Is there any available add-on to do this? I notice that some people
regularly have <snipped> in their offerings, which suggests to me
software-snipped; at least when you compare them to my snippings, which
are crude, bad PR and leave me feeling guilty and antisocial.

Ed

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> Is there any available add-on to do this? I notice that some people
> regularly have <snipped> in their offerings, which suggests to me
> software-snipped; at least when you compare them to my snippings, which
> are crude, bad PR and leave me feeling guilty and antisocial.

I'm sure that most just use their editor, perhaps with some macro
or/and key-shorcut function.

I just use '[...]' in my editor (vim), J. P. Gilliver over in
alt.windows7.general uses '[]'.

Perhaps Betterbird can use something like Autohotkey (I hope I got the
name right) to generate the snipmarks.

Doing the actual snipping is a manual operation, but a good editor
makes that easy. I don't know if Betterbird can use another, custom,
editor other than the built-in 'composer'.

No snipmarks in *this* post! :-)

BTW, I commend you for your efforts! Especially this group could do
with better 'snippers'/snipping as there are many ridiculously long
responses without any snipping, often only adding relatively little new
text, sometimes even just one or two lines.

On 3/21/2024 12:50 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Is there any available add-on to do this? I notice that some people
> regularly have <snipped> in their offerings, which suggests to me
> software-snipped; at least when you compare them to my snippings, which
> are crude, bad PR and leave me feeling guilty and antisocial.
>
> Ed

Have you tried running your mouse over and highlighting the portion of a
post you wish to respond to? Doing so and hitting followup opens a
response with only the portion you have highlighted in it.

--
Stand With Israel!

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

> Is there any available add-on to do this? I notice that some people
> regularly have <snipped> in their offerings, which suggests to me
> software-snipped; ...

Not for me. *I* trim the quoted content to provide context for my
reply. Unless the parent article is short, not all of it is needed in a
reply. Trimming is part of netiquette, not a requirement. In fact,
quoting the parent article isn't even a requirement, just to provide
context for a reply rather than making someone go back to [re]read the
parent article. I've had some posters repeatedly whine about me not
quoting their entire article as though everything they say is gospel, so
I don't quote them at all in my reply to them.

Not sure how any software will know just what *you* consider relevant
for context in your reply. It's a rather personal choice what you keep,
and what you trim. For example, the part I trimmed was about your
feelings of your expertise or choices rather than about your inquiry.

When you snip, there should be some indication of it. I use ellipsis.
Some posters use brackets. Just try not to make a mess that is
difficult to follow.

Signatures from parent articles should never be included in replies.
Normally the client will snip the parent sig when composing a reply.

Ed,

> I notice that some people regularly have <snipped> in their offerings,
> which suggests to me software-snipped;

No, its all manually done. Its just way of the responder to say "I mean the
whole block, off of which I only quoted the first few lines".

> Is there any available add-on to do this?

Well, I could imagine that such an add-on could remove all but the first X
lines of what you quoted, but as you where already selecting what you wanted
to quote ... :-)

And maybe sometimes you really wanted that big quote (and sometimes its
needed).

> at least when you compare them to my snippings, which are crude, bad PR
> and leave me feeling guilty and antisocial

If you would *really* be a bad quoter than people would have told you by
now. If/as they have not ... well, it probably means you're not doing too
badly. :-)

You know what I dislike ? Those people who "quote" the whole previous
message just to add a line or two at the top or bottom. Blergh.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 3/21/2024 1:50 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> Is there any available add-on to ...

"He was quick on the draw, and it's high noon.
All that's left, is half a tune."

[Theme music from The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly"]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9EZGHcu3E8

Of course you edit the things manually.

The personal touch, in all things...

Paul

Frank Slootweg used his keyboard to write :
> I just use '[...]' in my editor (vim), J. P. Gilliver over in
> alt.windows7.general uses '[]'.

I trim manually, often inserting [agatino] when I remove several lines

ref. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agatino_Cuttone

Note that Cuttone is a mix of English (cut) and italian suffix (-one)
that stands for "big" :-)

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In article <uti25a$2d3q6$1@dont-email.me>, sticks wrote...
> Doing so and hitting followup opens a
> response with only the portion you have highlighted in it.
>
>

It works! (Gravity)

--

Phil, London

In article <MPG.40676e1e16c741b1989abd@news.eternal-september.org>, Philip
Herlihy wrote...
>
> In article <uti25a$2d3q6$1@dont-email.me>, sticks wrote...
> > Doing so and hitting followup opens a
> > response with only the portion you have highlighted in it.
> >
> >
>
> It works! (Gravity)

That was actually a rather inexpert bit of quoting. To clarify:

In my client (Gravity), if you select a passage and then hit "Follow Up" the
client quotes only what was highlighted. Which is neat!

