On 10/12/2023 04:35, ...w�񧱤� wrote:
> Brian Gregory wrote on 12/9/23 7:20 PM:
>> As I understand it:
>>
>> v8.1.7784 is home version with free demo,
>> v8.0.7279 is last free version.
>> Iirc, using the feature/option within the Macrium Reflect free version
> program:
> - 7279 after 7690 free update version was released will update to 7690
> - 7690 after 7783 free update version was released will update to 7783
> I suspect, if the current installed version is 7290, it would update
> to 7783.
>
> If choosing a different path than updating via the program the full
> installer version of 7690 and 7783 are available.
>
> Additional info for each of the full version installers
> 7279 has a digital signature of January 10, 2023
> 7690 has a digital signature of October 11, 2023
> 7783 has a digital signature of November 30, 2023
>

Bug fixes and Improvements v8.1.7784 - 1st December 2023

��� Rescue Media
������� We have successfully addressed a long standing issue related to
the rescue media, rectifying the potential failure to auto-populate the
'Existing Backups' view. The root cause of this problem was identified
as a change, made by Windows Update on some systems, to a GPT attribute
setting that concealed the system volume at PE startup.
������� We've resolved a problem where an auto restore could hide the
main Reflect window in the rescue media.

On 05/12/2023 21:36, jason_warren@ieee.org wrote:
> I can no longer find the Macrium website. Is it gone?
>

If you are looking for the free version it's available from, amongst
others, Major Geeks
- -
https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/macrium_reflect_free_edition.html

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Stan Brown wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 21:18:04 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
>>
>> Stan Brown wrote:
>>> Are you sure about that? The free version won't create file and
>>> folder backups, only image backups, so I was asking whether it will
>>> restore individual files or folders. Of course I can download the
>>> installer and try it, but that's kind of a pain and I was hoping you
>>> knew the answer.
>>
>> I use only the free version; always have done.
>> I take a full image of my SSD regularly. And from that image I can pick
>> off individual files or folders. Macrium can mount the image as a
>> virtual drive; and that gives me access to all its contents through Win
>> Explorer.
>
> Thanks, Ed; that's just what I wanted to know.
>
>> I advise you to do the same. Take a regular full image. And that can be
>> used for either a full restore of the drive, or to pick off individual
>> files and folders.
>
> Why don't I do that? Because my E: partition (10 GB) contains a 2 GB
> container managed by VeraCrypt, where financial and medical records
> live. If I did a full image backup of E:, then every time I did a
> differential backup those 2 GB would get backed up again, even though
> only a couple of hundred KB were actually new.
>
> If I remember right, MR won't actually do full image backups on
> VeraCrypt partitions, even if I have VeraCrypt running to decode
> them. I'm not 100% certain of that, but I think I tried it when I
> first installed MR and it didn't work. I can't think of another
> reason I would have done file and folder backup on them. In any case,
> file and folder backup does work on such partitions. Of course the
> backup doesn't have the original Veracrypt password, but it does have
> a strong password that I use for backups.
>
>> If you want regular saves of specific files or folders, there are other
>> methods available.
>
> It's not a matter of backing up specified files or folders, but of
> backing up everything _except_ one particular file.
>

How about this as a solution?
Move the Veracrypt file to a partition of its own.
Macrium can't exclude individual files from its imaging, but it's a
doddle to exclude a partition.

As for the incremental backing up of the Veracrypt file, try the
Sourceforge Veracrypt forum. There's a recent discussion here;
https://sourceforge.net/p/veracrypt/discussion/technical/thread/eb44ae7764/
but I'd feel more inclined to start a new thread, put the full problem
to them and see what they have to offer.

