Wouldn't it be cool if, just once, someone who said "That's communism"
know what the hell communism was?

--
~rdh

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:01:12 -0500
rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

> Wouldn't it be cool if, just once, someone who said "That's
> communism" know what the hell communism was?

Is communism what communists claim it to be? Or is communism defined by
what we have experienced and witnessed it to be? What communists claim,
and then what communists do, are polar opposites. All of history is
laid before us proving this--that communism is pretty drapes on slavery.

The people who define communism contrary to how communists define it,
are defining communism based on their experience of communism in action
rather than the claims of communist ideologues. "Your actions speak so
loudly that I can not hear what you are saying."

It's like religious cult leaders and Roman inquisitors who ran around
shouting about the love of Jesus while mass-murdering anyone who they
consider "unloving." Is Roman Catholicism defined by what the Roman
Catholics say it is, or is it defined by the trail of bloodstained
countries and millions of mutilated and immolated bodies they left
behind?

If we look at actual historical experience, communism is defined quite
differently from its actions and produce, than how its apparatchiks
define it in word. Communism in deed, is very differently defined from
communism in word.

In fine, communism was a new label slapped on ancient Roman
imperialism. Marx did not have any new ideas. He just re-packaged the
hermetecism of the ancient nobility to help it compete against the
rising ideas of liberty born from the American revolution. The two
world wars were instigated to reverse what Americanism had done for
human progress and secure power to the same old black nobility as
before.

Now the communists are devouring America from inside her guts.

On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:01:12 -0500
rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:

> Wouldn't it be cool if, just once, someone who said "That's communism"
> know what the hell communism was?

Would that be Communism as defined by Marx or communism as was
practised in kibbutzim ?

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pinky <pinky@brain.example> writes:
>On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:01:12 -0500
>rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
>
>> Wouldn't it be cool if, just once, someone who said "That's
>> communism" know what the hell communism was?
>
>Is communism what communists claim it to be? Or is communism defined by
>what we have experienced and witnessed it to be?

Clearly the former. One author once wrote that Russia was communist
for only about 30 days in 1917.

On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:42:40 +0100
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:01:12 -0500
> rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't it be cool if, just once, someone who said "That's
> > communism" know what the hell communism was?
>
> Would that be Communism as defined by Marx or communism as was
> practised in kibbutzim ?

communism := transarchy

transarchy := rapist pedo thieves owning all property and humans

:= basically the way the world was ruled from 3500 B.C. onward until
the American revolution.

Interestingly Richard Stallman is a long-time apologist for pedophilia.
Is this mere coincidence?

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms
children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases
which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are
horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing." [RMS]

This abhorrent statement is proof of extreme mental derangement.
Minimizing child rape, and insulting a parent for being outraged over
their child being raped by a predator, is the sign of a very sick mind.

I knew how wrong pedophilia was by the time I was ten years old. No
middle-aged man can claim ignorance of such predatory behavior being
harmful to youths. It would be like claiming you didn't know that
murdering someone was really harmful to them and their family.

But this is how communists think. Modern communists think it is just
dandy and "gender-affirming" to castrate pre-pubescent boys. This
"gender-affirming" "care" is a vicious and violent crime against
humanity. As with the pinko monsters of a century past, every monstrous
crime of the modern communist is dressed up in Orwellian newspeak.

Cutting a boy's dick off is no longer criminal mutilation. It is "care"
that is "gender-affirming." You have to be sick to believe and agree
with such criminal insanity.

Moral degenerates gravitate toward communist ideology because of the
promise of "equality" which means free reign to rape and plunder
without resistance from the victims.

