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* No internet, securedmicky
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+* No internet, securedPhilip Herlihy
|`* No internet, securedDave Roya
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`* No internet, securedArno Welzel
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From: usenet@arnowelzel.de (Arno Welzel)
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 by: Arno Welzel - Fri, 5 Jan 2024 11:16 UTC

Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 22:17:

> Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>> On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
[...]
>>> But that device usually has a different name.
>>>
>>> "Hotspot" "Tethering"
>>
>> No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
>> knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the
>> house.
>
> +1

Well - when using a Smartphone as a mobile hotspot it also acts as a router.

"Hotspot" in this context is just another term for "Wifi access point".
How this access point provides an internet connection is not important
for the clients. For the client there is no differnce, if the Wifi is
provided by a Smartphone with its hotspot feature enabled or if that is
a router with a 4G/5G mobile network connection.

However, "tethering" in it's original meaning is using another device
for specific services via a tether - this can be a cable but also
wireless thethering via bluetooth or Wifi is possible.

In the context of Smartphones the service is usually internet access,
but there is also "tethered digital photography" where you connect a
digital camera to a computer (usually using USB or Wifi) and take
pictures with the camera which will then processed directly on the computer.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Paul - Fri, 5 Jan 2024 17:22 UTC

On 1/5/2024 5:31 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> On 05.01.24 10:46, wasbit wrote:
>> On 04/01/2024 12:11, Paul wrote:
>>> On 1/4/2024 5:54 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>>>> On 04.01.24 10:55, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.
>>>>>
>>>>> 5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.
>>>>
>>>> Wifi-Router that use 5G or 4G as connection to the internet are very
>>>> popular in many places. I used one in France during vacation two years ago.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But that device usually has a different name.
>>>
>>> "Hotspot" "Tethering"
>>>
>>> https://support.google.com/android/answer/9059108?hl=en
>>>
>>> These contains some words about the telco side, as well
>>> as the flavor of Wifi 6/6e provided.
>>>
>>> https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-mobile-hotspots
>>>
>>
>> Perhaps you are not familiar with LTE routers that use a SIM card.
>
> Seems to be pretty obvious.
>

It's not clear you even need it here.

If you look at the SSIDs in the city, you'll find
a supply of Telco ones. Which suggests some boxen
near me, serve Wifi, as well as a tower I can see from
my livingroom window, offers 4G and 5G. That
means there are at least four connection options
in my neighbourhood: ADSL/VDSL, fiber, 4G/5G, Wifi SSIDs
with telco names. the fiber was moled in, last year
(no trench).

Originally, the box that offered tethering, did not
come with the module for 4G. That was acquired separately
by the user. And placed inside a small box ("Cradlepoint").
Only certain combinations of Verizon this and Cradlepoint that,
worked together. I cannot find a picture of the devices
offered long ago for this.

The box was then connected to a laptop. The reason for all this
careful design, is so that only *one computer* would
connect over 4G. The intention was not to cause a high
occupancy connection to the tower, fucking up the
statistics of usage. Just the data cap, was supposed to
control the activity.

Back when this was going on, at least some telecoms in
the States, had automatic detection you were doing this,
and a $10 monthly fee would immediately show up on the bill.

As to what people choose to do today, I have no idea
what the telco agrees to do. Having too many fools doing
Windows Update off one tower, cannot end well. When I go to the
mall, I have zero interest in Telecoms, deals on SIMS
and such like. I don't own a smartphone. My scrolling thumb is
the original length - no wear :-)

Imagine how big my phone bill is each month. Is it $200 ?
Do I moan about it ? It's $10 a month. That's my bill.

I swore an oath, I would not do business with the local telco,
and... I've stuck to my guns. They kept raising the price of
POTS into the stratosphere, and we parted company. In my city,
it took the miserable fuckers *ten years* to implement number
portability, so I could port my number and "escape". And apparently
holding my phone number hostage, was "legal".

I even had to go to the local Phone Store, and have my name
and address taken off the list for their "door to door salesman".
I explained to the clerk, that some day, one of them
would be badly beaten, and this was the best thing for
both parties. IT took a bit of time, but the staff did find
the contact in the main office downtown, to be removed
from their marketing group.

