Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:

> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC-7, Oh So Gross! quoted, in part:
>
>> "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
>
> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
> pedophilia.

Just so. We have an understanding that children aren't knowledgeable
enough to make life-altering decisions for themselves. Age thresholds
for drinking, driving, marriage, statutory rape, and consensual sexual
relations inter alia are justifiable but essentially arbitrary. The
current political mare's nest over whether a boy or girl can
legitimately consent to life-altering pharmaceuticals or other
treatment to become, respectively, a girl or boy has the same
intrinsic problem.

At what age can consent for a life-altering action be regarded as
legitimate?

There's a good movie -- I forget the title -- about a girl of perhaps
13 or 14 who arranges with a scumbag to have her father killed because
he won't let her get a tattoo. The desired small tattoo would likely
do her no harm. OTOH, the father was reasonable in his judgment that
she was too young to make such a decision, evinced by her immature
judgment that she could have him whacked.

> Presumably, the most charitable explanation of what has prompted
> him to make a remark likely to get him tarred and feathered would be
> an autism spectrum disorder.

Good inference.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 6:56:29 AM UTC-7, Oh So Gross! quoted, in part:
>
>> "I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children.
>
> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
> pedophilia.
>
> Presumably, the most charitable explanation of what has prompted
> him to make a remark likely to get him tarred and feathered would be
> an autism spectrum disorder.
>
> John Savard

he's a hard man to understand, but most people are.

--
greymausg@mail.com
where is our money gone, Dude?

On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 4:23:02 AM UTC-7, Citadel BBS History wrote:
>> "This document makes reference to the terms "Linux" and "open source"
>> without hesitation. Our official position is that the phrase "GNU/Linux"
>> is only used by communists like Richard Stallman who contribute little
>> more than noise and friction to the open source community."
>>
>> Citadel: a storied history
>> https://www.citadel.org/citadel_past_present_and_future.html
>>
>> TLDR; Richard Stallman is a dishwatery pinko commie neanderthal.
>
> Well, I have good news for those who are anti-Communist!
>
> https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/13/chimera_non_gnu_linux/
>
> It hasn't reached beta yet, even, but a version of Linux is making progress
> that is compiled with LLVM instead of GCC, and which uses stuff from
> BSD in order to make itself completely GNU-free!

The Linux kernel is still licensed under the GNU GPLv2, though, so you
aren't completely getting away from the "communism". You'd better just
run a BSD.

https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/v5.0/process/license-rules.html

Niklas
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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
> pedophilia.

I was told that legally speaking, pedophilia is attraction to
children. Adults who have this condition tend to be survivors of
child abuse. The attraction isn't illegal. Acting on it is.

I'd think that people who like to mince words and legalities would use
more nuance. Especially considering all the "Curb stomp your local
pedophile" bumper stickers and t-shirts i've been seeing.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with this. There are
multiple non-GNU Linuxes available. I don't see what communism has to
do with this. (Also, i wouldn't consider building a software with GCC
to automatically make that software GNU software.)
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have shit in Thunderbird 😩

On 2/17/23 03:39, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> The Linux kernel is still licensed under the GNU GPLv2, though, […]
I don't think it makes sense to consider something GNU software just
because it's licensed under a GNU-made license. Separate the art from
the artist and all that.
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have shit in Thunderbird 😩

In article <tsifaj$2o79$1@news.cyber23.de>,
Citadel BBS History <citadel@bbs.history> wrote:
>[snip drivel]
> "Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene"?

I'm no Stallman fan, but... Who cares what the
"BBS Scene" thinks of him?

- Dan C.

On 2023-02-17, Blue-Maned_Hawk <bluemanedhawk@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 2/17/23 03:39, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>> The Linux kernel is still licensed under the GNU GPLv2, though, […]
>
> I don't think it makes sense to consider something GNU software just
> because it's licensed under a GNU-made license. Separate the art from
> the artist and all that.

Oh, it isn't GNU software. I didn't say it was.

But if you want away from GNU because it's "communist" then surely the
GPL is a core part of that? As opposed to the more moderate approach
taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say. So I'd think you'd want to get
away from other GPLed software as well.

(I am not personally opposed to the GPL, but I could in a way understand
such a perspective.)

Niklas
--
"In my experience, the QA folks now how the system/application is supposed to
work. The programmers only know how the code is supposed to run."
-- Pygar

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> As opposed to the more moderate approach
> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.

Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.

John Savard

On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 13:03:42 -0800 (PST)
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.

