My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?

"John B. Smith" <crasso@verizon.net> wrote

| Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
| how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
| include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
| doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
| FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?

Try postimages.org. You can't send files on usenet. There's
no way to guess the problem from what you've said. And who
fills up 465GB?

On 2/1/2024 9:38 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
> "John B. Smith" <crasso@verizon.net> wrote
>
> | Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
> | how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
> | include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
> | doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
> | FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>
> Try postimages.org. You can't send files on usenet. There's
> no way to guess the problem from what you've said. And who
> fills up 465GB?
>
>

The images shows up on his second post, which is being
deleted from some servers. I use a server where filtering
is non-existent (ThaiSpam galore) and the server is read-only, and the
second post could be seen there with this MID.

<c2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna@4ax.com>

Howard truncates posts in the archive, so a complete image
can't be fetched from here. This is just to show that
an attempt was made.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cc2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna%404ax.com%3E

*******

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif

C: plus two others 1TB drive
I: 8TB external
D: 2TB \
(E:) (250GB FAT32) \___ card reader ???
F: 64GB USB? / very strange
G: 500GB USB? /

H:? Optical maybe?

This stuff should all show up. Barring conflicts with shares or something.

Paul

Newyana2 wrote:

> John B. Smith wrote:
>
>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig
>
> who fills up 465GB?

It's a gaming PC, if it's used for that, I gather modern games are
hundreds of GB each ...

Paul wrote:

> https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif

C: drive seems in two minds whether it's 465GB or 952GB, is Stacker
making a comeback?

"Paul" <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote

| The images shows up on his second post, which is being
| deleted from some servers.

Ah. I didn't know it was possible, though I knew there was
some kind of "dark web" usenet where people trade hot
software and various illegal things.

|
| C: plus two others 1TB drive
| I: 8TB external
| D: 2TB \
| (E:) (250GB FAT32) \___ card reader ???
| F: 64GB USB? / very strange
| G: 500GB USB? /
| | H:? Optical maybe?
| | This stuff should all show up. Barring conflicts with shares or something.
|

It looks like everything is showing up, but the numbers
don't match. Disk management shows a scrollbar with
things not visible. So... a full disk and 3 or 4 plugged in
drives? But it looks like at least one of those images is
not current. The name and size (250GB) of E drive doesn't
match anything in the system drives window. And C is
full in both cases but in the "2021" image in DM it's
500 GB while in Explorer it's 1 TB.

I'm guessing that "Lisa"
has no idea about any of this, can't part with any 24 MB
cat pictures, and just keeps plugging in storage and USB sticks.
Awhile back someone gave her a bigger drive, but she's filled
that up, too. Either way, the images don't seem to be from the
same time.... It looks like you have a project for today. :)

In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
>
> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>
> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
> include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?

Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?

She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
get enough space to install it.

Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
though you were in front of it.

--

Phil, London

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 23:17:17 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 2/1/2024 9:38 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>> "John B. Smith" <crasso@verizon.net> wrote
>>
>> | Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>> | how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>> | include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>> | doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>> | FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>>
>> Try postimages.org. You can't send files on usenet. There's
>> no way to guess the problem from what you've said. And who
>> fills up 465GB?
>>
>>
>
>The images shows up on his second post, which is being
>deleted from some servers. I use a server where filtering
>is non-existent (ThaiSpam galore) and the server is read-only, and the
>second post could be seen there with this MID.
>
> <c2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna@4ax.com>
>
>Howard truncates posts in the archive, so a complete image
>can't be fetched from here. This is just to show that
>an attempt was made.
>
>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cc2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna%404ax.com%3E
>
>*******
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif
>
>C: plus two others 1TB drive
>I: 8TB external
>D: 2TB \
>(E:) (250GB FAT32) \___ card reader ???
>F: 64GB USB? / very strange
>G: 500GB USB? /
>
>H:? Optical maybe?
>
>This stuff should all show up. Barring conflicts with shares or something.
>
> Paul

I just installed Win10 on 1-16-24. I seem to recall there was
something in FileExplorer around ThisPC that you had to 'unhide' to
get drives to show??? I'm in XP right now, will check later. Also
something in DeviceManager to Show Hidden Device when I was trying to
get my cd drives to show. Turns out I had to modify registry to get cd
writer to dependably show. A known problem uSoft chooses to ignore.