On 2023-08-31, pinky <pinky@brain.example> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Aug 2023 14:42:40 +0100
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 30 Aug 2023 16:01:12 -0500
>> rdh <rdh@tilde.institute> wrote:
>>
>> > Wouldn't it be cool if, just once, someone who said "That's
>> > communism" know what the hell communism was?
>>
>> Would that be Communism as defined by Marx or communism as was
>> practised in kibbutzim ?
>
> communism := transarchy
>
> transarchy := rapist pedo thieves owning all property and humans
>
>:= basically the way the world was ruled from 3500 B.C. onward until
> the American revolution.
>
> Interestingly Richard Stallman is a long-time apologist for pedophilia.
> Is this mere coincidence?
>
> "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms
> children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases
> which aren't voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are
> horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing." [RMS]
>
> This abhorrent statement is proof of extreme mental derangement.
> Minimizing child rape, and insulting a parent for being outraged over
> their child being raped by a predator, is the sign of a very sick mind.
>
> I knew how wrong pedophilia was by the time I was ten years old. No
> middle-aged man can claim ignorance of such predatory behavior being
> harmful to youths. It would be like claiming you didn't know that
> murdering someone was really harmful to them and their family.
>
> But this is how communists think. Modern communists think it is just
> dandy and "gender-affirming" to castrate pre-pubescent boys. This
> "gender-affirming" "care" is a vicious and violent crime against
> humanity. As with the pinko monsters of a century past, every monstrous
> crime of the modern communist is dressed up in Orwellian newspeak.
>
> Cutting a boy's dick off is no longer criminal mutilation. It is "care"
> that is "gender-affirming." You have to be sick to believe and agree
> with such criminal insanity.
>
> Moral degenerates gravitate toward communist ideology because of the
> promise of "equality" which means free reign to rape and plunder
> without resistance from the victims.
>
>
>
>

This is a troll; ignore

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On 31/08/2023 17:36, Scott Lurndal wrote:

>>
>> Is communism what communists claim it to be? Or is communism defined by
>> what we have experienced and witnessed it to be?
>
> Clearly the former. One author once wrote that Russia was communist
> for only about 30 days in 1917.

Which is very - how shall I say - curious, since laws that nationalized
the means of production were only passed in 1918.

Certainly doesn't add to the credibility of the author.

On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 11:47:36 +0300
Ilya Dubinsky <dubinsky.ilya@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 31/08/2023 17:36, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Is communism what communists claim it to be? Or is communism
> >> defined by what we have experienced and witnessed it to be?
> >
> > Clearly the former. One author once wrote that Russia was communist
> > for only about 30 days in 1917.

Statements like this are how the pinko tards in our midst try to
justify communism, an ideology that killed roughly 160 million people
in the last century.
> Which is very - how shall I say - curious, since laws that
> nationalized the means of production were only passed in 1918.
>
> Certainly doesn't add to the credibility of the author.

Communism never had any credibility. Whatever name you call it, whether
woke, or social justice, or equity, or anti-racism, it is the same
ideology of mass murdering Christians and establishing a feudal system
with the party as the aristocracy, ruled by a bunch of kabbalist
perverts. That is all communism ever was or will be until we finally
stamp it out.

Nazism was a sister ideology to communism, from the Roman school, using
the same kabbalist formulas as Marx, but based around declarations of
racial justice instead of economic justice. Under the hood both worked
the same way, and the main target of both movements was the elimination
of independent Christians.

It's called a ruse. If you want to mass-murder Christians, call them
kulaks or call them Jews. Then kill some real kulaks and real Jews in
the mix so people don't realize your aims. Meanwhile kill ten or twenty
Christians for each Jew or Kulak you murder--Christians by the tens of
millions. Later make up a story about how Jews were the main
target (they weren't). That was the ruse. Many times more Christians
were killed by the Nazis and Communists as were Jews. They thought so
little of the Jews that they used them as a convenient scapegoat and
smokescreen, depending on which propaganda outlet you consult. The
Zionists fell for the trap, and even to this day talk constantly about
the holocaust of six million while never saying a word about the 114
million Christians and 40+ million Asians (many also Christian) mass
murdered at the same time period.

Western dolts need to get their heads unstuck from their rectums and
see what has really been behind all the evil in the world.

On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 05:36:50 -0700, Communism is Feudalism
<communism@example.invalid> wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 11:47:36 +0300
>Ilya Dubinsky <dubinsky.ilya@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 31/08/2023 17:36, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>
>> >>
>> >> Is communism what communists claim it to be? Or is communism
>> >> defined by what we have experienced and witnessed it to be?
>> >
>> > Clearly the former. One author once wrote that Russia was communist
>> > for only about 30 days in 1917.
>
>Statements like this are how the pinko tards in our midst try to
>justify communism, an ideology that killed roughly 160 million people
>in the last century.