I suspect Microsoft Windows would be even more buggy if it weren't
for the BSD code in it. At a different level I doubt Isilon's OneFS would
have existed without a BSD licensed OS to build it on top of.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 2/17/23 09:30, Ben Collver wrote:
> On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
>> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
>> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
>> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
>> pedophilia.
>
> I was told that legally speaking, pedophilia is attraction to
> children. Adults who have this condition tend to be survivors of
> child abuse. The attraction isn't illegal. Acting on it is.
>
> I'd think that people who like to mince words and legalities would use
> more nuance. Especially considering all the "Curb stomp your local
> pedophile" bumper stickers and t-shirts i've been seeing.

I was sexually abused and assaulted as a child. The thought of raping
someone or having sex with a child never occurred to me. Never have I
looked at a young person and thought, "Gee, I'd like to ram my throbbing
cock up into that."

Then I read Richard Stallman's thoughts. If I could meet him in person I
would like to give him some sex education. I hope he has a fist fetish.

When I was a teenager a girl younger than me lied to me about her age.
They lie about their age for one reason, and one reason only: cock trap,
which usually amounts to a pregnancy trap, and eventually getting
charged with the crime of "assault with a friendly weapon."

Thinking she was seventeen and not fifteen, I had kissed her while out
around town with her. Something felt very wrong and off. I started
noticing really immature behavior. Eventually I got her to admit her
real age to me. After I figured out that she lied to me about her age,
and she admitted it, I was furious! I told her to fuck off and I never
spoke to her again. The thought of getting up in her grundle never
crossed my mind, even though she was trolling for my dick.

Once when I was nineteen a fifteen-year-old community cat slut tried to
seduce me while I was working on a project with her brother. I was
viscerally repulsed by her advances and pushed her away from me. I asked
her, what would your dad think about your behavior? This ENRAGED her.

She was only fifteen and was already a female sexual predator. Her dad
was a Democrat bureaucrat working in a government agency. He could have
cared less. I learned this young whore had been greedily fucking several
older men around town. A woman who isn't sick would be angry about such
men preying after her. She went preying upon them. Yuk!

There is no excuse for sexually abusing children. I don't care how much
you were raped as a youth. If you rape a child, you should die. Our
society should put groomers, rapists and kid fuckers to death as soon as
possible. There was a time we did this, and it was usually done
extra-judicially. We buried pederasts alive in swamps in wicker cages.
Zero tolerance! This would cure most of the trauma-based mind control
that the government uses to rule over the masses. The Catholic Church
would collapse like a dodo bird, so people would be free from the
religious trauma brainwashing as well.

Anyone who defends a piece of bourgeois garbage like Richard Stallman is
a sub-human stain with no spine. The sick fucker made comments in
defense of child rape and grooming. That's not something that happens by
accident.

I'm all for curb-stomping every entitled bourgeois and illuminist poop
stain that either preys on children, or enables such sickness to
continue. Kill them all and let God sort 'em out.

If you molest my kids, you will be getting killed. I would not report
the rape to the police until after I get the pervert's confession and
execution on video tape. Then I would turn myself and the tape in to the
police in open court and dare them to charge me for killing the bastard.

Death to chomos, rapos, and kid fuckers is the only way to go.

On 2023-02-22, Dan Crawford <crawdad1967@outlook.com> wrote:

> [A bunch of angry stuff.]

I assume that you are human and not some chat bot. You assume that
you would know when your kids were molested. If you walked around
like an angry time bomb apt to go off uncontrollably, they likely
wouldn't feel safe to tell you anything. I don't know whether this
is helpful but you should know that you are not alone.

On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>
> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.

I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
Niklas
--
One developer I worked with pronounced SQL as "squirrel" and PL/SQL as
"peeled squirrel". This was the guy with several squirrel skulls on the
top of his monitor. I inherited those when he was fired for punching
someone fairly senior in management. -- John Burnham

On 2023-02-22, Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>
>>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>
>> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
>
> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.

As an idealist trying to get by in the Real World, my compromise
is to try to minimize my contact with Evil Monopolies (Microsoft,
Google, etc.) while recognizing that I'll never be 100% successful.
I set a high priority on giving those bastards as little as possible
that might benefit them.

https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html

> One developer I worked with pronounced SQL as "squirrel" and PL/SQL as
> "peeled squirrel". This was the guy with several squirrel skulls on the
> top of his monitor. I inherited those when he was fired for punching
> someone fairly senior in management. -- John Burnham

I've always pronounced SQL as "squeal", which allows me
to impart sufficient violence to things like SQL*Forms
(pronounced "squeal splat forms").