Interesting about the attachments I sent not showing. In giganews they
don't show either.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
<PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

>In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
>>
>> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>>
>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>> include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>
>Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
>
>She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
>She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
>get enough space to install it.
>
>Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
>it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
>you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
>She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
>approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
>though you were in front of it.

Interesting idea BUT
I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.

On 2/2/2024 3:36 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif
>
> C: drive seems in two minds whether it's 465GB or 952GB, is Stacker making a comeback?

Good catch.

I guess I should stop considering these pictures
were gathered on the same planet.

Paul

On 2/2/2024 9:26 AM, John B. Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 23:17:17 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 2/1/2024 9:38 PM, Newyana2 wrote:
>>> "John B. Smith" <crasso@verizon.net> wrote
>>>
>>> | Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>>> | how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>>> | include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>>> | doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>>> | FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>>>
>>> Try postimages.org. You can't send files on usenet. There's
>>> no way to guess the problem from what you've said. And who
>>> fills up 465GB?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> The images shows up on his second post, which is being
>> deleted from some servers. I use a server where filtering
>> is non-existent (ThaiSpam galore) and the server is read-only, and the
>> second post could be seen there with this MID.
>>
>> <c2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna@4ax.com>
>>
>> Howard truncates posts in the archive, so a complete image
>> can't be fetched from here. This is just to show that
>> an attempt was made.
>>
>> http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cc2lorihe93033vmjgtmb5ve593lqg7inna%404ax.com%3E
>>
>> *******
>>
>> [Picture]
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/Kvqpf7cd/John-B-Smith-two-disk-pictures-Feb-01-2024-2132.gif
>>
>> C: plus two others 1TB drive
>> I: 8TB external
>> D: 2TB \
>> (E:) (250GB FAT32) \___ card reader ???
>> F: 64GB USB? / very strange
>> G: 500GB USB? /
>>
>> H:? Optical maybe?
>>
>> This stuff should all show up. Barring conflicts with shares or something.
>>
>> Paul
>
> I just installed Win10 on 1-16-24. I seem to recall there was
> something in FileExplorer around ThisPC that you had to 'unhide' to
> get drives to show??? I'm in XP right now, will check later. Also
> something in DeviceManager to Show Hidden Device when I was trying to
> get my cd drives to show. Turns out I had to modify registry to get cd
> writer to dependably show. A known problem uSoft chooses to ignore.
>
> Interesting about the attachments I sent not showing. In giganews they
> don't show either.
>

Andy makes the point, that only in relativistic space, could the C: drive
have two different capacities (one picture shows 465GB C: and the other 952GB C: ).

Consequently I cannot consider this to be properly-captured data.

You could use one of the trial versions of AIDA64 Extreme (Home version) to
try to collect hardware info.

https://www.aida64.com/downloads

Alternately, the old Lavalys Everest might work. The only problem with
this, is the VEN:DEV detections are not current, so some devices will
not be identified in the usual way.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/everest_ultimate_edition_beta.html

*******

Windows has this:

pnputil /enum-devices /connected

But that hardly helps anyone, that output.

Detection info must be collected from multiple layers, like some WMI info,
and then you have to someone correlate one of the utility outputs, with
some other lines of stuff.

*******

Uwe has some freeware he offers. He used to drop into the WinXP group occasionally.

His TreeView utility, shows things connected to USB ports. This takes
the place of a utility that Microsoft used to offer, that was a rat bastard
to find (UVCView).

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbtreeview_e.html

A second utility, is DriveLetterManager, but this should not be offered to
anyone, until you are happy with the data collected and that the data is
a consistent set and more likely to be from the same computer. Henry and Lisa
could be two separate computers, even if some style details bear a bit of
a resemblance.

https://www.uwe-sieber.de/usbdlm_e.html

It almost looks like a USB card reader. When people present four drive letters
in sequence (or what smells like that), it can be a card reader. The capacities
shown stretch credulity for a card reader.

Someone recently bought a "1TB USB stick", it appears to be real and not
a fake, and it was less than $100. This is unfortunate, because now it means
we'll have even less way of knowing what the hell is going on. It's a USB
stick, which is the size of a USB stick, appears to have a bridged SSD inside it!
Which you would not think was physically possible (three chips, one chip would have
to be the size of an aircraft carrier).

