>>> If this is something that happened with a particular file browser, then
>>>> chances are it is not due to be 32 bit, but to some bug in that
>>>> particular file browser.
>>>
>>> That's exactly why I tried 2 or 3 more.
>>>
>>>> Otherwise, it would happen with all 32 bit file
>>>> browsers.
>>>
>>> And it did.
>>>
>>> More posts by 3 people and no one has accepted the HOSTS challenge!
>>
>> Sorry, one of the 3 did accept,
>>
>> Plus I'm waiting for Paul's image to load. Aha, he seems to have found
>> it too with FreeCommander (and win7 Premium), even though Allen used it
>> and didn't find it (with unknown OS).  Could the OS make a difference,
>> could Home vs. Pro?
>
> My original OS was Win8.1 (64-bit). I upgraded to Win10 over a year ago.
> FreeCommander's 32-bit version is limited with 64-bit versions of
> Windows, according to this.
>
> https://freecommander.com/en/faq-freecommander/#using-32-on-64

There are solutions to those problems on this page.

https://freecommander.com/en/version-summary/

I don't remember seeing those solutions when I was using the 32-bit version.

On 2023-11-28 06:10, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 11/27/23 8:20 PM, micky wrote:
>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:16:16 -0600, AllanH <nospam@unokix.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> micky wrote:

>> This one did not find it for me either, not the file or the etc
>> directory.   This was not one I'd used before.  That was called
>> somethingelse-commander.
>
> Midnight commander?  Linux, but supposedly windows too.  Long ago there
> was a similar but better DOS thing (BEFORE Norton), but I can't remember
> its name.

Xtree?

....

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

On 2023-11-27 23:47, micky wrote:
> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 22:55:37 +0100, "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-11-27 22:16, AllanH wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>>
>>>> which one?
>>>>
>>>
>>> IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>>
>>> Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>>
>>> Here's the page to download the portable version.
>>> https://freecommander.com/en/downloads-portable/
>>
>> If this is something that happened with a particular file browser, then
>> chances are it is not due to be 32 bit, but to some bug in that
>> particular file browser.
>
> That's exactly why I tried 2 or 3 more.
>
>> Otherwise, it would happen with all 32 bit file
>> browsers.
>
> And it did.
>
> More posts by 3 people and no one has accepted the HOSTS challenge!

I don't have a Windows machine at this location.

Anyway, Andy did post the explanation of the mystery, and now it makes
sense, sort of.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 22:05:52 -0800, The Real
Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 11/27/23 9:10 PM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> On 11/27/23 8:20 PM, micky wrote:
>>> In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Mon, 27 Nov 2023 15:16:16 -0600, AllanH
>>> <nospam@unokix.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 11/27/2023 2:28 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Will no one take the HOSTS challenge?  Use a 32-bit file manager
>>>>>
>>>>> which one?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>IIRC, FreeCommander did not show the HOSTS file.
>>>>
>>>>Here's the page to download FreeCommander's 32-bit file manager.
>>>>https://freecommander.com/en/downloads/
>>>
>>> This one did not find it for me either, not the file or the etc
>>> directory. This was not one I'd used before. That was called
>>> somethingelse-commander.
>>
>> Midnight commander?

I think it was Total Commander, but Midnight Commander must be a fine
fellow, who solves crimes with his wit and super-powers.

>>Linux, but supposedly windows too. Long ago there
>> was a similar but better DOS thing (BEFORE Norton), but I can't remember
>> its name.
>
>Jeez, maybe it was for cp/m...

LOL Yes, who can keep track.