--
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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

Dan Crawford <crawdad1967@outlook.com> wrote:
> On 2/17/23 09:30, Ben Collver wrote:
>> On 2023-02-17, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>> Even if there is some truth to that position in the _abstract_, in the
>>> real world, this is a non-issue because legalizing this imaginary
>>> unicorn of voluntary pedophilia would only make it harder to convict
>>> those who are guilty of the _real_ serious problem of involuntary
>>> pedophilia.
>>
>> I was told that legally speaking, pedophilia is attraction to
>> children. Adults who have this condition tend to be survivors of
>> child abuse. The attraction isn't illegal. Acting on it is.
>>
>> I'd think that people who like to mince words and legalities would use
>> more nuance. Especially considering all the "Curb stomp your local
>> pedophile" bumper stickers and t-shirts i've been seeing.
>
> I was sexually abused and assaulted as a child. The thought of raping
> someone or having sex with a child never occurred to me. Never have I
> looked at a young person and thought, "Gee, I'd like to ram my throbbing
> cock up into that."
>
> Then I read Richard Stallman's thoughts. If I could meet him in person I
> would like to give him some sex education. I hope he has a fist fetish.
>
> When I was a teenager a girl younger than me lied to me about her age.
> They lie about their age for one reason, and one reason only: cock trap,
> which usually amounts to a pregnancy trap, and eventually getting
> charged with the crime of "assault with a friendly weapon."
>
> Thinking she was seventeen and not fifteen, I had kissed her while out
> around town with her. Something felt very wrong and off. I started
> noticing really immature behavior. Eventually I got her to admit her
> real age to me. After I figured out that she lied to me about her age,
> and she admitted it, I was furious! I told her to fuck off and I never
> spoke to her again. The thought of getting up in her grundle never
> crossed my mind, even though she was trolling for my dick.
>
> Once when I was nineteen a fifteen-year-old community cat slut tried to
> seduce me while I was working on a project with her brother. I was
> viscerally repulsed by her advances and pushed her away from me. I asked
> her, what would your dad think about your behavior? This ENRAGED her.
>
> She was only fifteen and was already a female sexual predator. Her dad
> was a Democrat bureaucrat working in a government agency. He could have
> cared less. I learned this young whore had been greedily fucking several
> older men around town. A woman who isn't sick would be angry about such
> men preying after her. She went preying upon them. Yuk!
>
> There is no excuse for sexually abusing children. I don't care how much
> you were raped as a youth. If you rape a child, you should die. Our
> society should put groomers, rapists and kid fuckers to death as soon as
> possible. There was a time we did this, and it was usually done
> extra-judicially. We buried pederasts alive in swamps in wicker cages.
> Zero tolerance! This would cure most of the trauma-based mind control
> that the government uses to rule over the masses. The Catholic Church
> would collapse like a dodo bird, so people would be free from the
> religious trauma brainwashing as well.
>
> Anyone who defends a piece of bourgeois garbage like Richard Stallman is
> a sub-human stain with no spine. The sick fucker made comments in
> defense of child rape and grooming. That's not something that happens by
> accident.
>
> I'm all for curb-stomping every entitled bourgeois and illuminist poop
> stain that either preys on children, or enables such sickness to
> continue. Kill them all and let God sort 'em out.
>
> If you molest my kids, you will be getting killed. I would not report
> the rape to the police until after I get the pervert's confession and
> execution on video tape. Then I would turn myself and the tape in to the
> police in open court and dare them to charge me for killing the bastard.
>
> Death to chomos, rapos, and kid fuckers is the only way to go.
>

You seem a tad misogynistic, among other things.

--
Pete

Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:

> On 2023-02-22, Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>>
>>>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>>
>>> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>>> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>>> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>>> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
>>
>> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
>> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
>> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
>> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
>> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
>
> As an idealist trying to get by in the Real World, my compromise
> is to try to minimize my contact with Evil Monopolies (Microsoft,
> Google, etc.) while recognizing that I'll never be 100% successful.
> I set a high priority on giving those bastards as little as possible
> that might benefit them.
>
> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html

Thanks for reminding me to visit jwz.org.

Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image or animation.
I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
The variety of images and effects is just amazing.

--
Dan Espen

To: Dan Espen
-=> Dan Espen wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-

> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html

DE> Thanks for reminding me to visit jwz.org.

My fixation with green text on black background web sites started with
jwz's page - I think he started out on LiveJournal?

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"Kurt Weiske" <kurt.weiske@realitycheckbbs.org.remove-urq-this> writes:

> To: Dan Espen
> -=> Dan Espen wrote to alt.folklore.computers <=-
>
> > https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html
>
> DE> Thanks for reminding me to visit jwz.org.
>
> My fixation with green text on black background web sites started with
> jwz's page - I think he started out on LiveJournal?

Don't know, but I'm writing this reply in Emacs with a black background
and a chartreuse foreground.