Ed

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 21:18:04 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >
> > Stan Brown wrote:
> > > Are you sure about that? The free version won't create file and
> > > folder backups, only image backups, so I was asking whether it will
> > > restore individual files or folders. Of course I can download the
> > > installer and try it, but that's kind of a pain and I was hoping you
> > > knew the answer.
> >
> > I use only the free version; always have done.
> > I take a full image of my SSD regularly. And from that image I can pick
> > off individual files or folders. Macrium can mount the image as a
> > virtual drive; and that gives me access to all its contents through Win
> > Explorer.
>
> Thanks, Ed; that's just what I wanted to know.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding the situation, but I think there's still
a catch.

AFAIK, you have the paid version of Macrium on one computer (C1) and
ask whether the free version of Macrium on a second computer (C2), can
restore individual files from an image of the first computer (C1).

If that's indeed the scenario, the answer is "It depends!".

At this very moment, the answer is probably yes. But as the free
version gets older, it might *not* be able to handle an image which is
made by a (much) newer version (assuming the paid version is kept up to
date).

It's reasonable to assume that a newer Macrium version will be able to
handle an image made by an older version. (Backward compatibility.)

But the opposite, an older Macrium version handling an image made be
newer version, might become impossible at some time when Macrium changes
/ needs to change the format of an image. This would need the old
version to be forward compatible with the new version, which is a rare
exception, because it requires looking into the future at the time when
the old version was developed.

Stan Brown wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2023 12:31:57 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> You can get Macrium Reflect FREE Edition 8.1.7784 here;
>> https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/macrium_reflect_free_edition.html
>>
>> That is the latest (and probably last) free issue.
>
> Ed,
>
> Can I use that one to mount a MR backup created by the paid version
> and extract individual files from it?
>
> Right now I have the paid version on one PC of my two, and if I need
> to recover an older version of a file onto the other, I attach the
> external backup drive to the MR-hosting PC, extract the file, and
> then transfer it on a USB stick. It would be a bit more convenient to
> be able to attach the backup drive directly to the other PC.

You can extract files with free. I saw this message but forgot where it
was. I have registered Macrium on 1 computer and free on 2 computers. I
answered your question in alt.comp.freeware because I became interested in
this and because I will not be renewing my registration.
--
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Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska

Mark Drummond wrote on 12/9/23 11:00 PM:
> On 10/12/2023 04:35, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Brian Gregory wrote on 12/9/23 7:20 PM:
>>> As I understand it:
>>>
>>> v8.1.7784 is home version with free demo,
>>> v8.0.7279 is last free version.
>>> Iirc, using the feature/option within the Macrium Reflect free version
>> program:
>> - 7279 after 7690 free update version was released will update to 7690
>> - 7690 after 7783 free update version was released will update to 7783
>> I suspect, if the current installed version is 7290, it would update
>> to 7783.
>>
>> If choosing a different path than updating via the program the full
>> installer version of 7690 and 7783 are available.
>>
>> Additional info for each of the full version installers
>> 7279 has a digital signature of January 10, 2023
>> 7690 has a digital signature of October 11, 2023
>> 7783 has a digital signature of November 30, 2023
>>
>
> Bug fixes and Improvements v8.1.7784 - 1st December 2023
>
>     Rescue Media
>         We have successfully addressed a long standing issue related to
> the rescue media, rectifying the potential failure to auto-populate the
> 'Existing Backups' view. The root cause of this problem was identified
> as a change, made by Windows Update on some systems, to a GPT attribute
> setting that concealed the system volume at PE startup.
>         We've resolved a problem where an auto restore could hide the
> main Reflect window in the rescue media.
>
>

The op iirc was referencing the free version(8.0.xxxx)
Version 8.1.7784 is the Home version
- Home is available in two forms - Annual subscription or One time purchase
- thus the differences in version and build numbers between 8.0 and 8.1

The latest free 8.0 version is .7783
<https://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v8/v8.0.7783/details8.0.7783.htm>

Form a patch standpoint - the rescue media patch issue was deployed for
both Free(8.0.7783) and Home(8.1.7784)