I just don't have enough odds n' sods of USB stuff, to make a test setup
to see if Everest could cover enough details. The USB TreeView stands the
best chance of offering contrasting info, but only if the operator snapshots
it properly. Like Device Manager (devmgmt.msc) in right-click Start button,
the display only helps if the items are exposed properly by the operator.

So many of these utilities can be photographed improperly, which makes
commenting impossible.

Paul

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
><PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
>
>>In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
>>>
>>> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>>>
>>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>>> include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>>> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>>> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>>
>>Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
>>
>>She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
>>She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
>>get enough space to install it.
>>
>>Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
>>it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
>>you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
>>She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
>>approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
>>though you were in front of it.
>
>Interesting idea BUT
>I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
>don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
>She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
>very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
>know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.

I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
your magic Paul?
Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.

John B. Smith wrote:

[snip]
>
> I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
> your magic Paul?
> Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
> off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
> she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
> 22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
>

Please remind us of the exact error message.

--
Graham J

On 2/2/2024 9:42 AM, John B. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
> <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
>>>
>>> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>>>
>>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>>> include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>>> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>>> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>>
>> Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
>>
>> She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
>> She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
>> get enough space to install it.
>>
>> Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
>> it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
>> you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
>> She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
>> approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
>> though you were in front of it.
>
> Interesting idea BUT
> I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
> don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
> She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
> very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
> know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
>

The Amazon machine advertises Windows 11.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

It could look like this inside.

https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_03_front_zoom.jpg

Side view.

https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_02_front_zoom.jpg

Back view. A couple blue-tabbed USB for storage. The black-tabbed USB would be keyboard and mouse holes.

https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_04_front_zoom.jpg

The front comes off via tabs on the side. The motherboard has a
"snout" section on it, which brings the I/O forward to poke out
through the plastic. So when that plastic "thing" in front is
removed, the PCB with edge-connector USBs will still be sitting
affixed to the casing. It's hard to guess what the "bays" under
that plastic thing can carry. Maybe a ham sandwich ? Just a guess.

https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_01_front_zoom.jpg

That particular one comes in a box labeled "HP Certified Refurbished".

https://90a1c75758623581b3f8-5c119c3de181c9857fcb2784776b17ef.ssl.cf2.rackcdn.com/652259_432468_05_package_zoom.jpg

I can see the owner would be likely to be hanging storage off the
front plate of the machine. The physical details of the machine,
make it less likely a human "would ever go in there". The thing
is like a fucking jar of pickles. Shirely it has RGB lighting ???
I have a peg board in my workshop with more class than that.

One of the machines in that product line claimed to be a
gaming machine, and it had a 5300G in it. Um, OK. SIMS it is then.

It's the usual thing. There are a lot of computers with the same
physical packaging. Some have Intel processors. Some have AMD processors.
The processors tend to be 65W with aluminum coolers (no heat pipes,
limited VCore phases). Yes, it's a PC. It has a variety of video cards,
some of which are a joke. Really, seeing the box exterior, tells you
little, it's got a boot drive (as an NVMe), and the machine is unlikely
to use a lot of electricity at idle. You could easily get screwed
by paying too much for those "mystery grab bag" things. The person
who designed that casing can go back to Art Collage. What a mess.

This must be why the HP site refused to show pictures of it and had text instead.

*******

The "Computer Management" picture has a scroll bar. It needs to be
scrolled down to see the "unformatted device" hiding down there.

The other photo has got to be coming from a second computer. A computer
with more storage devices connected, but those storage devices are
also chock-a-block with movies.

So I would guess, their computer habits are to move USB storage
devices back and forth between machines, in a struggle to find
enough storage space for a movie collection. The USB storage
devices show an exponential pattern, as someone keeps buying
bigger and bigger "buckets" to ferry to the other computer.

It's also possible an SD is shoved into the "3-in-1" card reader.
And even if the price isn't right, they do make some pretty
large SD.

Virtually all of their storage purchases, would have come formatted.
Like, with ExFAT. And they should easily be detectable.

Paul

On 2024-02-02 03:32, John B. Smith wrote:
> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Note:

When you post amazon links, delete everything after the code that goes
after /dp/. It is tracking information of YOU.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/

>
> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
> include them as attachments (never tried that before)

No, attachments can't be done on Usenet.