So did nazism.
>> Which is very - how shall I say - curious, since laws that
>> nationalized the means of production were only passed in 1918.
>>
>> Certainly doesn't add to the credibility of the author.
>
>Communism never had any credibility. Whatever name you call it, whether
>woke, or social justice, or equity, or anti-racism, it is the same
>ideology of mass murdering Christians and establishing a feudal system
>with the party as the aristocracy, ruled by a bunch of kabbalist
>perverts. That is all communism ever was or will be until we finally
>stamp it out.

You are a troll. Woke means recognize that racism and slavery existed.

>Western dolts need to get their heads unstuck from their rectums and
>see what has really been behind all the evil in the world.

Your lies don't help.
--
Jim

"This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
more than noise and friction to the open source community."

Citadel: a storied history
https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html

TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.

On 2023-02-15, Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
> Citadel: a storied history
> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>
> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.
>

I would disagree. He is a non-group thinker.

--
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where is our money gone, Dude?

On 2/15/23 05:34, maus wrote:
> On 2023-02-15, Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
>> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
>> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
>> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
>> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>>
>> Citadel: a storied history
>> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>>
>> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.
>>
>
> I would disagree. He is a non-group thinker.

He tells us what he thinks about. Richard Stallman Quotes:

"I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren't
voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the
idea that their little baby is maturing."

"There is little evidence to justify the widespread assumption that
willing participation in pedophilia hurts children. Granted, children
may not dare say no to an older relative, or may not realize they could
say no; in that case, even if they do not overtly object, the
relationship may still feel imposed to them. That's not willing
participation, it's imposed participation, a different issue."

"Prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child
pornography, and even incest and pedophilia ... should be legal as long
as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and
narrowmindedness."

"I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female
apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they
want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?"

"Many years ago I posted that I could not see anything wrong about sex
between an adult and a child, if the child accepted it," Stallman wrote.
"Through personal conversations in recent years, I've learned to
understand how sex with a child can harm per psychologically. This
changed my mind about the matter: I think adults should not do that. I
am grateful for the conversations that enabled me to understand why."

Oh So Gross! <oh@so.gross> wrote:

>
> "I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female
> apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they
> want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?"
>

And this, children, is where mermaids come from.

Stallman has made real, significant contributions, including
re-invigorating the idea of open source for the post-unbundling era, but
he’s much too full of himself, and has failed to realize that things have
moved on.

--
Pete

On 2023-02-15, Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."

Loving the ad hominem and false dichotomy here. If you aren't with us,
you're against us.

On 2023-02-15, Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Oh So Gross! <oh@so.gross> wrote:
>
>>
>> "I've read that male dolphins try to have sex with humans, and female
>> apes solicit sex from humans. What is wrong with giving them what they
>> want, if that's what turns you on, or even just to gratify them?"
>>
>
> And this, children, is where mermaids come from.
>
> Stallman has made real, significant contributions, including
> re-invigorating the idea of open source for the post-unbundling era, but
> he’s much too full of himself, and has failed to realize that things have
> moved on.
>

I believe that there are recordings of him singing!. I am a vim person myself.

--
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where is our money gone, Dude?

On 2/15/23 06:25, Citadel BBS History wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
​When you use the term "communist" against someone derogatorily, do you
use it with the literal definition term in mind, or do you use it as a
generic insult, regardless of its literal definition?
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According to Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
>> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
>> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
>​When you use the term "communist" against someone derogatorily, do you
>use it with the literal definition term in mind, or do you use it as a
>generic insult, regardless of its literal definition?

Stallman is the guy behind the Gnu Public License, which is intended
to force software to be freely sharable rather than sold so in that
sense I suppose you might argue that he's opposed to private property.
But as far as I know, that's just about software. As anyone familiar
with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.

So in this case I think it's "communist" in the sense of "poopyhead".
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On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:
> As anyone familiar
> with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
> copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
> just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.

Back in those days there was no portable software.

IAC software was just a way to help sell the hardware.