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On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:23:24 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 12/9/2023 2:32 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>
>> It's not a matter of backing up specified files or folders, but of
>> backing up everything _except_ one particular file.
>>
>
>There is a capability for this, but it relies on a feature of VSS
>and so is not necessarily perfectly under the control of Macrium.
>It may have trouble excluding a hundred thousand folders for example,
>because the operation (at VSS level), has to complete in ten seconds
>or less (the quiescence response period). After everything is
>quiet on a partition snapshot, then the snapshot is "cast in stone"
>for the remainder of the attempted disk imaging. They're not
>backing up your partition, they are backing up a VSS snapshot
>of your partition. That's why the real partition can change,
>while the backup runs on a "hot" system, and you still get a
>perfect copy of the snapshot of the partition.
>
> https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW7/How+to+exclude+files+from+a+Disk+Image
>
>If you only need to remove one item, there is a good chance it would
>work, during a full partition image operation.
>
>But if you were enumerating half of the tiny folders in WinSxS,
>the exclusion step being done by VSS, may fail to complete, and
>things you didn't want backed up, would be getting backed up anyway.
>
>It still raises the question, of how a File/Folder backup would work,
>because you really want VSS to be carrying those out for you too.

I most certainly would not want VSS to be involved in a file/folder backup. I
don't think anyone would. Think of the hundreds of millions of computer users
worldwide who copy or move billions of files every day, all without the overhead
of VSS or similar, and you quickly see that VSS is absolutely unnecessary in
that scenario.

I have a specific piece of software that places great value on maintaining file
integrity as it moves files from one volume to another. The basic steps are:
1. enumerate the files
2. select the first file and calculate its crc32
3. copy the file and calculate the copied file's crc32
4. compare the two crc values
4a. if they match, go to the next file
4b. if they don't match, log it to console and disk, try again

As expected, it's quite slow and there's never a crc mismatch.

>The
>objective is to get complete snapshots of files ("intact" files), and
>not bits of files some older bits, and some newer bits that
>just got saved in Microsoft Word.

I use VSS to get a complete snapshot of a volume. I would not want to use it to
get a complete snapshot of a file since that doesn't seem to be an actual
problem.

<snip>

On 12/11/2023 2:20 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:23:24 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 12/9/2023 2:32 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not a matter of backing up specified files or folders, but of
>>> backing up everything _except_ one particular file.
>>>
>>
>> There is a capability for this, but it relies on a feature of VSS
>> and so is not necessarily perfectly under the control of Macrium.
>> It may have trouble excluding a hundred thousand folders for example,
>> because the operation (at VSS level), has to complete in ten seconds
>> or less (the quiescence response period). After everything is
>> quiet on a partition snapshot, then the snapshot is "cast in stone"
>> for the remainder of the attempted disk imaging. They're not
>> backing up your partition, they are backing up a VSS snapshot
>> of your partition. That's why the real partition can change,
>> while the backup runs on a "hot" system, and you still get a
>> perfect copy of the snapshot of the partition.
>>
>> https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW7/How+to+exclude+files+from+a+Disk+Image
>>
>> If you only need to remove one item, there is a good chance it would
>> work, during a full partition image operation.
>>
>> But if you were enumerating half of the tiny folders in WinSxS,
>> the exclusion step being done by VSS, may fail to complete, and
>> things you didn't want backed up, would be getting backed up anyway.
>>
>> It still raises the question, of how a File/Folder backup would work,
>> because you really want VSS to be carrying those out for you too.
>
> I most certainly would not want VSS to be involved in a file/folder backup. I
> don't think anyone would. Think of the hundreds of millions of computer users
> worldwide who copy or move billions of files every day, all without the overhead
> of VSS or similar, and you quickly see that VSS is absolutely unnecessary in
> that scenario.
>
> I have a specific piece of software that places great value on maintaining file
> integrity as it moves files from one volume to another. The basic steps are:
> 1. enumerate the files
> 2. select the first file and calculate its crc32
> 3. copy the file and calculate the copied file's crc32
> 4. compare the two crc values
> 4a. if they match, go to the next file
> 4b. if they don't match, log it to console and disk, try again
>
> As expected, it's quite slow and there's never a crc mismatch.
>
>> The
>> objective is to get complete snapshots of files ("intact" files), and
>> not bits of files some older bits, and some newer bits that
>> just got saved in Microsoft Word.
>
> I use VSS to get a complete snapshot of a volume. I would not want to use it to
> get a complete snapshot of a file since that doesn't seem to be an actual
> problem.
>
> <snip>
>