Instead you have to upload to some sharing site and post the link.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2024-02-02 16:35, John B. Smith wrote:

> I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
> your magic Paul?

Attachments are "prohibited" here.

You have to upload the photos to a sharing site, and post here the link.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 10:35:42 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
>wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
>><PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
>>>>
>>>> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>>>>
>>>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>>>> include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>>>> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>>>> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>>>
>>>Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
>>>
>>>She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
>>>She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
>>>get enough space to install it.
>>>
>>>Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
>>>it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
>>>you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
>>>She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
>>>approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
>>>though you were in front of it.
>>
>>Interesting idea BUT
>>I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
>>don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
>>She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
>>very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
>>know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
>
>I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
>your magic Paul?
>Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
>off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
>she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
>22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.

Ok, let's see if I can make the postimages work
https://postimg.cc/V0vr2WVG/2c535577

<crasso@nycap.rr.com> wrote
| | Ok, let's see if I can make the postimages work
| https://postimg.cc/V0vr2WVG/2c535577

That only says that the disk is full. There's no image
of Explorer view of disks or of disk management. So
maybe it's just as it says, that the disk is simply full?

On 2/2/2024 10:35 AM, John B. Smith wrote:
> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
>> <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
>>>>
>>>> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>>>>
>>>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>>>> include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>>>> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>>>> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>>>
>>> Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
>>>
>>> She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
>>> She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
>>> get enough space to install it.
>>>
>>> Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
>>> it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
>>> you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
>>> She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
>>> approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
>>> though you were in front of it.
>>
>> Interesting idea BUT
>> I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
>> don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
>> She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
>> very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
>> know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
>
> I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
> your magic Paul?
> Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
> off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
> she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
> 22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
>

Neither this one, nor the previous post, have an attachment.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C2avpri5dd1jrk5eg1aiv5oh9q0l2k08jtu%404ax.com%3E

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C3l2qritkt4bci9src1ud674aai0sgqc9vv%404ax.com%3E

*******

Do Properties on D: , select the Tools tab from the Properties dialog,
then select "Check" button, to run a CHKDSK from the GUI.

And as the other posters point out, telling us what the error message
is, would help. On some occasions, it's a permissions problem caused
by the user having used a "limited" account without Administrator
to do an Implicit Takeown. If the account belongs to the Administrator
group, that's supposed to help. Administrator Timmy can open Tommys hard drive.

Some copy operations to the root of a drive, will not work.
For such situations, create a folder first, then drop the
file into the folder and it will work :-)

Note that, when creating a partition, it is possible to create
them in RAW mode. This allocates a "block" of space on the
disk certainly, but without a file system, drag and drop will fail.
You need to "format" a RAW partition, to use it.

Do not format a partition which has valuable content on it.

If data recovery is required, have a person with a calm demeanor
to help out and take your time. You cannot rush data recovery, and
must stop using a disk when it becomes apparent data recovery
or cloning, is needed. You cannot always clone damaged devices,
and sometimes "ddrescue" is required, and you lose a file every
time a CRC error hits in a file. You cannot fix CRC errors as they
are uncorrectable.

Paul

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:56:23 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