Andy

On 2023-02-16, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com>:
>>> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
>>> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>>
>>???When you use the term "communist" against someone derogatorily, do you
>>use it with the literal definition term in mind, or do you use it as a
>>generic insult, regardless of its literal definition?
>
> Stallman is the guy behind the Gnu Public License, which is intended
> to force software to be freely sharable rather than sold ...

Not quite. You can sell it. From the GPL 2, second paragraph ...

"When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not
price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you
have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for
this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it
if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it
in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things."

> .... so in that
> sense I suppose you might argue that he's opposed to private property.
> But as far as I know, that's just about software. As anyone familiar
> with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
> copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
> just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
> So in this case I think it's "communist" in the sense of "poopyhead".

According to Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>:
>On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:
>> As anyone familiar
>> with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
>> copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business did
>> just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
>
>Back in those days there was no portable software.

Um, the entire point of COBOL was to be portable, and people were
certainly moving Fortran programs from one kind of machine to another
by 1960. You might want to brush up on your history.

Hint: the CO stands for COmmon.

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Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

On 2023-02-15, Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
> Citadel: a storied history
> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>
> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.
>

Eh, GuixSD it's far more revolutionary than these old-fashioned dickheads.
And Emacs interface for the blind, Emacspeak, it's far ahead of everything.

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC-7, Oh So Gross! quoted, in part:

> "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.

Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
pedophilia.

Presumably, the most charitable explanation of what has prompted
him to make a remark likely to get him tarred and feathered would be
an autism spectrum disorder.

John Savard

On 2023-02-16, John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:

> According to Vir Campestris <vir.campestris@invalid.invalid>:
>
>> On 16/02/2023 02:33, John Levine wrote:
>>
>>> As anyone familiar
>>> with the history of computing knows, nobody even attempted to
>>> copyright software until the mid 1960s, and the computer business
>>> did just fine in the 1940s, 50s, and 60s.
>>
>> Back in those days there was no portable software.
>
> Um, the entire point of COBOL was to be portable, and people were
> certainly moving Fortran programs from one kind of machine to another
> by 1960. You might want to brush up on your history.
>
> Hint: the CO stands for COmmon.

Still, as with everything else, IBM did its best to add proprietary
extensions to lock people in. (Yes, that's one more "innovation"
that Microsoft didn't invent.) But if you were careful you could
write in a fairly portable dialect.

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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 16:57:13 -0800 (PST)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC-7, Oh So Gross! quoted,
> in part:
>
> > "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms
> > children.
>
> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
> pedophilia.

Quite so - and the equally (perhaps more) serious problem of
grooming which looks like voluntary until you see the persuasion.

> Presumably, the most charitable explanation of what has prompted
> him to make a remark likely to get him tarred and feathered would be
> an autism spectrum disorder.

Perhaps - or maybe he was thinking of the fairly common edge case
of the slightly underage horny teenager who doesn't care to wait for the
law. Depending on the legal age the window for that can be quite wide.

I recall trying to be that teenager from the age of 14, and I doubt
that success would have harmed me. As it was at 16 I was legal in the
jurisdiction I grew up in but in the one I currently live in my partner (a
few months older and just 17) could have been in trouble. In some
jurisdictions we would both still have been underage. As it is there's a
certain Meatloaf lyric that always triggers happy memories.

One teenage friend of mine at 16 went and snagged herself a 30 year
old boyfriend quite deliberately - I actually heard her say something
like "I fancy him" and watched her go off with seduction in mind to return
with him in tow, They lasted about six months. That was legal there and
then, in many places it would have been the unicorn you mention.

One of the more ridiculous legal errors in this area in some
jurisdictions is not providing an exception for the case when *both* parties
are underage or nearly so. There's a case where two 15 year olds got
themselves on the sex offenders register by being caught kissing!

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:23:02 AM UTC-7, Citadel BBS History wrote:
> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>
> Citadel: a storied history
> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>
> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.

Well, I have good news for those who are anti-Communist!

https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/13/chimera_non_gnu_linux/

It hasn't reached beta yet, even, but a version of Linux is making progress
that is compiled with LLVM instead of GCC, and which uses stuff from
BSD in order to make itself completely GNU-free!

John Savard