While it is running, use "vssadmin" and list shadows and
see what is going on.

# administrator

vssadmin list shadows

Some software products use persistent shadows, and the list
can be fuller than other peoples machines.

There is a maximum number of shadows (64?), and
some people end up with an extensive list of them.
It all depends on whether a backup product "manages"
your machine, as to the extent of this. Perhaps some
flavor of Incrementals or Incremental-Forever, uses it.

Paul

On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 18:47:26 -0500, Paul wrote:
> A Full Image can also be converted to a VHD file, for virtual machine use.
> 7-ZIP tool, can also read files from a VHD. The dead-end format VHDX that
> Hyper-V uses, no tools seem to interact with that, and that is probably
> why Img2VHD was discontinued, as making a Img2VHDX would be a waste of
> everyones time. 7ZIP can't read a VHDX either.
>
> IMG2VHD stopped perhaps in V6, but it can still convert a Full MRIMG
> from V7 to a VHD. I have not matrix tested all the output options
> of Macrium, to see which ones can be converted to VHD.

If Macrium Reflect Free will mount an image file and let me recover
individual files from it, is there any advantage to converting the
image to VHD using IMG2VHD, then opening it with 7-Zip?

Am I missing something?

--
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Shikata ga nai...

On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 23:23:24 -0500, Paul wrote:
>
> On 12/9/2023 2:32 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> >
> > It's not a matter of backing up specified files or folders, but of
> > backing up everything _except_ one particular file.
>
> There is a capability for this, but it relies on a feature of VSS
> and so is not necessarily perfectly under the control of Macrium.
> It may have trouble excluding a hundred thousand folders for example,
> because the operation (at VSS level), has to complete in ten seconds
> or less (the quiescence response period). After everything is
> quiet on a partition snapshot, then the snapshot is "cast in stone"
> for the remainder of the attempted disk imaging. They're not
> backing up your partition, they are backing up a VSS snapshot
> of your partition. That's why the real partition can change,
> while the backup runs on a "hot" system, and you still get a
> perfect copy of the snapshot of the partition.
>
> https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW7/How+to+exclude+files+from+a+Disk+Image
>
> If you only need to remove one item, there is a good chance it would
> work, during a full partition image operation.

And I don't do anything else on the PC while the backup is
proceeding. Of course I can't control what background processes and
services may do, but I suspect they wouldn't affect any partition
other than C:.

However ... what's wrong with doing a File and Folder backup instead
of a Full Image backup? Either way, VSS will be invoked and the
backup will work from that frozen copy, right?
> It still raises the question, of how a File/Folder backup would work,
> because you really want VSS to be carrying those out for you too.

As far as I can recall, it does. (I'm about to do my weekly backup,
so it's been 7 days since I saw whether VSS succeeded or failed on my
E: partition.)

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Shikata ga nai...