--

Phil, London

In article <MPG.4067706fc401b541989abe@news.eternal-september.org>,
PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid says...
> In my client (Gravity), if you select a passage and then hit "Follow Up" the
> client quotes only what was highlighted. Which is neat!
>

So it does :o)

--
Jim the Geordie

In message <uti1k4.1s0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
<this@ddress.is.invalid> writes
<snip - manually added>
> BTW, I commend you for your efforts! Especially this group could do
>with better 'snippers'/snipping as there are many ridiculously long
>responses without any snipping, often only adding relatively little new
>text, sometimes even just one or two lines.

Hear, hear!
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:50:19 +0000, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
wrote:

>Is there any available add-on to do this? I notice that some people
>regularly have <snipped> in their offerings, which suggests to me
>software-snipped; at least when you compare them to my snippings, which
>are crude, bad PR and leave me feeling guilty and antisocial.

I do it with things called "fingers" that tap on something called a
"keyboard" assisted by a "mouse" and loads of layers of software.
It seems to work for me.

I've never seen an actual tool for the job.

I simply highlight the bits I'm removing from the reply I'm sending,
deleted them, add "<<snipped>>" in case the next reader didn't read
the original message and type on from there.

I thought that was how *everyone* did it?

J.

>
>Ed

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 16:14:14 +0000, John Hall
<john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <uti1k4.1s0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank Slootweg
><this@ddress.is.invalid> writes
><snip - manually added>
>> BTW, I commend you for your efforts! Especially this group could do
>>with better 'snippers'/snipping as there are many ridiculously long
>>responses without any snipping, often only adding relatively little new
>>text, sometimes even just one or two lines.

Then some eejit does the unimaginable and top-posts just to confuse
things a bit more.

>
>Hear, hear!

"Where ware?"

"They're there."

J.

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 10:40:21 -0000, Philip Herlihy
<PhillipHerlihy@SlashDevNull.invalid> wrote:

>In article <MPG.40676e1e16c741b1989abd@news.eternal-september.org>, Philip
>Herlihy wrote...
>>
>> In article <uti25a$2d3q6$1@dont-email.me>, sticks wrote...
>> > Doing so and hitting followup opens a
>> > response with only the portion you have highlighted in it.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> It works! (Gravity)
>
>That was actually a rather inexpert bit of quoting. To clarify:
>
>In my client (Gravity), if you select a passage and then hit "Follow Up" the
>client quotes only what was highlighted. Which is neat!

Agent does this, too.

J.

On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 21:36:38 +0100, "R.Wieser" <address@is.invalid>
wrote:

>Ed,
>
>> I notice that some people regularly have <snipped> in their offerings,
>> which suggests to me software-snipped;
>
>No, its all manually done. Its just way of the responder to say "I mean the
>whole block, off of which I only quoted the first few lines".
>
>> Is there any available add-on to do this?
>
>Well, I could imagine that such an add-on could remove all but the first X
>lines of what you quoted, but as you where already selecting what you wanted
>to quote ... :-)
>
>And maybe sometimes you really wanted that big quote (and sometimes its
>needed).
>
>> at least when you compare them to my snippings, which are crude, bad PR
>> and leave me feeling guilty and antisocial
>
>If you would *really* be a bad quoter than people would have told you by
>now. If/as they have not ... well, it probably means you're not doing too
>badly. :-)
>
>
>You know what I dislike ? Those people who "quote" the whole previous
>message just to add a line or two at the top or bottom. Blergh.

Yeah, buggers.
Almost as bad as top-posters.

J.