I'm still hooked to the phone system, but there is
"one degree of separation", so I no longer have to deal
with their staff and policies. You know, "Retention department".
Best for both parties. And my blood pressure.

They weren't always that way. At one time, the Phone Store
staff were empowered. If you wanted to stop a POTS service,
it would only take five minutes at the counter. And then
one day, everything changed. The staff at the store told
me, they could no longer do anything like that, and everything
had to be done through Retention. And the Retention Asshole
on the phone, would not listen to instructions.

Paul

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 by: Jörg Lorenz - Fri, 5 Jan 2024 17:31 UTC

On 05.01.24 12:16, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 22:17:
>
>> Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>> On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
> [...]
>>>> But that device usually has a different name.
>>>>
>>>> "Hotspot" "Tethering"
>>>
>>> No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
>>> knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the
>>> house.
>>
>> +1
>
> Well - when using a Smartphone as a mobile hotspot it also acts as a router.

No, it is only a gateway to the internet.

--
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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 by: Paul - Fri, 5 Jan 2024 17:33 UTC

On 1/5/2024 6:01 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Andy Burns, 2024-01-04 10:55:
>
>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>
>>> micky wrote:
>>>
>>>> I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.
>>>
>>> No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.
>>
>> 5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.
>
> Yes, I did not realize, that it was about WiFi with 5GHz.
>

Wifi is on a number of bands now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi-Fi

"The 802.11 standard provides several distinct radio frequency ranges
for use in Wi-Fi communications: 900 MHz, 2.4 GHz, 3.6 GHz, 4.9 GHz,
5 GHz, 5.9 GHz and 60 GHz bands. Each range is divided into a
multitude of channels."

Some of the allocation is via whitespace. If your equipment hears radar
pulses, it is not allowed to transmit on the band or channel. This means
if an area does not have a radar, you might squeeze some Wifi usage from it.
The firmware in the box you bought, contains the country-compliant logic
for the policies.

And some of the bands are unlicensed zoos. And you know which ones
those are.

The wall penetration power, improves the lower the frequency. 900MHz
would be very nice, but I can't imagine where that is a legal band.

The top end of the broadcast television spectrum was sold off, but I don't know
if any services have finally been placed in that band.

Paul

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 by: Arno Welzel - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 14:32 UTC

Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-05 18:31:

> On 05.01.24 12:16, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 22:17:
>>
>>> Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>> On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> But that device usually has a different name.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hotspot" "Tethering"
>>>>
>>>> No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
>>>> knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the
>>>> house.
>>>
>>> +1
>>
>> Well - when using a Smartphone as a mobile hotspot it also acts as a router.
>
> No, it is only a gateway to the internet.

Please explain the difference between a smartphone being used as a
mobile hotspot and a mobile router with an LTE/5G module provide
internet access via WiFi.

Keep in mind, that a smartphone also allows multiple devices to use the
hotspot at the same time.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Arno Welzel - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 14:33 UTC

Paul, 2024-01-05 18:33:

> On 1/5/2024 6:01 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Andy Burns, 2024-01-04 10:55:
>>
>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>
>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.
>>>>
>>>> No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.
>>>
>>> 5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.
>>
>> Yes, I did not realize, that it was about WiFi with 5GHz.
>>
>
> Wifi is on a number of bands now.

I know that! I just misunderstood the posting.

JFTR: I've been in the IT industry as network administrator, software
developer and project manager for more than 30 years and also develop
Android software.

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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> Paul, 2024-01-05 18:33:
>
>> On 1/5/2024 6:01 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Andy Burns, 2024-01-04 10:55:
>>>
>>>> Arno Welzel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> micky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried both the regular wifi and the one with -5G.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, 5G has nothing to do with WiFi.
>>>>
>>>> 5G doesn't, but (as I'm sure you're aware) 5GHz does.
>>>
>>> Yes, I did not realize, that it was about WiFi with 5GHz.
>>>
>>
>> Wifi is on a number of bands now.
>
> I know that! I just misunderstood the posting.
>
> JFTR: I've been in the IT industry as network administrator, software
> developer and project manager for more than 30 years and also develop
> Android software.