On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 13:18:53 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
>
> Stan Brown wrote:
> > On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 21:18:04 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >>
> >> Stan Brown wrote:
> >>> Are you sure about that? The free version won't create file and
> >>> folder backups, only image backups, so I was asking whether it will
> >>> restore individual files or folders. Of course I can download the
> >>> installer and try it, but that's kind of a pain and I was hoping you
> >>> knew the answer.
> >>
> >> I use only the free version; always have done.
> >> I take a full image of my SSD regularly. And from that image I can pick
> >> off individual files or folders. Macrium can mount the image as a
> >> virtual drive; and that gives me access to all its contents through Win
> >> Explorer.
> >
> > Thanks, Ed; that's just what I wanted to know.
> >
> >> I advise you to do the same. Take a regular full image. And that can be
> >> used for either a full restore of the drive, or to pick off individual
> >> files and folders.
> >
> > Why don't I do that? Because my E: partition (10 GB) contains a 2 GB
> > container managed by VeraCrypt, where financial and medical records
> > live. If I did a full image backup of E:, then every time I did a
> > differential backup those 2 GB would get backed up again, even though
> > only a couple of hundred KB were actually new.
> >
> > If I remember right, MR won't actually do full image backups on
> > VeraCrypt partitions, even if I have VeraCrypt running to decode
> > them. I'm not 100% certain of that, but I think I tried it when I
> > first installed MR and it didn't work. I can't think of another
> > reason I would have done file and folder backup on them. In any case,
> > file and folder backup does work on such partitions. Of course the
> > backup doesn't have the original Veracrypt password, but it does have
> > a strong password that I use for backups.
> >
> >> If you want regular saves of specific files or folders, there are other
> >> methods available.
> >
> > It's not a matter of backing up specified files or folders, but of
> > backing up everything _except_ one particular file.
>
> How about this as a solution?
> Move the Veracrypt file to a partition of its own.

I think that probably makes sense. Only -- does it really matter
whether I do an image backup or a File and folder backup of a
partition? I do understand the difference between them, or at least I
think I do, but I don't understand why people seem to prefer an image
backup over a File and Folder.

> Macrium can't exclude individual files from its imaging, but it's a
> doddle to exclude a partition.

True, though Paul posted a link to how to exclude an individual file
from VSS, which means it would be excluded from the backup:

<https://knowledgebase.macrium.com/display/KNOW7/How+to+exclude+files
+from+a+Disk+Image>

(Sorry about the URL being split across lines.)

> As for the incremental backing up of the Veracrypt file, try the
> Sourceforge Veracrypt forum. There's a recent discussion here;
> https://sourceforge.net/p/veracrypt/discussion/technical/thread/eb44ae7764/
> but I'd feel more inclined to start a new thread, put the full problem
> to them and see what they have to offer.

Thanks for the pointer. I didn't even think to check whether there
was a VeraCrypt forum.

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On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 09:00:46 -0900, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
>
> Stan Brown wrote:
> > On Wed, 6 Dec 2023 12:31:57 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
> >> You can get Macrium Reflect FREE Edition 8.1.7784 here;
> >> https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/macrium_reflect_free_edition.html
> >>
> >> That is the latest (and probably last) free issue.
> >
> > Can I use that one to mount a MR backup created by the paid version
> > and extract individual files from it?
> >
> > Right now I have the paid version on one PC of my two, and if I need
> > to recover an older version of a file onto the other, I attach the
> > external backup drive to the MR-hosting PC, extract the file, and
> > then transfer it on a USB stick. It would be a bit more convenient to
> > be able to attach the backup drive directly to the other PC.
>
> You can extract files with free. I saw this message but forgot where it
> was. I have registered Macrium on 1 computer and free on 2 computers.

Thanks, Bill. I'm not sure how my query made it to alt.comp.freeware.

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On 12/11/2023 6:59 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Dec 2023 18:47:26 -0500, Paul wrote:
>> A Full Image can also be converted to a VHD file, for virtual machine use.
>> 7-ZIP tool, can also read files from a VHD. The dead-end format VHDX that
>> Hyper-V uses, no tools seem to interact with that, and that is probably
>> why Img2VHD was discontinued, as making a Img2VHDX would be a waste of
>> everyones time. 7ZIP can't read a VHDX either.
>>
>> IMG2VHD stopped perhaps in V6, but it can still convert a Full MRIMG
>> from V7 to a VHD. I have not matrix tested all the output options
>> of Macrium, to see which ones can be converted to VHD.
>
> If Macrium Reflect Free will mount an image file and let me recover
> individual files from it, is there any advantage to converting the
> image to VHD using IMG2VHD, then opening it with 7-Zip?
>
> Am I missing something?
>

I try to list some of the capabilities so you know they exist.