>On 2/2/2024 10:35 AM, John B. Smith wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
>>> <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
>>>>>
>>>>> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>>>>>
>>>>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>>>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>>>>> include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>>>>> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>>>>> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>>>>
>>>> Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
>>>>
>>>> She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
>>>> She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
>>>> get enough space to install it.
>>>>
>>>> Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
>>>> it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
>>>> you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
>>>> She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
>>>> approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
>>>> though you were in front of it.
>>>
>>> Interesting idea BUT
>>> I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
>>> don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
>>> She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
>>> very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
>>> know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
>>
>> I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
>> your magic Paul?
>> Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
>> off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
>> she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
>> 22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
>>
>
>Neither this one, nor the previous post, have an attachment.
>
>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C2avpri5dd1jrk5eg1aiv5oh9q0l2k08jtu%404ax.com%3E
>
>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C3l2qritkt4bci9src1ud674aai0sgqc9vv%404ax.com%3E
>
>*******
>
>Do Properties on D: , select the Tools tab from the Properties dialog,
>then select "Check" button, to run a CHKDSK from the GUI.
>
>And as the other posters point out, telling us what the error message
>is, would help. On some occasions, it's a permissions problem caused
>by the user having used a "limited" account without Administrator
>to do an Implicit Takeown. If the account belongs to the Administrator
>group, that's supposed to help. Administrator Timmy can open Tommys hard drive.
>
>Some copy operations to the root of a drive, will not work.
>For such situations, create a folder first, then drop the
>file into the folder and it will work :-)
>
>Note that, when creating a partition, it is possible to create
>them in RAW mode. This allocates a "block" of space on the
>disk certainly, but without a file system, drag and drop will fail.
>You need to "format" a RAW partition, to use it.
>
>Do not format a partition which has valuable content on it.
>
>If data recovery is required, have a person with a calm demeanor
>to help out and take your time. You cannot rush data recovery, and
>must stop using a disk when it becomes apparent data recovery
>or cloning, is needed. You cannot always clone damaged devices,
>and sometimes "ddrescue" is required, and you lose a file every
>time a CRC error hits in a file. You cannot fix CRC errors as they
>are uncorrectable.
>
> Paul

Hi again. I did get her attachment posted in postimages in the
'crasso' message this thread. I posted that booted into Win7. I
started the thread in XP. Forte Agent somehow got installed
differently in the two OS's. The last time I tried to monkey with
Win7's version to get them to post the same, it somehow got me kicked
out of Usenet for about a week. Right now I'm posting from within
Win10, for the first time, so who knows what I'll get.
Her error message, in case you can't see that postimage jpg, says
"there is not enough space on Windows. You need an additional 22 GB to
copy these files"
"Windows, space free 18.8 GB, total size 952 GB."
She said she's trying to copy a folder from C: to D:
I suggested she try copying something smaller. I can't explain why
"Windows" is 952 GB?? That sounds like the size of D:?

On 2024-02-02 20:48, Newyana2 wrote:
> <crasso@nycap.rr.com> wrote
> |
> | Ok, let's see if I can make the postimages work
> | https://postimg.cc/V0vr2WVG/2c535577
>
> That only says that the disk is full. There's no image
> of Explorer view of disks or of disk management. So
> maybe it's just as it says, that the disk is simply full?

But there is clearly a C and a D:

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2/2/2024 3:48 PM, John Smith wrote:

>
> Hi again. I did get her attachment posted in postimages in the
> 'crasso' message this thread. I posted that booted into Win7. I
> started the thread in XP. Forte Agent somehow got installed
> differently in the two OS's. The last time I tried to monkey with
> Win7's version to get them to post the same, it somehow got me kicked
> out of Usenet for about a week. Right now I'm posting from within
> Win10, for the first time, so who knows what I'll get.
> Her error message, in case you can't see that postimage jpg, says
> "there is not enough space on Windows. You need an additional 22 GB to
> copy these files"
> "Windows, space free 18.8 GB, total size 952 GB."
> She said she's trying to copy a folder from C: to D:
> I suggested she try copying something smaller. I can't explain why
> "Windows" is 952 GB?? That sounds like the size of D:?
>

For anyone who missed it, here is the picture.

[Picture] Error message on "copying"

https://postimg.cc/V0vr2WVG/2c535577

*******

And you can see why that is. This is why C: is causing a problem.

OneDrive ---> some folder on C: ---------> Final copy step to D:

It's the usual thing, idiotic programs use places like %temp%
instead of simply doing their writes to the destination. OneDrive
has its own temp folder.

The same can happen with browsers sometimes, you can start a download
where the C: drive is FAT32 and the D: drive is NTFS, and attempt to
"Save Link As" to D: and suddenly you're getting a message about
"file more than 4GB won't fit on C: ". Because C: is where the %temp%
is located.

OneDrive software has more than one temp location.
This is my guess, since I have a folder like this one. Mine is empty of course.

C:\OneDriveTemp\S-1-5-21-4080303085-989376780-587240787-1002

\---- A SID similar to how Recycle Bin ----/
keeps materials separated
User accounts start at 1000, Real Admin is 500.

Even I have that folder, but the SID is obviously different, and my folder is empty.