I'm learning new things every day.

Just today, I learned they changed Avogadros Number :-/
It is no longer 6.02252 x 10^23 any more.

This was the subject of a number of nerd jokes.
And damn if they haven't made a joke of it, once again.

That's why cans of Coca Cola are getting smaller.

Paul

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On 1/7/24 9:41 AM, Paul wrote:
> On 1/6/2024 9:33 AM, Arno Welzel wrote:
>> Paul, 2024-01-05 18:33:
>>
>> JFTR: I've been in the IT industry as network administrator, software
>> developer and project manager for more than 30 years and also develop
>> Android software.
>
> I'm learning new things every day.
>
> Just today, I learned they changed Avogadros Number :-/
> It is no longer 6.02252 x 10^23 any more.
>
> This was the subject of a number of nerd jokes.
> And damn if they haven't made a joke of it, once again.
>
> That's why cans of Coca Cola are getting smaller.
>
> Paul
>
>

:)
Even in base 2 you'll be rounding something
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 by: Carlos E.R. - Sun, 7 Jan 2024 20:27 UTC

On 2024-01-06 15:32, Arno Welzel wrote:
> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-05 18:31:
>
>> On 05.01.24 12:16, Arno Welzel wrote:
>>> Jörg Lorenz, 2024-01-04 22:17:
>>>
>>>> Am 04.01.24 um 22:09 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
>>>>> On 2024-01-04 13:11, Paul wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>>> But that device usually has a different name.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Hotspot" "Tethering"
>>>>>
>>>>> No. Mine (at a different location) is just "the router". Only the owner
>>>>> knows that the router has a SIM inside and that there is no cable to the
>>>>> house.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>
>>> Well - when using a Smartphone as a mobile hotspot it also acts as a router.
>>
>> No, it is only a gateway to the internet.
>
> Please explain the difference between a smartphone being used as a
> mobile hotspot and a mobile router with an LTE/5G module provide
> internet access via WiFi.
>
> Keep in mind, that a smartphone also allows multiple devices to use the
> hotspot at the same time.

For instance, the phone allows a very limited number of "clients",
something like 6 or 8. A router doesn't specify a limit.

Two computers communicating one to another with a phone in the middle,
will possibly run slower than when there is a proper router in the middle.

The router also accepts ethernet connections.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Arno Welzel - Tue, 9 Jan 2024 00:56 UTC

Carlos E.R., 2024-01-07 21:27:

> On 2024-01-06 15:32, Arno Welzel wrote:
[...]
>> Please explain the difference between a smartphone being used as a
>> mobile hotspot and a mobile router with an LTE/5G module provide
>> internet access via WiFi.
>>
>> Keep in mind, that a smartphone also allows multiple devices to use the
>> hotspot at the same time.
>
> For instance, the phone allows a very limited number of "clients",
> something like 6 or 8. A router doesn't specify a limit.

So what? Technically it is still works exactly the same way like a
router. And also typical NAT routers used for internet access *have* a
limit. You just don't hit that very easy depending on the device.

> Two computers communicating one to another with a phone in the middle,
> will possibly run slower than when there is a proper router in the middle.
>
> The router also accepts ethernet connections.

There are 4G/5G routers which don't have ethernet and only provide WiFi
for the clients. Wouldn't you call this "router" because of the missing
ethernet connection?

--
Arno Welzel
https://arnowelzel.de

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 by: Arno Welzel - Tue, 9 Jan 2024 00:58 UTC

Paul, 2024-01-07 17:41:

[...]
> I'm learning new things every day.
>
> Just today, I learned they changed Avogadros Number :-/
> It is no longer 6.02252 x 10^23 any more.

Welcome to the present. They started with that 2015, nearly more then 8
years ago.

> That's why cans of Coca Cola are getting smaller.

;-)

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https://arnowelzel.de

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