It's up to you to pick items from the table, as you wish.

A File&Folder backup, is the ultimate in efficiency, if
it just backs up the things you want.

Image backups are for people who want recovery-of-state,
like I'm using on this computer right now. I tried to
Repair Install twice, to fix a networking issue related
to a RealTek NIC, and not only wasn't the problem fixed,
the problems got worse. Now, WSL no longer works, on
the last forward attempt. I tried all the recommended fixes
and it continues to say the HyperV platform isn't working.

I was forced to roll back C: , and I may roll it back
a few more months before the day is done. The theory being,
this is less work than bolting all my VM stuff back together
from scratch. I rolled it back three days, now all my VM
stuff works, but the NIC loses DNS about five minutes after
boot. The system works fine using a USB to Ethernet (ASIX)
adapter, but I can't leave it that way. That is, after all,
my emergency NIC. I have to fix it and put the emergency NIC
back in the box (for emergencies).

It's getting harder to find replacement Ethernet cards now.
Marvel seemed to exit the networking area, some time ago.
Intel still offers at least one product, but I no longer
see depth there. And the price of an Intel NIC is outrageous.
For not much more, I could get an AQC107 instead. I certainly
cannot accept any Realtek cards, because as of now, I cannot
trust their drivers any more. It might not be their driver -- it
may well be a Microsoft issue, but I don't seem to have trouble
with Intel product (the Test Machine built-in Intel NIC has
always worked properly).

The Marvel NIC, only one bad driver the whole time I used it.
And that was fixed relatively quickly, at the time.

A number of my spares, are for PCI bus, and the new motherboards
don't have PCI, so I'm kinda screwed on spares.

Paul

On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 19:53:32 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>Image backups are for people who want recovery-of-state,
>like I'm using on this computer right now. I tried to
>Repair Install twice, to fix a networking issue related
>to a RealTek NIC, and not only wasn't the problem fixed,
>the problems got worse. Now, WSL no longer works, on
>the last forward attempt. I tried all the recommended fixes
>and it continues to say the HyperV platform isn't working.
>
>I was forced to roll back C: , and I may roll it back
>a few more months before the day is done. The theory being,
>this is less work than bolting all my VM stuff back together
>from scratch. I rolled it back three days, now all my VM
>stuff works, but the NIC loses DNS about five minutes after
>boot. The system works fine using a USB to Ethernet (ASIX)
>adapter, but I can't leave it that way. That is, after all,
>my emergency NIC. I have to fix it and put the emergency NIC
>back in the box (for emergencies).

What does "loses DNS" look like when it happens? What does it look like at the
packet level?

Since WSL isn't working, you probably can't use tcpdump, but you can still use
the Windows counterpart, windump, to examine your DNS traffic or to see if it
exists at all. Get familiar with how the packets look when DNS is working so
that you have a baseline for when things stop working. Maybe you've done that
already.

Stan Brown wrote:

>
> I think that probably makes sense. Only -- does it really matter
> whether I do an image backup or a File and folder backup of a
> partition? I do understand the difference between them, or at least I
> think I do, but I don't understand why people seem to prefer an image
> backup over a File and Folder.
>

It's all a question of capitalising on the free version of Macrium. The
file and folder backup is only there as a thirty-day trial.
I've always just used the image backup (with an occasional clone for
possible speedy SSD-replacement; but never actually needed); and I've
done many a full restore from images, always successfully.
There's one downside to this strategy; a full restore will lose all data
added since the image used was taken. Which won't do for those with
daily-or-even-hourly updated info; customer accounts, sales figures and
the like. But the vast majority of personal computers at home don't
include those; nor does mine; so the image strategy will suffice for them.
I keep ebooks, music and similar separately on external drives. IMAP
rather than POP email accounts, spread over different devices.