Apparently some of the users files are stored in a .vhdx file (a Hyper-V container),
but it's not clear whether copies remain on OneDrive server itself or not. You cannot
go on a "deletion spree", is what I'm saying, not in that folder. The owner of that
account, seems to be filling OneDrive with stuff :-) This is my not-surprised face,
after seeing the expanding universe on the local storage :-)

Now, I HOPE the OneDrive documentation is kind enough to explain where
all this crap storage is happening. How can we figure out what is safe
to do, without documentation ?

A genius here, has managed to put their OneDriveTemp on their E: drive.
This implies the folder is moveable to the root of other partitions.

https://filestore.community.support.microsoft.com/api/images/7dd10b6f-ec28-40a9-af7c-82e0b6853cac?upload=true

The F: drive letter in this picture, appears to be what happened when they
mounted the .vhdx file in the E:\OneDriveTemp. The F: icon has a lock symbol.
And... you guessed it, the owner can't get into F: .

https://filestore.community.support.microsoft.com/api/images/9e287c6b-1f64-49b8-a0a4-123689ab0458?upload=true

The VHDX file could be a "Personal Vault". It is Bitlocker encrypted.
If you have an MSA (which would have been needed for the OneDrive I would guess),
then logging into the MSA gives you access to the Recovery Key for
Bitlocker materials.

manage-bde.exe -status # check crypto state, no idea if the VHDX is tracked.

Examples of useful links for Bitlocker.

https://onedrive.com/recoverykey # requires MSA login
# good idea to store in your computer room
https://account.microsoft.com/devices/recoverykey

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/finding-your-bitlocker-recovery-key-in-windows-6b71ad27-0b89-ea08-f143-056f5ab347d6

https://support.lenovo.com/ca/en/solutions/ht506425-unexpected-bitlocker-recovery-screen-thinkpad-ideapad-ideacentre

Paul

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 19:00:46 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2024-02-02 03:32, John B. Smith wrote:
>> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>
>Note:
>
>When you post amazon links, delete everything after the code that goes
>after /dp/. It is tracking information of YOU.
>
>https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/
>
>>
>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>> include them as attachments (never tried that before)
>
>No, attachments can't be done on Usenet.
>
>Instead you have to upload to some sharing site and post the link.

You mean, of course, that binary attachments should be avoided in text groups
such as this one, not that attachments can't be done on Usenet. After all, about
99.9% of Usenet traffic is so-called attachments, so obviously they can be done.

In the old days, as you may well recall, the individual would post the
attachments to a binary group, then collect the MID(s) from those posts and
include them in his/her text post. Those MIDs can be double clicked to open the
attachment(s), almost exactly in the same way that web-based file hosting sites
operate today. I still prefer the old way, but I'm alone in that. I guess I
liked the fact that there was no advertising, no tracking, none of that, unlike
what we get these days.

On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 20:14:00 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
wrote:

>On 2024-02-02 16:35, John B. Smith wrote:
>
>> I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
>> your magic Paul?
>
>Attachments are "prohibited" here.
>
>You have to upload the photos to a sharing site, and post here the link.

My NSP allows attachments in this group. (Although I don't mean to encourage
that behavior.)