>
>Regards,
>Rudy Wieser
>

On 3/22/24 01:53 PM, John wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:50:19 +0000, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Is there any available add-on to do this? I notice that some people
>> regularly have <snipped> in their offerings, which suggests to me
>> software-snipped; at least when you compare them to my snippings, which
>> are crude, bad PR and leave me feeling guilty and antisocial.
>
> I do it with things called "fingers" that tap on something called a
> "keyboard" assisted by a "mouse" and loads of layers of software.
>
> It seems to work for me.
>
> I've never seen an actual tool for the job.
>
> I simply highlight the bits I'm removing from the reply I'm sending,
> deleted them, add "<<snipped>>" in case the next reader didn't read
> the original message and type on from there.
>
> I thought that was how *everyone* did it?
>
> J.
>
>>
>> Ed
Me too. I thought it was understood what <snip> meant.
--
Linux Mint 21.3 Cinnamon 6.0.4 Kernel 6.5.0-26-generic
Al

On Fri, 22 Mar 2024 14:56:23 -0400, Big Al <alan@invalid.com> wrote:

>On 3/22/24 01:53 PM, John wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Mar 2024 17:50:19 +0000, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any available add-on to do this? I notice that some people
>>> regularly have <snipped> in their offerings, which suggests to me
>>> software-snipped; at least when you compare them to my snippings, which
>>> are crude, bad PR and leave me feeling guilty and antisocial.
>>
>> I do it with things called "fingers" that tap on something called a
>> "keyboard" assisted by a "mouse" and loads of layers of software.
>>
>> It seems to work for me.
>>
>> I've never seen an actual tool for the job.
>>
>> I simply highlight the bits I'm removing from the reply I'm sending,
>> deleted them, add "<<snipped>>" in case the next reader didn't read
>> the original message and type on from there.
>>
>> I thought that was how *everyone* did it?
>>
>> J.
>>
>>>
>>> Ed
>Me too. I thought it was understood what <snip> meant.

Well, to be a little fair to non-UKlanders and other
non-English-speakers, "snip" can mean "to say something curtly, rudely
or nastily" or something like that.

It's the verb "snippy" comes from. Or maybe it's the other way
around. In English, either is possible.

There is also "snipe", which is somewhat different.
J.

On 3/22/24 05:40, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> In my client (Gravity), if you select a passage and then hit "Follow Up" the
> client quotes only what was highlighted. Which is neat!

It works in Thunderbird too, and can make responding to a particular
thing easier. You don't have to try to find the thing again among a
bunch of other stuff (replying to part of a long post).

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler."

[snip]

> You know what I dislike ? Those people who "quote" the whole previous
> message just to add a line or two at the top or bottom. Blergh.
>
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser

Yes. Its worse when they put those lines at the bottom. Then you have to
scroll through multiple screens of stuff you've already read to find out
if there's ANYTHING new in this post.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler."

[snip]

> Almost as bad as top-posters.

I don't top-post, although I do see much worse. Especially posting at
the bottom of a really long quote you failed to snip.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler."

Mark,

> Yes. Its worse when they put those lines at the bottom. Then you have to
> scroll through multiple screens of stuff you've already read to find out
> if there's ANYTHING new in this post.

Yup. :-(

When I tried to explain that to a bottom poster he could not see the
problem. So, his (at first glance) "duplicate of the previous" posts got
ignored. :-)

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Mark,

>> Almost as bad as top-posters.
>
> I don't top-post, although I do see much worse. Especially posting
> at the bottom of a really long quote you failed to snip.

Worse, it wasn't /quite/ at the bottom. He left my sign-off dangling below
it. You need a special kind of determination for that.

.... and as such I assumed he just wanted to joke around.

Though I recently saw someone put his two sentences of reply smack in the
middle of the whole post.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

John,

>>Me too. I thought it was understood what <snip> meant.
>
> Well, to be a little fair to non-UKlanders and other
> non-English-speakers, "snip" can mean "to say something curtly,
> rudely or nastily" or something like that.

I know "to snip" from garden work. Where its used in a quite similar
fashion: to remove unwanted parts.

And the veterinarian usage, where the male dogs "get snipped" (vasectomy).

And now I think of it, I'm certain I've heard the same in connection to
human males ...

FYI, I'm not an UK-ian either. <whistle>

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 23/03/2024 07:12, R.Wieser wrote:
> Though I recently saw someone put his two sentences of reply smack in the
> middle of the whole post.

Which I sometimes do to reply to a specific point.
However I always try to put a line space above & below so it shows more
easily.

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Regards
wasbit

On 21/03/2024 19:35, sticks wrote:
> Have you tried running your mouse over and highlighting the portion of a
> post you wish to respond to?  Doing so and hitting followup opens a
> response with only the portion you have highlighted in it.

Thanks. Nice tip.

--
Regards
wasbit