Ed

Ed Cryer wrote:
> Stan Brown wrote:
>
>>
>> I think that probably makes sense. Only -- does it really matter
>> whether I do an image backup or a File and folder backup of a
>> partition? I do understand the difference between them, or at least I
>> think I do, but I don't understand why people seem to prefer an image
>> backup over a File and Folder.
>>
>
> It's all a question of capitalising on the free version of Macrium. The
> file and folder backup is only there as a thirty-day trial.
> I've always just used the image backup (with an occasional clone for
> possible speedy SSD-replacement; but never actually needed); and I've
> done many a full restore from images, always successfully.
> There's one downside to this strategy; a full restore will lose all data
> added since the image used was taken. Which won't do for those with
> daily-or-even-hourly updated info; customer accounts, sales figures and
> the like. But the vast majority of personal computers at home don't
> include those; nor does mine; so the image strategy will suffice for them.
> I keep ebooks, music and similar separately on external drives. IMAP
> rather than POP email accounts, spread over different devices.
>
> Ed
>

If I had certain files and folders that changed hourly, I think I'd use
one of many available methods to regularly back them up; EaseUS, Windows
backup, lots of scripts available on the Net. And I'd have that fully
scheduled to be run hourly or so. It might take a few minutes to run, as
opposed to the hour of Macrium image-taking.

Ed

On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 12:22:09 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Stan Brown wrote:
>
> > [quoted text muted]
> > partition? I do understand the difference between them, or at least I
> > think I do, but I don't understand why people seem to prefer an image
> > backup over a File and Folder.
> >
>
> It's all a question of capitalising on the free version of Macrium. The
> file and folder backup is only there as a thirty-day trial.
>

Thanks for clarifying. Since I already have the paid version, and
only _create_ backups on the desktop PC where that version lives, it
sounds like there's no real reason not to use File and Folder backup.

VSS does get used on a File and Folder backup, by the way, as I found
when I did my regular weekly backup.

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On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 12:34:20 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Ed Cryer wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> > rather than POP email accounts, spread over different devices.
> >
> > Ed
> >
>
> If I had certain files and folders that changed hourly, I think I'd use
> one of many available methods to regularly back them up; EaseUS, Windows
> backup, lots of scripts available on the Net. And I'd have that fully
> scheduled to be run hourly or so. It might take a few minutes to run, as
> opposed to the hour of Macrium image-taking.

That's what I use my USB stick for. It's not a performance issue for
me: Macrium Reflect takes under 15 minutes to do a full backup of all
partitions.

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On Mon, 11 Dec 2023 19:53:32 -0500, Paul wrote:
> On 12/11/2023 6:59 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> > image to VHD using IMG2VHD, then opening it with 7-Zip?
> >
> > Am I missing something?
> >
>
> I try to list some of the capabilities so you know they exist.
>
> It's up to you to pick items from the table, as you wish.
>
> A File&Folder backup, is the ultimate in efficiency, if
> it just backs up the things you want.

Thanks for clarifying, Paul.

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Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2023 12:34:20 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:
> > Ed Cryer wrote:
> > > [quoted text muted]
> > > rather than POP email accounts, spread over different devices.
> > >
> > > Ed
> > >
> >
> > If I had certain files and folders that changed hourly, I think I'd use
> > one of many available methods to regularly back them up; EaseUS, Windows
> > backup, lots of scripts available on the Net. And I'd have that fully
> > scheduled to be run hourly or so. It might take a few minutes to run, as
> > opposed to the hour of Macrium image-taking.

> That's what I use my USB stick for. It's not a performance issue for
> me: Macrium Reflect takes under 15 minutes to do a full backup of all
> partitions.

I still use old optical discs, but discovered https://www.ventoy.net. I
hope Macrium Reflect will work with it! :)
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