On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 15:48:03 -0500, John Smith <crasso@nycap.rr.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 14:56:23 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2/2/2024 10:35 AM, John B. Smith wrote:
>>> On Fri, 02 Feb 2024 09:42:09 -0500, John B. Smith <crasso@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 13:12:37 -0000, Philip Herlihy
>>>> <PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <4ekoriph5t5oi5qshi13pa9sntkce639f8@4ax.com>, John B. Smith wrote...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My niece, on the other coast from me, bought this pc off Amazon.
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09THKWSLK/?coliid=I342C77KN21XHP&colid=3GV1V3NEYRX9O&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Says she's run out of space on Windows, C: 465gig and can't figure out
>>>>>> how to use her drive D: She's sent me some pictures I'll try to
>>>>>> include them as attachments (never tried that before) That drive D
>>>>>> doesn't show up in Disc Management. The other pic, looks like from
>>>>>> FileExplorer shows bunches of drives, including D: What's going on?
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not use Quick Assist to have a look?
>>>>>
>>>>> She may need to install it from the Microsoft Store, but that's easy enough.
>>>>> She may need to weed junk files (drive properties, General, Disk Cleanup) to
>>>>> get enough space to install it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once installed, tell her to tap the Windows key and start typing QUICK ... and
>>>>> it'll appear as an option to be clicked. She "gets" help and you "give" it -
>>>>> you'll need to log on with a Microsoft Account to generate the necessary code.
>>>>> She has to "allow" your access. Then click "take control", and she has to
>>>>> approve/allow/ok that (whatever). Then you can fool around with her machine as
>>>>> though you were in front of it.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting idea BUT
>>>> I'm not allowing ANYONE to screw around on my machine, so I really
>>>> don't feel confident enough to poke around on hers long-distance.
>>>> She's really not a dummy like I have seemed to make her sound. She's
>>>> very bright, and mostly bed-ridden and not into hardware. "I don't
>>>> know what a drive bay is" she complained about my meanderings.
>>>
>>> I'm going to try to include another of her attachments, could you do
>>> your magic Paul?
>>> Apparently my tip to right click Start to get to DiscManagement paid
>>> off? Anyway she now see's drive D: When she attempts to copy into D:
>>> she gets that error message. I suggested she copy something less that
>>> 22gig at a chunk and see if it'll go.
>>>
>>
>>Neither this one, nor the previous post, have an attachment.
>>
>>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C2avpri5dd1jrk5eg1aiv5oh9q0l2k08jtu%404ax.com%3E
>>
>>http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3C3l2qritkt4bci9src1ud674aai0sgqc9vv%404ax.com%3E
>>
>>*******
>>
>>Do Properties on D: , select the Tools tab from the Properties dialog,
>>then select "Check" button, to run a CHKDSK from the GUI.
>>
>>And as the other posters point out, telling us what the error message
>>is, would help. On some occasions, it's a permissions problem caused
>>by the user having used a "limited" account without Administrator
>>to do an Implicit Takeown. If the account belongs to the Administrator
>>group, that's supposed to help. Administrator Timmy can open Tommys hard drive.
>>
>>Some copy operations to the root of a drive, will not work.
>>For such situations, create a folder first, then drop the
>>file into the folder and it will work :-)
>>
>>Note that, when creating a partition, it is possible to create
>>them in RAW mode. This allocates a "block" of space on the
>>disk certainly, but without a file system, drag and drop will fail.
>>You need to "format" a RAW partition, to use it.
>>
>>Do not format a partition which has valuable content on it.
>>
>>If data recovery is required, have a person with a calm demeanor
>>to help out and take your time. You cannot rush data recovery, and
>>must stop using a disk when it becomes apparent data recovery
>>or cloning, is needed. You cannot always clone damaged devices,
>>and sometimes "ddrescue" is required, and you lose a file every
>>time a CRC error hits in a file. You cannot fix CRC errors as they
>>are uncorrectable.
>>
>> Paul
>
>Hi again. I did get her attachment posted in postimages in the
>'crasso' message this thread. I posted that booted into Win7. I
>started the thread in XP. Forte Agent somehow got installed
>differently in the two OS's. The last time I tried to monkey with
>Win7's version to get them to post the same, it somehow got me kicked
>out of Usenet for about a week. Right now I'm posting from within
>Win10, for the first time, so who knows what I'll get.
>Her error message, in case you can't see that postimage jpg, says
>"there is not enough space on Windows. You need an additional 22 GB to
>copy these files"
>"Windows, space free 18.8 GB, total size 952 GB."
>She said she's trying to copy a folder from C: to D:
>I suggested she try copying something smaller. I can't explain why
>"Windows" is 952 GB?? That sounds like the size of D:?

Note that "Windows" is the volume name of her C: drive.

Looks like she accidentally tried to copy from C: to C:, (one folder on C: to a
different folder on C:), meaning there would have to be enough room on C: to
store a second copy. With 18GB free, there's not enough room to store a second
copy of a 22GB file on C:, but there's plenty of room on D:.

I disagree with what Paul suggested, regarding a temp space on C:. I've never
seen Windows work that way when it comes to file operations, to my best
recollection. He's probably thinking of how it sometimes works when you use a
browser to download a file from the web, but that doesn't apply here.

Just have her try again, this time being sure to select a destination on D:. And
yes, it can be the root of D:. That root restriction mentioned in another post
only applies to the volume where Windows is installed, which is C: in this case.