--
Dan Espen

Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>
>> On 2023-02-22, Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>>>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>>>> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>>>> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>>>> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
>>>
>>> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
>>> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
>>> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
>>> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
>>> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
>>
>> As an idealist trying to get by in the Real World, my compromise
>> is to try to minimize my contact with Evil Monopolies (Microsoft,
>> Google, etc.) while recognizing that I'll never be 100% successful.
>> I set a high priority on giving those bastards as little as possible
>> that might benefit them.
>>
>> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html
>
>Thanks for reminding me to visit jwz.org.
>
>Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image or animation.
>I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
>The variety of images and effects is just amazing.

Personally, I'd rather put the monitor in power-saving mode.

scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>>Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> writes:
>>
>>> On 2023-02-22, Niklas Karlsson <nikke.karlsson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to the more moderate approach
>>>>>> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
>>>>> commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
>>>>> its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
>>>>> a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
>>>> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
>>>> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
>>>> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
>>>> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.
>>>
>>> As an idealist trying to get by in the Real World, my compromise
>>> is to try to minimize my contact with Evil Monopolies (Microsoft,
>>> Google, etc.) while recognizing that I'll never be 100% successful.
>>> I set a high priority on giving those bastards as little as possible
>>> that might benefit them.
>>>
>>> https://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/xscreensaver-windows.html
>>
>>Thanks for reminding me to visit jwz.org.
>>
>>Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image or animation.
>>I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
>>The variety of images and effects is just amazing.
>
> Personally, I'd rather put the monitor in power-saving mode.

A reasonable choice.

Even though I'm using a 27" 5K monitor, I don't think it's using much
power to stay on all night. The same with the RGB keyboard and mouse.
The USB C hubs bother me more.
So far I haven't found one that doesn't get quite warm.

--
Dan Espen

Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:

>>>
>>>Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image or animation.
>>>I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
>>>The variety of images and effects is just amazing.
>>
>> Personally, I'd rather put the monitor in power-saving mode.
>
>A reasonable choice.
>
>Even though I'm using a 27" 5K monitor, I don't think it's using much
>power to stay on all night. The same with the RGB keyboard and mouse.
>The USB C hubs bother me more.
>So far I haven't found one that doesn't get quite warm.

My monitors are older (2x 24" ASUS ProArt PA248), which claim
less than or equal to 45 watts when operating, so that's about 90 w for the two
monitors when on.

On 2023-02-23, Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:

> Dan Espen <dan1espen@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) writes:
>>
>>>
>>>> Every morning xscreensaver presents me with some new image
>>>> or animation. I have it kick in after a few hours of idle.
>>>> The variety of images and effects is just amazing.

Yup. Mine kicks in after 10 minutes. I like the way that
it puts up two separate animations on a two-monitor machine.

>>> Personally, I'd rather put the monitor in power-saving mode.
>>
>> A reasonable choice.
>>
>> Even though I'm using a 27" 5K monitor, I don't think it's using much
>> power to stay on all night. The same with the RGB keyboard and mouse.
>> The USB C hubs bother me more.
>> So far I haven't found one that doesn't get quite warm.
>
> My monitors are older (2x 24" ASUS ProArt PA248), which claim
> less than or equal to 45 watts when operating, so that's about
> 90 w for the two monitors when on.

I just switch my monitors off when I'm not using them,
although I leave the computer running so I can get at
it via the network if I wish (e.g. ssh -X from my laptop).

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\ / <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> | Apple is a cult.
X I'm really at ac.dekanfrus | Linux is anarchy.
/ \ if you read it the right way. | Pick your poison.

To: Dan Espen
Re: Re: Richard Stallman as Seen via the BBS Scene
By: Dan Espen to alt.folklore.computers on Thu Feb 23 2023 10:29 am

DE> Don't know, but I'm writing this reply in Emacs with a black background
DE> and a chartreuse foreground.

I once had a BBS sysop break into chat while I was dialed in and ask me about my color scheme on his BBS. Wanted to know what I was thinking...

It turned out, I had a Hercules "green-scale" monochrome monitor that showed several shades of green and had shaded it to look good on my monitor. I never did find out what it looked like on his end.

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On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:16:20 PM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> On 2023-02-21, Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:16 AM UTC-7, Niklas Karlsson wrote:
> >> As opposed to the more moderate approach
> >> taken by the BSD and MIT licenses, say.
> >
> > Ah, yes, then the software is no longer a virus that could contaminate
> > commercial software, imperiling the integrity of its copyright and
> > its proprietary nature. Instead, it can be used with abandon, thus making
> > a constructive contribution to programs like Microsoft Windows.
> I'm a little unsure of what tone to read your post in. Personally I
> don't much mind, say, Steve's example of BSD code being used in Windows.
> There was a time when I might have, but I'm too old and tired (even
> though I'm a mere whippersnapper by a.f.c standards) and jaded from
> having to get work done in the Real World to be that idealistic anymore.

There was a famous quote where somebody at Microsoft compared
the GNU license to a computer virus.

I was referencing that, not agreeing with the attitude.

John Savard